Speaker 1: The Flex and Rooms daily podcast Tay Freaks currently eating
Speaker 1: a mandarin that a woman called Cat brought into the office.
Speaker 1: It's from her family's mandarin tree. This thing is both
Speaker 1: the juiciest and the most sour thing I've ever tried,
Speaker 1: and es little sour will worm lollies FLEXI, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: But fruit, I'm such a fruit stand.
Speaker 3: Every time I eat fruit, I have this really, I
Speaker 3: feel like it's like a spiritual moment for me where
Speaker 3: I don't experience gratitude as often as I do than
Speaker 3: when I'm eating fruit. I'm like, how number one of
Speaker 3: the colors. I'm just obsessed with the flavor and the
Speaker 3: fact that, like, I'm eating these grapes at the moment.
Speaker 3: And someone on the internet told me that these are
Speaker 3: genetically modified grapes, so they're built for purpose per ones. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: So these I don't know what they're called. I think
Speaker 3: they're called sweeties or something. But they're more of an
Speaker 3: oval shape and they don't have seeds, and they're really
Speaker 3: really juicy and sour. But they're genetically modified because they're
Speaker 3: off seasons. Well that's why they're also so expensive, I
Speaker 3: meaning robot grapes.
Speaker 2: Right now. But even that, I'm like.
Speaker 1: What a gift to the world. I think you like
Speaker 1: them because they are expensive? No, because I like oranges.
Speaker 1: Did you eat fruit growing up? Yeah?
Speaker 3: What type oranges? Apples? But I think I used to
Speaker 3: think I really liked apples.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Actually they're too hit and miss me so oranges, apples,
Speaker 3: strawberries and passion fruit and nectarines.
Speaker 2: Oh no, maybe they're plums. Actually, you have.
Speaker 1: More sour profile all the ones. You're saying it got
Speaker 1: a bitter Yeah, bitter, actually just sour. My favorite is
Speaker 1: bananas that have the one every time, every single morning.
Speaker 1: Regardless of banana and blueberries, they don't really hit the
Speaker 1: spot though, very hit and miss.
Speaker 2: They need to, they need to genetically modify those.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think fruit is the best, the best, best, best,
Speaker 3: best thing that the world could offer us in terms
Speaker 3: of like natural stuff. That and then dragons, because I
Speaker 3: refuse believe that dragons aren't real. How can dinosaurs be
Speaker 3: real and dragons aren't real? That doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of like reminds me of how people are,
Speaker 1: like I believe in super supernatural things. I'm like, isn't
Speaker 1: the world crazy? Enough as is the dinosaurs crazy enough
Speaker 1: as is? Yeah, what happened at an extra layer? I
Speaker 1: just use your imagination.
Speaker 2: Do you believe in the Locknest Monster?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Probably, I think I'm from there. Oh your community,
Speaker 1: my big poppies. Mum was Scottish. I don't know how
Speaker 1: nice she was.
Speaker 2: What's that gonna do it anything?
Speaker 1: Leave her out of it. The Scottish people are quaking anyway,
Speaker 1: This is not at all at the segment.
Speaker 3: What tonight's segment is about podcast I know to segments
Speaker 3: and breaks.
Speaker 2: Like these people know what's happening.
Speaker 1: Bring them in on the industry lingo as I learned
Speaker 1: on myself. I'm gonna talk about be Real as you
Speaker 1: know everyone, I'm obsessed with be Real on my story
Speaker 1: there that day, I gave her how to how to download.
Speaker 2: Very helpful.
Speaker 1: I hope there was a bit of an uptick I
Speaker 1: reckon there was for season conversion. But we're gonna give
Speaker 1: our personal opinions on be Real as Flexi says. We
Speaker 1: could go on and on and on about this topic,
Speaker 1: but we had to get out most things.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you do a whole episode on
Speaker 1: Citrus for it. Oh yeah, facts let's do it anyway,
Speaker 1: Let's get to it. Listen to this jump Scared Flex
Speaker 1: and Froods. We were speaking about be Real yesterday on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: It's about to be our new TikTok. The thoughts I
Speaker 3: have about it come through abundantly and often. We both
Speaker 3: have different takes on be Real. Just for a bit
Speaker 3: of clarity, I downloaded be Real. I reckon early adopter.
Speaker 1: I was an early adopter, not like a sixteen year
Speaker 1: old adopter like I wasn't that early, but I was
Speaker 1: definitely one of the first, I would say, in our
Speaker 1: generation to make the.
