WEBVTT - SO I DATED A SOCIOPATH  - Walk down memory lane 2 - episode 3

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<v Speaker 1>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Brittany and I am also flying solo today. We

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<v Speaker 1>have gone on Christmas slash New Year's holidays, but you

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<v Speaker 1>cannot keep us away.

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<v Speaker 2>We have missed you terribly.

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<v Speaker 1>So we thought to finish off the year, we would

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<v Speaker 1>go back and revisit some of our favorite episodes, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the ones that we think maybe you new listeners

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<v Speaker 1>haven't listened to yet, or maybe there's an episode that

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<v Speaker 1>we reference a lot that you have no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, so that is what we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it hilarious when I listen back two episodes

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning, from when we were little babies, when

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<v Speaker 1>we had no idea what we were doing. Laura and

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<v Speaker 1>I would like stumble into the studio. We didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what any of the buttons were. We were googling. We

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<v Speaker 1>literally used to sit in the studio and YouTube how

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<v Speaker 1>to podcast. Then we would take pictures of the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>machine and we were like trying to compare it to

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<v Speaker 1>online manuals. It was actually so funny. I look back

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<v Speaker 1>and I laugh hard. But the episode that I have

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<v Speaker 1>picked today to revisit is one that we get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of questions about, one that we reference a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess it's a really big part of my

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<v Speaker 1>life and who I am. It makes me who I am,

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<v Speaker 1>and it really has carved the path for getting me

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<v Speaker 1>to this point of my life, and it's very important

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And it was a really big deal for

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<v Speaker 1>me to open up and speak about it when we did.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really proud of the fact that I was open

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<v Speaker 1>enough and strong enough to talk about it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know how many people it helped at the time, because

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<v Speaker 1>I had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people right

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<v Speaker 1>to me saying thank you so much for openly talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it, because I didn't realize, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>in this relationship, or I thought I was the only

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<v Speaker 1>one that was in this relationship. And you've made me

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<v Speaker 1>realize that, you know, it's not embarrassing when these things

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<v Speaker 1>happened to you, and it's not a reflection on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was really important for me to know that

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<v Speaker 1>the content that we're putting out there and the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we are bearing a part of our soul is

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<v Speaker 1>helping other people. It's literally why Laura and I do it.

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<v Speaker 1>We have had some really hard conversations in the last

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<v Speaker 1>year and a half on the podcast, and the reason

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<v Speaker 1>we do do it is knowing that we help others.

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<v Speaker 1>So the episode that we're revisiting now, it is way

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<v Speaker 1>back when from season one. It was our third ever

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<v Speaker 1>episode and it's called so I Dated a Sociopath, So

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<v Speaker 1>it revisits my story and a very tumultuous few years

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<v Speaker 1>of literally me dating a sociopath. I dated someone with

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<v Speaker 1>a double life. If you guys are.

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<v Speaker 2>OG listeners, you'll know that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're new listeners, you'll probably hear that we reference

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<v Speaker 1>this episode a lot because it definitely has set a

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<v Speaker 1>standard for you know, why I am like I am,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe why I have been single for the last what

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<v Speaker 1>eight years or something nine years? I don't know now

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<v Speaker 1>it feels like forever, but it did, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely set me on a path where I had to

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<v Speaker 1>rethink a lot of things. And you can listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the episode now. Obviously, I feel like if I did

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<v Speaker 1>it again now, if I re told the episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I would do it differently, and I think I

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<v Speaker 1>would probably go into more detail and probably be more

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<v Speaker 1>open about it. But it's already done and it's already

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But that.

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<v Speaker 1>Horrible, tumultuous, two years, toxic, two years of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no regrets, and I think this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that I really want to drive home and I want

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<v Speaker 1>people to know that. You know, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>say to me, I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry you had to go through this situation, But in

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<v Speaker 1>a word, I'm not sorry, because nothing else would have

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<v Speaker 1>happened that has happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I would not be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I would not be here I am. I would not

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<v Speaker 1>have had the experiences that I have had.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I sold my house, I sold everything I owned, and

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<v Speaker 1>I went on this three year around the world trip,

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<v Speaker 1>like literally with my sister. We had the most amazing

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<v Speaker 1>three years. I definitely would not have done that if

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't for this relationship. I went on The Bachelor,

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<v Speaker 1>which again put me on another trajectory and carved out

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<v Speaker 1>my life in a whole different way. That led me

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<v Speaker 1>to Laura and to the podcast and to other opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really do think it's like a knock on effect.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think any of that would have happened if

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<v Speaker 1>this one event didn't happen to me. So that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that I like to carry through life. I like to

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<v Speaker 1>look at life in a very particular way, and I

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<v Speaker 1>try not to regret things if I don't have to.

