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<v Speaker 1>The Flex and Rooms daily podcast Tay Freaks currently eating

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<v Speaker 1>a mandarin that a woman called Cat brought into the office.

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<v Speaker 1>It's from her family's mandarin tree. This thing is both

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<v Speaker 1>the juiciest and the most sour thing I've ever tried,

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<v Speaker 1>and es little sour will worm lollies FLEXI, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But fruit, I'm such a fruit stand.

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<v Speaker 3>Every time I eat fruit, I have this really, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like it's like a spiritual moment for me where

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<v Speaker 3>I don't experience gratitude as often as I do than

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<v Speaker 3>when I'm eating fruit. I'm like, how number one of

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<v Speaker 3>the colors. I'm just obsessed with the flavor and the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that, like, I'm eating these grapes at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>And someone on the internet told me that these are

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<v Speaker 3>genetically modified grapes, so they're built for purpose per ones. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>So these I don't know what they're called. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they're called sweeties or something. But they're more of an

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<v Speaker 3>oval shape and they don't have seeds, and they're really

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<v Speaker 3>really juicy and sour. But they're genetically modified because they're

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<v Speaker 3>off seasons. Well that's why they're also so expensive, I

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<v Speaker 3>meaning robot grapes.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now. But even that, I'm like.

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<v Speaker 1>What a gift to the world. I think you like

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<v Speaker 1>them because they are expensive? No, because I like oranges.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you eat fruit growing up? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>What type oranges? Apples? But I think I used to

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<v Speaker 3>think I really liked apples.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually they're too hit and miss me so oranges, apples,

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<v Speaker 3>strawberries and passion fruit and nectarines.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, maybe they're plums. Actually, you have.

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<v Speaker 1>More sour profile all the ones. You're saying it got

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<v Speaker 1>a bitter Yeah, bitter, actually just sour. My favorite is

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<v Speaker 1>bananas that have the one every time, every single morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of banana and blueberries, they don't really hit the

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<v Speaker 1>spot though, very hit and miss.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to, they need to genetically modify those.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I think fruit is the best, the best, best, best,

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<v Speaker 3>best thing that the world could offer us in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of like natural stuff. That and then dragons, because I

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<v Speaker 3>refuse believe that dragons aren't real. How can dinosaurs be

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<v Speaker 3>real and dragons aren't real? That doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of like reminds me of how people are,

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<v Speaker 1>like I believe in super supernatural things. I'm like, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the world crazy? Enough as is the dinosaurs crazy enough

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<v Speaker 1>as is? Yeah, what happened at an extra layer? I

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<v Speaker 1>just use your imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe in the Locknest Monster?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Probably, I think I'm from there. Oh your community,

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<v Speaker 1>my big poppies. Mum was Scottish. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>nice she was.

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<v Speaker 2>What's that gonna do it anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Leave her out of it. The Scottish people are quaking anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>This is not at all at the segment.

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<v Speaker 3>What tonight's segment is about podcast I know to segments

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<v Speaker 3>and breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Like these people know what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring them in on the industry lingo as I learned

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<v Speaker 1>on myself. I'm gonna talk about be Real as you

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<v Speaker 1>know everyone, I'm obsessed with be Real on my story

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<v Speaker 1>there that day, I gave her how to how to download.

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<v Speaker 2>Very helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope there was a bit of an uptick I

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<v Speaker 1>reckon there was for season conversion. But we're gonna give

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<v Speaker 1>our personal opinions on be Real as Flexi says. We

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<v Speaker 1>could go on and on and on about this topic,

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<v Speaker 1>but we had to get out most things.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about you do a whole episode on

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<v Speaker 1>Citrus for it. Oh yeah, facts let's do it anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to it. Listen to this jump Scared Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Froods. We were speaking about be Real yesterday on

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<v Speaker 1>the show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about to be our new TikTok. The thoughts I

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<v Speaker 3>have about it come through abundantly and often. We both

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<v Speaker 3>have different takes on be Real. Just for a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of clarity, I downloaded be Real. I reckon early adopter.

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<v Speaker 1>I was an early adopter, not like a sixteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old adopter like I wasn't that early, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely one of the first, I would say, in our

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<v Speaker 1>generation to make the.