Speaker 2: Leap person our generation.
Speaker 1: As soon as Elon Musk could posted about it, you
Speaker 1: were on it. He posted about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the time. I thought. That's how he found
Speaker 2: out about it.
Speaker 1: Nah, I can't remember how I found out about it.
Speaker 3: Elon Musk posted a screenshot of the app Store trying
Speaker 3: to plug his own app, and then it was a
Speaker 3: chart of the top apps in the same section, and
Speaker 3: be Real was.
Speaker 2: The number two or something.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's so it was like that residual clout. Well, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're talking about it the other day and your feelings
Speaker 1: about it, my feelings towards be Real majority positive. I
Speaker 1: downloaded it all that time ago and stopped using it,
Speaker 1: mainly because my friends weren't on it, and I had
Speaker 1: early on accepted a lot of randoms. So what I
Speaker 1: did I got be Real put on the story. Why
Speaker 1: didn't I make clear that I'm an early adopter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wanted to brag, of course, so I put it
Speaker 1: up me being too hot, cool out doing a be
Speaker 1: Real accepted a whole bunch of people started to become
Speaker 1: a bit not very fun. Yeah, anyway, So then I
Speaker 1: came back two weeks ago, deleted everyone except for the
Speaker 1: people that I know personally and have started posting, and
Speaker 1: I haven't missed a single day. And I think it's
Speaker 1: the antithesis of what you're saying, Like, I think it
Speaker 1: really is off the cuff and it's fun and it's exciting.
Speaker 1: The reason why I love it is quite a while ago,
Speaker 1: I was in a great chat with girls that I
Speaker 1: used to work with, and we do this thing where
Speaker 1: at a random time a day, we'd say selfie. Now
Speaker 1: we all work at different places and we'd all have
Speaker 1: to do a selfie of whatever we're doing.
Speaker 2: That's fun, and it worked so.
Speaker 1: Well because we knew everything about each other. We knew
Speaker 1: every little dirty thing we'd ever done. So that was no,
Speaker 1: that was a bit of a that was a bit
Speaker 1: of a rug rat at work in my early days,
Speaker 1: running around farting, jumping on things, being silly anyway, So
Speaker 1: the way that I've curated my be Real means that
Speaker 1: I don't have to pretend that I'm ever doing anything
Speaker 1: fun or exciting. It's purely just like a group chat
Speaker 1: that you don't actually have to put any effort into.
Speaker 1: You just open your phone, click something, look what everyone
Speaker 1: else is doing, and then leave that app. Like, I'm
Speaker 1: not addicted to be Real.
Speaker 2: Not yet.
Speaker 3: It was the year was twenty twelve. We said, what
Speaker 3: is this photo sharre? Now you know, look and for context.
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with be Real the app,
Speaker 3: but I have a problem with the conversation around the
Speaker 3: app and how people frame it as we should do
Speaker 3: this map, this mass exodus away from TikTok and oh
Speaker 3: I'm not sam leave that No no, But that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, as in, like, my issue is not with
Speaker 3: be Real the app, but the fact that the conversation
Speaker 3: around it is how like be Real is the antithesis
Speaker 3: to Instagram and TikTok.
Speaker 2: It's the savior.
Speaker 3: It's everything that that platform isn't in the best way possible.
Speaker 3: It's honest, and it's authentic, and it's off the cuff
Speaker 3: and it's natural, just as those platforms once were before
Speaker 3: the whole world started using them and before they got monetized.
Speaker 1: Okay, how many people do you have on your be Real?
Speaker 3: Let's actually check, because I did make the similar mistake
Speaker 3: to you by letting Rando's in, which is no shade.
Speaker 2: I just don't care what I have.
Speaker 3: I want to if I want to see what randos
Speaker 3: are doing, I want to see them living like real,
Speaker 3: exciting lives. I don't want to see the back of
Speaker 3: a Rando's iMac, I'm not interested.
Speaker 1: While we're on this topic, my friend Louis Henson, who's
Speaker 1: a comedian and a writer and stuff, he messaged me
Speaker 1: other day sang, what is be Real? I said, get it?
Speaker 2: I get it?
Speaker 1: I said, but only add people that you know. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: puts it on his story he's got like a thousand
Speaker 1: fat friends now and be real?
Speaker 2: How do you find the friends?