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<v Speaker 1>I try and look favorably on experiences, on bad experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>and take something positive from that. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>really important. If you can look at any bad situation

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<v Speaker 1>and transform it in your mind and make something positive

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<v Speaker 1>out of it, learn something from it, grow from it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is an amazing characteristic to have and

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<v Speaker 1>it will literally change the rest of your life. So, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>enough rambling from me. We really miss you. Guys. We

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<v Speaker 1>are so excited to come back in twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>which crazily enough is in a couple of days, which

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<v Speaker 1>still blows my mind. Big thank you to everyone that

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<v Speaker 1>has been listening from the beginning. To all your new listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to life. I'm cut, we absolutely love you. Twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one is going to bring so many good things.

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<v Speaker 3>For all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it in my bones, and we have some

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<v Speaker 1>really exciting things lined up. So guys, strap in, enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>the episode. If you want to re listen to again,

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you take something from it. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to share it if you learn anything from it, we

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<v Speaker 1>love that as well, and we will be seeing you

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<v Speaker 1>very very soon.

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<v Speaker 3>He's out.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, and welcome to another episode of Life Uncut.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Laura and I'm Brittany.

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<v Speaker 2>And today we have a real doozy of an episode

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<v Speaker 2>for you. I think it's fair to say that most

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<v Speaker 2>people have experienced some sort of toxic relationship in their life,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be with a family member, with a coworker,

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<v Speaker 2>or in their own personal relationships. Today, someone very close

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<v Speaker 2>to me is going to be sharing their experience with

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<v Speaker 2>the toxic relationship. And that person is so close to me,

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<v Speaker 2>she is close enough that I can smell her. Please,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do you want me to work pretty early in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning. Have you showered yet?

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<v Speaker 1>I actually haven't known.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it's okay. It's five point thirty in the

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<v Speaker 2>morning right now. And this is the only time we

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<v Speaker 2>had to get this podcast done so on a hustle. Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>britt is going to be sharing with us a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>huge dating story and how she's dealt with this toxic

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<v Speaker 2>relationship in her life and how it's shaped her. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really really proud of her for sharing this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually really excited for her to share this with

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<v Speaker 2>all of you. Not because it is an exciting story.

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<v Speaker 2>It is actually really quite a traumatic story. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that there are a lot of points from this

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<v Speaker 2>that are going to relate to a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>who may find themselves in similar situations or find themselves

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<v Speaker 2>in other toxic relationships. But before we get into the

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<v Speaker 2>thick of it, britt I know you watched The Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, I I'm only human.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me your low down. What do you reckon? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we did speak about it last week. I openly

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<v Speaker 1>love Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>You love him? Yeah, I think Matt agnew. Just so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you didn't pick anyone, Brittany loves you the.

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<v Speaker 1>End, I thought you were clarified.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send him in a cinema text. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to slide into his DMS and let him know

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<v Speaker 2>I have a sneaky suspicion the man is very in love,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm stoked for because that's what the show's about.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't say you're stoked, it's a lie. She's actually heartbroken.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, we're still pretty excited about the

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<v Speaker 2>show itself.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I did watch it. Did you watch it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay, So we were away for the week and

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<v Speaker 2>I made my sister book an airbnb that had TV

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<v Speaker 2>free to air. I was there. We couldn't go out

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<v Speaker 2>for dinner because I was watching The Bachelor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a dedication, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>Very much? So?

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<v Speaker 1>So, what did you think of the first lot of girls,

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously it was they came in two lots over

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<v Speaker 1>two nights. What was your initial just go your initial overthought?

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<v Speaker 2>I love them, I love them all. No, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's been cast so well. We said this in

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<v Speaker 2>the last episode, but this season seems to really have

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<v Speaker 2>characters and I like that. I like that there is

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<v Speaker 2>the villain. But she kind of came in as the

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<v Speaker 2>crazy bride and yeah, I get a real cure vibe

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<v Speaker 2>from her.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I love? I love that she

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<v Speaker 1>brought her best friend in as the bridesmaid. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pretty sure Matt got confused and thought it was a contestant.

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<v Speaker 2>Did anyone else hear her call her friend a bitch face? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see that best friend goals? I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that is I don't know how you're gonna feel being

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<v Speaker 2>the best friend watching that back. Speaking of toxic relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't let your friend call your bitch face. It's not nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, remove yourself from that immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, if you had to pick your top girls,

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<v Speaker 2>who are they off the bat?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? So I think eleanor So she was the girl

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<v Speaker 1>from Mauritius.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's French.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she looks beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you mean cream that one?

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<v Speaker 1>I like her?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Cream? No, I liked her.

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<v Speaker 1>She seemed super normal. She was beautiful. I think Ellie.

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<v Speaker 1>She won me over with the marshmallow campfire.

