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Speaker 1: Three sixties, the week that was the most listened to

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Speaker 1: hour in Territory Radio.

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Speaker 2: The Territory Leaders break down this week's big issues.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's take a look at the weather. Firstly this

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Speaker 3: morning and partly cloudy, medium chance of showers today. We're

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Speaker 3: heading for thirty four in the city, thirty six in

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Speaker 3: the rural area and mostly sunny and thirty six degrees

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Speaker 3: in Catherine. The top ends tied times in an outboard

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Speaker 3: marine's Darwin time of Quintrex bar Crusher, Stabbycraft, Premium Alloy

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Speaker 3: boats and world leading Yamaha outboards. Today we're expecting a

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Speaker 3: low tide of three point eight meters at eleven fifteen

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Speaker 3: this morning in Darwin. Right now, already on twenty nine degrees,

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Speaker 3: it's twenty nine in the rural area, and it's twenty

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Speaker 3: seven degrees in Catherine.

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Speaker 4: And it is Friday morning. It is time for the

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Speaker 4: week that was.

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Speaker 3: And joining us in the studio today is the Opposition

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Speaker 3: leader Leafanocchiaro.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, have you Friay.

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Speaker 3: It's great to have you in here. We've got Robin

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Speaker 3: Lamley all the way here from Alice Springs, the member

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Speaker 3: for Aarra Lou and good morning, Good morning Katie, and

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Speaker 3: we've got Matt Cunningham, Sky News, Darwin's bureau chief, Good

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Speaker 3: morning to your mate.

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Speaker 4: And we've got Natasha Files, the Health Minister. Good morning

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Speaker 4: to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning and well, firstly, I want to shout out

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Speaker 3: to Alice Springs because we know that their ultimate festival

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Speaker 3: of Wheels, the Red Center, just kicking off this morning.

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Speaker 5: Is it your thunder Robin, I let you go.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm I've entered my pride and joy Katie, my

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four f J Holden Panel van.

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Speaker 5: And it's pretty spectacular.

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Speaker 1: My family for longer than me, kay, FJ Panel van

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Speaker 1: and the conditions you just continue to get a prize good,

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Speaker 1: warm and fuzzy when I talk about it.

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Speaker 3: That's so awesome. So so what exactly will the van be?

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Speaker 3: What's it nominated here?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll just go on the parade on

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Speaker 1: Saturday and have fun and hang out with all our

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Speaker 1: Redheads and car club friends. Just enjoy the festivities. It's

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Speaker 1: a great weekend. And Alice fred I've got an eh

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Speaker 1: hold Yeah, I'm a bit of a Holden girl.

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Speaker 4: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy is the FJ panel?

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Speaker 6: Good on you?

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Speaker 4: Well it sounds.

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Speaker 6: In exciting news that doesn't outshine Robin's there, because that's

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Speaker 6: pretty spectacular. We'll please to announce another four year agreement

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Speaker 6: with the Summer That's organizers, so the event we know

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Speaker 6: how much it means to Alice Springs and speak. I

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Speaker 6: can't get down there this weekend, but I can tell you, Robin,

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Speaker 6: I saw a couple of the cars. They came out

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Speaker 6: to Nightcliff the other day and they did attract all

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Speaker 6: the local neighborhood kids. So it's certainly an event and

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Speaker 6: with four more years, top.

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Speaker 5: Ender should head to the center news.

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Speaker 4: Wonderful stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's get into it because there really has been

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Speaker 3: so much happening throughout this week and it's something that

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Speaker 3: we did discuss last week. But really it's come to

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Speaker 3: the four I think you'd have to say this week,

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Speaker 3: and that is our vaccination rates around the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 3: There's some real conjecture I think you'd have to say

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Speaker 3: around the suburbs of Darwin we're doing really quite well.

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Speaker 3: We're not doing too badly either. But then when you

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Speaker 3: vaccination rates are really pretty low. From what I've read

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Speaker 3: obviously this is a concern for a whole raft of reasons.

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Speaker 3: First and foremost the health reason, but secondly because we

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Speaker 3: I don't know where to go first really, but it's

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Speaker 7: It's a it's a long way from six percent to

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Speaker 7: eighty percent. If we're talking about and the government has said,

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Speaker 7: real problem. I think there's a couple of things. I

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Speaker 7: think the government, both the federal government and the Northern

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Speaker 7: the rates in every community. I think it's a ridiculous

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Speaker 7: situation where we're getting drips of information about one community

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Speaker 7: here and one community there that come from sort of

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Speaker 7: unofficial sources. The government has the data, they should make

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Speaker 7: it absolutely public. They should make it public today, and

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Speaker 7: then we need to work out how we're going to

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Speaker 7: rates at the level they need to be because the

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Speaker 7: rest of the country is going to open up New

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Speaker 7: South Wales, Victoria, they're already talking about it, seventy percent vaccination.

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Speaker 7: They're going to open up. If we have a situation

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Speaker 8: There does need to be a lot more transparency around

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Speaker 8: this issue. Of course, we had a briefing just a

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Speaker 8: couple of weeks ago, Katie, and we ask for a

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Speaker 2: The government wouldn't give us that.

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Speaker 8: Of course, We've had numbers from the federal government now

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Speaker 8: which goes by residential address obviously linked to that Medicare location,

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Speaker 8: and then the territory government want to do it just

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Speaker 8: by jabs. Now, it's one thing to count jabs, but

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Speaker 8: that's not clean data in and of itself.

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Speaker 2: Now we know that a large.

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Speaker 8: Percentage of vaccines being administered in the territory are going

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Speaker 8: to people who don't live in the territory.

