1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Already, and this is the daily This is the Daily. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 2: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily OS. It is Friday, 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: the sixteenth of January. I'm Sam Pazlowski. 5 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 2: I'm Emma Gillespie. 6 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: This week, US President Donald Trump renewed calls for America 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: to take control of the Arctic territory of Greenland. On Wednesday, 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: Denmark's foreign minister held talks in Washington, d C. With 9 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio, 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: but the meeting failed to resolve what Denmark described as 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: a fundamental disagreement about Greenland's future. Now, NATO allies, including Sweden, 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Norway and Germany have actually begun to deploy military personnel 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: to the territory in a show of support for Denmark. 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: On today's podcast, Emma and I are going to break 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: down what's actually happened this week, why Trump wants to 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: go to Greenland, and what the internet national response tells 17 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: us about tensions within NATO. 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: Sam, there is so much to unpack here. This is 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: such a complex and layered story. But we know Trump 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: has been talking about Greenland for some time. Now, can 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 2: you start by explaining the significance of Greenland. I think 22 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people are quite confused about why such 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: a small territory has such a global focus. Why does 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: America want it so bad? 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. I mean, this is an island in 26 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: the Arctic with a population of about fifty six thousand people, 27 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: so it's half the MCG. That's the country of Greenland, a. 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: Very Sam Gazowski way to look at it. 29 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: I think in sports stadiums. So it's located between Europe 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: and North America. And politically, Greenland is a territory of 31 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: Denmark and the Danish royal family, led by King Frederick, 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: who is the husband of Tasmania's own Mary Donaldson. Now 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: the Queen of Denmark is greenland head of state. But 34 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: Greenland is mainly self governing, which basically means it's creating 35 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: its own laws for major issues, but kind of has 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: Denmark there is a bit of a backer, kind of 37 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: a backstop, so. 38 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: Maybe kind of similar relationship, but not the same as 39 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: like Australia being part of the Commonwealth. We have our 40 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: own government, but we have a monarch which is King Charles. 41 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, so Denmark does still step in in 42 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: ways that we wouldn't step in for commonwealth countries like 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: they give them tax benefits or they'll support them economically, 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: which we don't have an obligation to do to say 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: New Zealand. But Denmark does, though, remain responsible for defense. 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: So Greenland's army is the Danish army and its foreign policy. 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: But besides that, you're right, it's kind of a commonwealth 48 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: structure right now. The interesting thing about Greenland though, economically 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: is that it is a untapped mineral and oil deposit 50 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: treasure trove, and its location makes it really strategically important. 51 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: And the US recognize that, as you said, a long 52 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: time ago, well before Trump was even in politics, and 53 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: they have a military base that has been in Greenland 54 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: since the fifties. 55 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: Okay, so we're talking about a remote island that is 56 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: not only of incredible strategic military importance, but also is very, 57 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: very mineral rich, contains a lot of critical minerals in 58 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: the physical earth. Give me a bit more of a 59 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: sense of the geography of Greenland of why it's a 60 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: strategically important location. 61 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Well, essentially it's kind of this midpoint between the US 62 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: and Europe. But when I say Europe, I really mean Russia. 63 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: And so the US see it as this key site 64 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: for all the early warning systems that they want to implement. 65 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: So they operate a space base out of Greenland for 66 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: missile detection and space surveillance, and essentially it gives them 67 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: a heads up if there was a missile being sent 68 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: from Russia to the US. This is the way that 69 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: they can spot it early and prepare a response. Right. 70 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: But the other interesting part of where it is is 71 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: it's a bottleneck for a number of really key shipping 72 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: routes between the Arctic and Atlantic Ocean. So if Russia 73 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: are moving, say a whole bunch of weapons, they'll spot 74 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: them on the ship from their Greenland base. 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: So there are critical minerals, there is a strategic military importance. 76 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: There's also a strategic trade route involved here. The US 77 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: already has a military presence there and has done so 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 2: since nineteen fifty, as you mentioned, So it's not as 79 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: though there's no US involvement at all in Greenland. Why 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: does Trump want to take control of the entire territory now? 81 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: What's changed? 