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<v Speaker 2>Elle everyone everyone over. She's the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>She was just so sweet. I think we'll see her

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<v Speaker 1>in the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm worried that I'm gonna get Nikki Gogan. She's amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>she'll be potentially, Yeah, we have to prepare our hearts

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<v Speaker 2>for that. Or maybe she's the girl, Maybe she's she

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<v Speaker 2>won't be. You know who I love. I love the

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<v Speaker 2>girl from Rio. I just think her narrating of this

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<v Speaker 2>season so far, with the Kelly hair. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be best friends with her and I want her to

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<v Speaker 2>narrate my life so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's a cutie. She's got really glowy skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now Britt's creeping on her hos well, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what else I like about this season? I like

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<v Speaker 2>that they've brought in the intruders, and they've brought them

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<v Speaker 2>in at the very beginning, because normally there's this sense

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<v Speaker 2>that an intruder can't win the show because the intruders

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had enough time with the bachelor. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it's been from the few of the

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<v Speaker 2>girls dropped their comments, and just how we know filming

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<v Speaker 2>is I think it's been about a week. It was

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<v Speaker 2>only night two, but I reckon the girls had about

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<v Speaker 2>a week in there before the intruders came in, But

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<v Speaker 2>that's nothing. Only in a week, only one person's probably

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<v Speaker 2>had a single date so far, so most people are

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much on an even playing field.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like that instead of bringing the intruders in

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<v Speaker 2>three quarters the way through, which they normally do, just

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<v Speaker 2>to try and spice things up for the viewer. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no way that an intruder's gonna win if they've only

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<v Speaker 2>got two weeks to spend with the guy, of course. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So bringing them in at the beginning it means that

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<v Speaker 2>we still have that injection of new girls.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I think is funny?

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<v Speaker 2>Though? One of them could win.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I love how it's old girls first new girls.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love how the old girls are like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>the old girls. You can't come in here. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, babes, it's been one episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been one but you know what, they've been in

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<v Speaker 2>there for a week, so they already start to feel

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<v Speaker 2>like they've got their click and they've got their groove

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<v Speaker 2>of what's happening in the house. So I can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of understand that we never had intruders on our season

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<v Speaker 2>at all. No. None. I don't know why. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know whether it was a call from production or where

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<v Speaker 2>the Matt had said that he didn't want intruders, but

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<v Speaker 2>we never ever had any.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I feel like they get halfway and they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to spice this up.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you think of the date with sigand the

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<v Speaker 2>first single date.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to be honest, I was a bit on the

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<v Speaker 1>fence about it because I thought it was super over

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<v Speaker 1>the top, as in, like what they were doing was

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<v Speaker 1>over the top. Well, I don't know, I just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I saw enough of them actually talking. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, thank you, so I actually met think you

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<v Speaker 1>I'm made a comment on Instagram. I was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>doing some Instagram stories, mainly of me eating looking distressed.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, did I just blink and miss the whole

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<v Speaker 1>chat because I didn't see anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was actually looking at the social media pages

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<v Speaker 2>for the date from the bachelor's instagram and everyone was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the most romantic date I've ever seen. Their

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<v Speaker 2>perfect together. I honestly don't think I heard them say

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<v Speaker 2>one sentence other than other than the one bit where

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<v Speaker 2>Segun said, this is so beautiful, I'm speechless, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, girl, you've been speechless.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole day.

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<v Speaker 2>You hadn't said one word.

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<v Speaker 1>And also the orchestra, I didn't even hear them play,

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<v Speaker 1>but they looked great in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>I just didn't see them have any actual chemistry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>in the helicopter, they didn't actually have any conversation at all.

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<v Speaker 2>They were just enjoying the view. And I think she

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<v Speaker 2>did open up a little bit towards the end about

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<v Speaker 2>how she'd been first seven years, which is how we

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<v Speaker 2>ended up getting into our conversation for today.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was the only thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was the only thing, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if that was enough to be able to say that

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<v Speaker 2>they had this real chemistry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you said that, because I thought I must

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<v Speaker 1>have just had a micro sleep and missed the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, not just me.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't have a micro sleep. I honestly I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>sold on that first single date, to be honest, nor

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<v Speaker 2>was I.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, where did they get changed in the bush? That's

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<v Speaker 1>my point behind of it. Wind and where did the

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<v Speaker 1>dress come from? Matt? I'm sorry when they say Matt

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<v Speaker 1>set that up. You did not put that dresser.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, come, we allt don't. Don't ruin the smoke and mirrors.

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<v Speaker 2>The Bachelor organizes all the dates, actually, do you know what?

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<v Speaker 2>I can say this and attest to this. The Bachelor

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<v Speaker 2>has a very very big say on every single date.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that there's this like rumor out there that

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<v Speaker 2>all the dates are done by production. The Bachelor actually

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<v Speaker 2>gets to dictate very much the plan of the date.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and just I'm just taking it.

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<v Speaker 2>She's hateful because she thinks Matt's in love and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not with Britt. I can give you that spoiler Matt

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<v Speaker 2>and Britt do not end up together.

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<v Speaker 3>Spoiler.

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<v Speaker 2>So okay, So we got talking after the Bachelor and

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<v Speaker 2>if you've listened to our first episode, you would know

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<v Speaker 2>that Britt touched on the fact that she has been

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<v Speaker 2>single for seven years, which for some people might sound crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>because Britt, you have everything going for you, why are

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<v Speaker 2>you single? And I know that that's really an offensive

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<v Speaker 2>thing to be asked.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not offensive, it's just that it wears you

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<v Speaker 1>down sometimes when a lot of people ask you over

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<v Speaker 1>and over and over again for seven really.