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<v Speaker 2>Leap person our generation.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as Elon Musk could posted about it, you

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<v Speaker 1>were on it. He posted about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the time. I thought. That's how he found

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<v Speaker 2>out about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nah, I can't remember how I found out about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Elon Musk posted a screenshot of the app Store trying

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<v Speaker 3>to plug his own app, and then it was a

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<v Speaker 3>chart of the top apps in the same section, and

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<v Speaker 3>be Real was.

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<v Speaker 2>The number two or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's so it was like that residual clout. Well, so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about it the other day and your feelings

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<v Speaker 1>about it, my feelings towards be Real majority positive. I

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<v Speaker 1>downloaded it all that time ago and stopped using it,

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<v Speaker 1>mainly because my friends weren't on it, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>early on accepted a lot of randoms. So what I

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<v Speaker 1>did I got be Real put on the story. Why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't I make clear that I'm an early adopter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to brag, of course, so I put it

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<v Speaker 1>up me being too hot, cool out doing a be

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<v Speaker 1>Real accepted a whole bunch of people started to become

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<v Speaker 1>a bit not very fun. Yeah, anyway, So then I

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<v Speaker 1>came back two weeks ago, deleted everyone except for the

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<v Speaker 1>people that I know personally and have started posting, and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't missed a single day. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>the antithesis of what you're saying, Like, I think it

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<v Speaker 1>really is off the cuff and it's fun and it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why I love it is quite a while ago,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in a great chat with girls that I

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<v Speaker 1>used to work with, and we do this thing where

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<v Speaker 1>at a random time a day, we'd say selfie. Now

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<v Speaker 1>we all work at different places and we'd all have

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<v Speaker 1>to do a selfie of whatever we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fun, and it worked so.

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<v Speaker 1>Well because we knew everything about each other. We knew

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<v Speaker 1>every little dirty thing we'd ever done. So that was no,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a bit of a that was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a rug rat at work in my early days,

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<v Speaker 1>running around farting, jumping on things, being silly anyway, So

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<v Speaker 1>the way that I've curated my be Real means that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to pretend that I'm ever doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>fun or exciting. It's purely just like a group chat

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't actually have to put any effort into.

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<v Speaker 1>You just open your phone, click something, look what everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else is doing, and then leave that app. Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not addicted to be Real.

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<v Speaker 2>Not yet.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the year was twenty twelve. We said, what

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<v Speaker 3>is this photo sharre? Now you know, look and for context.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have a problem with be Real the app,

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<v Speaker 3>but I have a problem with the conversation around the

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<v Speaker 3>app and how people frame it as we should do

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<v Speaker 3>this map, this mass exodus away from TikTok and oh

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sam leave that No no, But that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, as in, like, my issue is not with

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<v Speaker 3>be Real the app, but the fact that the conversation

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<v Speaker 3>around it is how like be Real is the antithesis

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<v Speaker 3>to Instagram and TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the savior.

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<v Speaker 3>It's everything that that platform isn't in the best way possible.

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<v Speaker 3>It's honest, and it's authentic, and it's off the cuff

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<v Speaker 3>and it's natural, just as those platforms once were before

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<v Speaker 3>the whole world started using them and before they got monetized.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how many people do you have on your be Real?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's actually check, because I did make the similar mistake

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<v Speaker 3>to you by letting Rando's in, which is no shade.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't care what I have.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to if I want to see what randos

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<v Speaker 3>are doing, I want to see them living like real,

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<v Speaker 3>exciting lives. I don't want to see the back of

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<v Speaker 3>a Rando's iMac, I'm not interested.

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<v Speaker 1>While we're on this topic, my friend Louis Henson, who's

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<v Speaker 1>a comedian and a writer and stuff, he messaged me

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<v Speaker 1>other day sang, what is be Real? I said, get it?

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<v Speaker 2>I get it?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, but only add people that you know. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>puts it on his story he's got like a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>fat friends now and be real?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you find the friends?

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<v Speaker 1>You go to the arrow on the left, press the

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<v Speaker 1>friend button up on the left. Okay, yep, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see suggestions friends or requests. Requests, so suggestions like

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<v Speaker 1>people in your contacts, which can be quite triggering.

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<v Speaker 2>Rogue ones in there.