82 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: Well, I think I mean so Trump is kind of 83 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: putting the minerals thing to one side and saying this 84 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with his attempts to claim the 85 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: whole of Greenland. The minerals. He's saying that it's not 86 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: important America has enough. What he is saying is important 87 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: is that America needs to have it so that Russia 88 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: or China doesn't occupy it in the future. So essentially 89 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: it's kind of a bear against potential occupation later by 90 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: an enemy of America. And he also though has heightens 91 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: the importance of Greenland for that preemptive warning system's kind 92 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: of realm of discussion, particularly something he's calling the Golden Dome, 93 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: which is America's new missile defense system. He posted on 94 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 1: social media this week that Greenland quote is vital for 95 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: the Golden Dome that we're building. And he's been consistent 96 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: with this view since as far back as twenty nineteen, 97 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: but it definitely has intensified. So in December of last year, 98 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: he appointed Louisiana Governor Jeff Landry as the Special Envoy 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: to Greenland, and his job, in Trump's words, was to 100 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: go to Greenland and talk to them about the opportunity 101 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:45,679 Speaker 1: of being part of the US. 102 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so I think the first big question is the why, 103 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: and then the next big question really is the How 104 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 2: have we heard anything from the Trump administration about how 105 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: they would actually pursue a takeover of Greenland. 106 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: We haven't had any sort of concrete plans for what 107 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: a takeover would look like. The presidential advisor Stephen Miller. 108 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: He told CNN that, quote, nobody's going to fight the 109 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: United States militarily over the future of Greenland, and that's 110 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: kind of inferring that they think that if they were 111 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: to go in with the US military, that nobody would 112 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,840 Speaker 1: fight them for it. White House Press Secretary Caroline Levett 113 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: was also asked about whether Trump would use military force 114 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: to take Greenland, and she said that it's always an option, 115 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: and that's caused some serious concern amongst the NATO allies, 116 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: of which the US is actually one of them. 117 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me a little bit more about how NATO 118 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 2: fits into all of this, because it's just another complicated 119 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,679 Speaker 2: layer on top of what is already a very complicated situation, right. 120 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you and I have talked about NATO a 121 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: lot on this podcast to do with Ukraine. But for 122 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: a quick recap, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization is a 123 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: group of thirty two countries across North America. And Europe, 124 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: and it's a political and military alliance. The key bit 125 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: of NATO you need to know is Article five of 126 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: its founding treaty, and that says that an attack on 127 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: one member of NATO is considered an attack on all members, 128 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: and that all members then have an obligation to respond. 129 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: Now response doesn't necessarily mean via their military, but some 130 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: sort of response is required. Now there's nothing in NATO's 131 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: treaty though, about what happens when one ally actually attacks another. 132 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: So if the US was in Greenland, that would be 133 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: an attack on Denmark. 134 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 2: Because Denmark is a NATO country. The US is a 135 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: NATO country, So we don't know what happens when allies 136 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: attack each other. 137 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: That's the big question. 138 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: What about Greenland itself, As you mentioned, this is a 139 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: territory that is largely independent, despite the kind of foreign 140 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: policy and military ties to Denmark, so it has its 141 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: own government. What do they think about all of these 142 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: claims from the US. 143 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: Well, unsurprisingly, Greenland's leadership has been clear. So the Prime 144 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: minister said Greenland is our country, no one is coming 145 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: to take it over. He said that he's open to 146 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: dialogue with the US and kind of emphasize the fact 147 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: that Greenland is a democratic society with strong institutions, they 148 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: can handle some foreign policy themselves. And this week Greenland's 149 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: government released a statement emphasizing that it does want the 150 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: backing of NATO should there be a threat to the territory. 151 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: That's obviously the confusing bit, right, because that would be 152 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: saying they need the US's help in fighting against the 153 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: US who were then invading. It's all very confusing, but 154 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: this was super clear in the statement. It said the 155 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: government can in no way accept a US takeover of Greenland. 156 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 2: Wow. I think what's been really interesting through all of 157 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: this is that over the past several decades we've heard 158 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: kind of a push and pull in Greenland about future independence, 159 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: that ultimately they did not want to be part of 160 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 2: Denmark forever and ever, and that independence it was something 161 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: that people of Greenland have aspired towards. Now they've really 162 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: doubled down with siding with Denmark. They've kind of been 163 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 2: forced to say Greenland is not for sale and we 164 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: support Denmark. How has Denmark responded to all of that. 165 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's such a weird position, right, because Greenland doesn't 166 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: have an army. They rely on Denmark. Denmark have to 167 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: walk this really difficult line between pushing back against Trump 168 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: but also maintaining an alliance with the US, which is 169 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: an important strategic relationship, and that kind of built up 170 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: to a big meeting in Washington this week. So Denmark's 171 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: foreign minister and Greenland's foreign minister went to the White 172 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: House for a meeting with Vice President Jedie Vance and 173 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and that was kind of 174 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: seen that this culmination of all of these interesting dynamics 175 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: at play. 176 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: What came out of the meeting? What did we learn 177 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: from those discussions? 