1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. You're a dose of the 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Kate Torbert and I'm joined by my sisters and journalists 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Amy and Sophie. On today's show, Martha Califatita shocks fans 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: with racial slur Ruby Tuesday, Matthew's embarrassing blunder, Mitch Third 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: crowns himself as King of Barley, and influencers put on notice. 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: But first, Amy, I'm so happy that you're joining us. 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: It was a little bit hit and miss. Yes, I've 9 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: just been to the skin doctor and had two moles remoefs. 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit tender, but I am happy to 11 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: be here. And I do think it is a great 12 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: reminder for people to go and get their skin checked, 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: because honestly, it is so easy to do, but you 14 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: can have these moles just pop up that are a 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: bit worrisome, and that's why I've gone and got them removed. Yeah. 16 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: I think it's really great and such a good reminder 17 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: because mine is coming up in June, and while I'm 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: not looking forward to it, once you're there, it's so quick, 19 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: it's so simple. You're in and you're out and you've 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: got that amazing peace of mind. Sophie, your morning was 21 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: quite busy for a different reason though. Yeah. Well, I 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: had to take Archie to the groomers. And I feel 23 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: like some listeners are invested because about four months ago 24 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: I shared Archie's last trip and this was where he 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: got shaved bald, and he just looked like a completely 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: different dog. He looked like Dobby the house elf. And 27 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't actually shaved bald, he just had shorter hair. 28 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: It was a shit shave, particularly for an Instagram dog. Yeah, 29 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: he didn't look himself. He looked very embarrassed, that's right. 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,199 Speaker 1: And I have been too scared to visit this groomer again. 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: So I took a punt and I visited somewhere down 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: the road and they are incredible. So Archie's brother Winston 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: goes to this groomer and they were all so lovely there. 34 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: I was so nervous when I went to pick him up. 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: But he looks incredible. And it's pretty funny because the 36 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: groomers told me that they checked out Archie's Instagram account 37 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: before he came in, and I didn't want to look 38 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: like one of those crazy dog ladies, because for my birthday, 39 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Brandon actually got me made an Archie necklace. It's very 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: similar to the Sex and the City name necklaces, and 41 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: I just felt like I can't add that on top 42 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: of being an Instagram dog mum. On the topic of Brandon, 43 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: was he happy with how Archie looked, because I do 44 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: remember a certain audio flying around of him being very upset. Yeah, 45 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: he was pretty happy. He said that Archie looks like 46 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: he's got sausage legs, but it is overall very thrilled 47 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: with the results. I have to share a photo in 48 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: our Facebook community now, o Kate, last week you put 49 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: Sophie and I to complete shame. It was our mum's 50 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: birthday and you made her the most incredible looking cake. 51 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: Oh oh, thank you. 52 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 2: Well. 53 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to it because I have 54 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: been dubbed the step food wife triplet from you guys, 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: and I felt like I had to create a cake 56 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: for Mum that lived up to that standard. And I've 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: been obsessed with those eighties retro cakes and I really 58 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: wanted to recreate them and it was quite pathetic. It 59 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: was at the point where I was staying up really 60 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: late and just watching Instagram videos of how to make them. 61 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: I was pretty happy with how it turned out, but 62 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: the thing that tripped me up through the whole process 63 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: was trying to find these special glass a cherries. They're 64 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: called machino cherries or something. I think I've butchered that pronunciation, 65 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: but they're literally the glass a cherries with a stem 66 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: on them. I had to go to three different stores 67 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: the day of making the cake. It was horrendous. I 68 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: finally found them in Dan Murphy's. It was pretty funny 69 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: because you were working from home that day and literally 70 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: all day I kept getting these updates on Snapchat about, oh, 71 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: the first layer of the icing is on. It literally 72 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: took you all day to finish this cake. But type 73 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: Kate's employer isn't listening to this. Ill still manage. I 74 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: still managed to do work in between. That's the perks 75 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: of working at home. You know, you put the cake 76 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: in the oven and then you do a little bit 77 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: of work. Take it out. Cool that there's quite a 78 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: process to the cake making. Women multitask exactly. I was 79 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: going to put a TikTok up of the process, but 80 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: I'm not very good at it. To amy, you might 81 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: have to help you out so listeners can see the cake. 82 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: I love her so much. I always have a favorite 83 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: dog whenever I have dogs. There's many many dogs in 84 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: my love that one for example, but this is my 85 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: favorite dog, mar Victoria. 