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Speaker 2: They're tourists coming through. I know in Catherine they've had.

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Speaker 8: Really huge vaccination numbers for interstate people. Parmesan's super Clinic

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Speaker 8: has clearly come out and said twenty percent of all

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Speaker 2: And I've heard the same thing out in.

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Speaker 8: The Bush from a remote clinics saying they've had an influx

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Speaker 8: the territory government needs to be providing to territorians is

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Speaker 8: cleansed of those interstate or five FO tourists who are

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Speaker 8: getting the vaccine. We need to know how many Territorians

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Speaker 8: getting them, because you know, if I'm sitting in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 8: get my fizer, why should me, a Darwin person be

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Speaker 4: Well, and isn't that.

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Speaker 3: Where would that be where the discrepancy is realistically between

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Speaker 3: the federal government and the territory government because the federal

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Speaker 3: government figures go through Medicare, so presumably they would be

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Speaker 3: the ones that actually had your post code attached to

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Speaker 6: So Katie, people don't update their Medicare data, so we

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Speaker 6: do need people to make sure that they have updated

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Speaker 6: that address. The way we're providing people's addresses is through

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Speaker 6: the primary health care system, so we do know that

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Speaker 6: people aren't heading to man and Greed to get vaccinated,

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Speaker 6: but the lives.

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Speaker 3: Of Catherine, that is they're traveling through If they're there

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Speaker 7: Record on that is that people in remote communities aren't

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Speaker 7: the ones who aren't updating their Medicare details. It's the

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Speaker 7: people who come through Darwin for a brief period of time,

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Speaker 7: be it one or two years, and you don't update

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Speaker 2: People aren't going to remote communities.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I was just in Nayu the other day

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Speaker 8: and was told in Nayu that on the day that

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Speaker 8: the hell stuff on the ground were like, hang on

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Speaker 8: a second, do you guys nik to wait your turn.

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Speaker 8: We've got to vaccinate our community first. So it's absolutely happening.

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Speaker 6: Katie Natasha Oh, I just I mean, I think that

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Speaker 6: what Lea's peddling is absolute rubbish.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I always tell from people on the

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Speaker 5: Getting to our remote communities.

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Speaker 6: They're not getting them plans to go to what I

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Speaker 6: we've delivered over two hundred and ten thousand jobs in

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Speaker 6: the territory. The Commonwealth has acknowledged that the system of

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Speaker 6: Medicare addresses is not reflective. We need accurate data to

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Speaker 6: exactly who's been vaccinated and where, because it is so

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Speaker 6: the pandemic. But in terms of the vaccination rates, we

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Speaker 6: have always said that it will be difficult to vaccinate

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Speaker 6: when people make that decision to get vaccinated, they can

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Speaker 6: local leadership and I think the success stories in remote

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Speaker 6: vaccinations is because the local community, and there's different ways.

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Speaker 6: Some communities are treating it as a celebration. Other communities

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Speaker 6: are taking it as a really important matter the same

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Speaker 6: work with communities so that they understand the importance and

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Speaker 6: the most important public health measure as we move forward

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Speaker 6: is the vaccination. I mean in some of these locations,

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Speaker 6: so like you're talking about from what I've read in

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Speaker 6: the Australian newspaper, so they started that they had gotten

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Speaker 6: some locations you're talking about as few as ten people

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Speaker 6: being vaccinated.

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Speaker 3: Like, I know that it's a really difficult process. I

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Speaker 3: think that everybody acknowledges that. But if we're not really

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Speaker 3: open and upfront about these stats, we're going to get

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Speaker 3: like you pointed out, Matt, the rest of Australia is

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Speaker 3: we've still got twenty percent of people vaccinated in remote

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Speaker 6: So just to respond to a couple of points, by

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Speaker 5: No, I completely disagree.

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Speaker 2: Want them vaccinated. No, we want them vaccinated.

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Speaker 7: Aren't getting vaccinated? We want to know why they're not

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Speaker 5: This space because you would have given.

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Speaker 1: It's hard work. You've done the easy bits. Vaccinating people

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Speaker 8: And it's got to be the Danta has got to

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Speaker 8: eighty percent of people in Darwen are vaccinated if twenty

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Speaker 3: Now. Quite a few text messages coming through, well, a

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Speaker 3: Another one here, can you ask the Health Minister when

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Speaker 5: So Katie.

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Speaker 6: In terms of the new vaccines, there's a number that

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Speaker 7: Understanding and it's hard to tell without the actual data,

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Speaker 7: But if we had that data, we'd be able to say,

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Speaker 6: And we have seen the Aboriginal medical organizations. They share

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Speaker 6: They don't give us the community our community breakdown, but

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Speaker 7: An issue as well, like the Commonwealth should be giving

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Speaker 7: see the Commonwealth community by community data, Like, I don't

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Speaker 7: I don't I respect your argument, but I don't agree

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Speaker 5: I should clarify that that that that's how it works.

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Speaker 8: But be pretty astonishing if that information wasn't shit. I mean,

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Speaker 8: You know, I've found out that in Yarrolyn there was

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Speaker 6: There's a national guideline of ten percent that you know,

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Speaker 6: But we have had excellent supply chain of the vaccine

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Speaker 3: All Right, we're going to take a very short break

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Speaker 4: Three sixties the week that was thanks to the silver

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Speaker 9: Well, we've got sittings at September, October, November and December.

