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Speaker 1: It is, of course Wednesday morning time for the Big Issues.

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Speaker 1: It is brought to you by Simon Watt's from Real

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Speaker 1: Estate Central. Of course you can if you can't sell

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Speaker 1: your home within well within those thirty days or within

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Speaker 1: five weeks, I should say, with Simon Watts, he will

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Speaker 1: refund one hundred percent of all your marketing costs. I

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Speaker 1: was just about giving him a new tagline there, but no.

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Speaker 2: It is with him within five Sorry, Simon, We're not

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Speaker 2: putting any rest of there.

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Speaker 3: On you at the moment he's in the box.

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Speaker 1: Scene is it's a good time.

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Speaker 4: It's what.

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Speaker 2: Simon that comes. If you haven't noticed, it is the

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Speaker 2: big Issues.

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Speaker 1: And Dave Tolder and Matt Cunningham are in the studio

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Speaker 1: with us this morning.

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Speaker 4: Good with Good to be with Maddy too.

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Speaker 2: I know you haven't seen him for a few weeks.

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Speaker 4: Big times.

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Speaker 5: Last time we were here, he was knocking us. He

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Speaker 5: was right in to us.

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Speaker 2: He told us we were journalists. I took it as

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Speaker 2: a bit of a compliment, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Now let's talk firstly about this Territory Economic Reconstruction Commission report.

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Speaker 2: We have been covering it off quite extensively. This morning, I.

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Speaker 1: Spoke to the Deputy the Deputy Chief Minister earlier, Nicole Madison.

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Speaker 1: They've set themselves or there's certainly a fairly ambitious goal

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Speaker 1: of making the territory a forty billion dollar economy by

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Speaker 1: twenty thirty. The Commission has identified priority industries that are

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Speaker 1: critical to grow the economy and attract private investment and

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Speaker 1: create jobs, including energy, renewables and gas for manufacturing, as

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Speaker 1: well as resources and agribusiness, tourism, defense and maritime, and

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Speaker 1: digital and space industries.

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Speaker 2: From the outset, it does seem to.

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Speaker 1: Be a good road map, a good you know, giving

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Speaker 1: the government a good matt Ford of how they need

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Speaker 1: to do things. If not, Guiarro pointed out very early

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Speaker 1: this morning that there's no sort of KPIs or benchmarks

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Speaker 1: that have been set. So how are we able to

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Speaker 1: you know, to really cross reference how well it is

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Speaker 1: or isn't going well?

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Speaker 4: Katie looked. I mean, firstly, you've got to you know,

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Speaker 4: I think you've got to pay tribute to Andrew Liveris.

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Speaker 4: You can see his fingerprints all over this document and

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Speaker 4: the fact he's Andrew Liveris is probably one of the

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Speaker 4: greatest people that the territory has produced. He's you know,

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Speaker 4: he's done some amazing things, he said on Barack Obama's

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Speaker 4: Business round Table, Donald's Donald Trump's Business round Table. I

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Speaker 4: think more than twenty years he was a managing director

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Speaker 4: of Dow Chemicals. You know, he's an impressive human being.

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Speaker 4: And you meet the guy made you've met him. I

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Speaker 4: think on a few occasions you'd have to agree there

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Speaker 4: seems to be an aura around the mean, a seriously

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Speaker 4: impressive guy. But having said that, you know, I think

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Speaker 4: in this turf report, there's not too much that sort

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Speaker 4: just basically telling everybody what the reality is and this

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Speaker 4: is what you need to do to sort it out.

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Speaker 4: The big problem, of course, is I don't think it's

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Speaker 4: in the government's DNA to actually do anything that. They're

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Speaker 4: not pro business. They've got no interest in the budget

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Speaker 4: or reducing our debt. It's just, you know, I just

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Speaker 4: can't see where this document's going to go.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: I have met Andrew Liveris a couple of times.

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Speaker 5: In fact, I hosted a forum with him just a

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Speaker 5: I think Dave's right he's a really impressive individual. I

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Speaker 5: think he's also right when he says that nothing here

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Speaker 5: is new what the report. Just to sum up the report, basically,

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Speaker 5: it's saying we need to change the Northern Territory from

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Speaker 5: a place where it's really difficult to do business to

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Speaker 5: make it the place where it's the easiest place in

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Speaker 5: the country to do business. And that was the gist

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Speaker 5: of what Andrew Liveris was saying when he was here.