Speaker 1: You go to the arrow on the left, press the
Speaker 1: friend button up on the left. Okay, yep, and then
Speaker 1: you'll see suggestions friends or requests. Requests, so suggestions like
Speaker 1: people in your contacts, which can be quite triggering.
Speaker 2: Rogue ones in there.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, we've got friends and requests. It just
Speaker 3: says fifty plus friends. Doesn't say the number.
Speaker 1: Oh damn. You might have to go and do some purging,
Speaker 1: some cleansing.
Speaker 2: It's all good.
Speaker 1: But so far I've been enjoying it. Like the social
Speaker 1: element to it, and I like that you do minimal
Speaker 1: effort and it's a good way to stay tuned to
Speaker 1: what my friends are doing all around the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, I'll be down for the ride.
Speaker 3: I want to see how it evolves. I think my
Speaker 3: main concern is I don't think people realize that what
Speaker 3: they hate about social media is them.
Speaker 1: You are the problem. You are the problem.
Speaker 2: So until you change and your habits change, you're gonna
Speaker 2: infect every app you go and visit.
Speaker 1: Heavy flex and frooms. So FLEXI, I have a little
Speaker 1: bit of a dilemma for you. It's been sent in
Speaker 1: by somebody who's an Internet national student. Okay, so go off,
Speaker 1: Queen my lenard sis and this is what she says.
Speaker 1: We need to give her a little bit of advice
Speaker 1: because she's coming to us with their dilemma.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: So I've been with my boyfriend for two years, and
Speaker 1: at the end of this month, he'll be leaving the
Speaker 1: country for two months to go back to his home
Speaker 1: country and then come back here. They're hot, going on
Speaker 1: a holiday. Yeah, I believe he's the term. I depend
Speaker 1: on him a lot, and for the past six months
Speaker 1: we were staying at the sharehouse and we both have
Speaker 1: our own private rooms so we can have our privacy.
Speaker 3: I love that more separate bedrooms for couples.
Speaker 1: We're both international students. I don't have a family here
Speaker 1: and he's my only friend. I'm an interrept and it
Speaker 1: takes time for me to trust people. He will be
Speaker 1: staying right now with his relatives before his flight, so
Speaker 1: she's alone already. It's just hitting me now how I've
Speaker 1: been relying on him, and I don't know how to
Speaker 1: handle this loneliness I'm feeling right now. I know two
Speaker 1: months is a short time, but I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: I'm going to handle myself being alone. Does anyone have
Speaker 1: advice for me on how to handle this emotion that's sad.
Speaker 1: It's sad because it's such a small amount of time
Speaker 1: and she's really worried about.
Speaker 3: It even before we get to that point, Like I was, like,
Speaker 3: I thought the two months was gonna be like.
Speaker 1: OHI are you gonna cove like keep yourself busy or whatever.
Speaker 3: But it seems that this person has set their life
Speaker 3: up around this idea of having this one person be
Speaker 3: your support system, your friend, your partner, your entertainment, your
Speaker 3: safe space. And now they're leaving period not just for
Speaker 3: one week's two weeks, one week's one weeks, one week,
Speaker 3: two weeks, three weeks, eight weeks might already gone now,
Speaker 3: and then you're gonna have to figure out how you
Speaker 3: do life. It's too many things to unravel at once.
Speaker 3: I want to know what your answer is for this one,
Speaker 3: because I feel like I'm not equipped for this. I'm
Speaker 3: a big like I like my own space. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be hanging out too much, and like I
Speaker 3: would love to do long distance that can kind of girl.
Speaker 1: I believe the term is avoidant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think she's doing the right thing by reaching out
Speaker 1: and asking people what to do. Yeah, I this is
Speaker 1: my mo for when I'm struggling. I ask questions. I
Speaker 1: think it's the only way to I think if you're
Speaker 1: asking questions, it's an enormous step in the right direction
Speaker 1: of making yourself happier for the worst things. Denying it.
Speaker 1: She could deny that she's lonely, play ruinescape, perhaps some
Speaker 1: sims on origin depends what your poison is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but she's actively taking steps. I think she should use
Speaker 1: this time like, be kind in yourself. Don't tell yourself sure, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got to go out and make a million friends.
Speaker 1: Just sit and think, Yeah, damn, I don't really like
Speaker 1: this feeling. So maybe when my boyfriend comes back, we
Speaker 1: can go and do things as a couple and meet
Speaker 1: new people. That's probably a nice step to give yourself
Speaker 1: the comfort blanket. Obviously he's been a comfort blanket in
Speaker 1: and of himself. So use him now to leverage off
Speaker 1: and meet some new friends.
