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Speaker 1: Very different line up this morning and joining me for

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Speaker 1: the COLP. Well, we've got Robin Carl, the incoming member

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you in the studio. Great to be

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Speaker 1: We've got labors Luke Gosling, the Member for Solomon and

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Speaker 1: also Special Envoy for Northern Australia and Veterans Affairs. I

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us this morning here. And

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Speaker 1: Justin Davis is on her way. She's just had a

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Speaker 1: producer of nine News Darwin, Kathleen Gazola, good morning to you.

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Speaker 1: What a morning it's set to be. It's a bit

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Speaker 1: of fun for me, a whole different lineup. I'm very excited.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have you know a bit look yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: fresh people in the studio. Freship for the listeners.

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Speaker 4: There's two journals on one side of the table.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I want to say a

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Speaker 1: shout out to Daniel and his friends who are just

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Speaker 1: morning and a big hello to them. They're very keen

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Speaker 1: Now the election, the people of the Northern Territory have

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Speaker 1: Two seats are still undecided Fanny Bay and Nightcliff. Nightcliff

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Speaker 1: Now people have had enough, they'd had enough of the

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Speaker 1: The people had spoken and I think my big message

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Speaker 3: It was a massive victory for the CLP.

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Speaker 6: Without question, and I think we were cautiously optimistic, but

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Speaker 6: The work that Clinton Howe had done clearly paid off.

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Speaker 7: Hi Katie, sorry I'm late.

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Speaker 1: Lovely to have you in here now, sure, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: congratulations yes, now, I mean, look, how are the Labor

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Speaker 3: It's going to be a massive rebuild now.

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate you joining us this morning because I

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Speaker 8: Let's not forget that in two thousand and sixteen the

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Speaker 4: Hurting. You know, there's that whole phase of.

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Speaker 4: But that's politics.

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Speaker 8: This is a pretty brutal game because it's the constituents

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Speaker 4: So I think it's.

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Speaker 8: Good for democracy that people have had had a choice, had.

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Speaker 8: And look, from my perspective, of course there's rebuilding to

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Speaker 1: Look, did they see it coming? I mean, do you

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Speaker 8: Think they saw the swing coming. I just don't think

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Speaker 1: And Justine, for you now, as an independent stepping in,

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Speaker 7: For me personally, I think it's pretty overwhelming. But I

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and Cat, I mean you and I

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Speaker 3: Really over the years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and it was on early.

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Speaker 9: We were waiting for a while for the NTec to

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Speaker 3: Very slow lows, and.

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Speaker 3: In fact, it probably happens more so when you're.

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Speaker 9: A long time ago, I had said in her concession speech.

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Speaker 1: Well, if you have just joined us this morning in

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Speaker 1: Robin Carl. We've got the member for Solomon, Luke Gosling.

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Speaker 1: and we've got Kathleen Gazola from nine News Darwin. Now,

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Speaker 1: it's been a big week for the incoming government. Of

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Speaker 1: course Leophano gros morning as the new chief Minister, the

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Speaker 1: the Deputy Jared Mayley's morning. Now.

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Speaker 3: They've both taken on a.

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Speaker 2: We have to support them, we have to retain them.

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Speaker 8: And that's maybe what you were hearing too with your

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Speaker 8: Let's not forget that curfews were put into place where

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, Katie, and thank you for raising that. And I

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Speaker 2: That's our real crisis.

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Speaker 3: We are seeing women being murdered.

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Speaker 6: That's why we have to absolutely go back to look

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Speaker 2: Why is this happening?

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Speaker 7: is get the best information we have.

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Speaker 1: We have.

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Speaker 7: We have all this research and data to say what

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Speaker 7: is that we need to do randomestic and family violence.

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Speaker 7: There is a plan about what needs to happen. I

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Speaker 7: heard that the Salpece committed.

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Speaker 2: We're absolutely committed to that.

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Speaker 6: One of the other things I think is really important

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Speaker 6: when we do have these situations of domestic violence where

451
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Speaker 6: the perpetrator or the alleged perpetrator is out on bail,

452
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Speaker 6: that we're going to have them electronically monitored. That doesn't

453
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Speaker 6: currently happen, and we also have to look at mandatory

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Speaker 6: offenses for those repeat offenders. We have to protect the victims.