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<v Speaker 2>But often there's a reason. Maybe you've chosen that, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't met the right guy yet, but you have

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<v Speaker 2>quite a good reason up until this point as to

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<v Speaker 2>why you carved out some time for yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, Laura, thanks for asking.

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<v Speaker 2>I am asking, and I really, I mean, I really

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<v Speaker 2>want to approach this sensitively for you, So I really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of want to give you the microphone a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and lead into this conversation however you feel most

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. To be honest, I'm pretty open and comfortable

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this now, but I never have really voiced

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<v Speaker 1>it on a national platform before I got to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where I started to talk a lot about it

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<v Speaker 1>with my friends, and I did mention it to Nick

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<v Speaker 1>on The Bachelor, but we didn't go quite into depth

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<v Speaker 1>because I had said I just wanted to skim the

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<v Speaker 1>surface with it and I didn't want to be airing

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<v Speaker 1>my dirty laundry on national television.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you take a little while to sort of process

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that your whole life was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the public, I one hundred percent did. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I definitely was not going on there for a

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<v Speaker 2>well is me and this is my story, Otherwise I

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<v Speaker 2>would have told it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do have an interesting story and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to help people that might be in this situation because

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<v Speaker 1>I do think it's going to be a lot more common.

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<v Speaker 1>And essentially that is well, to put it simply, I

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<v Speaker 1>dated a sociopath.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there it is. That is the end. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you listening to our podcasts. And look, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that it's fair to throw around the term sociopath really

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<v Speaker 2>nearly because we don't have any sort of degrees, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have qualifications in this. But I think once you

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this story that Britt is going to share,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty hard to say that this person or individual

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<v Speaker 2>who made these decisions doesn't display sociopathic tendencies.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and clinically I know that this person is. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, people use sociopath and psychopath interchangeably, but they

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<v Speaker 1>are different. Also, there's this big common misconception that both

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<v Speaker 1>are these violent, horrible murderers that we see on TV

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to people like shows like Criminal Minds.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, but I think that there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who are very high functioning and who have

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<v Speaker 2>amazing jobs, and they can maintain some solid relationships, but

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<v Speaker 2>they dip into being very narcissistic or they display those

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<v Speaker 2>tendencies without necessarily having to be full blown.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so there's a narcissistic personality disorder that sort of

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<v Speaker 1>goes hand in hand with a sociopath. Yes, usually they

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<v Speaker 1>share very similar characteristics, character traits. And I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna call him Luke. Okay, his name was not Luke.

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<v Speaker 2>And this whole episode is not about trying to trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make a victim out of a certain person, So

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<v Speaker 2>you want to keep him anonymous.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't about calling somebody out about awareness. It's It's

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<v Speaker 1>not a revenge podcast by any means. Definitely not.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start the story.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the reason I've been single basically for seven years.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Luke at work and Luke is he was

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<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful charismatic. He could sell water to fish.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy could he could do anything he wanted. He

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<v Speaker 1>could convince you of anything, and you would. He had

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<v Speaker 1>this air of confidence where he would walk down the

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<v Speaker 1>corridor and whether you were attracted to him or not,

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<v Speaker 1>you looked at him.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know those people? Yes, just an a real energy, just.

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<v Speaker 1>The way they carry themselves, and a little bit egotistical

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<v Speaker 1>that came out later.

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<v Speaker 2>But so sometimes that's attractive in someone as well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>having like a little bit of arrogance, especially if they're

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<v Speaker 2>in a powerful job, that can be really attractive. I

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<v Speaker 2>know I have sort of been drawn towards that in

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<v Speaker 2>a person before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just that maybe if they sit at about

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<v Speaker 1>seventy to eighty percent of arrogance, yeah, not about one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty seven, which is what Luke was sitting at. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is quite a long story, so I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna try and give you the main points. He approached

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<v Speaker 1>me and basically told me I was beautiful, taught me

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<v Speaker 1>everything I wanted to hear. We started dating immediately, and

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<v Speaker 1>within about three and a half four weeks he was

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<v Speaker 1>telling me he loved me, which is very fast in hindsight,

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<v Speaker 1>but of course I was just smitten, so I said

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<v Speaker 1>I loved him back. And it was intense. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the most intense relationship. I cannot even describe it. There

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<v Speaker 1>were probably seventy to eighty messages a day, usually from him.

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<v Speaker 1>I would respond, obviously, but and they were via so

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<v Speaker 1>many different medias, phones, emails. He'd be popping in to

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<v Speaker 1>see me at work. And when you're in this new

0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:22.080
<v Speaker 1>love and this new infatuation, you just think, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the best thing since sliced bread. Someone cares about me

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<v Speaker 1>that much, someone's so interested in me, And we delved

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<v Speaker 1>into the most intense relationship ever. Let's just say, hindsight's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful thing. So we're going to fast forward a

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<v Speaker 1>few years and then we'll come back. I found out

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<v Speaker 1>he had a double life. So after two years we

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<v Speaker 1>were getting married, he'd taken me to Tiffany's. He'd convinced

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<v Speaker 1>me to get this Rhodesian ridgeback dog. We're buying his

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<v Speaker 1>house in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>You really had set up a life for each other,

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<v Speaker 2>a life.