Speaker 3: Use as a jump off for use him, be opportunistic. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's a good point. But what about you
Speaker 3: know two months that we're creeping into the holidays, So
Speaker 3: what do you think if there was one thing she
Speaker 3: could do to make him feel better about her circumstance
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: What could be helpful.
Speaker 1: Eat ice cream. Yeah, that's what I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say get active in the comments. Oh,
Speaker 3: just in the comments of social media posts. I feel
Speaker 3: like that can give the illusion of some kind of
Speaker 3: friendship or relationship, getting notifications, you know, being active in
Speaker 3: some kind of environment with other people. I think that's
Speaker 3: like a little microdose of connection and community.
Speaker 1: Well you certainly on the right track on Reddit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: asking questions and whatnot.
Speaker 3: I feel like that'll work out really really well, and
Speaker 3: especially do it in an environment where you're really entertained.
Speaker 3: So if I was feeling similarly, I would definitely join
Speaker 3: like a podcast, Facebook group or a discord server or
Speaker 3: a twitch stream. Get the human connection of the content creator,
Speaker 3: but also all the people who are there for a
Speaker 3: like minded reason and just get involved.
Speaker 1: I've definitely done that before and it's been helpful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be very educational at times. Two Birds on Stone used
Speaker 1: to just like, pretend like you're in life university for
Speaker 1: two weeks.
Speaker 3: Two Yeah, be a student, do a social experiment. See
Speaker 3: what like, Yeah, try something new.
Speaker 1: I personally wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: But she could enjoy this is flex and frooms on
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago. I was interviewed by Mark Boris, who,
Speaker 3: for those of you who don't know, the host of
Speaker 3: Celebrity Apprentice Australia and The Apprentice Australia and like this
Speaker 3: huge businessman person. And the consensus of the interview overwhelmingly positive.
Speaker 2: Everyone loves it. But there have been a few rogue comments.
Speaker 3: People saying, oh, this is so odd, what a weird crossover, Like.
Speaker 2: He's a businessman, and like you do this?
Speaker 1: Mescuse miss Scussie, me scusie, who is saying this?
Speaker 2: I've had this conversation today.
Speaker 3: What I find to be really odd is that, like
Speaker 3: I feel like young people, especially we do a lot
Speaker 3: of work around changing the perceptions of what things should
Speaker 3: look like, you know, like this is like not all
Speaker 3: women look like this, not all workplaces should look like this,
Speaker 3: not all professional people should look like this. But in
Speaker 3: practice and like, you're telling on yourself, babe, you're telling
Speaker 3: on yourself. Because to some people who had this kind
Speaker 3: of perception, it was phrases almost like a it is
Speaker 3: so cool that you could be in a space like.
Speaker 2: That, like why would he want to talk to you?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 3: Mabe, who do you think? Like what do you think
Speaker 3: the business landscape looks like once the old people die me,
Speaker 3: people just like me.
Speaker 2: I'm your boss, babe, IM figning your check.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Fully, people do not realize what you do. It
Speaker 1: comes to a shock to many people that you run businesses,
Speaker 1: that you do all this stuff outside of big on
Speaker 1: the internet, which is so.
Speaker 3: Odd because when how where am I meant to start
Speaker 3: flexing that? Clearly there's like a it's like if it's communication,
Speaker 3: if I am too blame the fact that people don't
Speaker 3: know that I'm poppin' on the entrepreneurship side. What is
Speaker 3: a solution? Obviously, I've taken a step a page of
Speaker 3: your book. I joined LinkedIn. Yep, congrat very excited, change
Speaker 3: the game. I actually did have a LinkedIn once deleted it.
Speaker 3: I said, I'm an entrepreneur. I don't need this. Turns
Speaker 3: out I do. I'm still curating my feed accepting connections.
Speaker 3: But I think that's step one. It needs to be clear.
Speaker 3: Do you know what is the most embarrassing thing to
Speaker 3: have to say, check my credentials?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I want of having credentials, so I don't need to
Speaker 3: remind you to check them.
Speaker 1: How is it like meeting him? What's his vibe?
Speaker 3: Like, it's fantastic, so charming, so engaging. A few people
Speaker 3: are under the impression that, you know, maybe like is
Speaker 3: he like some boomer who was like talking at you?