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Speaker 9: No, No, I think we just managain our workload. So

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Speaker 9: Well, if it is longer nights, I'm just saying we

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Speaker 3: Can you understand, though, how some people might think that's

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Speaker 9: I have answered a lot of questions on the grandstand,

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Speaker 9: No, that's pretty regular really. Yeah, under the lass I've

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but not very often.

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Speaker 9: I wouldn't. I wouldn't nessily agree with that.

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Speaker 9: Okay, I disagree, we don't fail complete accepts in emotions.

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Speaker 3: So that was during an interview with the Chief Minister

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Speaker 4: Be made up.

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Speaker 3: How does that make both you, the opposition and the

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Speaker 2: We are absolutely furious, Katie.

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Speaker 8: What we did yesterday is all non government members, so

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Speaker 8: Now the rhetoric coming from government is that oh it's okay,

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Speaker 8: Don't worry all this garbage. These are three sitting days.

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Speaker 8: This represents ten percent of all parliamentary days for the

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Speaker 8: is now. If Government want to sit late in September

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Speaker 8: to allegedly get their business done, then they have to

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Speaker 8: double question time and double independent and opposition business because

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Speaker 8: if they don't, then all they are doing is hiding

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Speaker 8: from scrutiny, running from our questions, running from the issues

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Speaker 8: important to territorians.

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Speaker 2: And we will not cop that. This is a very

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Speaker 2: very big deal.

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Speaker 1: Look, just listening to the Chief Minister just then, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like he diminished the importance of parliament the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, Katie, we are members of Parliament and

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Speaker 1: an important part of our job is to attend Parliament

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Speaker 1: and represent our constituents. For me, it's the people of

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Speaker 1: Central Australia for ying, yea, the people of Noulanboy in

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Speaker 1: the Arnham area. We all represent a very unique and

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Speaker 1: unique and important communities and to have that opportunity to

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Speaker 1: bring our issues, the issues of our people to Parliament,

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Speaker 1: whether the government likes it or not, is an important

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Speaker 1: part of what we do, what we are paid to do.

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Speaker 1: We're all well paid. I get one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars a year. My colleagues here get a

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Speaker 1: whole lot more than me. We get a lot of

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Speaker 1: money to do a job, and we are being denied

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Speaker 1: those three days in which I for one, had an

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Speaker 1: important motion to put to Parliament, and that was to

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Speaker 1: discuss the economic development of Central Australia. That has been

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Speaker 1: taken away from me. I hope we sit in a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks time so I will have that opportunity

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Speaker 1: to do that important piece of work on behalf of

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Speaker 1: my community. But to diminish the importance of Parliament and

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Speaker 1: what we do that in the Northern Territory, Parliament really

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Speaker 1: is quite astounding. It's about democracy, it's about people having

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Speaker 1: a voice and it's incredibly important. Look, if I can't

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Speaker 1: go to Parliament, I think I have to question what

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Speaker 1: I'm doing, you know, I don't need to be doing

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Speaker 1: this job. I can go off and do something else

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Speaker 1: in life. If Michaeld Ganna doesn't respect my job as

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Speaker 1: a Member for Ara Lewin and my role in the Parliament,

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Speaker 1: then I have to question what we're all doing there.

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Speaker 3: Look, in my humble opinion, it doesn't actually come down

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Speaker 3: to whether the government does or doesn't respect the opposition

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Speaker 3: or the independence. It actually comes down to whether the

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Speaker 3: government respects the people in those electorates as well, because

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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, each and every one

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Speaker 3: of you are in Parliament to represent the people in

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Speaker 3: your electorate.

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Speaker 4: You are voted by those people.

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Speaker 3: They are coming to you with different issues and different concerns.

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Speaker 3: None of you are in there, or none of you

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Speaker 3: should be in there to represent your own interests. You

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Speaker 3: should be in there to represent the interests of territorians. Natasha,

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Speaker 3: are these days going to be made up? You are

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Speaker 3: the leader of Government business. Yes, so, Katie, it was.

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Speaker 3: We obviously had the lockdown and a number of disruptions

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Speaker 3: happened across the top end, darl and Catherine, including Parliament.

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Speaker 3: So we've said that if we need those days, I

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Speaker 3: mean sort of going month by month at the moment

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Speaker 3: trying to get people vaccinated focused on the pandemic. If

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Speaker 3: we do need those sittings days, we're happy to add

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Speaker 3: them into the schedule.

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Speaker 5: We saw the Parliamentary stadding.

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Speaker 4: Them into the schedule.

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Speaker 3: It's part of the schedule that already existed because they've

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Speaker 3: been taken away and in other states and territories they

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Speaker 3: are actually still sitting during those days. We determined last

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Speaker 3: week that you guys are deemed essential workers or essential services,

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Speaker 3: so realistically it could have still gone to work. I

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Speaker 3: know that it is incredibly busy for all of you

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Speaker 3: when there is a lockdown, and that obviously you've got

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Speaker 3: those meetings with a different you know, with the chow

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Speaker 3: and the police commissioner and various others to make sure

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Speaker 3: that being busy.

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Speaker 5: It's about a lockdown, so it's about stopping all that movement.

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Speaker 4: So they do it in other states.

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Speaker 6: So you've seen in a number of jurisdictions the parliamentary

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Speaker 6: schedule has been interrupted. When we were meant to sit

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Speaker 6: we went into that lockdown. We stopped all movement in

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Speaker 6: Darwin and Catherine because we didn't know where that virus

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Speaker 6: was and fortunately we didn't see that spread We certainly

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Speaker 6: value parliament and the processes of Parliament. Last year we

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Speaker 6: saw the schedule incredibly disrupted by COVID, and it's happened

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Speaker 6: again this year. What we've said is we're happy to

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Speaker 6: put those days on the schedule, but let's just get

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Speaker 6: through the next few weeks and see where we land.