86 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: You're beautiful, launch you. 87 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 2: I love him so so much. 88 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: Martha Califatitas has been dumped by GHD Hare after she 89 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: was called out for a racial slur. The usually savvy 90 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: influencer shocked followers when she uploaded a video saying the 91 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: N word whilst miming to a rap song in her 92 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: car on Friday. The controversy interrupted Martha's paid trip to 93 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: South Australia, which also divided fans kate. The backlash was 94 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: swift what has ensued since well. After receiving a lot 95 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: of criticism, Martha quickly deleted the inst story and has 96 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: not commented on the matter since. One follower claims she 97 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: direct message Martha saying did you just say what I 98 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: think you said? And was immediately blocked. Another follower took 99 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: it one step further and began contacting brands Martha works 100 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: with to share their upset, and GHD was one of 101 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 1: those brands and they took swift action, so they initially 102 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: thanked the follower for bringing the matter to their attention, 103 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: and then three hours later they followed up with the 104 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: following message. They wrote, GHD will not be partnering with 105 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: Martha Califatitis in any capacity moving forward, as we do 106 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: not condone offensive or hurtful language. Again, thank you so 107 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: much for bringing this to our attention. Now, thing's got 108 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: a little bit awkward the following day on Monday, when 109 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: Martha shared an INSTA story from the night before promoting 110 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: a GHD curling wand and I'm assuming this was part 111 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: of a pre existing deal, but it was awkward. Nevertheless, 112 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: I was really impressed with ghd's immediate action, particularly on 113 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: a Sunday, because brands these days know that the influencers 114 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: they work with really reflect on them as a brand, 115 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: and this is particularly the case when an influencer does 116 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: something wrong. How did you guys feel about the dirty 117 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: delete and the zero explanation or apology following it. Well, 118 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: Martha is usually so savvy when it comes to posting 119 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: on social media, so her behavior really did shock me. 120 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: And it just blows my mind that people are still 121 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: using this word who were not black, because it is 122 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: one of the offensive and painful words in the English language, 123 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 1: and it should never be used by anyone who isn't 124 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 1: black under any circumstances. And it is really frustrating in 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two that people still don't understand just how 126 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: offensive this word is because it has such a loaded history. Well, 127 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 1: it was used to dehumanize black people and keep them 128 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: in their place. And every time something like this happens, 129 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: there's always one white person that argues that they should 130 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 1: be allowed to sing the words because they're a part 131 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: of the song, and they question why the black rapper 132 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: can say it but no one else can. And to 133 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: answer this question in full, we will put a link 134 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: in the show notes to an article from The Conversation 135 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: that explains it very well. However, just for a top 136 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: level explanation, white people shouldn't use the N word, even 137 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: if it is in a rap song, because the word's 138 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 1: origins in slavery haven't been lost. So race expert doctor 139 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: Jackie Standard explained that white people are the ones who 140 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 1: created the word, but have now lost power in relation 141 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: to it. Therefore, they have lost the power to use 142 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: it with impunity and also the power to reclaim it. Now, 143 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: I really do wonder if Martha's lack of apology has 144 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: anything to do with her paid promotion to South Australia. Well. 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: The following day after the Races video went live, Martha 146 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: flew to Adelaide, as you said so, in what her 147 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: fiance Michael Brunelli, deemed as a surprise trip, and it 148 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: was quite clear the trip was far from a surprise, 149 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: as everything had been booked under Martha's name and the 150 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: couple used promotional hashtags throughout their stay. Michael wrote, Okay, 151 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: so my grand plan was to surprise Martha with a 152 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: trip to Adelaide to relax and experience everything it has 153 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: to offer, as we haven't been together before. I set 154 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: up clues in the morning and I secretly left to 155 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: Adelaide to continue giving her clues as to where I was. 156 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: Michael then went on to say Martha had figured out 157 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: where they were going on the first clue. The post 158 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: finished with hashtags see South Australia and hashtag ad Now 159 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: from a South Australian perspective, it was really nice to 160 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: see the state showcased on interstate influencers platforms because I 161 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: feel like South Australia has unfairly got the label of 162 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: being a bit of a shit place to visit, and 163 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: it's so far from the truth. So even though it 164 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: was a paid promotion, it was nice to see influencers 165 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: talking the place up and the trip did look pretty epic. 166 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: The couple, of course, stayed at Eos in the city 167 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: and they went to a number of wineries. And for 168 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: being someone that lives in South Australia, I actually appreciate 169 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: it because I'm like, oh, I should check out that place. 