178 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: Like, not much to be honest, I mean, the statements 179 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: to reporters outside was that there are quote fundamentals disagreements 180 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: between the parties and we didn't manage to change the 181 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: American position. That was a quote from Denmark's foreign minister. 182 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: But the two sides did agree to create a working group. 183 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: We love working groups in government. It's a way to 184 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: really elongate all of these discussions, huh. And the Denmark 185 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: Foreign minister said that this group should focus on how 186 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: to address the American security concerns while at the same 187 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: time respecting the red lines of the Kingdom. Of Denmark. 188 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: So an open dialogue, keep the chat going. But there's 189 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: been no breakthrough an. 190 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: Open dialogue, but some very clear language still from both sides, 191 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: the US maintaining it wants Greenland, Greenland maintaining it's not 192 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: for sale, Denmark maintaining it will hold on to Greenland. 193 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: You mentioned at the top that NATO allies have weighed in. 194 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: Some have even been deploying their own personnel to Greenland 195 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: to increase the military presence there. Tell me about that. 196 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: I mean that's a massive development, right. I mean it's 197 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: one thing to say that we will back upland Denmark 198 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: when they are under threat. It's another thing to actually 199 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: put boots on the ground preemptively. And that's exactly what's happened. 200 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: So Sweden's Prime minister has announced that there are some 201 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: Swedish armed forces in Greenland. Norway is sending a couple 202 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: of personnel. Germany has announced that it's sending a couple 203 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: of soldiers. And when we're talking small numbers here, yeah, 204 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: but it's a signal. And the signal is we're not 205 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: all talk as NATO, we are actually willing to stand 206 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,599 Speaker 1: up against the US in this tiny island. 207 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 2: And a signal from some very prominent European players. 208 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's as much a show of solidarity with 209 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: Denmark as it is against the US. So we've heard 210 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: from the leaders of France, Germany, Italy, Poland, Spain, the 211 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: United Kingdom and Denmark. They released this joint statement and 212 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: they all said that the principles of not only the 213 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: NATO Charter but the UN Charter need to be upheld 214 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: here and the last line of the statement said Greenland 215 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: belongs to its people. There was one body that went 216 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,359 Speaker 1: a little bit further, and that's the European Union Commissioner 217 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: for Defense and Space. He said that any US military 218 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: takeover of Greenland would be quote at the end of NATO. 219 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: So not mincing words there. This is nothing to be 220 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: too alarmed about because there's a working group, so we're good, 221 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: We're going to chat. But it is a really interesting situation. 222 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, massive geopolitical consequences whichever way things go. Where do 223 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 2: things stand now we've had that meeting, Not a lot 224 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: came of it, a lot of uncertainty remaining. 225 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, what next? Well, I think that it now is 226 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: past the point of trying to get either party to 227 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: change a position. So we know that now both are entrenched, 228 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: and now I think what's going to happen is it's 229 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: going to become more of a political topic in the 230 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: US and a batel over whether the US actually wants 231 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,079 Speaker 1: to put army on the line, to put money and 232 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: resources behind this, or whether they kind of have so 233 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: many other spotfires in the world. I mean, there's the 234 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: growing conflict in Iran that the US are thinking about on. 235 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 1: You've got Venezuela, which they captured the president of only 236 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. So many different global conflicts now, but 237 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: it's clear from Trump's language that Greenland is the one 238 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: be in his bonnet that he really wants to focus on. 239 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, and after campaigning so heavily on ending global conflicts 240 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 2: and reducing US involvement in said global conflicts, it'd be 241 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 2: interesting to see how American voters and how Congress responds. 242 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, a freezing place with fifty six 243 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: thousand people is now really the center of the world. 244 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for unpacking that for us today. Sam, 245 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: such a helpful explainer, and I'm sure a lot of 246 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 2: people really appreciated that. Thanks Sam, Thank you for listening 247 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: to today's Deep Dive. That's all we've got time for, 248 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: but we will be back a little later on with 249 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: your evening news headlines. Until then, have a great day. 250 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 251 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcottin woman from Gadigal Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 252 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the land of the 253 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: Gadigal people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestrate 254 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: island and nations. 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