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Speaker 6: And I think that one of the very strong messages

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Speaker 6: that I was getting in the community and you probably experience.

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Speaker 2: This as well.

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Speaker 6: Just seen is that victims felt that they were being

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Speaker 6: left behind.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely preventions big oa.

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Speaker 8: So the federal government gives the anti government a lot

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Speaker 8: of financial support for combating domestic family and sexual violence,

463
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Speaker 8: and obviously that will continue. It's a little bit frustrating

464
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Speaker 8: when you're here that needs based funding without saying exactly

465
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Speaker 8: what is me I heard it a lot, but can

466
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Speaker 8: I just put it on the record because I used

467
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Speaker 8: to have this conversation with the former anti labor government.

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Speaker 8: A lot is that it's not per capita funding to

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Speaker 8: the Northern Territory. In fact, it's thirteen times per capita.

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Speaker 3: So we're already receiving more.

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Speaker 8: Obviously we need it, yeah, but we just need to,

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Speaker 8: I think, not forget the important role of prevention. So

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Speaker 8: on the other end, it's too late when someone's out

474
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Speaker 8: on bail, a might you know, if the then t

475
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Speaker 8: government legislated, they might have an ankle bracelet on.

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Speaker 4: But by then there's just been so much damage done.

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Speaker 8: And when you look at the young people on the street,

478
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Speaker 8: not only have they been exposed to domestic family and

479
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Speaker 8: sexual violence, but they're probably victims of it themselves sometimes.

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Speaker 4: And that's why we about to do, so they're traumatized.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about young traumatized.

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Speaker 6: We have to actually get the workers in place, and

483
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Speaker 6: that's one of the things we're definitely hearing is a

484
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Speaker 6: lot of those agencies who are being tasked with dealing

485
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Speaker 6: with that just cannot get the workers that they need here,

486
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Speaker 6: and so that flows on to the make people know

487
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Speaker 6: that this is a place where it's so to live,

488
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Speaker 6: where it's a good place to come, and then you

489
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Speaker 6: just start to get this turn of the tide. You

490
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Speaker 6: get more people in place, you get the services being

491
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Speaker 6: able to deliver the services that they're there to deliver,

492
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Speaker 6: and suddenly you have a whole sense of change where

493
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Speaker 6: you can actually then build on the prevention cycles and

494
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Speaker 6: reduce the actual.

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Speaker 1: People with impact of that. Long term stuff absolutely needs

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Speaker 1: to happen. But I mean, when we're talking about a

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Speaker 1: situation like the one that was reported in the Australian,

498
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Speaker 1: like when we're at that real pointy end and we're

499
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Speaker 1: not able to get somebody to go out and do

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Speaker 1: a welfare check, surely we've got to look at doing

501
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Speaker 1: things a little bit differently. And if the police resources

502
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Speaker 1: are so incredibly tight at the moment, that there's other

503
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Speaker 1: priority jobs that are higher than that. Are there other

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Speaker 1: ways that we can make sure that somebody is able

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Speaker 1: to be checked on ie, Is there you know, another

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Speaker 1: department or other support services around because we can all

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Speaker 1: have a situation like this.

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Speaker 9: Again, well, I think that's a good point because we've

509
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Speaker 9: heard from the coronial inquest that the coroner has heard

510
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Speaker 9: had had conducted about the four women who were killed

511
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Speaker 9: due to domestic violence? Is that and we've heard this

512
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Speaker 9: so often across government that departments work in silos. You know,

513
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Speaker 9: the computer systems and the things don't all mesh together

514
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Speaker 9: that you would have thought, surely it seems common sense.

515
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Speaker 9: But you know, depending on processes and systems and all

516
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Speaker 9: the rest of it, that police get a report about

517
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Speaker 9: a woman that surely when it comes in, that comes

518
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Speaker 9: up with the domestic violence order for twenty years, that's

519
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Speaker 9: how much she had copped over that time that they

520
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Speaker 9: put that order in. And still it took that long

521
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Speaker 9: to be able to go and see that, which is

522
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Speaker 9: such a massive concern. I think the Commissioner has also

523
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Speaker 9: led the charge of a corresponder model in terms of

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Speaker 9: having territory families workers going along with police to domestic

525
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Speaker 9: violence call outs.