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Speaker 5: And one thing that struck me about him was he

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Speaker 5: the gas industry, for the mining industry, for development that

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Speaker 5: I never hear the government articulate well. That I never

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Speaker 5: even hear the industry here articulate well. And I think

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Speaker 5: as much as anything, to get the public on site

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Speaker 5: I mean, you look at the two pages I'm looking

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Speaker 5: the left hand page, it's like, you know, debt could

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Speaker 4: And be else is one of the things, Maddie. I'll

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Speaker 4: give you a little anecdote. You know, four year ago

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Speaker 4: I was walking past Ducks Ducks. That's a deck bar,

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Speaker 4: and there was a couple of staffer sitting there having

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Speaker 4: of them yelled out to me. I won't say who

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Speaker 4: it was, but you know, a senior person in government,

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Speaker 4: well known by most people. It turned out to be

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Speaker 2: So I said, this was in the Labor government.

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Speaker 4: This is in the Labor about four years ago, not

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Speaker 4: long after we left government. It was just after the budget.

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Speaker 4: This fellow says to me, well, what did you think

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Speaker 4: of the budget? And I said I didn't think it

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Speaker 4: if you'd ignore the debt and deficit in the budget,

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Speaker 4: he said. I said, you know, I can't see too

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Speaker 4: many problems with it. He looked at me and he says, well,

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Speaker 4: that's the difference between you a lot and our lot.

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Speaker 4: I said, what's that? He says, well, your mob care

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Speaker 4: I say that because I felt like i'd just been belted,

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Speaker 4: wish you know, you've got a senior person in the

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Speaker 4: and you know, we don't care about it, but you

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Speaker 4: it's become pretty well patently obvious that they don't care

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Speaker 4: about debt and deficits. When you put out a budget

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Speaker 4: that every year you've got a one billion or one

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Speaker 4: these guys are serious, and I can't, for the life

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Speaker 1: Look, one of the things that Andrew Liver said to

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Speaker 1: that there's got to be a real change in mindset,

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Speaker 1: obviously from everybody, not just you know, us as territories

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Speaker 1: and the way in which and the speed at which

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Speaker 1: change in mindset from small business right up to the

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Speaker 1: larger stuff. You know, we can no longer look at

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Speaker 1: We've got to think about how we can make it

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Speaker 2: And the thing that you know.

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Speaker 1: Is not lost on me is that every economy around

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Speaker 1: the world at the moment, every other state is in

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Speaker 1: the same situation that we're in in terms of trying

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Speaker 2: So we've got to be really bloody attracted.

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Speaker 3: And we're in competition with them.

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Speaker 5: And there was a great example put forward by a

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Speaker 5: they compared what it was like doing business in the

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Speaker 5: Northern Territory with Western Australia, and they're basically saying that,

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Speaker 5: you know, the approval time in Western Australia was about

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Speaker 5: that's what you've got to fix. You've got to get

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Speaker 5: to a point where it's years. Was it four years

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Speaker 4: Days in WA and four years in the Northern Territory,

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Speaker 5: That highlights the problem, doesn't it. So we've got to

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Speaker 5: make it so it's one hundred days in Western Australia,

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Speaker 3: It ninety days in the Northern Territory, you know.

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Speaker 5: And sure there are regulations that need to be put

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Speaker 5: It's not that you should just sort of throw environmental

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Speaker 5: can't tell me that if WA can get it done

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Speaker 2: That's right, and that's such a good point.

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Speaker 4: One of the things that I was disappointed in, and

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Speaker 4: I'm disappointed in constantly in the territory, is in this

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Speaker 4: report was the scant focus on Aboriginal land. There was

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Speaker 4: But that was about the end of that. It didn't

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Speaker 4: you look at any average of land across the territory,

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Speaker 4: it's highlighted by the lack of private investment, the lack

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Speaker 4: of private enterprise. You know, it's not impossible to set

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Speaker 4: probably the greatest welfare sinkhole in the country is the

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Speaker 4: the billions of dollars that are poured in there every year,

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Speaker 4: and the need only increases, it never decreases. You look

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Speaker 4: at places like Kakadou. You know, the mining company leaves,

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Speaker 4: the Commonwealth government, a liberal government gives them two hundred

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that's a really good point that Dave

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Speaker 5: coming both at Jaboru and further down the tracking normal

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Speaker 5: boy when the mining companies move out, as to what

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Speaker 5: happens to these places. So you know, when ERA moves

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Speaker 3: But you look at the town of Jabaru.

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Speaker 5: You know, most of the signs in that town are

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Speaker 4: Most people are desperate to get back to work. You

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Speaker 4: all of that sort of stuff. We're just getting back

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Speaker 4: You laid that I got to say they'd been at war,

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Speaker 1: But on the same we don't have buddy, have Damien

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Speaker 4: To Harley. You know, I don't want to put words

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Speaker 2: Well to ask him.