Speaker 3: Not too And I was like, no, not even a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 1: I listened to it. You spoke three quarters of the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you were a guest, and I heard you even
Speaker 1: discuss that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were talking about this, this idea of because
Speaker 3: he was saying off air that he had had experiences
Speaker 3: where people like, oh, you know, let the guests speak
Speaker 3: type of thing, you know, like we're here to hear
Speaker 3: the guests.
Speaker 1: So I think it goes either way.
Speaker 3: I was very impressed by how understood I felt, Yeah,
Speaker 3: by someone who would be perceived to be like the
Speaker 3: complete contrast to who I am and what I do.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
Speaker 1: I wonder if the kind of stuff you do requires
Speaker 1: kind of some research and some googling because it's so
Speaker 1: far away from like a usual business model or a
Speaker 1: usual like way up into business. Whereas if someone was
Speaker 1: doing like a clothing label, maybe then they would kind
Speaker 1: of make them they would misconstrue what you're doing. I'm
Speaker 1: talking in terms of Mark Boris. Yeah, it's because it's
Speaker 1: so far out, he would have either had to look
Speaker 1: at you from a long you know, watch you for
Speaker 1: a long time, or do proper googling Google's word done.
Speaker 3: You could tell really Google were hat that's okay, you
Speaker 3: get it? Like this wasn't like a so tell me
Speaker 3: what you do? And then I'm like, okay, so which
Speaker 3: bit did you research? I fill in the blank? You
Speaker 3: know he got it. I listened really validating.
Speaker 1: I listened to it on the way here, and I
Speaker 1: thought it was really cool how you actually explained your
Speaker 1: way up. I think often we're asked these questions of
Speaker 1: how did you start? And I've heard your story before,
Speaker 1: but I hadn't heard it in that amount of detail.
Speaker 1: And I feel like he facilitated a space where that
Speaker 1: amount of detail was appreciated. And as a listener, I
Speaker 1: definitely did. I got a better understanding of how your
Speaker 1: brain works, where you came from, how the skills that
Speaker 1: you have now were informed by decisions that you made
Speaker 1: when you were younger.
Speaker 2: Hotty behavior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a really great and I'm really halfway
Speaker 1: in spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know me now, so you've got the
Speaker 3: spoiler alert. But it's amazing that you're on Banshee. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: that comes through. Yeah facts, I hope does anyway, So
Speaker 3: shout out to that interview. You really enjoyed it. This
Speaker 3: begins phase one of me creating a whole brand transition.
Speaker 3: I need no one to know that I was once
Speaker 3: a DJ award winning influencer, TV presenter. Just know that
Speaker 3: the income streams are diversified and I am, above all things,
Speaker 3: a great business woman.
Speaker 2: We're pivoting, pivoting always.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on Kita. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: I try to take a lot of success advice too, seriously,
Speaker 3: considering a lot of what we do has not been
Speaker 3: done before, you know, making money off being yourself, exploiting
Speaker 3: your vessel for commercial gain, rare, rare, unique or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I did come across this video that struck a
Speaker 3: chord with me because I think it's broad enough that
Speaker 3: it can actually be appealing to the average person.
Speaker 2: It's not just this hyper specific.
Speaker 1: Let's just play the tape.
Speaker 4: If it doesn't ship, it doesn't count. Tomorrow morning, we're thirty.
Speaker 4: There's going to be a post on my blog. Not
Speaker 4: because it's the best post I ever wrote, but because
Speaker 4: it's tomorrow morning. Because I decided twenty years ago to
Speaker 4: write a post every day, and I haven't revisited that decision.
Speaker 4: I made that decision once, and seven thousand blog posts later,
Speaker 4: I don't have to have a meeting with myself about
Speaker 4: whether this is good enough to publish. I just have
Speaker 4: to say, is this the best available post I've got.
Speaker 4: If it is, I publish it. And it turns out
Speaker 4: the ones that I slave over the hardest, that I
Speaker 4: am sure are perfect, don't resonate, and the ones I
Speaker 4: write in five minutes because I've had a busy go
Speaker 4: like crazy. I have no idea, I'm wrong all the time,
Speaker 4: but I ship the work.