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Speaker 2: I think that question we have.

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Speaker 6: To do things differently. There has to be a better

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Speaker 6: utilization of resources. And one of the things that we're

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Speaker 6: certainly seeing where you talk about territory families who are

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Speaker 6: overwhelmed and primarily only have time to deal.

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Speaker 2: With the worst of the worst cases. We have to

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Speaker 2: look at why that is.

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Speaker 6: We have to go, Okay, these are the people who

534
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Speaker 6: are seeing it firsthand. Ideally and sensibly they would be

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Speaker 6: the people who could make that first contact. So we

536
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Speaker 6: have to really look at how those resources are being used.

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Speaker 2: And there has to be a better way to do it.

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Speaker 7: And as you said, Robin, we need to look at

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Speaker 7: and as Lek said, we need to look at the

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Speaker 7: long term causes. And I just wanted to say earlier

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Speaker 7: on when you were talking about alcohol, we absolutely have

542
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Speaker 7: to address the harm done by alcohol. But alcohol does

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Speaker 7: not cause violence. Alcohol exacerbates and it makes it worse.

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Speaker 7: There are many people who use alcohol who are not violent,

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Speaker 7: and I think we need to be really clear that

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Speaker 7: we don't mix those two things up.

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Speaker 6: I think when you have a child who has for

548
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Speaker 6: two previous generations seeing that's a normal relationship, that's where

549
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Speaker 6: your issues really start happening. So when you have the

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Speaker 6: child of the parent who's the child of the grandparent

551
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Speaker 6: and that's normal to them, that's how you deal with

552
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Speaker 6: your life situation. That's the thing that we have to

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Speaker 6: look at changing.

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Speaker 4: Can I just make a quick point about workforce.

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Speaker 8: We've got some issues, like there's funding there for more

556
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Speaker 8: frontline workers in domestic family and sexual violence.

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Speaker 4: It's really tough work.

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Speaker 8: What we've done federally, not saying this is a massive thing,

559
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Speaker 8: but we're trying to support people so that when they're

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Speaker 8: doing their training as a social worker, for example, they're

561
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Speaker 8: now going to get paid placements. But whereas before it was,

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Speaker 8: you know, it's not paid as much as other roles,

563
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Speaker 8: and it's really stressful. So we need to support those

564
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Speaker 8: workers more and really focus on recruiting. I think like

565
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Speaker 8: this is really important life saving work, and really support

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Speaker 8: the people who put their hands up to do that work.

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Speaker 7: And one of the things I'd say round that frontline

568
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Speaker 7: service work, it's wonderful about the commitment to implementing that

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Speaker 7: one hundred and eighty million dollars. There needs to be

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Speaker 7: a long term, ongoing commitment because we all know any

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Speaker 7: of us who've done any of this kind of work

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Speaker 7: that having short term funding commitments for running services just

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Speaker 7: does not work.

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Speaker 6: One of my frustrations having worked in health has always

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Speaker 6: been you do the pilot project that's exceptionally successful and

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Speaker 6: it gets defunded and the project that doesn't work. The

577
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Speaker 6: money keeps getting thrown at it because we're going to

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Speaker 6: make it work. So I think we have to switch

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Speaker 6: that narrative and go this works, we need to keep

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Speaker 6: it going.

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Speaker 2: Yep, this isn't working. We need to rethink it.

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Speaker 6: And I think that's just very fundamental common sense and

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Speaker 6: I know often that's lacking in a lot of bureaucratic

584
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Speaker 6: processes from my own personal experience, but it's you know,

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Speaker 6: it's something we actually have to buite.

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Speaker 2: The bullet and do.

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Speaker 5: The week that was the most listened to our in territory.

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Speaker 1: Radio, well it is to stay eight minutes away from

589
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Speaker 1: ten o'clock, getting a few messages people saying how lovely

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Speaker 1: to listen to the show this morning and very respectful discussion.