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Speaker 8: No, the days are already on the schedule, you cancel

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Speaker 8: them for lockdown. Everyone accepted that, even though in even

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Speaker 8: the big states like New South Wales they're still sitting.

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Speaker 8: We accepted, fine, three days. Fine, let's just we'll just

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Speaker 8: move them. You guys are deleting them because you don't

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Speaker 8: want the scrutiny, and yet you're not doubling the amount

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Speaker 8: of scrutiny we can have during the remaining days that

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Speaker 8: you've left. I mean, the way in which you use

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Speaker 8: and abuse your power in Parliament is truly unprecedented, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We've had seven petitions.

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Speaker 8: Referred to a government controlled committee for whether or not

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Speaker 8: they should be debated into the parliament. None have come back.

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Speaker 8: We've had the government crush emotion before I even had

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Speaker 8: a word leave my lips during General Business date. Our

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Speaker 8: general business is the time for the independence and oppositions

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Speaker 8: to run the agenda question time, they're just not answering

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Speaker 8: our questions and sitting down. Of course, we've had censures

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Speaker 8: knocked back even before four I've even got the words

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Speaker 8: out of my mouth.

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Speaker 2: So during the CLP.

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Speaker 8: Days there was only one time where a censure was

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Speaker 8: knocked back, and that whole four year term we've had three.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is just in the last twelve months.

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Speaker 8: We've even had the government stop debate at the end

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Speaker 8: of the day in a German Now a German is

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Speaker 8: just like the last debate of the day. It can

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Speaker 8: be on any topic anyone wants, so it's a very

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Speaker 8: free debate, which is good because people have lots of

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Speaker 8: different issues.

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Speaker 2: Government even stopped that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, what they are doing to use and abuse

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Speaker 8: the parliament is atrocious. And now to delete three days

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Speaker 8: and say, oh well, maybe later in the year we'll

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Speaker 8: put them back in is wrong.

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Speaker 2: It is anti democratic.

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Speaker 8: It is removing our right to scrutinize government, territory's right

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Speaker 8: to have their voices heard, and it is indefensible, indefensible.

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Speaker 3: But I know you've been covering politics for an awfully

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Speaker 3: long time.

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Speaker 4: What do you make of all of this?

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Speaker 7: Well, if the Opposition and the Independence are frustrated that

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Speaker 7: they couldn't go to work for three days because there

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Speaker 7: was one case at COVID nineteen, how do you think

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Speaker 7: the businesses in Darwin and Alice Springs and elsewhere feel

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Speaker 7: that they were shut down for three days or four

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Speaker 7: days and lost millions and millions of dollars, not.

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Speaker 4: To mention the gyms for a week longer.

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Speaker 7: Yes, because of one case of COVID nineteen. You know, Look,

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Speaker 7: does the average punter on the street care that much

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Speaker 7: of Parliament shut down for three days?

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Speaker 2: Probably?

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Speaker 7: Not, But I think the average punter is going to

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Speaker 7: get really frustrated if we keep having to be locked

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Speaker 7: down over one case of COVID nineteen. You look at

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Speaker 7: the way the mood I reckon the mood is changing

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Speaker 7: in Victoria and New South Wales. Last year in Victoria,

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Speaker 7: Dan Andrews was their hero for locking down. I think

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Speaker 7: the people there are getting really, really frustrated, and you're

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Speaker 7: even seeing you know, the Age newspaper yesterday wrote an

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Speaker 7: editorial saying that the lockdowns needed to end. So, I mean,

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Speaker 7: I absolutely accept the point that Lea and Robin are making,

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Speaker 7: especially given the promises the government made when they came

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Speaker 7: to power about openness and transparency and everything else. But

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Speaker 7: I think the big issue here is that we just

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Speaker 7: can't continue in a situation where one case, one single

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Speaker 7: case of COVID nineteen can do so much damage to

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Speaker 7: so many people.

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Speaker 8: Can I just say, though, Matt, they are two completely

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Speaker 8: separate issues. So we all accepted not to sit in

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Speaker 8: parliament during lockdown. That's fine, But what we now have

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Speaker 8: is three days deleted from the sittings calendar. So in

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Speaker 8: the precious thirty days we get to scrutinize government in parliament,

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Speaker 8: three of those are now gone.

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Speaker 2: That's ten percent.

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Speaker 8: So we accept during lockdown that we couldn't sit, but

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Speaker 8: they should immediately have been reinstated. And now government is

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Speaker 8: very conveniently saying na, no, we just won't do that.

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Speaker 8: We'll just sit late and work late. Well, three days

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Speaker 8: of no parliament is three days of no question time,

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Speaker 8: three days of no debates. Know nothing about anything that

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Speaker 8: the opposition or the independent members care about. So that's crime.

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Speaker 8: That's code yellow at Royal Dauwin Hospital. That's these vaccine

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Speaker 8: transparency numbers. It's the economy in Alice Springs, it's things

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Speaker 8: happening out in the bush.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot. You know, a lot of the issues

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Speaker 2: that Yingia Guyola.

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Speaker 8: Raises in Parliament, all of that is gone and it

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Speaker 8: cannot be replaced by sitting late on existing days.

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Speaker 2: They must be reinstated.

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Speaker 1: And those three days that we didn't sit, none of

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Speaker 1: us have had our pay packets affected as members of Parliament,

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Speaker 1: whereas all the businesses out there, including a business that

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Speaker 1: I own at cooler Linga, we didn't make a cent

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Speaker 1: during those three days.