Speaker 3: Obviously, not all of us are trying to be writers
Speaker 3: or publishers. But what I did resonate with is that
Speaker 3: this guy made one decision twenty years ago and he's
Speaker 3: stuck with it. And I think a lot of us
Speaker 3: looking for that shortcut to you know, the big success moment.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll switch it around, we'll change the strategy,
Speaker 3: will peeve that it will be agile, will be open
Speaker 3: to changing things, and we forget that consistency usually is
Speaker 3: the reason why people get to where they're trying to go,
Speaker 3: because they decided to do it once, and they kept
Speaker 3: doing it until they until it made sense, until it resonant,
Speaker 3: until it worked totally.
Speaker 1: It's quite upsetting if you're somebody who doesn't like doing
Speaker 1: things over and over again, because it's very true, and
Speaker 1: it's particularly true in the social media Internet age, where
Speaker 1: consistency is not only rewarded with your ability to create constantly,
Speaker 1: but it's actually helps you to with the algorithm.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, think of anything.
Speaker 3: If I was going to be a trade like you
Speaker 3: do your apprenticeship, that's just you know, three years of
Speaker 3: doing the same thing again and again and again and
Speaker 3: again again ntil.
Speaker 2: You get it.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna take that long because you need to practice.
Speaker 3: You know, the idea of ten thousand hours. How this
Speaker 3: idea that if you want to be proficient at something,
Speaker 3: invest ten thousand hours and you'll be really great at it.
Speaker 3: And I think we're all looking for our one hundred hour,
Speaker 3: our one thousand hour, not recognizing that it probably will
Speaker 3: take you that long to be great. I always say,
Speaker 3: when I started DJing almost ten years ago, I don't
Speaker 3: think I was good till three years in.
Speaker 1: Nobody told me, nobody said I had to figure it out,
Speaker 1: which is good that they didn't.
Speaker 2: It's good they probably wouldn't have kept doing it. That
Speaker 2: wasn't bad. It just wasn't good.
Speaker 3: And it actually took that much djaying full time for years,
Speaker 3: So you're like, no, I'm amazing at this.
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing that holds people back
Speaker 1: from starting and trying. I think it's the thing that
Speaker 1: cuts the wheat from the chaff.
Speaker 2: Is that the expression I don't know, but I like
Speaker 2: the way that sounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's right.
Speaker 2: Is yeah.
Speaker 1: Consistency and the ability to put things out there that
Speaker 1: you're not one hundred percent proud of. So I've got
Speaker 1: a friend called Michael Bev Mickey B seven two three
Speaker 1: who he's a writer. He used to be on a
Speaker 1: Big Brother. Yes, that's how he came to my mind.
Speaker 1: He was the redheaded guy that came in first in
Speaker 1: the twenty thirteen series. Very funny, very smart, very clever,
Speaker 1: genius behavior.
Speaker 2: We love him.
Speaker 1: He's a bit of a genius, isn't he. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: just really good at writing and being very He writes
Speaker 1: how he speaks, which is such an incredible skill on
Speaker 1: the cultural nose. And actually, the day after I got
Speaker 1: my redundant in twenty twenty. I called him and I
Speaker 1: said to him, I'm freaking out what do I do?
Speaker 1: And I told him this idea that I had that
Speaker 1: I really wanted to make, and it was like, I
Speaker 1: want to do a show. My goal I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: like a variety show. I want flex Mummy to be
Speaker 1: in it. That was one of the people, and that's
Speaker 1: what I Reckon likes truthless. I had all these people
Speaker 1: written down that I ended up going on to work with,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like, you know, one of the goals. Yeah, serendipitous.
Speaker 1: But what he told me was a thing called minimum
Speaker 1: viable product. Try and if you're listening to this, try
Speaker 1: and say minimum viable product.
Speaker 2: I won't do it again without thinking.
Speaker 1: It's quite difficult for minimum will problem no, So you
Speaker 1: see it's on. So that refers to just making something,
Speaker 1: making the something with whatever you've got, making it like
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's the shittest thing you've ever made,
Speaker 1: as long as you've made something and doing what you
Speaker 1: need to do with it, whether that's put it out
Speaker 1: there or write it down or send it to somebody
Speaker 1: or give it to somebody. And what it helps you
Speaker 1: do is it just helps you get into the rhythm
Speaker 1: of actually making things, and it takes away the self
Speaker 1: criticism because I think, especially with creative things, no matter
Speaker 1: where you are on your creative journey, you could be
Speaker 1: first starting, you could be a Uni sudent, you could
Speaker 1: be where we are right now.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 1: Talum, Well, we're both here on CAT so I'll take that. Well,
Speaker 1: where I am right now is like I definitely still
Speaker 1: have moments where I freak out about posting things or
Speaker 1: writing things because I need a lot of validation I
Speaker 1: always have, and it kind of goes to show that
Speaker 1: never goes away. So never create with the idea in
Speaker 1: mind that one day it's going to be easy, because
Speaker 1: it never is, but instead brutal. Yeah, but that's rud
Speaker 1: I think that's a really that you're seeing you enjoy No,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can enjoy yourself when you live by
Speaker 1: the minimum viable product mindset and just know that take
Speaker 1: pleasure and take comfort in knowing that you're always going
Speaker 1: to feel like something's not perfect and only doing things
Speaker 1: because they're perfect, and like not wanting to be cringe.