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Speaker 5: On the broader point though, I mean, you look, we

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Speaker 3: We have to make sure it's implemented.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's another report that the government released almost two

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Speaker 3: And that is the Langland Report, right.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at the Langland Reporter, it indicates

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: And one of the key recommendations was this thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: You're not even guaranteed it, right. What?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 3: What? Just left me flabbergasted in that whole deal.

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Speaker 5: It was not only that the union straight out came

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Speaker 2: This is a real problem.

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Speaker 3: This time you've got to fix it. What I hope

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Speaker 3: have you got to fixing it?

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Speaker 5: Can't come out and even support the government when they

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Speaker 3: It's a lost court.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the big issues and where you

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Speaker 1: Real Estate Central.

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Speaker 2: Oh hang on, everyone's giving it much.

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Speaker 1: Here will refund one hundred percent of all your marketing courts.

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Speaker 1: In the studio with us this morning, Dave Tolner and

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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham, and I believed Amien Hale's out bush. I

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Speaker 4: What's a big fellow.

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Speaker 2: Living the dream, living the dream.

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Australia's relationship with China.

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Speaker 1: It appears to have reached boiling point this week with

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Speaker 2: Aren't we.

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Speaker 4: I just find the whole thing incredibly distressing. You know,

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Speaker 2: Do we let him bullyus?

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Speaker 4: Dave? I mean, but you know, this is sort of

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Speaker 3: Probably on instruction from some people.

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Speaker 4: Possibly, But in any case, it's a poke in the eye,

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Speaker 4: isn't it. It's definitely a poke in the eye, a

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Speaker 3: We asked for an investigation into where the virus.

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Speaker 4: Came from a well where we did ask for an

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Speaker 4: investigation where the virus came from, you know, and that

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Speaker 4: was responded to with a I think a reduction in

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Speaker 1: I think we've got some businesses who are like, we

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Speaker 4: I tell you what I reckon. There's a few people

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Speaker 2: I thought, you know, the real fear of course, it

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Speaker 4: But yeah, but the real fear, of course, is when

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Speaker 2: Like you know, you can't just give in.

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Speaker 4: Of course, you can't just give him. But at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, you've got to remember they're our

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Speaker 1: Is it time for us to start looking at some

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Speaker 4: I don't know that Sleepy Joe is going to have

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Speaker 4: let's face the facts. Every time we lose market to China,

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Speaker 3: We backed the wrong horse in this Well, I.

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Speaker 5: You've done the ideal with China before. How would you

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Speaker 4: Well, I got to say, and every I mean, the

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Speaker 5: Where does the current situation with the trade war and

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Speaker 4: The But Matt, you wouldn't want to You wouldn't want

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Speaker 2: I don't think you'd.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, if you could do it. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Are there any implications for the port deal with what's

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Speaker 4: if if people start buring up so much about the port,

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Speaker 4: it's not hard to imagine that the governmentould be looking

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Speaker 4: for ways to try and extricate itself from that. But

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Speaker 4: you know, I couldn't imagine a government in the territory

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Speaker 4: wanting to extricate themselves from that deal.

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Speaker 2: I think they can at the moment.

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Speaker 4: It'll cost him a billion dollars to get out of.

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Speaker 4: I mean not that that worries. They seem to be

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Speaker 4: able to conjure money from nowhere at the moment, so

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Speaker 4: what's another billion? But you know, more to the point

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Speaker 4: if you were to get rid of that organization that's

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Speaker 4: currently the.

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Speaker 1: Well, look we are going to have to wrap it up.

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Speaker 1: And he's just a couple of minutes away from eleven o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you both in the studio with us

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Speaker 1: this morning for the big issues Star.

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Speaker 4: Great to be with your Kadie, and I've got to

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Speaker 4: say great to be with Maddie. I got to well

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Speaker 4: the first time round. I think a borg is both

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Speaker 4: to death with hydrogen.

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Speaker 5: Listeners, the listeners, the listeners to get outrated by the

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Speaker 4: For the first time in the last one.

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Speaker 2: I left on such a high.

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Speaker 4: I left on such a high. I thought Orange Jesus

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Speaker 4: had been elected in the landslide until a day later

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Speaker 4: that afternoon when it sort of started to look a

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Speaker 4: little bit dodgy, and now all of a sudden it

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Speaker 4: looks unlikely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we always enjoy your company. Dave Tolna, thank

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Speaker 1: you very.

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Speaker 4: Much, believe it.

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Speaker 1: And Matt coming home. We'll catch you again very soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both for your time today. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to Mix one O four point nine three sixty.

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Speaker 2: It was the big issues