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Speaker 3: So if the.

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Speaker 1: Government wants to shut down parliament, maybe we should be

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Speaker 1: taking some money out of our pay packets because we're

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Speaker 1: not doing what we're meant to be doing.

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Speaker 8: And if the government has no business, you know, the

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Speaker 8: government has no business, that's their problem. We've got plenty

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Speaker 8: of things to talk about, plenty of issues that we

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Speaker 8: need raise, and plenty of things that need to be scrutinized.

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Speaker 8: And we know government just despises the level of scrutiny

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Speaker 8: that Parliament provides, but welcome to the real world.

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Speaker 2: That's our democratic system.

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Speaker 8: You don't get to just bully your way around and

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Speaker 8: remove the one major flagship piece of scrutiny against your

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Speaker 8: government because you don't like the headlines and the paper

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Speaker 8: during that week of sitting.

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Speaker 3: Going to take a very short break. There is still

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Speaker 3: plenty to discuss this morning. You are listening to the

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Speaker 3: week that was proudly brought to you by the Silver

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Speaker 3: Herbron Lawyers and broadcasting on adj.

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Speaker 2: Three sixties.

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Speaker 4: The week that was thanks to the Silver Hebron, your

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Speaker 3: You are listening to the week that was and in

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Speaker 3: the studio with Usley Fanocciaro, Robin Lamley, Matt Cunningham and

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Speaker 3: Natasha Files. Now, a topic that has been bubbling along

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Speaker 3: for quite some time and one which we have received

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Speaker 3: quite a few phone calls and messages about is the

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Speaker 3: cost of housing here in the Northern Territory and how

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Speaker 3: expensive it is obviously when you talk about rents, and

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Speaker 3: how tough it is for some families at the moment,

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Speaker 3: we know that there are a number of families that

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Speaker 3: are experiencing real stress right now as a result of COVID. Matt,

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Speaker 3: like you'd touched on just a little while ago, the

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Speaker 3: fact that some businesses have obviously been closed for a

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Speaker 3: number of days throughout that lockdown. We've also got a

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Speaker 3: situation where there's lots lots of businesses impacted by the

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Speaker 3: fact that that you know, you're not able to have

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Speaker 3: tourists traveling from those other states. Now, whether you own

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Speaker 3: your own business or you work in a job where

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Speaker 3: your hours have maybe been reduced or you've maybe even

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Speaker 3: lost your job as a result of some of what's

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Speaker 3: going on around the world at the moment, we know

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Speaker 3: that that's having a massive impact on people's budgets. Now,

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Speaker 3: yesterday we actually caught up with Laws and Broad from

662
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Speaker 3: Somerville Community Services. He spoke about the difficulties that some

663
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Speaker 3: Territorians are going through right now, not only you know,

664
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Speaker 3: when it comes to paying those bills and really their

665
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Speaker 3: living expenses when it comes to as well, the cost

666
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Speaker 3: of living, Ie are housing.

667
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Speaker 4: Take a listen to what he'd told us yesterday on

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Speaker 4: the show.

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Speaker 10: Well, what we know, absolutely, Katie, is that for many families,

670
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Speaker 10: many households across the Northern Territory, their budgets are being

671
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Speaker 10: crippled by the cost of housing. So the stats tell

672
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Speaker 10: us that story, renters tell us that story. What we

673
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Speaker 10: know is that current vacancy rates sit well below two

674
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Speaker 10: percent in real terms. What tells us is that on

675
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 10: any day of the week there are more people looking

676
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 10: for houses than there are houses on the market. That's unsustainable.

677
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 10: That's basics applying demand and what that means is that

678
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 10: the cost of housing goes up. Unfortunately, we are seeing

679
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 10: in small pockets in they are small pockets. This is

680
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 10: not across the board, but we are seeing small pockets

681
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 10: of landlords who are frankly extortionate and profit hearing where

682
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 10: rents are being ratcheted up one hundred dollars two hundred

683
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 10: dollars a week. That is crippling household budgets.

684
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Speaker 4: So we spoke to Lawson about that.

685
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Speaker 3: He'd also written a column in the Sunday Territory and

686
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Speaker 3: last Weekend which spoke about the need for that affordable

687
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Speaker 3: housing in the Northern Territory. So not your public housing,

688
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, not your private rental properties, but that affordable

689
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 3: housing that's in the middle and the need for more

690
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 3: of it in the territory. And I think that the

691
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: reality of it is if we are talking about building

692
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Speaker 3: the economy, we're talking about you know, even today we've

693
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Speaker 3: got infrastructure Australia that has recognized that Northern Australia where

694
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: it's at when it comes to building the economy. We

695
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: need to make sure that there is housing for people,

696
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 3: and we need to make sure that it is affordable,

697
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Speaker 3: particularly if you're that middle ground where you are struggling

698
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Speaker 3: right now, otherwise we're going to see people leaving the

699
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Speaker 3: Northern Territory.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we've certainly had a lot of feedback on the

701
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 8: ground of rents just exploding, and of course what we

702
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 8: know is that that land release is a really important

703
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 8: part of this story.