170 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: I never actually make the effort to go there. So 171 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: do you guys think it mattered that the trip was 172 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: a stage surprise? Well, I really think that Martha and 173 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: Michael are one of the only Australian influencer couples who 174 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: actually puts the effort into making their content entertaining and 175 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: they are happy to take the piece out of each 176 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: other and play up to the cameras, which is really 177 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: fun to watch. So I do wonder if it's because 178 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: their love story started in front of cameras that they 179 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 1: feel so comfortable to produce content like this, And to 180 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: be honest, I would much rather see influencers actually putting 181 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: an effort into their content than just going through the motion. 182 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: The hashtags did ruin the vibe of the story they 183 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: were trying to create. I would much prefer to see 184 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: influencers using hashtags they're not disclosing their partnerships and also 185 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: just getting creative with something, because it really made it 186 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: a much more fun trip to watch and be part of. 187 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: I agree with you in some areas, but I still 188 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: think it's a little bit cringe to frame this trip 189 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: as a massive surprise because people can clearly see through 190 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: it and go, well, this is paid promotion. I can 191 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: see the hashtag, and I wonder for SA Tourism if 192 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: they suggested it or if Michael said, hey, let's do this. 193 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: But I think it's clever marketing because obviously Martha has 194 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: a predominantly female audience, so a lot of females are 195 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: probably watching this with their boyfriends sitting next to them saying, 196 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: I wish you would plan me a surprise trip to 197 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: South Australia. I understand what Amy's saying in terms of 198 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: influencers are meant to try and build our trust and 199 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: then give their recommendations. So it seems like a bit 200 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: of a fail because it obviously wasn't a surprise. However, 201 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: if I was Tourism Essay. I would have been really 202 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: happy with the investment used to get their on board 203 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: with this campaign, because I think they really did showcase 204 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,839 Speaker 1: South Australia at its best. Of course, if Martha hadn't 205 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: found herself in the spotlight using the N word, it 206 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: would have been a much better campaign. But I do 207 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: think the paid partnership with Tourism Essay could have possibly 208 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: had something to do with Martha going quiet on the 209 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: racial matter, because the timing was really bad and there 210 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: isn't a brand out there that would want to have 211 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: been aligned with her at that point. And not to 212 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: make excuses for her, but I'm just trying to work 213 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: out why she didn't apologize, And perhaps she knew if 214 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: she apologized, it would put a lot more spotlight on 215 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: what happened, So maybe she thought if she just deleted 216 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it and didn't acknowledge it, it would go away and 217 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: not get as much airtime as it would if she 218 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: had apologized. I saw these shoes back one for such 219 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: a long time. They have twelve hundred dollars. They are 220 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: so fucking ugly that they look cute. TikToker Ana Paul 221 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: is quickly becoming a gen said favorite, the social media 222 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: sensation who clocked up three million followers this week, is 223 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: no stranger to fare. Her car is covered daily by 224 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: letters from fans, and students even made a shrine to 225 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: her at their high school. But it's her generosity that 226 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: has really captured her followers attention, Sophie. I know she 227 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: is quickly becoming one of your favorites. I am so 228 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: hooked on her vlogs on TikTok. I absolutely love her 229 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 1: and for those who don't follow her yet, she posts 230 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: daily vlogs about her shopping expeditions, the adventurous food she tries, 231 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: and also her really lavish holidays. And as I've said 232 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: in the past, although she shows herself spending a lot 233 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: of money and living a very different lifestyle to the 234 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: rest of us, somehow she still comes across as really likable, 235 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: modest and relatable. And