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<v Speaker 3>And then yeah, we've got friends and requests. It just

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<v Speaker 3>says fifty plus friends. Doesn't say the number.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh damn. You might have to go and do some purging,

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<v Speaker 1>some cleansing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all good.

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<v Speaker 1>But so far I've been enjoying it. Like the social

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<v Speaker 1>element to it, and I like that you do minimal

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<v Speaker 1>effort and it's a good way to stay tuned to

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<v Speaker 1>what my friends are doing all around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like I said, I'll be down for the ride.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see how it evolves. I think my

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<v Speaker 3>main concern is I don't think people realize that what

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<v Speaker 3>they hate about social media is them.

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<v Speaker 1>You are the problem. You are the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So until you change and your habits change, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>infect every app you go and visit.

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<v Speaker 1>Heavy flex and frooms. So FLEXI, I have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a dilemma for you. It's been sent in

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<v Speaker 1>by somebody who's an Internet national student. Okay, so go off,

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<v Speaker 1>Queen my lenard sis and this is what she says.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to give her a little bit of advice

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<v Speaker 1>because she's coming to us with their dilemma.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been with my boyfriend for two years, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of this month, he'll be leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>country for two months to go back to his home

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<v Speaker 1>country and then come back here. They're hot, going on

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<v Speaker 1>a holiday. Yeah, I believe he's the term. I depend

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<v Speaker 1>on him a lot, and for the past six months

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<v Speaker 1>we were staying at the sharehouse and we both have

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<v Speaker 1>our own private rooms so we can have our privacy.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that more separate bedrooms for couples.

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<v Speaker 1>We're both international students. I don't have a family here

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<v Speaker 1>and he's my only friend. I'm an interrept and it

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<v Speaker 1>takes time for me to trust people. He will be

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<v Speaker 1>staying right now with his relatives before his flight, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's alone already. It's just hitting me now how I've

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<v Speaker 1>been relying on him, and I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>handle this loneliness I'm feeling right now. I know two

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<v Speaker 1>months is a short time, but I'm not sure how

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to handle myself being alone. Does anyone have

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<v Speaker 1>advice for me on how to handle this emotion that's sad.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sad because it's such a small amount of time

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<v Speaker 1>and she's really worried about.

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<v Speaker 3>It even before we get to that point, Like I was, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought the two months was gonna be like.

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<v Speaker 1>OHI are you gonna cove like keep yourself busy or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But it seems that this person has set their life

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<v Speaker 3>up around this idea of having this one person be

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<v Speaker 3>your support system, your friend, your partner, your entertainment, your

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<v Speaker 3>safe space. And now they're leaving period not just for

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<v Speaker 3>one week's two weeks, one week's one weeks, one week,

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<v Speaker 3>two weeks, three weeks, eight weeks might already gone now,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you're gonna have to figure out how you

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<v Speaker 3>do life. It's too many things to unravel at once.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to know what your answer is for this one,

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<v Speaker 3>because I feel like I'm not equipped for this. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a big like I like my own space. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to be hanging out too much, and like I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to do long distance that can kind of girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the term is avoidant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's doing the right thing by reaching out

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<v Speaker 1>and asking people what to do. Yeah, I this is

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<v Speaker 1>my mo for when I'm struggling. I ask questions. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the only way to I think if you're

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions, it's an enormous step in the right direction

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<v Speaker 1>of making yourself happier for the worst things. Denying it.

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<v Speaker 1>She could deny that she's lonely, play ruinescape, perhaps some

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<v Speaker 1>sims on origin depends what your poison is. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but she's actively taking steps. I think she should use

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<v Speaker 1>this time like, be kind in yourself. Don't tell yourself sure, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got to go out and make a million friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Just sit and think, Yeah, damn, I don't really like

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<v Speaker 1>this feeling. So maybe when my boyfriend comes back, we

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<v Speaker 1>can go and do things as a couple and meet

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<v Speaker 1>new people. That's probably a nice step to give yourself

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<v Speaker 1>the comfort blanket. Obviously he's been a comfort blanket in

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<v Speaker 1>and of himself. So use him now to leverage off

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<v Speaker 1>and meet some new friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Use as a jump off for use him, be opportunistic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that's a good point. But what about you

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<v Speaker 3>know two months that we're creeping into the holidays, So

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<v Speaker 3>what do you think if there was one thing she

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<v Speaker 3>could do to make him feel better about her circumstance

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<v Speaker 3>right now?