704
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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 8: You know, in my electric for example, I've got plenty

706
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Speaker 8: of development, you know, whether it's in North prest or

707
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Speaker 8: out in Zacola, there's a lot of that type of

708
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Speaker 8: thing going on. But one thing I do know is

709
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 8: that this really also comes down to a red tape issue. Now,

710
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 8: developers have obviously got their agreements with government to turn

711
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 8: off certain numbers of blocks, etc. But timing really becomes

712
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 8: an important issue, and government hold all the cards when

713
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 8: it comes to that whether or not it's the timing

714
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Speaker 8: to start the construction works, because that takes a lot

715
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Speaker 8: of time and energy and planning. There's the confidence in

716
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 8: the market that if developers actually do produce these blocks,

717
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 8: that they're going to be sold, and then there's also

718
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 8: the issuing of the titles, and what we often see

719
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 8: is major, major delays in issuing of titles so that

720
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Speaker 8: people can actually buy and start construction on these blocks.

721
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Speaker 8: We know during the budget the government came out with

722
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Speaker 8: their grand plan for ten thousand blocks out near the

723
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Speaker 8: Palmeston Hospital, but we know that that is, you know,

724
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 8: years and years and years into the planning. And we

725
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 8: also know that in places like Zucolia and Northcrest, we've

726
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 8: got thousands of blocks ready to go. And this is

727
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 8: obviously just a very top end focused a bit of

728
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Speaker 8: commentary of course, kill Garriff. I mean, that's a whole

729
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 8: other story. They've been waiting eighteen months to get any

730
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Speaker 8: new blocks turned off there, and again those cards sit

731
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Speaker 8: with the government, so we have to get that balance right,

732
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Speaker 8: like what Lawson said, with supply and demand, and what

733
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 8: we've seen is the place locked up for too long

734
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Speaker 8: because of our lack of business confidence, but also because

735
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Speaker 8: of that red tape holding these projects back.

736
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Speaker 7: But I think that's one issue that Lee's talking about.

737
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Speaker 7: But I think we're talking about a different cohort of

738
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Speaker 7: the community here. These are people who will never have

739
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 7: fifty dollars in the bank to put a deposit down

740
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Speaker 7: on a house and land package. We're talking about people

741
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 7: who are lucky if they've got fifty.

742
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Speaker 9: Dollars in the bank.

743
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Speaker 7: What alarmed me about the peace Lawson wrote on Sunday,

744
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Speaker 7: And good on him for speaking up, because a lot

745
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 7: of people who hold positions like his don't have the

746
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Speaker 7: courage to speak up because of the blowback that comes

747
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Speaker 7: to them. But he did have the courage to speak up.

748
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Speaker 7: And lawsons to someone who I've known for a long

749
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Speaker 7: time and someone who always speaks his mind and says

750
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Speaker 7: what he actually believes. And what concerned me was that

751
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 7: there there's been this plan since twenty sixteen to transfer

752
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 7: the public housing to community housing, and here we are

753
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty one and nothing's happened. Like, how is

754
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 7: it that in five years nothing can happen? How much

755
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 7: money has been spent on that plan, and why is

756
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 7: it that five years down the track nothing has happened.

757
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Speaker 7: I lived just around the corner from the Lichfield Flats,

758
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Speaker 7: the Lichfield Court, and I mean the things that happen

759
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 7: in that place, you know. I went in there once

760
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Speaker 7: with a woman to do a story we drove in,

761
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 7: she said, oh, this place is that we call this

762
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 7: place of the Zoo. You know, it's just terrible the

763
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 7: things that go on there. Last weekend there was a

764
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Speaker 7: woman there who was she was killed there. She had

765
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Speaker 7: a leg in a full plaster cast. This should have

766
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Speaker 7: been happening, and we need to do whatever we can

767
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Speaker 7: to fix this. And I think the plan that Lawson's

768
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 7: talking about is a good one and one that can

769
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Speaker 7: help fix this sort of thing. It's happened across the country,

770
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Speaker 7: but you know, five years and it's just been tied

771
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Speaker 7: up in bureaucracy for that entire time.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think, like you've pointed out, he's

773
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Speaker 3: obviously speaking for the people that he represents as well.

774
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Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about some of ill community services,

775
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 3: who does provide some of those support services to a

776
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: people who are really going through a tough time. And

777
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Speaker 3: you know, there is a lot of people that are

778
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 3: going through a tough time at the moment. There's a

779
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 3: lot of people obviously that want to get into that

780
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 3: public housing market that are on weight lists for an awfully.

781
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Speaker 4: Long period of time.

782
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Speaker 2: I'm think even years.

783
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Speaker 3: It's pretty well known. I used to work for the

784
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Speaker 3: Housing Minister. So I'm aware that those weight lists back

785
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: in the day were astronomical. You know, then you're talking

786
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 3: about that middle ground where you've got the affordable housing,

787
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 3: that transferring of that stock, and I know that the

788
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 3: government is obviously working with those providers to try and

789
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: get that happening, but like Lawson had pointed out, taking

790
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: a very long time. And then you've also got people

791
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: that do want to find somewhere to rental. They can

792
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 3: you know, they can actually afford to pay their rents.

793
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: But yesterday we had.

794
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: People calling in saying that, you know, their rents had

795
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: gone from three hundred and fifty dollars to five hundred

796
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: and ninety for a two bedroom unit.

797
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: You know, how can people afford to live here?

798
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 3: If we don't get this right, we're not going to

799
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: prosper as a territory. I don't think if we're not

800
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: actually able to make sure that we get this housing

801
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: situation right, and that's not even going out then further

802
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 3: afield to those remote communities where we know that overcrowding

803
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 3: and the issues out there are far far worse.

804
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: It just sounds to me like groundhog Day, Katie. I mean,

805
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: it was only a few years ago during the impact

806
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: boom that we were talking about the same thing. Every

807
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: time there's a sort of a relative boom in in Darwin.

808
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: This is an issue, but I think it's time for

809
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Natasha Files to talk about the things that I'm reading

810
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: about your government doing. I mean, haven't you put on

811
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: Wendy Morton in a key position to look at this issue?

