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Speaker 1: Nest for details and joining us in the studio Dave Tolna,

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Speaker 1: good morning.

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Speaker 3: Oh great, great to be with you, Katie. I'm glad

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Speaker 3: you didn't introduce me his big days. I'll keep trying

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Speaker 3: to tell people on normal size. Else around me is

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Speaker 3: a runt.

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Speaker 1: That's a true story of my family because my brothers

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Speaker 1: are very big. And then on the runt of the family,

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Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. And then we've also got

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Speaker 1: Maddie Hepworth in the studio with us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Maddie.

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Speaker 3: They lose here, hang.

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Speaker 2: On, let's make sure we got the right microphone on

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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 4: The big question is where's Hale?

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Speaker 2: Well, Simon.

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Speaker 1: Damian Hale is meant to be back this week, but

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Speaker 1: as we know, he's been in Australia with his with

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Speaker 1: back but he's put himself into self isolation until his

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Speaker 1: COVID test comes back because he wants to be extra safe,

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Speaker 1: so making sure he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't.

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Speaker 1: There's no suggestion in any way, shape or form that

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Speaker 3: But he's got the mask on just to be careful, sorry,

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Speaker 3: the marks.

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Speaker 1: To be honest safe today and he wasn't coming in.

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, Damian Hale, if you're out

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Speaker 1: there listening, feel free to call through to us and.

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Speaker 2: Good one day, good one. Now let's talk firstly about

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Speaker 1: Unfolding situation in Alice Springs or in Well with the

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Speaker 1: been in Essay when it was declared a hot spot

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Speaker 5: It's only one hundred and fifty beds and the facilities

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Speaker 5: is what it's been reported this morning, and the Alice

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Speaker 4: But of course, yeah, the.

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Speaker 5: Bird hit the plane that came back and then it

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Speaker 5: kind of left those passengers in limbo and there obviously,

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Speaker 5: as you mentioned, Katie, spread across hotels now. But the

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Speaker 5: big issue was that some of the hotels that would

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Speaker 5: well they were neegged on that deal at the last minute.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I kind of I think to myself, though,

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Speaker 1: fair enough for some of those for some of those hotels,

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Speaker 2: Hotels and also people home isolating? Yes, So to me,

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Speaker 1: Concern and I would say the biggest concern here is

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Speaker 3: Will happen in a blink of an eye. It's just amazing,

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Speaker 1: So I know that a list of Adelaide hotspots is

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Speaker 3: a crime wave. Well, I mean it's not a really

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Speaker 5: Come back to your point in the kadie about the

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Speaker 5: He was so quickly after these seventeen cases were declared. Now,

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Speaker 5: what it was. But once again it's proved how disjointed

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Speaker 3: They were closed to see US Australia closed to Adelaide

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Speaker 1: To what the Health Minister Greg Hunt said earlier this morning.

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Speaker 1: So the Health Minister urged other states to take a

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Speaker 1: very clear, there's a national hotspot definition. South Australia has

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Speaker 2: Border screening so that they're looking for symptoms.

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Speaker 1: They're looking for anybody who may have been in close contact,

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Speaker 1: but they're allowing people to travel. Other states may choose

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I've just tried to find because it's like, what

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Speaker 5: is the definition. I I'm going to call it a

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Speaker 5: This equates to thirty cases in three consecutive days, so,

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Speaker 5: you know, seventeen cases in one day. It looked like Adelaide,

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Speaker 3: No, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so we're expecting South Australia. There's going to

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Speaker 3: Well, I think we're going to have to. I mean,

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Speaker 4: To Adelaide in a little while.

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Speaker 1: He's been trying on several occasions Dage to go on holidays.

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Speaker 4: Back in March, I was in Melbourne.

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Speaker 5: I was supposed to go from Melbourne to Adelaide back

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Speaker 4: Sorry, mate, I'm on zero at the moment.