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<v Speaker 2>What could be helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>Eat ice cream. Yeah, that's what I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say get active in the comments. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>just in the comments of social media posts. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like that can give the illusion of some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>friendship or relationship, getting notifications, you know, being active in

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of environment with other people. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>like a little microdose of connection and community.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you certainly on the right track on Reddit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>asking questions and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that'll work out really really well, and

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<v Speaker 3>especially do it in an environment where you're really entertained.

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<v Speaker 3>So if I was feeling similarly, I would definitely join

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<v Speaker 3>like a podcast, Facebook group or a discord server or

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<v Speaker 3>a twitch stream. Get the human connection of the content creator,

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<v Speaker 3>but also all the people who are there for a

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<v Speaker 3>like minded reason and just get involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I've definitely done that before and it's been helpful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>be very educational at times. Two Birds on Stone used

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<v Speaker 1>to just like, pretend like you're in life university for

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Two Yeah, be a student, do a social experiment. See

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<v Speaker 3>what like, Yeah, try something new.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>But she could enjoy this is flex and frooms on

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks ago. I was interviewed by Mark Boris, who,

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<v Speaker 3>for those of you who don't know, the host of

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<v Speaker 3>Celebrity Apprentice Australia and The Apprentice Australia and like this

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<v Speaker 3>huge businessman person. And the consensus of the interview overwhelmingly positive.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone loves it. But there have been a few rogue comments.

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<v Speaker 3>People saying, oh, this is so odd, what a weird crossover, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a businessman, and like you do this?

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<v Speaker 1>Mescuse miss Scussie, me scusie, who is saying this?

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<v Speaker 2>I've had this conversation today.

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<v Speaker 3>What I find to be really odd is that, like

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like young people, especially we do a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of work around changing the perceptions of what things should

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<v Speaker 3>look like, you know, like this is like not all

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<v Speaker 3>women look like this, not all workplaces should look like this,

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<v Speaker 3>not all professional people should look like this. But in

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<v Speaker 3>practice and like, you're telling on yourself, babe, you're telling

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<v Speaker 3>on yourself. Because to some people who had this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of perception, it was phrases almost like a it is

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<v Speaker 3>so cool that you could be in a space like.

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<v Speaker 2>That, like why would he want to talk to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>Mabe, who do you think? Like what do you think

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<v Speaker 3>the business landscape looks like once the old people die me,

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<v Speaker 3>people just like me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm your boss, babe, IM figning your check.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Fully, people do not realize what you do. It

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<v Speaker 1>comes to a shock to many people that you run businesses,

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<v Speaker 1>that you do all this stuff outside of big on

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<v Speaker 1>the internet, which is so.

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<v Speaker 3>Odd because when how where am I meant to start

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<v Speaker 3>flexing that? Clearly there's like a it's like if it's communication,

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<v Speaker 3>if I am too blame the fact that people don't

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<v Speaker 3>know that I'm poppin' on the entrepreneurship side. What is

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<v Speaker 3>a solution? Obviously, I've taken a step a page of

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<v Speaker 3>your book. I joined LinkedIn. Yep, congrat very excited, change

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<v Speaker 3>the game. I actually did have a LinkedIn once deleted it.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I'm an entrepreneur. I don't need this. Turns

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<v Speaker 3>out I do. I'm still curating my feed accepting connections.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that's step one. It needs to be clear.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know what is the most embarrassing thing to

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<v Speaker 3>have to say, check my credentials?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I want of having credentials, so I don't need to

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<v Speaker 3>remind you to check them.

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<v Speaker 1>How is it like meeting him? What's his vibe?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, it's fantastic, so charming, so engaging. A few people

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<v Speaker 3>are under the impression that, you know, maybe like is

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<v Speaker 3>he like some boomer who was like talking at you?

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<v Speaker 3>Not too And I was like, no, not even a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to it. You spoke three quarters of the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because you were a guest, and I heard you even

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<v Speaker 1>discuss that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were talking about this, this idea of because

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<v Speaker 3>he was saying off air that he had had experiences

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<v Speaker 3>where people like, oh, you know, let the guests speak

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<v Speaker 3>type of thing, you know, like we're here to hear

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<v Speaker 3>the guests.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it goes either way.