Speaker 1: That comes into it as well, like needing it to
Speaker 1: be the best thing you've ever you've ever made. Meeting it,
Speaker 1: needing it to be better than other people's thing is
Speaker 1: such a trap. And yeah, if you do, if you
Speaker 1: try to do something every day. I also the thing
Speaker 1: that I don't like about that advice though, is it
Speaker 1: the advice you just gave, no, the advice of the
Speaker 1: other guy MVP or this one this one? Just keep
Speaker 1: doing it one bit of day, one bit of day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because also I think if you're someone that wants to
Speaker 1: try really hard and like take these kind of things
Speaker 1: as gospel, like you said, you don't take stuff as gospel,
Speaker 1: you could feel bad about not doing things every day.
Speaker 1: For example, I'm going to Europe for three weeks in September.
Speaker 1: Yeah see, I've mentioned every single podcast with done, but
Speaker 1: my plan to you exact date too freaking me out
Speaker 1: every time I'm taking a private jet, so you're not
Speaker 1: going to see it. Something that I want to do
Speaker 1: is take three weeks off hot, which is actually like
Speaker 1: harder than you think because I've got all these jobs
Speaker 1: on the go, like ongoing jobs and deadlines and things
Speaker 1: that I need to post. But I'm making a conscious
Speaker 1: decision to let everybody know that I'm going to be
Speaker 1: completely off the grid. I'm getting a digital camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to reply to emails because I want
Speaker 1: to prove to myself that it's possible to completely stop
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And just because you stop it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're the You're not that person. For example, you
Speaker 1: know there's actors who act in one thing and then
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I can't call myself an actor. It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: you can. You can call yourself whatever you want, even
Speaker 1: if you've just done it once. You don't have to
Speaker 1: be like a Politzer Prize winning journalist to be a journalist.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be doing something that we do.
Speaker 1: You know you can do it even if you take
Speaker 1: a six month break a sabbatical I think might make
Speaker 1: you a bit behind chill. If you enjoy what doing
Speaker 1: what you're doing, then the journey's fun.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I feel for you.
Speaker 1: It's all a bit tricky, I will say though.
Speaker 3: One of the trickiest things about knowing your capacity is
Speaker 3: knowing your skills. And so whether you are the one
Speaker 3: post to day, the one you know, shipping away a
Speaker 3: little project or doing the biggest thing ever, know what
Speaker 3: you can actually achieve with your own capability because some
Speaker 3: of you big idea bitches don't have big idea skills.
Speaker 1: And that's a big idea infrastructure of people get big
Speaker 1: idea resources, big idea networks.
Speaker 3: You just don't have it like that, And that's all good,
Speaker 3: but know that Another big thing too, I find is
Speaker 3: when people are on the beginning of their journey, stop
Speaker 3: trying to get everyone to drown with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, everyone's got this big idea I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna get this is involving this person involved, and we
Speaker 3: can do this, we can do that, and it's all
Speaker 3: great hypothetically, but test with your own labor, your own skills,
Speaker 3: your own time, and then when you feel confident that
Speaker 3: you can add value to someone else, bring them in.
Speaker 3: Unless you're a group of people who are like, we're
Speaker 3: always going to like mess around a bit, we have
Speaker 3: nothing to lose. But I do see that a lot
Speaker 3: where someone's like, I don't have anything, but you have something,
Speaker 3: and you could help me with this, so can I
Speaker 3: can you give me help?