812
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Community housing a form.

813
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 5: There's two issues here. We know that the NT economy

814
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 5: is booming.

815
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 6: We saw those state final demand figures five point three

816
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 6: percent up this week released and so it is a

817
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 6: supply and demand driven issue, and we do need to

818
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 6: make sure there's land release that is steady, and there

819
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 6: is certainly land release coming on. But in terms of

820
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 6: the social housing and the community housing, and that's right,

821
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: they're two different parts of people looking for housing, and

822
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 6: we've done significant work around. We know that those community

823
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 6: housing providers do do a good job in providing supports

824
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 6: for people our most vulnerable in our community. We know

825
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 6: that if people have got a roof over their head

826
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 6: and a stable roof over the head, and if we

827
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 6: help them manage their tendancy, they're far more likely to

828
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 6: be happy and healthy and not have interactions with the justices.

829
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 5: We've got some innovative projects.

830
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 6: We've got the Harsey which is the Mental Health Project

831
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 6: where we're helping clients people who have mental health illness

832
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 6: manage their tendancy. The John Stokes Square redevelopment is certainly

833
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 6: well underway and looking at how we can be innovative

834
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 6: in supplying that public housing to those people that are

835
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 6: most vulnerable, but also helping them maintain the tendancy so

836
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 6: that we don't end up with those groups of public

837
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 6: housing around our community. And I don't want to name

838
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 6: them because there's really wonderful people that live in there.

839
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 6: I go in there and hold pizza knights and talk

840
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 6: to these people. I used to do it in John

841
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 6: Stokes before it was knocked down, and a few people

842
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 6: in there, and it's often visitors, which comes back to

843
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 6: the point around working with those community housing providers to

844
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 6: help people manage their tendencies. I think that the public

845
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 6: housing safety officers do a wonderful job, and there's really

846
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 6: good people in this sector, but there is a better

847
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 6: way in which we can deliver social Stubsey's.

848
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 1: So much work to do in this space, and they're

849
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 1: so slow as Leah said, you know, it's about getting

850
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: hied up in red tape and every other excuse on

851
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: the planet.

852
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 5: I mean you would disagree. Like we have.

853
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 6: The heartcy program has been rolled out and that has

854
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 6: been expanded, and that's been really successful, and we're certainly

855
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 6: working with those community housing providers to provide more social.

856
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 7: Health years does seem fairly extraordinary, doesn't it?

857
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: For decades?

858
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 7: Plan It's taken five years and it's got nowhere well.

859
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: And again though that social housing is very different like

860
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: to the affordable housing. So like you know, like we're

861
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 3: saying there's sort of three tiers here and seven hundred

862
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: and fifty homes or seven hundred and fifty properties, as

863
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: Lawson had spoken about being transferred. You know, that would

864
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: be an enormous thing obviously in terms of getting them

865
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: I'm imagining on the market and available or not on

866
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 3: the market, but you know, available to people who are

867
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 3: in me Katie.

868
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 6: What we're talking about too, is we're talking about properties

869
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 6: that have existing tenants in them. It's the management and

870
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 6: the support for those people to maintain those tenancies and

871
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 6: to I think that it's not necessarily just suddenly seven

872
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty public housing properties that.

873
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: God, that's obviously a figure or a number of it.

874
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: The labor government themselves obviously identified, so they must have

875
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: an idea of.

876
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 5: Doing those people.

877
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Speaker 6: And what I'm saying is, you know, for example, and

878
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Speaker 6: the one I know well because it's within my electorate

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Speaker 6: and portfolio is the Mental Health Hearty Project.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're going to take a very short break.

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Speaker 3: We've only got a few minutes minutes left. But well,

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Speaker 3: there's a message here that's actually just come through and

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Speaker 3: it says the government have six houses up for sale.

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Speaker 3: One has been empty for eighteen months. It's in perfect condition,

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Speaker 3: says that text. I know we have a lot of

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Speaker 3: people that live in public housing that listen to the show,

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Speaker 3: A lot of people that live next door or in

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Speaker 3: the same street as as some of those public housing homes.

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Speaker 3: And that is another thing that gets raised quite a bit,

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Speaker 3: is that some of those properties remain vacant for a

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Speaker 3: considerably long period of time and you know.

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Speaker 1: If get trashed in the meantime.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's always the problem. We'll take a short break.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Mix one O four point nine

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Speaker 3: three sixty. It is the week that was three sixties.

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Speaker 3: The week that was thanks to the Silver Hebra on

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Speaker 3: your local lawyers. You are listening to Mix one O

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Speaker 3: four point ninety three sixty. It's only a couple of

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Speaker 3: minutes away from ten o'clock. You've been listening to the

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Speaker 3: Week that was with Leofanocchiaro, Robin Lamley, Matt Cunningham and

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Speaker 3: Natasha Files.

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Speaker 4: I do just want to take you across quickly.

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Speaker 3: We know that Senator Sam McMahon well said a decision

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Speaker 3: to require Commonwealth MPs to fill a bed inside Howard

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Speaker 3: Springs quarantine rather than isolated home was out of step

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Speaker 3: with every other jurisdiction in Australia and added unnecessary pressure

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Speaker 3: to the current system. Now she is obviously spending fourteen

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Speaker 3: days in quarantine after returning from Canberra where she had

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Speaker 3: been attending those parliamentary sittings. It's become a bit of

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Speaker 3: a war of words, I think between her and the

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Speaker 3: Chief Minister. The Chief Minister saying that well, here's fired

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Speaker 3: back and said that her call to allow to quarantine

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Speaker 3: at home, that well, it doesn't matter who you are,

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Speaker 3: whether you're a politician or not, you've got to do

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Speaker 3: everybody's got to do the same thing, and.