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Speaker 3: Look, it's still very early days of.

592
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Speaker 1: The new the new makeup of the parliament, so we'll

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. But look, I do want to

594
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Speaker 1: discuss the fact that we know. The Law Society of

595
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory say that they are deeply concerned it

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Speaker 1: moves by the newly elected Northern Territory government to wind

597
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Speaker 1: back the age of criminal responsibility to ten. So the

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Speaker 1: society's president has come out and said this comes at

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Speaker 1: a time when other Australian jurisdictions are considering policy reforms

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Speaker 1: which will raise the age and as such the society

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Speaker 1: strongly urges the government to reconsider this step. I mean,

602
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Speaker 1: the thing is, though the Seal, the incoming CLP government

603
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Speaker 1: certainly had a mandate of the different changes that they

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Speaker 1: were going to make when it comes to dealing with

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Speaker 1: the issues of crime, and people voted for you guys

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Speaker 1: on a large majority, so.

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Speaker 3: You would have to assume that.

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Speaker 1: People were supportive of those different changes that are looking

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Speaker 1: to be introduced.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Katie, And I think the thing we have

611
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Speaker 6: to take a minute to step back from is this

612
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Speaker 6: jurisdiction is not the East Coast of Australia and it's

613
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Speaker 6: not the West Coast of Australia. And I think the

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Speaker 6: other thing we have to focus on is we're not

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Speaker 6: actually talking about luring it so we can throw kids

616
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Speaker 6: in jail. We're actually talking about luring it in response

617
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Speaker 6: to advice and feedback that we've had from police from

618
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Speaker 6: other groups saying we cannot access these kids, we cannot

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Speaker 6: do anything to help them if the only thing that

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Speaker 6: we're able to do is take them back to that

621
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Speaker 6: mythical responsible adult, which I still haven't.

622
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Speaker 2: Been able to find out what that actually means.

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Speaker 6: And so it really is about making sure that we

624
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Speaker 6: can take those kids somewhere where they're safe, where we

625
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Speaker 6: can actually get them fed, clothed, get them back into school,

626
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Speaker 6: get them to a place where they are learning what

627
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Speaker 6: it's like to be in a home where there are

628
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Speaker 6: cuddles and consequences, because that's how we raise our kids.

629
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Speaker 6: We go you do this, this is the consequence, and

630
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Speaker 6: you do this. Oh my god, you've done so well.

631
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Speaker 6: We're going to give you a cuddle. So these are

632
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Speaker 6: kids who are, as we were just saying, haven't seen that.

633
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Speaker 6: They haven't been brought up that way. They don't have

634
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Speaker 6: the privilege that I had, or that you had in

635
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Speaker 6: being raised in a family that said here's the line

636
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Speaker 6: in the sand. Do not go past that, because if

637
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Speaker 6: you do, you're not going to have your TV you're

638
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Speaker 6: not going to have this, You're not going to have

639
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Speaker 6: something else.

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Speaker 2: So basically been abandoned.

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Speaker 6: And I do not want to be one of the

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Speaker 6: politicians in ten years time where people say you disabandon

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Speaker 6: these children. I don't want to have that label thrown

644
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Speaker 6: at me. I actually want to see with our team

645
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Speaker 6: members that we actually do something positive.

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Speaker 9: And that consequences word is the big thing that I

647
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Speaker 9: know a lot of people that we've interviewed and who

648
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Speaker 9: have called up to your show. Yeah, I wanted to

649
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Speaker 9: see No everyone agrees that no one wants to see

650
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Speaker 9: ten year olds locked up in don Dale and that's

651
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Speaker 9: the last resort. But you know, the Labor government had

652
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Speaker 9: promised to increase the age when those programs were in

653
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Speaker 9: place to be able to deal with that younger Cohort

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Speaker 9: and I don't know about UK. I'm pretty sure much

655
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Speaker 9: the same of what we got. Whenever we ask territory

656
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Speaker 9: families all the minister what those programs were, give us

657
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Speaker 9: an example how it works, we couldn't get that information.