it's pretty funny because she gets 236 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: around in this bright metallic green car with the number 237 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: plate Anna, so it's obviously very noticeable. And she is 238 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: so popular, Kate, as you mentioned that when she gets 239 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: back to her car, kids have literally left notes all 240 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: over the windscreen saying how much they love her, how 241 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: much they look up to her. I mean when I 242 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: saw this post, I thought that they were all parking 243 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: tickets for a second, and then I was like, oh, 244 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: it's fan mail. Yeah. I couldn't believe it because the 245 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: shrine in question, Kate, that you touched on was created 246 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: by some high school students and they had all of 247 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: these cut out photos of her and basically they were 248 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: asking for offerings from the God at this shrine. It's 249 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 1: insane how many kids love her. And I think one 250 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: of the reasons why so many people like her is 251 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: she just comes across as so generous. She is always 252 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: giving her mum and family members really thoughtful presence. And 253 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: she said in a recent flog that she didn't grow 254 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: up with much money. She said from a young age 255 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: she worked at a supermarket and she was so proud 256 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: when she managed to save up one thousand dollars, as 257 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: it was more than her parents had in their own 258 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: savings account. And she said that once she reached that goal, 259 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: she took her mom to the shops and brought her 260 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: one hundred dollar pair of Birkenstocks that her mum had 261 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: wanted for such a long time, and her mum literally 262 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: burst into tears at the shop. And it's this generosity 263 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: that she's kept going because quite often she takes her 264 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: mum to the store and gives her a basket and says, 265 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: loaded up with everything you want in this store, and 266 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: I will purchase it for you. 267 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: Wow. 268 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: So for you are really loving Anna Paul at the moment, 269 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: that was a very glowing explanation. I love her. Let's 270 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: hope she doesn't do something problematic next week. See if 271 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: you're new Sammy Robinson, Let's not go nuts. Let's not 272 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,599 Speaker 1: go nuts. But this is a bit of a backflip 273 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: when we were having a go at her for calling 274 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: a cat nutsack. Yeh, No, Well, you can change your 275 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: opinion on people, can't. Well, this actually ties off that cat. Well, 276 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: this actually ties into it quite well, because Kate, it's 277 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: actually her brother Addis's cat. It's not actually her cat, 278 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: it's Addison after it, she's always got nutsack with it. Well, 279 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: I think that's probably because Addis and michaela are always traveling. 280 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: But one president that really caught my attention this week 281 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: was a recent surprise gift Anna gave her brother Adis. 282 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: And as you say, Kate, we did do a little 283 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: segment on it last year, but For those who don't know, 284 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: Adis owns two hairless cats, and he named the first 285 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: one Nutsack, which did cause some controversy. So do you 286 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: still hate the name? Do you guys still think it 287 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: was wrong to call it nutsack? Or now you're kind 288 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: of like, oh, it's kind of cute. I can kind 289 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: kind of get it more knowing their sense of humor, 290 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: but I prefer it to be called a normal name. Well, 291 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm someone that loves normal animal names, like our family 292 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: cat is called George and Lulu. We've got Bentley and gg. 293 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I suppose they are a little bit more unusual, but yeah, 294 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: I like normal names in saying that my dogs are 295 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: called Sonny in shadow at the moment, So, well, you 296 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: guys will love this because he did get a second cat, 297 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: which he called Fanny, And just to point out, Fanny 298 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: is a boy. So I was super confused because it 299 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: appears that he has actually renamed Fanny to mister Wormy, 300 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: which I think is more appropriate. Not mister Fanny, no 301 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: mister Wormy. And whilst he has given his cat's atrocious names, 302 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: it's safe to say that he is utterly obsessed with 303 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: these cats. They are incredibly spoilt as soon as he 304 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,359 Speaker 1: got Fanny or mister Wormy. Now he had a professional 305 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: photo shoot for the cat, and he's always spoiling them 306 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: with toys and he gives them baths all the time. 307 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Because I didn't know this, but apparently you've got a 308 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: take extra care of bold cats, more so than cats 309 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: with hair. See, I've got to show Dale all these 310 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: bold cats because the only way I'd ever be allowed 311 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: to get another animal was if it was bold, because 312 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: my cats just shed so much for her. Or you 313 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: should get when they're pretty cute. Now, what I thought 314 