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<v Speaker 3>I was very impressed by how understood I felt, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>by someone who would be perceived to be like the

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<v Speaker 3>complete contrast to who I am and what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if the kind of stuff you do requires

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<v Speaker 1>kind of some research and some googling because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>far away from like a usual business model or a

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<v Speaker 1>usual like way up into business. Whereas if someone was

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<v Speaker 1>doing like a clothing label, maybe then they would kind

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<v Speaker 1>of make them they would misconstrue what you're doing. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking in terms of Mark Boris. Yeah, it's because it's

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<v Speaker 1>so far out, he would have either had to look

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<v Speaker 1>at you from a long you know, watch you for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, or do proper googling Google's word done.

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<v Speaker 3>You could tell really Google were hat that's okay, you

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<v Speaker 3>get it? Like this wasn't like a so tell me

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<v Speaker 3>what you do? And then I'm like, okay, so which

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<v Speaker 3>bit did you research? I fill in the blank? You

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<v Speaker 3>know he got it. I listened really validating.

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to it on the way here, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was really cool how you actually explained your

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<v Speaker 1>way up. I think often we're asked these questions of

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<v Speaker 1>how did you start? And I've heard your story before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I hadn't heard it in that amount of detail.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like he facilitated a space where that

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<v Speaker 1>amount of detail was appreciated. And as a listener, I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely did. I got a better understanding of how your

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<v Speaker 1>brain works, where you came from, how the skills that

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<v Speaker 1>you have now were informed by decisions that you made

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<v Speaker 1>when you were younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Hotty behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a really great and I'm really halfway

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<v Speaker 1>in spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know me now, so you've got the

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<v Speaker 3>spoiler alert. But it's amazing that you're on Banshee. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that comes through. Yeah facts, I hope does anyway, So

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<v Speaker 3>shout out to that interview. You really enjoyed it. This

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<v Speaker 3>begins phase one of me creating a whole brand transition.

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<v Speaker 3>I need no one to know that I was once

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<v Speaker 3>a DJ award winning influencer, TV presenter. Just know that

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<v Speaker 3>the income streams are diversified and I am, above all things,

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<v Speaker 3>a great business woman.

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<v Speaker 2>We're pivoting, pivoting always.

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<v Speaker 1>This is flex and frooms on Kita. Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I try to take a lot of success advice too, seriously,

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<v Speaker 3>considering a lot of what we do has not been

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<v Speaker 3>done before, you know, making money off being yourself, exploiting

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<v Speaker 3>your vessel for commercial gain, rare, rare, unique or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But I did come across this video that struck a

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<v Speaker 3>chord with me because I think it's broad enough that

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<v Speaker 3>it can actually be appealing to the average person.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just this hyper specific.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just play the tape.

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<v Speaker 4>If it doesn't ship, it doesn't count. Tomorrow morning, we're thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>There's going to be a post on my blog. Not

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<v Speaker 4>because it's the best post I ever wrote, but because

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<v Speaker 4>it's tomorrow morning. Because I decided twenty years ago to

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<v Speaker 4>write a post every day, and I haven't revisited that decision.

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<v Speaker 4>I made that decision once, and seven thousand blog posts later,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have to have a meeting with myself about

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<v Speaker 4>whether this is good enough to publish. I just have

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<v Speaker 4>to say, is this the best available post I've got.

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<v Speaker 4>If it is, I publish it. And it turns out

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<v Speaker 4>the ones that I slave over the hardest, that I

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<v Speaker 4>am sure are perfect, don't resonate, and the ones I

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<v Speaker 4>write in five minutes because I've had a busy go

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<v Speaker 4>like crazy. I have no idea, I'm wrong all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>but I ship the work.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, not all of us are trying to be writers

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<v Speaker 3>or publishers. But what I did resonate with is that

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<v Speaker 3>this guy made one decision twenty years ago and he's

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<v Speaker 3>stuck with it. And I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 3>looking for that shortcut to you know, the big success moment.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we'll switch it around, we'll change the strategy,

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<v Speaker 3>will peeve that it will be agile, will be open

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<v Speaker 3>to changing things, and we forget that consistency usually is

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<v Speaker 3>the reason why people get to where they're trying to go,

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<v Speaker 3>because they decided to do it once, and they kept

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<v Speaker 3>doing it until they until it made sense, until it resonant,

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<v Speaker 3>until it worked totally.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite upsetting if you're somebody who doesn't like doing

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<v Speaker 1>things over and over again, because it's very true, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's particularly true in the social media Internet age, where

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<v Speaker 1>consistency is not only rewarded with your ability to create constantly,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's actually helps you to with the algorithm.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, think of anything.