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<v Speaker 1>We had chosen our kids' names. It was really intense,

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<v Speaker 1>but it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also sounds like the beginning of your li relationship. He

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<v Speaker 2>just completely love bombed you, which is.

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<v Speaker 1>What you said in episode one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is like a real way of just making

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<v Speaker 2>someone feel completely adored, and that level of adoration is addictive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did. I felt like the most amazing person

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, Like he would not look at another person.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of this, I would like to say, was

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<v Speaker 1>coming from him. All these plans were his, so he

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<v Speaker 1>always made these huge romantic gestures as well. But to

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<v Speaker 1>go with that, there were a lot of downsides, but

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<v Speaker 1>I always let them slide. So there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of really last minute canceling weekends away because we lived separately,

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<v Speaker 1>and he did have a very high powered, high pressured position,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was very easy for him to say within

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes, I can't make it. I'm at work, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been called I have to go, and you sort of

0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.520
<v Speaker 1>sit back and think, oh, okay, well, you know he's

0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.879
<v Speaker 1>out there doing this amazing thing, so we'll let that go.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had this constant like disappointment. I was always

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<v Speaker 1>every week there was something. But I loved him so much,

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<v Speaker 1>so I made an excuse. The job is how he

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<v Speaker 1>got away with it for so long. He Also he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have social media, which wasn't the end of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>because this was quite a while ago. It was quite

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<v Speaker 1>new to everybody. But he somehow always knew what I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing and where I was and what I'd done

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<v Speaker 1>the day before, if I hadn't even told him yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think maybe he did have social media

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<v Speaker 2>and he just had a different profile or something, or

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<v Speaker 2>had a way of keeping tabs on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he did. Turns out he had been, for want

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<v Speaker 1>of a better word, almost talking me, I guess, from

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<v Speaker 1>day one, to the point that he would even make

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<v Speaker 1>up fake emails, fake email accounts to email me to

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<v Speaker 1>test me if I would maybe go on a date

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<v Speaker 1>with him, not knowing who he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So one day I put a picture up of me

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<v Speaker 1>in swimwear with a bunch of my friends at the beach.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd been surfy, and he's not on social media. Almost

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<v Speaker 1>within half an hour I got a message from him saying,

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<v Speaker 1>have you been putting bikini photos up? Brittany? And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, Like, what are you talking to? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Low key controlling? You should be able to put whatever, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want up of yourself on your social media

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<v Speaker 2>page without having to think how that's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I said, I'm sorry, how do you even

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<v Speaker 1>know that? I said, yeah, I put a photo up

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<v Speaker 1>at the beach and he had. He told me, and

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<v Speaker 1>he showed me the email he forwarded to me, an

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<v Speaker 1>email that he got from someone anonymous saying the most

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<v Speaker 1>horrible things about what they wanted to do to me

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<v Speaker 1>from seeing this photo. So, yeah, so I was disgusted

0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:40.000
<v Speaker 1>because I had seen this email that someone had written him.

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:41.639
<v Speaker 1>And he said, how do you think this makes me

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<v Speaker 1>feel britt like knowing people are out there seeing this

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<v Speaker 1>photo and they want to do these things too. So

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<v Speaker 1>he made me delete my social media because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>because he made me feel like there was these really

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting men. And it turns out he just had these

0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:58.520
<v Speaker 1>fake accounts and he used to he used to just

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<v Speaker 1>make people up write emails to himself so he could

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<v Speaker 1>forward them to me to control me. It got to

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<v Speaker 1>that point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow.

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Fast forwarding two years and it comes out coincidentally that

0:23:10.320 --> 0:23:13.160
<v Speaker 1>through this mutual friend that didn't know both of us existed,

0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 1>it came out that Luke was marrying someone else at

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>the same time.

0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So he was literally living a double life.

0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 1>He was literally living a double life.

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<v Speaker 2>And how was he doing this? So you were based

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<v Speaker 2>in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I was in Port McQuary, Okay, he was in

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<v Speaker 1>Newcastle and his other partner was in Melbourne, so she

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<v Speaker 1>had quite a high profile job too, and that's the

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<v Speaker 1>only reason he could really pull it off.

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<v Speaker 2>So the tyranny of distance made it easier for him

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to sort of have a life set

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<v Speaker 2>up in Port McCrory and have a secondary life set up,

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<v Speaker 2>and he just kind of could float between the two

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<v Speaker 2>of them because of his occupation.