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Speaker 3: He's not that trying. I'm sure your teacher, Katie said

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Speaker 1: Do you know what my teacher used to say, you

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Speaker 1: talk too much and you influence others. Dear, there's never

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Speaker 2: Now, Dave, you wanted to tell us about these bots?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well a great article in The Australian Today,

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Speaker 3: the fake and the furious Rudd's Bangladeshi bots. Now you

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Speaker 3: might be aware of, you know, Kevin Rudd's petition that

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Speaker 3: he's got going for. He's chasing a Royal commission into

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Speaker 3: media ownership and he's particularly he's particularly targeting Rupert Murdoch.

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Speaker 3: He's a bit screwed up over the way Rupert you know,

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Speaker 3: employs journalists I suppose, and he you know, he's got

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Speaker 3: a good idea to piss off Rupert Murdoch. To put it,

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Speaker 3: very Ave had a couple of their journalists doing an

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Speaker 3: investigation into mister Rudd's petition. I found that there's over

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Speaker 3: a thousand names on the petition that are fake names

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Speaker 3: and some of them have been generated by bots overseas,

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Speaker 3: This sucks wow. And you know that many of those

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Speaker 1: But this is the thing you've got to make sure

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Speaker 3: Well, you don't mean they're in actual fact I employed.

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Speaker 3: In this case, people were employed overseas to fake details

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Speaker 2: And then you think, well, what's the point.

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Speaker 3: What is the point?

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Speaker 3: So fundamentally that fundamentally, madly, Maddie the bitch is about

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Speaker 3: it's all the fault of News Limited for not scaring

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm very much of the view there's a

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Speaker 3: I get it. You know, this this petition that Kevin

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Speaker 1: And you could argue the same the other way too,

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Speaker 3: Argue the same the other way that the difference is

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Speaker 2: Mean there are national broadcaster.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously, you know, it's their duty to be as

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Speaker 3: Harder and harder and harder to find where they're unbiased.

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Speaker 1: Serviously, that's your you know, that's your opinion, and you're

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Speaker 3: To time I want.

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Speaker 1: But look on that very important No, I do actually

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Speaker 3: For the state. I think it's on Australian to be

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Speaker 4: What about a State of Origin party?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's part of it.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of footy viewer of you. Because I'm the

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Speaker 3: I got to admit I shut it down about three

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Speaker 2: It was a pretty ordinary game, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: The first one was a thriller.

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Speaker 2: What fantastic is he recovered?

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Speaker 3: I think? I think so?

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Speaker 2: I think just googling.

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Speaker 3: Monster, Oh yeah, Cameron, Monster's still out.

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Speaker 1: Well. I was trying to find out whether he's back on,

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Speaker 5: Draw back to your original point where we were before

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Speaker 5: about media bias.

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Speaker 3: What is this?

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Speaker 5: Two out of three Queensland is sitting in this studio

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Speaker 3: There's nothing wrong with being right. I said that in

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, I think and Hale is a Queensland

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Speaker 3: It's pretty rare that he's writing it.

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Speaker 1: The other night because he was watching the Female State

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Speaker 1: and smashed it. Anyway, we'll be all excited for the

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Speaker 2: We can unfortunately great to be to be with Maddy.

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Speaker 3: What a champion blake he is.

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Speaker 1: He steps in and then he's going to step back out,

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Speaker 1: read the news.

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Speaker 3: A wedding plan. You might have to get him any

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Speaker 3: here a bit more often my wedding.

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Speaker 4: I just want to clarify that.

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Speaker 3: You want to be at the party party, Yes, what

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Speaker 4: I'll be there in ten days.

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Speaker 2: To put the pressure on the gallery recond.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's the nature of this station. You're always

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Speaker 2: We love a party, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 4: MESSI into media parties.

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Speaker 3: Alright.

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Speaker 1: Dave Cholma and Maddie Hepworth always good to catch up

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Speaker 1: with you both for the big issues and I.

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Speaker 2: Think Damien Hale is going to be back next week.

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Speaker 4: Come off, We'll wait.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to Mix one or four point nine.

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Speaker 2: It is the big issues.