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Speaker 1: Which makes it really hard then to sort of to

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Speaker 1: look at what's potentially successful or what is potentially going

660
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Speaker 1: well or what's not going well. When you're really not

661
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Speaker 1: getting any of that information, and then you're sort of

662
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Speaker 1: getting behind the scenes detail from maybe people that are

663
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Speaker 1: you know, that are working in those remand centers and

664
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Speaker 1: and things like that, that are saying to look, you know,

665
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: there's there's no real change for these kids because there

666
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: aren't programs that they're able to get stuck into.

667
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 6: Ores can't even make those kids go to school. It's

668
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 6: that it's a position that has no authority, no power.

669
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 6: So in the very first instance, if you can get

670
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 6: those kids who are roaming around during school hours back

671
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 6: into the school system and act show them what it

672
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 6: means to have someone take an interest in I'm sure

673
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 6: you've all had the school teacher that changed your life.

674
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 6: The one who was such an influence on your mine

675
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 6: was missus Brandon. She was my English teacher back in

676
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 6: year nine, and she made going to school great and

677
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 6: I felt like she cared about me and it made

678
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 6: me work a little bit harder. These kids don't have

679
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 6: that happening for them right now, and we really need

680
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 6: to change that.

681
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think, I mean, I think absolutely everyone

682
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 7: and everyone I spoke to obviously everyone, you know, there's

683
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 7: this clear mandate that we need to be doing something

684
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 7: about this. I don't think that translates to this idea

685
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 7: of lowering the age of criminal responsibility. I think that's

686
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 7: that's mixing up two things.

687
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: I really hear.

688
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 7: What you say, Robin, and what I've heard other people

689
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 7: in the colp stay about this is this is the

690
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 7: only way we can actually meet the needs.

691
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: Well, this is the way we started this, that's the

692
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: way we start.

693
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, I think before my view is before we

694
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 7: do anything like that, we need to actually look at

695
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 7: what's going to work. There is no evidence that I

696
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 7: have seen anywhere that lowering the age of criminal responsibility

697
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 7: is going to make any of us more safe. In fact,

698
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 7: it's going to do harm as opposed to helping the

699
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 7: young people. And I think before we do that, as

700
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 7: a law society is calling for, we need to get

701
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 7: proper evidence. We need to have an inquiry. We need

702
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 7: to look at it was only a year ago that

703
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 7: they changed, their age was changed. What's happened in that year?

704
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 7: Where's the evaluations of what?

705
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 6: Well, nothing's happened because the basic simple things that they

706
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 6: said they were going to do to a deal with

707
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 6: those kids never happen.

708
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: So you make the change.

709
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 6: When you've got the alternative in place, and you don't

710
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 6: make the change before you've got the alternative in place.

711
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 6: And you know, I struggle to think it's okay to

712
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 6: live in a community where our alcohol gets locked up,

713
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 6: where you can't even buy an aerosol deodorant. I can't

714
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 6: even buy vanilla essence off the shelf in the supermarket.

715
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: That is not normal. That is not normal.

716
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 6: And so we actually have to find a way to

717
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 6: get those kids to his place where they they're not

718
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 6: doing that, they're not looking for that.

719
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: There's got to be rules and regulations in place that

720
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: people have to know right from wrong. Luke seabusting to

721
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: say something. I'm not getting a word in there with us, sorry, mate.

722
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 8: I think the lowering the age thing the ten was

723
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 8: just to differentiate themselves during their campaign. I don't think

724
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 8: it's based on expert advice.

725
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 3: It may not be, but the community voter for the Seals.

726
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: Are expert than who is.

727
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 8: So there's a lot of experts that would say that

728
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 8: you're basically setting up very young children for a life

729
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 8: within a system. So that's there, that's their life mapped out.

730
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 8: They have just some time in the place formerly known

731
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Speaker 8: as don Dale and graduate on to Holtz and that

732
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 8: is that's not a recipe for success. Some other jurisdictions

733
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 8: have gone to fourteen, which territorians obviously do not want

734
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 8: and intuitively know is not the Casely, what Justine s

735
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 8: makes a lot of sense, Like, you know, are the

736
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 8: experts saying, no, we definitely need to put ten year

737
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 8: old kids into detention.