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<v Speaker 1>So every second weekend we would go to his place,

0:23:51.040 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>this beautiful house on the beach, and he would change

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<v Speaker 1>the whole house, pack it up, change it so it

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<v Speaker 1>was suitable for me. My photos, my clothes, my cosmetics,

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.800
<v Speaker 1>everything I left, And then I would leave and turns

0:24:01.800 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 1>out he'd have to pack the whole house up and

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<v Speaker 1>hide it and reset the house for how his other

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<v Speaker 1>partner had it. And he did this every weekend for

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<v Speaker 1>two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Brett, this is insane. This is actually an insane story. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that you were such an intelligent woman

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<v Speaker 2>to think that you had the will pull it over

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<v Speaker 2>your eyes really makes me think if this could happen

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>to anyone. This isn't something that's isolated to you. Definitely,

0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:31.479
<v Speaker 2>if somebody wants to purposely deceive you, and if somebody

0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:35.200
<v Speaker 2>wants to lie, then I think this can honestly happen

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it turns out the way the way to successfully lie,

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.600
<v Speaker 1>apparently is to try to keep as close to the

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<v Speaker 1>truth as possible. Yeah, but he was setting up lives

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to the point of, we had a o Adesian ridge back,

0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and he and her had a Ohodsian ridge back, and

0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.640
<v Speaker 1>we were buying the same house, and they were buying

0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 1>the same house. We were Wow. We both wore the

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.760
<v Speaker 1>same perfumes. He made us, He bought us all the

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:01.120
<v Speaker 1>same presents. He wrote to us, Chris cards and letters

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:05.880
<v Speaker 1>that were word for word identical. I know this because

0:25:05.880 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I became friends with this woman. But they were to

0:25:08.119 --> 0:25:11.439
<v Speaker 1>the point of, let's call her Emma. There were a

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>point she was of sort of Asian descent, and I'm

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:21.159
<v Speaker 1>obviously blue eyed Caucasian. He would say, dear Brittany, I

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.160
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to have children. I hope they have your eyes.

0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.159
<v Speaker 1>But then her letter would be like, dear Emma, I

0:25:26.200 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to have children with you. I hope they

0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>have your eyes. We've got different eyes, I mean completely,

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:34.560
<v Speaker 1>but the same same sentiment. So wait, hold up and

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<v Speaker 1>rewind when you said you became friends with her, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't just say that and throw that into the conversation

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.680
<v Speaker 1>because if this is me, she would be ten foot underground,

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>which I know it's not her fault. How did you

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.800
<v Speaker 1>become friends with her? Okay? So he had told me

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>he had this ex girlfriend. Yea, he said he'd been

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:53.360
<v Speaker 1>with her a long time.

0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:53.919
<v Speaker 2>They broke up.

0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Then he met me, and I was the love of

0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>his life. It came out at dinner with this mutual

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>friend that Emma was very much still around.

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 2>So how did you know this mutual friend? And did you?

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:05.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Right right?

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 1>They were new to work and they had worked with

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Luke previously, but they were so new that I hadn't

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>gotten to the point of saying, hey, so this is

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.760
<v Speaker 1>my life. I'm dating Luke. So we just didn't even

0:26:16.760 --> 0:26:19.120
<v Speaker 1>know each other existed, like we didn't know, and he

0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 1>accidentally just dropped it to another friend. He said, hey,

0:26:21.359 --> 0:26:23.679
<v Speaker 1>have you been to Luke's when he's missus cooks? She's

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<v Speaker 1>so good And I knew that that was my Luke,

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 1>and I thought, hang on, I've never met you and

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I've never cooked for you. So I just played dumb

0:26:33.119 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 1>for a second. It took me two seconds. My heart

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:39.040
<v Speaker 1>dropped and two years flashed before my eyes. Everything was

0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>adding up like it was just like it clicked over.

0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Everything made sense for two years. I thought, oh my god.

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And so when you were sitting there at this dinner,

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<v Speaker 2>did you say anything to the people that were there?

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I probably looked a bit of psycho for

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 1>a second. I played it cool, and I thought, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Just gonna you could not even compare to how psycho

0:26:58.200 --> 0:26:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I would have looked.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just played a call for a second because

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:04.199
<v Speaker 1>I knew as soon as I told them they were

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>not gonna give me any more information. So I said, oh, Luke,

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you know that works at XX And he was like yeah,

0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:15.560
<v Speaker 1>So I thought he was single and he said, oh no, no,

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.240
<v Speaker 1>he's been with this missus Emma for like six years.

0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:22.199
<v Speaker 1>They're getting married. Did you just hear that? Then? That

0:27:22.240 --> 0:27:23.680
<v Speaker 1>was my heartbreaking. I'm not sure i've heard it.

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.280
<v Speaker 2>That was mine. I actually can't even imagine.

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So there was this table of people sitting there

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 1>and I just I ended up losing it. I got

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like so erratic. I stood up and I

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>had my phone and I was like, I'm marrying Luke.

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been with Luke for two years. Like who the

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 1>hell is this girl? And I was frantically like swiping

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 1>photos in front of their face, showing them all like

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>just all photos.

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Of us on holiday to try and prove, like not

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 2>even trying to show them how well.

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.679
<v Speaker 1>Just justify the day. I wasn't a psycho, but of

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.560
<v Speaker 1>course I had a yeah that I had a life

0:27:52.600 --> 0:27:56.480
<v Speaker 1>with this person and their face, this guy's face, I'll

0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 1>never forget it. He just looked at me with so

0:27:58.200 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>much sympathy.

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry.

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I promised you. I did not know. I don't really

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:04.400
<v Speaker 1>know what to say to you, and I just said,

0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have to excuse me, throw my cutlery down,

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>stormed out of this restaurant.