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Speaker 4: I take that on board.

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Speaker 3: You know, I agree that everybody the rule should be

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Speaker 3: the same for everybody. But this is the whole discussion

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Speaker 3: I think that started. We spoke about it last week

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Speaker 3: after speaking to one of our listeners in Alice Springs,

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Speaker 3: who'd gone through that situation where she couldn't go to

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Speaker 3: her mum's well, her mum's bedside as she was dying,

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Speaker 3: because even though she's double vexed, she obviously had to

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Speaker 3: stay inside the Todd facility and do her time quarantining.

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Speaker 3: So I think that this is quite a big discussion

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Speaker 3: about our quarantining right now. And I know that there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of concerns when it comes to health, but

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Speaker 3: it does open up that discussion.

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Speaker 8: I mean, instead of tackling crime, Michael Gunna spends a

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Speaker 8: lot of his time being a keyboard warrier.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you're the.

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Speaker 2: Chief Minister, you need to be doing better things.

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Speaker 8: We saw him attack the police with a fight with

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Speaker 8: the Police Association.

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Speaker 2: Now he's fighting with the Senator.

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Speaker 8: This is just politicization of COVID because it's the only

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Speaker 8: thing he knows how to do, which is an absolute disgrace.

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Speaker 8: You've got a Chief Minister in a global pandemic, trying

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Speaker 8: to politically points score, and we know there are a

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Speaker 8: million examples of that, including him using his Facebook page

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Speaker 8: is some sort of health promotions website. But ultimately the

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Speaker 8: Senator has been very clear, she said this is the

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Speaker 8: Federal Parliament have made the request, but he's just trying

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Speaker 8: to pin it on her to sling mud during a

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Speaker 8: by election. And I think people see through his absolute

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Speaker 8: garbage warrior way is expect a lot better leadership from

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Speaker 8: a man who's meant to be leading us through the

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Speaker 8: global pandemic.

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Speaker 2: You don't mention alone.

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Speaker 8: I'm not even better words, he finished, Look, can I.

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Speaker 2: Use the rest of them time? Because where do I stop?

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Sam McMahon's got a good points. She's fully vaccinated. The

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Speaker 1: request that has come through from the federal government, if

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Speaker 1: she can guarantee that she could quarantine at home safely.

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Speaker 5: I think it should be considered.

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Speaker 1: But expect to know.

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Speaker 7: I suppose I think that the woman you had on

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Speaker 7: last week has a far better point. And I think

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Speaker 7: this is the bigger issue is that when are we

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Speaker 7: going to get to the point where if you're double jabbed,

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Speaker 7: you don't have to quarantine. I mean, I think I

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Speaker 7: agree with your point later about Sada McMahon, But at

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Speaker 7: the same time, I think, you know, last week that

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Speaker 7: woman that putsmaking could see her dying mother even though

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Speaker 7: she was double vaccinated and had returned negative tests. I

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Speaker 7: just worry about you know what we're becoming.

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Speaker 3: Here well, and her story is not you know, she's

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Speaker 3: not alone in her in her story. There's so many

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Speaker 3: people around Australia going through these types of situations.

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Speaker 4: Fuzzy. How many requests for.

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Speaker 6: An exemption do you reckon you'd get a day, Oh, Katie,

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Speaker 6: they go straight to the office of the chow. We

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Speaker 6: do get copied in on some people do contact us

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Speaker 6: as they contact a number of people, and it's really difficult.

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Speaker 6: It's one of those you know, it's a public health measure.

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Speaker 6: It's the decision of the chow to keep us safe

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Speaker 6: from the virus. But I you know, my heart goes

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Speaker 6: out to people in and you know, there's a range

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Speaker 6: of circumstances that just are incredibly heartbreaking.

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Speaker 5: So it's a difficult one. But I think the public health.

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Speaker 6: Measures have kept us safe to date, but they're certainly

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Speaker 6: as more of the population is vaccinated, there will still

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Speaker 6: be public health measures, mask QR COD check ins, but

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Speaker 6: they will change and I just feel for people caught

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Speaker 6: up in different circumstances.

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Speaker 3: Well, look we are going to have to wrap up.

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Speaker 3: That is it for us this morning. That's it for

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Speaker 3: the week. That was a big thank you Leah Fanocchio

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Speaker 3: for your time today.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 8: And I want to shout out to everyone in daily

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Speaker 8: of course, voting has started. You can vote at Kula

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Speaker 8: Linga next week. You can also vote at Berry Springs

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Speaker 8: Vote Smart, Vote one. Chris Savagery is put one Team

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Speaker 8: Team pull my microphone down.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Katie, and a big shout out to everyone

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Speaker 1: in Central Australia. I'll see you at the red Senna

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Speaker 1: app woo.

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Speaker 3: Matck Cunningham from Sky News, thank you, and Natasha Philes

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Speaker 3: the Health Minister, thank you, thank you. And and well

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Speaker 3: that is it for me this morning. I'm actually ducking

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Speaker 3: off a little bit early. I'm going to watch my

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Speaker 3: daughter run in the Anti Championships, so I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be taking off a bit early. We will have some

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Speaker 3: fantastic music for you though for the next couple of hours.

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Speaker 3: Don't forget your dad's on Father's Day and come along

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Speaker 3: and Do Run with Dad. You're listening to Mix one

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Speaker 3: oh four point nine