738
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: I challenge that we're not actually talking about doing that.

739
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: But Wally struggle with, like with this whole discussion, is that,

740
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: you know, nobody can actually give me an example of

741
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 1: a program that a ten year old has done that's worked.

742
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 7: And in the Northern Territory, well.

743
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: A luck when we on the show under yeah, like

744
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: under different in the Northern Territory, nobody can actually show

745
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: me or has has been able to demonstrate what has worked.

746
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: And the other thing that that always sort of you know,

747
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: that always sparks my attention is is we've built a

748
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: whole new detention center that is supposed to be appropriate

749
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: and built to reform young people. So and still and

750
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: still with those programs that are though supposed to be

751
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: helping these young kids. So you know, whether they're sixteen,

752
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: whether they're thirteen or whether they're ten, if that's the

753
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: intention of that facility, does it matter what age they are,

754
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: If we're actually looking after them properly and you're delivering

755
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: programs in.

756
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: There, is it actually a gap?

757
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 4: Right? We definitely needed it.

758
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 8: I've mean, I went out to don Dale several times

759
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 8: at the old barhamasite and it's just shocking, you know,

760
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 8: an old Yeah, it's just wasn't right. So it's good

761
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 8: that we've got this new facility. Everyone's really keen to

762
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 8: see it open, but also keener to hear about what

763
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 8: sort of programs they're going to be running here, what

764
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 8: if they are good ones.

765
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: Side, there's not a situation where it you know, where

766
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: if a child and if it's going to help them

767
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: get on track, wouldn't it be a good thing.

768
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 8: One of the things federally my number one priority was

769
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 8: the funding of a youth engagement hub for the Northern

770
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 8: suburbs and I think that's that prevention piece again, that's

771
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 8: picking up the kid that have got concerns, like identifying them,

772
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 8: getting them some mentoring support, but working with the families

773
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 8: as well. You can't do anything with a child if

774
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 8: you're not also working with the family, because eventually that

775
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 8: is the environment that the child will go back into.

776
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 4: So it's got to be more holistic.

777
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 8: Trust me, it's been as frustrating for me as for

778
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 8: anyone else that there hasn't been these other options. Like

779
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 8: people used to always say to me, Look, we need

780
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 8: to go back to the wild Man River idea. We

781
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 8: need to have opportunities for these kids to get out

782
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 8: into an environment where they can be really worked with

783
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 8: and cared for, and I think there's been a real

784
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 8: lack of those options.

785
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 6: And to do that you have to have a legislative

786
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 6: structure that says you can actually intervene, and clearly at

787
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 6: the moment we don't because we're seeing the consequences of

788
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 6: these kids being abandoned because that's what we've done. So

789
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 6: I think one of the things that's really important that

790
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 6: we've taken on very critically is we're doing significant consultation

791
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 6: with indigenous mentors.

792
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: We're actually listening.

793
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 6: To them, and to be honest with you, they are

794
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 6: really fierce and have a far stronger view about what

795
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 6: we should be doing with these kids than we've actually

796
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 6: talked about. So I think we need to understand and

797
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 6: realize that there is a breadth of views out there,

798
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 6: but we have to have a starting point and for

799
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 6: the COLP government and for the community who have overwhelmingly

800
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 6: supported what we said, we're going to do that is

801
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 6: to actually create a point in time where we can

802
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 6: start working with kids younger, because the younger you can

803
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 6: get to them, the betterer chances are of changing things.

804
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 7: Absolutely, but I think we don't do that by criminalizing children.

805
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 7: And a ten year old is not a mini adult.

806
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 7: They're a ten year old child. And we all know

807
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 7: that these children are children who are survivors of great

808
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 7: trauma most of the time.

809
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: And I totally agree with I.

810
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Speaker 7: Think when we talk about consequences, that's the language people use.

811
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 7: Actually what we need to be talking about is accountability.

812
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 7: And absolutely people need to be accountable for accountability, for

813
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 7: parents certainly, accountability and also for young people. And people

814
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 7: become accountable when they understand the impact of what they've

815
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 7: done and there's a pathway forward to change it.