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>And so when you found out and you said that

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>everything flashed before your eyes, did you sort of have

0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:18.800
<v Speaker 2>this hindsight that things weren't right and things didn't add up?

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:24.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Definitely. I felt so ridiculous and so angry at

0:28:24.400 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 1>myself because there were so many signs and my sister Sherry,

0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:32.120
<v Speaker 1>who were so close. She would never straight out say

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:34.320
<v Speaker 1>I hate this person, don't date them, but she was

0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>constantly saying, Brie, this doesn't sound right. Why is he

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:39.680
<v Speaker 1>why is he canceling last minute? Or why did he

0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>have a piece of her clothing still? Because that would happen.

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I found something and I you know, I would quiz

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>him and I would leave that conversation apologizing to him.

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>That's how good he was. Whenever I approached him about anything,

0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I would end up apologizing and begging and crying saying

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry, because he would. He's so manipulative.

0:28:57.920 --> 0:28:59.520
<v Speaker 2>He would be able to flip it around and make

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 2>it did get your problem? Like gaslight? You too felt like, oh,

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't ask these questions, and.

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:07.240
<v Speaker 1>He had an answer to everything, Like he had this

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>huge house. Oh, she must have left it here a

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>year ago when we broke up, or always somewhere. I

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>thought it was yours and so I didn't throw it

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 1>away all ways. He was so secret of his phone.

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:20.719
<v Speaker 1>That's another thing, like would not let anyone look at

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>his phone. The manipulation in this relationship was next level,

0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was on so many levels. The abuse was

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>on so many levels. But I remember seeing one day

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>he was showing me a photo of his work, and

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>as he was swiping, I saw a video of me

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and I had never seen it before, and I could

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>see that I was nude, and I said, hang on,

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:45.800
<v Speaker 1>what was that. I was like, oh, nothing, nothing, nothing

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>swipe by and I said, no, that was I know

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>that was me, and he had filmed us sleeping together.

0:29:52.960 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Without your concer.

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>I had no idea. Wow, and I was like, I

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>don't know this, He's not cool, angry. I was just

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>really taken aback and I said, I don't know when

0:30:05.840 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>was this And he said, babe, baby, know that you

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.720
<v Speaker 1>know you'd had a few dreams. We'd spoken about it,

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>and he ended up convincing me at the end that

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.240
<v Speaker 1>I had somehow agreed to that.

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:20.600
<v Speaker 2>And I guess the thing is, when you love someone

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're lying to you, you want to believe them,

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.959
<v Speaker 2>because it's not in our innate nature to think that

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>someone's lying, especially if you're not a liar yourself. Then

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>you know you take what's said to you for face value.

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 2>And yes, there may be this underlying niggling, like insecurity

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 2>or something that doesn't quite add up. But if that

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>person is manipulative enough, they can make you feel like

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 2>you're the one who's being crazy and you're the one

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 2>who's sabotaging your relationship and you're the one who's making

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>issues out of nothing. But the reality is, when it's

0:30:54.600 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>a good relationship and there isn't any lying going on,

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>you don't feel crazy. You just don't because there's a

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 2>calmness to the relationship. Whereas I feel like, listening to

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 2>what is going on in your life with this relationship,

0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>it sounds really frantic. It was.

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>There was no calmness ever.

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 2>And high energy all the time.

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just was constantly in the wrong and constantly apologizing.

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>So there were a few things like that that happened.

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>But so we fast forward. I've just found out and

0:31:23.800 --> 0:31:27.239
<v Speaker 1>I had remembered him telling me because he because this

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>friend had said they'd been together six years, this other couple.

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I'd remembered him telling me about his ex girlfriend, So

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 1>it was she was so easy to track down. So

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>I just, first of all, I called him. He didn't answer.

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:39.600
<v Speaker 1>He's never not answered me in his life because he

0:31:39.680 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 1>was a sporterline obsessed with me. And I just knew

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>that the other guy had like, gone, mate, giving you

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>a heads up, britt nos.

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I he was the intro ye. I called him,

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>holy yeah wow. Of course he didn't how to answer

0:31:53.960 --> 0:31:54.680
<v Speaker 2>his phone.

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:57.040
<v Speaker 1>And he didn't answer, and so I messaged him and said,

0:31:57.120 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 1>call me immediately, or I'm going to tell fine this

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>other woman and tell her. And he called me back

0:32:03.440 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 1>straight away. And then as the phone was ringing and

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at it, I thought, do you know

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>what stuff you? Why am I even giving you that option.

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna tell her anyway. But I didn't pick

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>up for him.

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you think you you thought that initially because you

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>still love him. You know, love doesn't just stop immediately,

0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>and even through betrayal, usually the first reaction we have

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 2>is anger, But that is that anger doesn't necessarily mean

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>that you have just wiped the love slate clean, like

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 2>you still feel love.

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I it was the most stupid woman, but I loved

0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:41.040
<v Speaker 1>him so much. Even when I had heard that, I

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>was still making excuses in my head. As I was

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>walking down the street trying to find these girls details,

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>I was still making excuses that this has to be wrong.