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<v Speaker 3>If I was going to be a trade like you

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<v Speaker 3>do your apprenticeship, that's just you know, three years of

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<v Speaker 3>doing the same thing again and again and again and

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<v Speaker 3>again again ntil.

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<v Speaker 2>You get it.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's gonna take that long because you need to practice.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, the idea of ten thousand hours. How this

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<v Speaker 3>idea that if you want to be proficient at something,

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<v Speaker 3>invest ten thousand hours and you'll be really great at it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we're all looking for our one hundred hour,

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<v Speaker 3>our one thousand hour, not recognizing that it probably will

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<v Speaker 3>take you that long to be great. I always say,

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<v Speaker 3>when I started DJing almost ten years ago, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think I was good till three years in.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody told me, nobody said I had to figure it out,

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<v Speaker 1>which is good that they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good they probably wouldn't have kept doing it. That

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't bad. It just wasn't good.

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<v Speaker 3>And it actually took that much djaying full time for years,

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<v Speaker 3>So you're like, no, I'm amazing at this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the biggest thing that holds people back

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<v Speaker 1>from starting and trying. I think it's the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>cuts the wheat from the chaff.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that the expression I don't know, but I like

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<v Speaker 2>the way that sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's right.

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<v Speaker 2>Is yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Consistency and the ability to put things out there that

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<v Speaker 1>you're not one hundred percent proud of. So I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a friend called Michael Bev Mickey B seven two three

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<v Speaker 1>who he's a writer. He used to be on a

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<v Speaker 1>Big Brother. Yes, that's how he came to my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the redheaded guy that came in first in

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty thirteen series. Very funny, very smart, very clever,

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<v Speaker 1>genius behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>We love him.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a bit of a genius, isn't he. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>just really good at writing and being very He writes

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<v Speaker 1>how he speaks, which is such an incredible skill on

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural nose. And actually, the day after I got

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<v Speaker 1>my redundant in twenty twenty. I called him and I

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<v Speaker 1>said to him, I'm freaking out what do I do?

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<v Speaker 1>And I told him this idea that I had that

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<v Speaker 1>I really wanted to make, and it was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do a show. My goal I'm gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>like a variety show. I want flex Mummy to be

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<v Speaker 1>in it. That was one of the people, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I Reckon likes truthless. I had all these people

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<v Speaker 1>written down that I ended up going on to work with,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of like, you know, one of the goals. Yeah, serendipitous.

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<v Speaker 1>But what he told me was a thing called minimum

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<v Speaker 1>viable product. Try and if you're listening to this, try

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<v Speaker 1>and say minimum viable product.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't do it again without thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite difficult for minimum will problem no, So you

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<v Speaker 1>see it's on. So that refers to just making something,

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<v Speaker 1>making the something with whatever you've got, making it like

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter if it's the shittest thing you've ever made,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as you've made something and doing what you

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<v Speaker 1>need to do with it, whether that's put it out

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<v Speaker 1>there or write it down or send it to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>or give it to somebody. And what it helps you

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<v Speaker 1>do is it just helps you get into the rhythm

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<v Speaker 1>of actually making things, and it takes away the self

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<v Speaker 1>criticism because I think, especially with creative things, no matter

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<v Speaker 1>where you are on your creative journey, you could be

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<v Speaker 1>first starting, you could be a Uni sudent, you could

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<v Speaker 1>be where we are right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Talum, Well, we're both here on CAT so I'll take that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>where I am right now is like I definitely still

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<v Speaker 1>have moments where I freak out about posting things or

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<v Speaker 1>writing things because I need a lot of validation I

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<v Speaker 1>always have, and it kind of goes to show that

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<v Speaker 1>never goes away. So never create with the idea in

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<v Speaker 1>mind that one day it's going to be easy, because

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<v Speaker 1>it never is, but instead brutal. Yeah, but that's rud

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a really that you're seeing you enjoy No,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can enjoy yourself when you live by

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<v Speaker 1>the minimum viable product mindset and just know that take

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure and take comfort in knowing that you're always going

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<v Speaker 1>to feel like something's not perfect and only doing things

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<v Speaker 1>because they're perfect, and like not wanting to be cringe.