816
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: And there's a consequence for their actions, absolutely that they

817
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: are part of designing.

818
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 7: So a lot of the work that I've been involved

819
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 7: in around reservative justice actually does that. There are things

820
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 7: that we know can work. As you're talking about there

821
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 7: are people on community, there are Aboriginal leaders who are

822
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 7: doing this work now and if if we're properly supported,

823
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 7: it could keep happening and could make a huge difference

824
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 7: right away.

825
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 1: That's just about it for us this morning, our first

826
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: week that was with the new members of parliament yet

827
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Speaker 1: to be sort of what do they do?

828
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: Do they induct you?

829
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: What we get to go to MLA school? How long

830
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: does that take a couple of days?

831
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Speaker 6: We're all looking that's I'm not quite sure what to expect,

832
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 6: but it'll be fun.

833
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

834
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Speaker 7: One of the things, one of the things on the

835
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 7: agenda is what is the point of parliament? So I'm

836
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 7: looking forward to keep your spirits up because.

837
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 4: To do some good.

838
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: Well, look, it has been wonderful to have you all in.

839
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Speaker 1: Before we wrap up, I mean, we are still expecting

840
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: the ministry to be announced. I think on Tuesday, is

841
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: that right, Kathleen or Tuesday?

842
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was early next week. But were you tipping

843
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: for different jobs there.

844
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: Might be a ministry maybe in this room.

845
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: America, a lot of people would assume.

846
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,760
Speaker 6: So you know what people to make.

847
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 1: True.

848
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Speaker 9: But yes, given the size of the COLP team, I

849
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 9: reckon you know, they would have been a little bit

850
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 9: worried of just how big, because that never bodes well

851
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 9: for a parliamentary team when it's hard does potentially seventeen seats.

852
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 9: We saw Michael Gunner had to revert to assistant ministries

853
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 9: and yeah, I think that really.

854
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: Worked out too well, for it's hard trying to keep

855
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: everybody happy and in control and in line.

856
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: Isn't it a.

857
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 4: Big restless backbench? Yeah, we'll it'll be really interesting.

858
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 8: I'm really interested in seeing who comes to Broom with

859
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 8: us next week for the North Australian Minister's meeting. So

860
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 8: we've got several federal ministers coming to speak with ministers

861
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 8: from wa, NT and Queensland just about how we can

862
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 8: work better together and make the most of this massive

863
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 8: defense investment in Northern Australia for example, but also all

864
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 8: the other investments that are going on through the NAVE.

865
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Speaker 1: So hoping to have a Minister for Northern Australia by

866
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Speaker 1: them what day as in here locally?

867
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so the meeting is Wednesday in Broom.

868
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: A wonderful no by him.

869
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Speaker 8: Might be the Chief might be Jared, who knows, but yeah,

870
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 8: be interesting to see.

871
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 3: Robin just might go.

872
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 8: Can I quickly point out just a little bit of

873
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 8: federal news is that we inherited from Scott Morrison and

874
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 8: the Coalition six point one percent in this month. We're

875
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 8: down to three point five, so it's really we're driving

876
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 8: it down as well as providing text cuts and energy

877
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 8: bill relief and so forth, so that bodes well. Keeps

878
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 8: tracking this way for interest rate cuts from the Reserve.

879
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: Bank, sounds like an election pitch.

880
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 4: We're heading in the right direction.

881
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 6: But you know, we had a message loud and clear

882
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 6: about cost of living here in the Northern Territory, so

883
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 6: whilst that might have been empty based, federal still impacted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well look we are going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 1: It's lovely to have you all in the studio this morning.

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Speaker 1: Robin Carl the incoming member for the COLP for Port Darwin,

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Speaker 1: lovely to.

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Speaker 2: Have you in here. Great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Katie Luke Gosling, the Member for Solomon, the Federal Member

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Speaker 1: for Solomon also Special Envoy for Northern Australia Veterans Affairs

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Speaker 1: and Defense.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Katie.

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Speaker 1: Justine Davis, the incoming Independent Member for Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Lovely to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thanks Katie, and of course Kathleen Gazola on

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Speaker 1: her day off, the executive producer of nine years, Darwin,

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time,