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: was hilarious that Anna was recently in Dubai and she 315 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: found this store that painted lifelike photos onto bags, so 316 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: as you do. She purchased at US a Louiston shoulder 317 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: bag and got a photo of mister Wormy wearing a 318 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: Louiston jacket painted on the bag. Now, this bag took 319 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: five days to come back, but it was crazy. It 320 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: was the most realistic artwork of this cat. It was 321 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: bloody hilarious and I mayn't think how much it costs 322 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: considering it was so realistic. Anna was on a Louisiton bag. 323 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: It made me think I really need to go to 324 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: Dubai to get my dog Artie painted on a handbag 325 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: for myself, because I would love that. 326 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: I'm sick of hearing well all time. I'm sick of 327 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: your voice yelling all the time. I'm card of your voice. 328 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: Like as international borders reopen, Mitch Third has become one 329 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: influence that to vicariously live through amy. Where is Mitch now? Will? 330 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Mitch's currently holidaying in Bali, and I'm actually enjoying seeing 331 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: his travels because I feel like it's a sign that 332 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: the world is healing, nature is returning to how it 333 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: should be, because influencers are back in Bali. And on Saturday, 334 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: Mitch had a photo of himself on Instagram declaring the 335 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: King's back as he posed amongst tourists in Bali, and 336 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: I did laugh because he's pulling this typical influence of 337 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: power pose and you can just tell all the other 338 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: tourists around him and just like, what the fuck is 339 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: with this guy? And it's clear that Mitch has been 340 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: on a bit of a bender the first few days 341 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: in Bali, but he's now hopped on a ferry to 342 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: the Islands for a bit of R and R, and 343 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: I have to say one thing, that has stood out 344 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: about Mitch's travels is his coordinated pink luggage. It'd be 345 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: really easy to spot at the airport. You know when 346 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: people back in the day used to put a ribbon 347 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: around their bag, Like if you saw your pastel pink 348 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: suitcase coming out, you'd be like, beauty. I'm just wondering 349 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: if he's freaking out a drinking bottle with the same color, 350 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: because I actually really like that pink. It's also easy 351 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: to steal, and you're putting out feelers because Mitch the 352 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: did comment on one of our posts that he was 353 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: happy to send us his drink putting an order. It's 354 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: a desperate sort of attempt to get one of these bottles. Look, 355 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: if I wanted one other drink bottles, I get that 356 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: more beige color. Anyway, I'm throwing out you're listening now. 357 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: What was really interesting about Mitch's trip to Barley was 358 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: he took followers through the new requirements for entering Barley. 359 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: So he shared a TikTok and it showed him touching 360 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: down in Balley and he was giving advice to followers. 361 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: So his advice was, you need to select seats at 362 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: the front of the plane to ensure you can exit 363 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: the plane as quickly as possible, otherwise you'll be stuck 364 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: lining up forever. So you know, when you normally got 365 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: off a flight and you've got to line up now 366 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: in the airport, it actually looks like a vaccination center 367 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: because they've got seats that you have to sit on 368 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: all in a row, and you have to wait to 369 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: be called forward. It's funny because I literally haven't traveled 370 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: for so long that I completely forgot about the absolute 371 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: hell of waiting for everyone to get off the plane. 372 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,239 Speaker 1: And then when those people stand up and sort of 373 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: elbow you out the way, and you're just like, for 374 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: fuck's sake, you just hate everybody. You just like what 375 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: is wrong with people? But it's funny because as soon 376 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: as the planet does land, all you want to do 377 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: is get off. It's been particularly upsetting for us because 378 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: it's actually three years ago that we were in Balley 379 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,479 Speaker 1: and that was our last international flight since COVID, so 380 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: I've been getting all of the snapchat memory. It's been 381 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: very upsetting. I cannot wait to go back to Balley now. 382 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: So for you would hate this because Mitch said it 383 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 1: took him an hour to get out of the airport, 384 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,199 Speaker 1: and he said, if you chose a seat at the 385 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: back of the plane, it would probably take you two 386 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: hours to get through customs because you have to show 387 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: your vaccination certificate, and you also have to show that 388 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: you've booked in three nights of accommodation at a government 389 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: approved hotel that he hadn't actually booked dinn at a 390 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: government approved hotel, and the air hostess on his Singapore 391 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Airlines flight wouldn't