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<v Speaker 1>That comes into it as well, like needing it to

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<v Speaker 1>be the best thing you've ever you've ever made. Meeting it,

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<v Speaker 1>needing it to be better than other people's thing is

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<v Speaker 1>such a trap. And yeah, if you do, if you

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<v Speaker 1>try to do something every day. I also the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't like about that advice though, is it

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<v Speaker 1>the advice you just gave, no, the advice of the

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<v Speaker 1>other guy MVP or this one this one? Just keep

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<v Speaker 1>doing it one bit of day, one bit of day. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because also I think if you're someone that wants to

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<v Speaker 1>try really hard and like take these kind of things

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<v Speaker 1>as gospel, like you said, you don't take stuff as gospel,

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<v Speaker 1>you could feel bad about not doing things every day.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, I'm going to Europe for three weeks in September.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah see, I've mentioned every single podcast with done, but

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<v Speaker 1>my plan to you exact date too freaking me out

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<v Speaker 1>every time I'm taking a private jet, so you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to see it. Something that I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>is take three weeks off hot, which is actually like

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<v Speaker 1>harder than you think because I've got all these jobs

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<v Speaker 1>on the go, like ongoing jobs and deadlines and things

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<v Speaker 1>that I need to post. But I'm making a conscious

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<v Speaker 1>decision to let everybody know that I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>completely off the grid. I'm getting a digital camera. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to reply to emails because I want

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<v Speaker 1>to prove to myself that it's possible to completely stop

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing. And just because you stop it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean you're the You're not that person. For example, you

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<v Speaker 1>know there's actors who act in one thing and then

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, oh, I can't call myself an actor. It's like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you can. You can call yourself whatever you want, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you've just done it once. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be like a Politzer Prize winning journalist to be a journalist.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't need to be doing something that we do.

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<v Speaker 1>You know you can do it even if you take

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<v Speaker 1>a six month break a sabbatical I think might make

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<v Speaker 1>you a bit behind chill. If you enjoy what doing

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<v Speaker 1>what you're doing, then the journey's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. I feel for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all a bit tricky, I will say though.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the trickiest things about knowing your capacity is

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<v Speaker 3>knowing your skills. And so whether you are the one

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<v Speaker 3>post to day, the one you know, shipping away a

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<v Speaker 3>little project or doing the biggest thing ever, know what

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<v Speaker 3>you can actually achieve with your own capability because some

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<v Speaker 3>of you big idea bitches don't have big idea skills.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a big idea infrastructure of people get big

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<v Speaker 1>idea resources, big idea networks.

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<v Speaker 3>You just don't have it like that, And that's all good,

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<v Speaker 3>but know that Another big thing too, I find is

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<v Speaker 3>when people are on the beginning of their journey, stop

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<v Speaker 3>trying to get everyone to drown with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, everyone's got this big idea I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna get this is involving this person involved, and we

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<v Speaker 3>can do this, we can do that, and it's all

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<v Speaker 3>great hypothetically, but test with your own labor, your own skills,

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<v Speaker 3>your own time, and then when you feel confident that

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<v Speaker 3>you can add value to someone else, bring them in.

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<v Speaker 3>Unless you're a group of people who are like, we're

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<v Speaker 3>always going to like mess around a bit, we have

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to lose. But I do see that a lot

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<v Speaker 3>where someone's like, I don't have anything, but you have something,

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<v Speaker 3>and you could help me with this, so can I

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<v Speaker 3>can you give me help?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like, well, you giving back totally make the

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<v Speaker 1>thing and then made me come Yeah, that's it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up. Mutual pleasure mutual benefit. So I love that

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to flex and Frooms on CATA. I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at newsletters the other day. I should be Subtex

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<v Speaker 1>should be paying me just some kind of kickback for

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<v Speaker 1>the amount, like at least they should give me money