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, you giving back totally make the
Speaker 1: thing and then made me come Yeah, that's it. That's
Speaker 1: fucked up. Mutual pleasure mutual benefit. So I love that
Speaker 1: you're listening to flex and Frooms on CATA. I was
Speaker 1: looking at newsletters the other day. I should be Subtex
Speaker 1: should be paying me just some kind of kickback for
Speaker 1: the amount, like at least they should give me money
Speaker 1: for doing my everybody not aggressively like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need all something for this.
Speaker 2: I'm feeling the vibes.
Speaker 1: And I was looking at this newsletter from new Weeek
Speaker 1: Same Humans. It's the technology newsletter that we often speak
Speaker 1: about on the show, and it wrote this. This viral
Speaker 1: Twitter thread asked if an AI image generator is trained
Speaker 1: on work by living artists, should those artists be compensated? Ooh, so,
Speaker 1: as you know, AI generators, they've become quite popular even
Speaker 1: amongst us regular people lately, where, for example, you write
Speaker 1: into this chatbot Jennifer Anison writing an elephant, and then
Speaker 1: it will collate images from the Internet and create these
Speaker 1: like conceptual, weird images of her writing a elephant. But
Speaker 1: the elephant like has one eye and she's got like
Speaker 1: three mouths.
Speaker 3: And it minds all these images from what's available on
Speaker 3: the world Wide Web.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not sure where they get the images from.
Speaker 1: Like is it what where's the search engine? Do they
Speaker 1: have to have rights over what photos they use?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess it's what they're saying.
Speaker 3: If they're just gathering all this data of you know, art,
Speaker 3: they don't have the commercial license for to make new art.
Speaker 3: I guess they would get away with it because they're
Speaker 3: not selling the art that's being made, so like the
Speaker 3: copyright is still allowing them to use it in a
Speaker 3: non commercial way.
Speaker 1: But I get what they're saying.
Speaker 3: Kind of reminds me when I bought my Samsung from
Speaker 3: and I assumed the pictures were in the TV ready
Speaker 3: to go, Like, you just buy the frame, the art
Speaker 3: is in there, because for almost three K there's a
Speaker 3: bit art in there. But no, you gotta get a
Speaker 3: subscription what to access the art. Or you can buy
Speaker 3: the art a one time fee. But you don't own
Speaker 3: the art, you're just licensing to use it in your frame.
Speaker 1: So wait a second, you can't like put a us
Speaker 1: B in and put a random picture on there.
Speaker 3: Well, you can use your phone app to air drop
Speaker 3: a picture to your frame and use your own images,
Speaker 3: but you could do that with any TV really, like
Speaker 3: I used with my old TV. I used to go
Speaker 3: to YouTube type ingradient, let that play, you know, and
Speaker 3: that was little you know five.
Speaker 1: And jo old TV for this. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is a process.
Speaker 3: I gotta become a subscriber, loan this art and if
Speaker 3: you want a one time purchase, it's twenty five bucks.
Speaker 3: I don't want any art that badly, especially when it's
Speaker 3: not like contemporary art.
Speaker 1: It's the classics. Oh, like you're buying like a Monet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it's been rinsed.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, this is a broader conversation around artists and compensation,
Speaker 1: particularly in the digital age. I was looking recently at
Speaker 1: an artist on Instagram. I have to remember his name.
Speaker 2: The clown guy.
Speaker 1: No, no, they always forget him, the clown guy. His
Speaker 1: name is Oliver Watts. So there's a guy called doctor
Speaker 1: Oliver Watts. He's a painter in Australia. We follow each
Speaker 1: other and I remember looking at his artwork and he
Speaker 1: is also I think a lecture at university and he
Speaker 1: wrote this really really interesting article about rights clearances with
Speaker 1: artworks and how when you're watching a reality TV like
Speaker 1: the Kardashians, you don't see what art is on their walls.
Speaker 1: Because I don't get the clearances in time, so what
Speaker 1: they do is they just blow them out. And the
Speaker 1: issue with that is the artists don't get paid and
Speaker 1: they don't get the get to be seen because getting
Speaker 1: rights clearances take so much time. It's like when we
Speaker 1: do work and we have to ask for permissions for
Speaker 1: certain things, or you get usage periods when your branded work.
Speaker 1: It's a whole other level that kind of you're damned
Speaker 1: if you do and you're damned.
Speaker 2: If you don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, articed, because then it's an extra cost too.
Speaker 3: Like if I buy some art and I want to
Speaker 3: show the art, but I can't show the art, and
Speaker 3: I got to pay someone else to get to show
Speaker 3: the art already bought with my own money.
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