let him on until he showed her 392 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: on his phone that he had booked accommodation. He said, 393 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: he just canceled her as soon as he arrived, though, 394 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: and just showed a screenshot of the confirmation email. But 395 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: you also have to line up to get a PCR test, 396 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: which cost twenty five Australian dollars. Then you have to 397 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: wait for the results, pay forty six dollars for a visa, 398 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: get your fingerprint and face scanned. Then it's finally time 399 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: to pick up your bags and go. Now it sounds 400 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: like a bit of a hoopler, but I think it's 401 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: worth an overseas trip after the years that we have 402 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: been banned from traveling. Now. Mitch also went viral on 403 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: TikTok late last week after he claimed he'd spend over 404 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: thirty one thousand dollars on a meal out in Dubai. 405 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: So eagle eyed followers were quick to comment on his TikTok, 406 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: pointing out it wasn't Australian or US dollars but thirty 407 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: one thousand dirham, which is the uaes currency. So that 408 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: equates to over eleven two hundred dollars on dinner, which 409 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: is still a disgusting, obscene amount of money. That's a 410 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 1: lot of gyg for me. Well, the reason it was 411 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: so expensive was because he went to Nazaret, which is 412 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: a steakhouse run by a famous Turkish chef who's better 413 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: known as salt Bay. So I'm sure you guys will 414 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: have seen that meme with salt Bay in it, and 415 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: he's become famous for the way he seasons his meat. 416 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: You know, he holds the salt in a certain way. Sorry, 417 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: but I'm not paying eleven thousand dollars for someone to 418 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: season a steak for me. He must be making a 419 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: lot of money off drink bottle. Was it just one 420 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: steak that cost eleven thousand dollars or did he shout 421 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: the whole table. No, he shouted the whole table, but 422 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: there weren't that many people. And he did share a 423 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: reel which featured the receipt. And people have gone nuts 424 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: over two items on the bill, and one of those 425 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: was the cost of steel water and the other was 426 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: the cost of a slice of avocado. So do you 427 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: guys want to take a guess of how much basically 428 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: tap water at this restaurant cost? Well, I'm sorry, but 429 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: all tap water should be free. It makes me feel 430 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,360 Speaker 1: sick to even think about it, because I was so 431 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: outraged because I was charged like fifteen dollars per bottle 432 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: of water an Adelaide restaurant, and they kind of sneakily 433 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: did it. It was still water and they charged like 434 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: it was sparkling wooden. So what what did mitchpay? Will 435 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 1: this water cost? And to put it in perspective, this 436 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: is tapwater cost one hundred dirham, which is thirty six 437 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: dollars and twenty four cents Australian daylight? Yeah, and a 438 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: single slice of avocado cost seventy five durham, which is 439 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: twenty seven dollars. What the hell? This was discussed? The 440 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: sense if the steak is one thousand dollars each or whatever. 441 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: It was. Also to put in perspective, the chef is 442 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: worth seventy million dollars, so I think that's how hot 443 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: he's making his buddy. Now back to the Barley trip. 444 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: I was looking very closely to see if Mitch stayed 445 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: in Villa Tarmie, and that is the villa that he 446 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: purchased with his former girlfriend Tarlia Scanes, and a couple 447 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: of episodes ago, we were talking about how there seems 448 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: to be some tension between the pair. There was some 449 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: discussion about seeing lawyers on Tarlier Scanes's which we believe 450 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: she might have been referring to this situation with Villa Tami, 451 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: but we're not certain. But Mitch wasn't there. Yeah, it 452 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: was interesting because I was half expecting him to pop 453 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: up there. I did see that he's staying at some 454 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: big fuck off place on the islands, and he's got 455 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: this massive pool to himself, so I don't think he's 456 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: slumming it despite not being a Milazer. I don't know 457 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: if that would just be for himself. He did seem 458 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: to pick up a few friends on the way. Oh, 459 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll find a friend there. I feel bad 460 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: for your parents. I feel bad for your face. Okay, 461 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: well call me when your boobs come in. You call 462 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: me when yours come in. What do you have four boyfriends? Exactly? Yeah? Okay, 463 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: have fun having a baby at your prom. 464 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: You look like an old map. 465 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: You know what, You're not as popular as you think 466 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: you are. I'm very popular. I'm sure you are very popular. Well, 467 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: you're an old, single loser who's never gonna have any friends. 468 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: You're a little cunt. ASIK has put influences on notice, 469 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: warning they could face jail time and finds it up 470 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: to one billion dollars if they don't abide by new rules. 