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<v Speaker 1>for doing my everybody not aggressively like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we need all something for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling the vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was looking at this newsletter from new Weeek

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<v Speaker 1>Same Humans. It's the technology newsletter that we often speak

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<v Speaker 1>about on the show, and it wrote this. This viral

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<v Speaker 1>Twitter thread asked if an AI image generator is trained

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<v Speaker 1>on work by living artists, should those artists be compensated? Ooh, so,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, AI generators, they've become quite popular even

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<v Speaker 1>amongst us regular people lately, where, for example, you write

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<v Speaker 1>into this chatbot Jennifer Anison writing an elephant, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it will collate images from the Internet and create these

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<v Speaker 1>like conceptual, weird images of her writing a elephant. But

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<v Speaker 1>the elephant like has one eye and she's got like

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<v Speaker 1>three mouths.

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<v Speaker 3>And it minds all these images from what's available on

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<v Speaker 3>the world Wide Web.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm not sure where they get the images from.

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<v Speaker 1>Like is it what where's the search engine? Do they

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<v Speaker 1>have to have rights over what photos they use?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess it's what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>If they're just gathering all this data of you know, art,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have the commercial license for to make new art.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess they would get away with it because they're

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<v Speaker 3>not selling the art that's being made, so like the

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<v Speaker 3>copyright is still allowing them to use it in a

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<v Speaker 3>non commercial way.

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<v Speaker 1>But I get what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of reminds me when I bought my Samsung from

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<v Speaker 3>and I assumed the pictures were in the TV ready

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<v Speaker 3>to go, Like, you just buy the frame, the art

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<v Speaker 3>is in there, because for almost three K there's a

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<v Speaker 3>bit art in there. But no, you gotta get a

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<v Speaker 3>subscription what to access the art. Or you can buy

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<v Speaker 3>the art a one time fee. But you don't own

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<v Speaker 3>the art, you're just licensing to use it in your frame.

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<v Speaker 1>So wait a second, you can't like put a us

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<v Speaker 1>B in and put a random picture on there.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you can use your phone app to air drop

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<v Speaker 3>a picture to your frame and use your own images,

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<v Speaker 3>but you could do that with any TV really, like

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<v Speaker 3>I used with my old TV. I used to go

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<v Speaker 3>to YouTube type ingradient, let that play, you know, and

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<v Speaker 3>that was little you know five.

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<v Speaker 1>And jo old TV for this. I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a process.

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<v Speaker 3>I gotta become a subscriber, loan this art and if

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<v Speaker 3>you want a one time purchase, it's twenty five bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want any art that badly, especially when it's

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<v Speaker 3>not like contemporary art.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the classics. Oh, like you're buying like a Monet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know it's been rinsed.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Yeah, this is a broader conversation around artists and compensation,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly in the digital age. I was looking recently at

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<v Speaker 1>an artist on Instagram. I have to remember his name.

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<v Speaker 2>The clown guy.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, they always forget him, the clown guy. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Oliver Watts. So there's a guy called doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Oliver Watts. He's a painter in Australia. We follow each

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<v Speaker 1>other and I remember looking at his artwork and he

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<v Speaker 1>is also I think a lecture at university and he

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this really really interesting article about rights clearances with

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<v Speaker 1>artworks and how when you're watching a reality TV like

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<v Speaker 1>the Kardashians, you don't see what art is on their walls.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I don't get the clearances in time, so what

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<v Speaker 1>they do is they just blow them out. And the

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<v Speaker 1>issue with that is the artists don't get paid and

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<v Speaker 1>they don't get the get to be seen because getting

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<v Speaker 1>rights clearances take so much time. It's like when we

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<v Speaker 1>do work and we have to ask for permissions for

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<v Speaker 1>certain things, or you get usage periods when your branded work.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a whole other level that kind of you're damned

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<v Speaker 1>if you do and you're damned.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, articed, because then it's an extra cost too.

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<v Speaker 3>Like if I buy some art and I want to

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<v Speaker 3>show the art, but I can't show the art, and

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<v Speaker 3>I got to pay someone else to get to show

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<v Speaker 3>the art already bought with my own money.

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<v Speaker 1>I get why it's not happening. You've been listening to

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<v Speaker 1>the Flex and Frooms Daily podcast. For more, tune in

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