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Speaker 1: Podcasting.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you've written a great article.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: It's called it's on the topic of mentally managing isolation.

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Speaker 2: And you come from a place of historically or sorry,

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Speaker 2: historically and currently experiencing mental health depression. So coming from

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Speaker 2: from that place, I think it's really interesting to hear

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Speaker 2: from your perspective how people should be dealing with isolation.

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Speaker 2: And I just wanted to you know, if you do

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Speaker 2: a bio there, which is the best way to get it.

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Speaker 2: If you don't have Instagram, you can go to Willing

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Speaker 2: Weary dot com and it should.

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Speaker 3: Pop up for you there, or just scroll down to

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but one of the.

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Speaker 2: Things that I've taken from it, you know a lot

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Speaker 2: of other people are is trying.

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Speaker 1: To structure your time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have so much time on your hands, and

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Speaker 2: I think when people lose structure, you know, you can

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Speaker 2: lose yourself a little bit. And you've yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: you go on because you when you read the article, I.

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Speaker 1: Was enjoyed spis Yes, I yeah.

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Speaker 3: The quote I use is actually from a book that

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Speaker 3: I'm sure if you look in terms of filling your

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Speaker 3: time in isolation, go and get yourself a copy of

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Speaker 3: Boy Swallows Universe. I'm sure a lot of people that

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Speaker 3: are listening probably have read. It's written my guy called

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Speaker 3: Trent Dalton as an Aussie journalist, and the quotes from

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Speaker 3: a character in the book. I'm not giving anything away,

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Speaker 3: but he's the guy in the books, this guy called Slim,

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Speaker 3: and he was a convicted felon. He was in a

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Speaker 3: high security prison for ages in Brisbane. And the line

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Speaker 3: that he uses for his time in isolation in prison

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Speaker 3: is do your time before it does you.

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Speaker 1: And that really.

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Speaker 3: Struck a chord with me, and I feel like that's

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Speaker 3: kind of the situation that all of us are in

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Speaker 3: right now. We're in this situation where we are isolated,

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Speaker 3: and your relationship with time starts to change as soon

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Speaker 3: as you are enforced isolation. And I want to and

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Speaker 3: just to give you an analogy about that. If you

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Speaker 3: think about back to the days when we could all

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Speaker 3: hang out together. If you if your friend's all caught

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Speaker 3: up and you found out that they caught up without

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Speaker 3: letting you know, the time that you then have to

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Speaker 3: yourself is a burden.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. The time feels like ages. It's torturous.

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Speaker 3: However, if you find out that all your mates are

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Speaker 3: catching up, but you choose not to catch up with

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Speaker 3: them because you want to spend some time by yourself,

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, that time is very precious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even though the situation is exactly the same.

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Speaker 3: Exactly all right, it's still exactly the same amount of time.

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Speaker 3: It's just about how you approach that time. And it's

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Speaker 3: objectively as I said, it is exactly the.

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Speaker 1: Same amount of time.

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Speaker 3: And you know, if you think about, hey, I choose

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Speaker 3: myself and I can do some DII projects, all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, the time that we've got to ourselves is

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Speaker 3: really really precious. So it's just about trying to change

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Speaker 3: your approach to the time that you've got so that

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Speaker 3: as more more of an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And what I do within the article, again, there's a link.

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Speaker 3: In our bio on willanoo you're on Instagram or if

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Speaker 3: youve got a willamwoodo dot com. I talk about how

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Speaker 3: to fill the time and how to to how to

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Speaker 3: so that it actually does appear to be an opportunity as.

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Speaker 1: Opposed to a burden. Yeah, I'll tell you. Look, why

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Speaker 3: To a song and I can explain a little bit

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Speaker 2: You've got this table which I know a number of

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Speaker 1: And I've got a few questions about it.

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Speaker 3: Podcasting now doing your time before it does you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an article you've written about mentally managing isolation.

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Speaker 2: And again, just to give a backstory about you, mate,

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Speaker 2: you do experience depression and you do talk about it

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Speaker 2: that you do talk about a lots. I know it

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Speaker 2: helps a lot of people hearing that. But in this

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Speaker 2: particular article you've talked about, you know, structuring your day

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Speaker 1: So much time. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: As I said, I've borrowed from Boyce Swallow's Universe, which

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Speaker 3: is a ripping novel which, as.

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Speaker 1: I said, if you want to feel some time.

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Speaker 3: Read that Trent Dalton, and there's a quote in there

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Speaker 3: which they's do your time before it does you and

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Speaker 3: he's talking about an ex con who's worked lived in

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Speaker 3: changing your attitude towards the time that we've got, and

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Speaker 2: And because we're being forced or the idea in our

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Speaker 1: To stay home. That's right.

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Speaker 3: And I think that your mind is really really easily manipulated,

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Speaker 3: and if you tell yourself something, then you will start

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Speaker 1: But you can also use it to your advantage.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of where what we were talking about

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Speaker 3: But also you're achieving things.

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Speaker 2: So that's the table, isn't it. On one side the table,

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Speaker 2: you've got enjoyment. On the other side of the table,

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Speaker 2: you've got achievement. So and you're saying that you can

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Speaker 2: actually look at your day and go, Okay, what are

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Speaker 2: So it could be watch a TV show, give myself a.

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Speaker 1: Foot rub I don't know why. I've obviously been doing

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Speaker 2: But on the achievement side, that's what you achieved, saying,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, do your taxes?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, my life and taxes around there.

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Speaker 3: And and if you look, if you're on the link

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Speaker 1: Your life doesn't really matter. As long as you.

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Speaker 3: Tell yourself, hey, right now I'm enjoying this, and right

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Speaker 2: There's no way I could go like achievement, eat a

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Speaker 3: and then naturally afterwards we seek enjoyment, whether that is

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Speaker 3: So for workaholics like me, I get way too obsessed

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Speaker 1: Me to preach. Brother, I look at things and I go.

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Speaker 3: Right, I've got to do that, And by the end

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Speaker 2: I can't ever feel like you're talking about me right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm talking about a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But the reality is I think that renunciations often

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Speaker 3: And it's a really hard thing to come by to

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Speaker 3: tell yourself, hey, I've worked too much or I've enjoyed

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Speaker 3: achievement and even give yourself a bit of timing, like say, hey,

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Speaker 3: my achievement. After that, I'm going to make myself pancakes.

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Speaker 1: That's enjoyment. I'll do that for half now, I.

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Speaker 2: Think making pancakes will be an achievement.

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Speaker 3: Well, as I said, it's horses for courses, and I

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Speaker 3: really wish you'd stop poke holes in that.

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Speaker 1: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Look the articles on Instagram, Will and Woody, the links

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Speaker 3: in our bio. I'm hearing that a lot of people

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Speaker 3: just a real joy to hear from the person that

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Speaker 1: So I'm really glad.

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Speaker 3: That people are getting something out of it. That's the

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Speaker 3: ambulance someone's overachieving. And yeah, look, yeah, I'm glad people

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Speaker 3: are getting something out of it. And yeah, as I said, Instagram,

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Speaker 3: Will and Woody in the link in the bio there,

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Speaker 3: And I hope it helps you guys.

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Speaker 1: See what you're hearing.

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Speaker 3: Find us on Instagram and Facebook search Will and Woody