471 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: Before we get into the rules, Amy, can you give 472 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: us some background into ACIK and also the world of influencers. Yeah. Well, 473 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: ACIK is the regulator of the financial services industry in 474 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: Australia and it is finally cracking down on influencers. We 475 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: covered this topic in depth last year, but basically, a 476 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: finfluencer is a finance influencer. Many of these influencers are 477 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: unqualified and unlicensed. In the past year, there has been 478 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: a rise of influencers sprooking financial services products. So previously 479 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: they weren't bound by the same guidelines as financial advisors, 480 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: so they could push the boundaries when promoting financial products. 481 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: And what's really worrying is finfluencers have proven to be 482 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: more appealing to brands because brands can use persuasive language 483 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 1: and have calls to action that license financial advisors ethically 484 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: and legally cannot include. And there has been a big 485 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: divide between unqualified and qualified finance influencers. It can be 486 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: really confused for consumers to know who is qualified and 487 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: who is unqualified and who they should be taking advice from. 488 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: I also think it's worrying because some consumers are unknowingly 489 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: receiving unlicensed advice. So can you tell us more about 490 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: these new rules that are coming into effect. So ACIK 491 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: has announced a comprehensive outline of what they do and 492 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: do not approve of in the influencers space. So under 493 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: the new law, financial advice is defined as any recommendation 494 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: to purchase financial products such as securities in a listed 495 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: company or units in a managed fund. So only individuals 496 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: who are registered with ASEK and hold a financial services 497 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: license or are authorized by a licenseee can provide advice. 498 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: So basically influencers who are unlicensed will be breaking the 499 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: law if they make misleading statements online or give unlicensed advice. 500 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: So the new rules are really giving influencers the push 501 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: to go out and get licensed and more qualifications. So 502 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: influencers are now all also banned from promoting investment funds 503 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: and stocks online. Now, up until this point, there hasn't 504 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: been a lot of clarity around what is and isn't allowed. 505 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 1: So ACIK has provided an information sheet for influencers and 506 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: it talks about how financial service laws apply directly to them, 507 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: and it also reminds them that it is their responsibility 508 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: to ensure that the content they post complies with the 509 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: new laws, and for the first time, it actually gave 510 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: some real world examples. So not only are product recommendations 511 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: now prohibited from unlicensed individuals, but even giving an opinion 512 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: about the guaranteed positive return of a specific investment or 513 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: asset class could be considered advice or misleading and deceptive conduct. Now, 514 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: what is big news is that influencers can no longer 515 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: use affiliate marketing links. Now, okay, can you tell us 516 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: why this is so huge? Or quite often influencers will 517 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: promote affiliate links on their Instagram or TikTok for a 518 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: range of different finance brands. And the way these links 519 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: work is that the influencer generally has paid a commission 520 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: for every single person who uses this affiliate link, so 521 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: they are financially motivated to get as many people to 522 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 1: sign up and use this link as they can. So 523 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: this clarification in the rule could drastically affect influencers bottom 524 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: lines as affiliate links have become a very lucrative line 525 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: of business for many influencers, and it's understood the ASEK 526 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: are closely watching some influencers who are believed to be 527 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: earning five or six figure salaries from promoting a range 528 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: of different deals, including licensed financial firms, share markets, and 529 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: foreign exchange brokers. It's pretty interesting because ACIK have come 530 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: out and admitted that monitoring can be very tricky because 531 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: financial advice may take place in a private message like 532 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: a DM, or it may have a limited shelf life 533 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: like an Instagram story which expires after twenty four hours, 534 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: so the regulator is relying on tip offs from the public. 535 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: I did really enjoy listing to She's on the Money 536 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: because financial advisor Victoria Devine touched on the new rules, 537 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: and she said that the rules are a really good 538 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: step in the right direction. She said, there needs to 539 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: be regulation in this space, and we need to be 540 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: talking about it more because at the end of the day, 541 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: they're giving you financial advice, and that could make or 542 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: break your future. She said, it's not like influencers promoting 543 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: skincare and you're like, I don't like the smell. It's 544 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: you and your financial future, and you're investing in your future, 545 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: and there's such significant ramifications for getting it wrong. Well, 546 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: I agree with Victoria because I think these rules are 547 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: great because it was very murky before and now it's 548 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 1: sort of brought all of the influencers in line. I 549 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: will be really interested to see if some quite well 550 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: known influencers do cop a large fine, because I wonder 551 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: if they will be wanting to make examples of high 552 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: profile people who are doing the wrong thing, kind of 553 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: as a scared tactic to say, you know, we are 554 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: actually going to be handing down severe consequences for this behavior. 555 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what the flow on effect is for industries 556 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: like bitcoin, because I know a lot of influencers have 557 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: been promoting bitcoin. I feel like it falls under a 558 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: very similar category. 559 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: Come over all. Yes, I am a man who has 560 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 3: recently bought a house in the local area, and I'm 561 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: having a housewarming party to which I'll be inviting a 562 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: lot of the local adults two, hence the crisps. I'll 563 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 3: also probably need some alcohol as well as well as 564 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: the crisps, etc. 565 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: Ruby Tuesday Matthews has been left red faced after she 566 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: was caught out sending herself questions during an Instagram Q 567 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: and a with her followers, Amy can you tell us more? Yeah? Okay. 568 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: It was celeb Spelcheck who spotted Ruby Tuesday Matthew's gaff. 569 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 1: So the popular Instagram account shared a screenshot of Ruby's 570 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: Insta story which clearly showed she had sent herself a 571 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: number of questions. One of the questions read, what is 572 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: your preferred brand of electronics that you have purchased for 573 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: the new pad? How do you decide? So Ruby responded 574 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: to her own question in great detail, and it cracked 575 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: me up because she wrote, funny you asked this. So 576 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: she managed to plug a number of brands, including sam 577 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: Sung and Fisher and Pie Call. So celemb' spelcheck shared 578 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: this screenshot and they captioned it we all knew influences 579 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: did this, and this led to a lot of debate 580 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: online about whether Ruby Tuesday Matthews had received payments or 581 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: goods for this endorsement. Now Ruby has responded on Instagram 582 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: and she has denied being paid to endorse any particular 583 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: brand or product Through her Q and A, she wrote, FYI, 584 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: the brands I tagged in my Q and A were 585 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: already items I purchased for full price. She then posted 586 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: what she claimed was an f POS receipt for the purchases. 587 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: Made it the good guys in tweed Heads. She also 588 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: confirmed that she'd written the questions herself, but said she 589 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: did so because sometimes the questions are full of spelling 590 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: errors and she likes to try and summarize them. That's 591 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: so funny, because why would you put the effort in 592 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: to do that if there wasn't some payback for you, Like, 593 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: it's not like you're desperate to talk about your fridge. 594 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: If you're not getting some sort of payback for it. 595 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 1: Wouldn't the person who also wrote in those questions and 596 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: legitimately come forward and say, hey, it was actually me 597 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: who put them out there. The other thing that looks 598 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: fishy is the other question Ruby sent herself was asking 599 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: her about the type of furniture she's going to have 600 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: in a new house as well. Oh, they're all clearly 601 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: questions about the sort of brands she works with. I'm sorry, 602 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: but who was sending in those sort of questions? And 603 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: if these were legitimate questions, why didn't she screenshot the 604 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: post that she'd apparently summarized. See. I think it's more 605 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: so she was genuine when she said I haven't been 606 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: paid to promote these products, but I think it's to 607 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: set up the paid promotion for later, because she said 608 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: in her post about the fridge, Oh, I'll let you 609 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: know how it goes. I think everyone knows what's going 610 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 1: on here, and Ruby's clearly just trying to make some 611 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: excuses for the mix up. What I don't get is 612 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: how you could be so careless to share a screenshot 613 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: with your own name written down in your questions, Like 614 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: it just blows my mind. I feel like she's really 615 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: contradicted herself though, because she said that she takes the 616 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: time to rewrite followers questions, but then she has been 617 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: so careless to slap up a screenshot of the questions 618 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: that she's sent in well, I think that's all we've 619 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: got time for today. 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