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you're not stupid. Your whole identity from two

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>years has just been taken away from you. You cannot

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 2>expect yourself to understand or to process that in a

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 2>matter of second. That takes months, if not years, to

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 2>heal from. I think that to be able to kill

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.760
<v Speaker 2>from that, if you ever could heal from that, Because

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>the level of dishonesty runs so deep, how do you

0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 2>trust someone again?

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>It did form a lot of trust issues for a

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:17.040
<v Speaker 1>long while. It turns out that so I called her

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>and we spoke for seven hours, and she was amazing.

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 1>She was incredible, she said. As soon as I told

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>her as well, the last two years of things fell

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>into place for her. As we're on the phone to

0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>each other, we're sending each other emails about proof. She's like,

0:33:31.280 --> 0:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I believe you, Britt, but can you just forward me

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>this just so I can throw it in his face.

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.479
<v Speaker 1>I was sending her emails. I was like, Okay, this

0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 1>is the house we're buying. He just emailed it to me.

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:42.640
<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't get it, she would email me, I wouldn't

0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>get it. And then in front of our eyes, all

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>our emails being deleted. So he was on he already

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:52.640
<v Speaker 1>had just worked it out, was trying to save his butt.

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 1>He was at his house.

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>He was in your email.

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Emails, so I didn't even know he knew my password.

0:33:58.360 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>This is how he had been following me in one

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 1>me for so many years. He knew my passwords. He

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 1>was doing it to her too, so we were like,

0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.840
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, quickly log out, READO our password. We

0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 1>went back in and turns out we were in each

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>other's blocked senders. So I didn't know who she was,

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.640
<v Speaker 1>but in my email Emma was blocked and Brittany was

0:34:16.640 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>blocked in hers. He had just thought of everything in

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>case we had ever stumbled across each other and thought

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to try and contact each other and never would have

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 1>made it.

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.720
<v Speaker 2>The level of deceit just runs so deeply.

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>With this Yeah, he had covered himself on all levels.

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I think that's probably a testament to how intelligent he was.

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can use your powers for good or

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 2>for evil, can't you? And this guy really used his

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>powers for evil. It's just so selfish.

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>We'd be on a holiday, would be overseas, and he

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:47.200
<v Speaker 1>would force me to leave. One day he said, you

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>have to go home. I've got so much work to do.

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>You have to go tomorrow. It has to be he

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:52.520
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't let me stay, and it turns out because she

0:34:52.560 --> 0:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>would be flying in within an hour of me leaving.

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.040
<v Speaker 1>She would go and they would do their thing. And

0:34:57.960 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I felt really horrible for her because she had been

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.719
<v Speaker 1>with him for six years. But she was amazing to me.

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:07.279
<v Speaker 1>We had this amazing friendship. But I ended up having

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I changed my password over the next six months quite

0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot, and he was constantly I had this. I

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:14.439
<v Speaker 1>had something on my computer that told me where someone

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>was logging in, and he was constantly finding my password

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.640
<v Speaker 1>again and I didn't understand it. I ended up having

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>to get somebody that was in military security to look

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.040
<v Speaker 1>on my computer and everything that I typed. I don't

0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>know what the technical term is, but like a key logger, Yeah,

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.279
<v Speaker 1>it would go to him, so it doesn't matter how

0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 1>many times I changed the password.

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:36.600
<v Speaker 2>So this is actually a thing you can install. It's

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:39.360
<v Speaker 2>like a spyware, and it key logs all your passwords,

0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:42.439
<v Speaker 2>which I mean your computer does that anyway, but if

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 2>somebody is looking at your computer externally, they can get

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 2>your passwords to your banking or your email, or to

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 2>any of your private data.

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>It's absolutely I felt so violated.

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.319
<v Speaker 2>And to think that he had to go to that

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>level prior to the fact that you knew. So you

0:35:59.280 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't know for so long, you thought that this was

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a normal relationship, and yet he had already done all

0:36:05.719 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>these different things to try and control you from the

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>very get go.

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had no chance from day one.

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 2>No, you were hooked. You were just hooked.

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.919
<v Speaker 2>And I think that that's also a testament to being

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>in a relationship with someone who is narcissistic or who

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 2>has psychopathic tendencies. It is so incredibly hard to leave

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.719
<v Speaker 2>because they make it incredibly hard to leave. Well.

0:36:28.760 --> 0:36:32.920
<v Speaker 1>So one of the main characteristics of someone of a

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>sociopath is their lack of empathy. And I think this

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 1>is really important for people to know. If they feel

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>like somebody just doesn't have any emotion, any connection to reality,

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:44.600
<v Speaker 1>it's a sign. So I knew that something was big,

0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.239
<v Speaker 1>like hugely wrong when I finally spoke to him for

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the first time. The first thing he said to me,

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I picked up the phone and he said, I hope

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:55.919
<v Speaker 1>you're happy, Britt, And I was so taken, Aback, I said, sorry,

0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:56.720
<v Speaker 1>I hope I'm happy.

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Like, no, I'm devastated. My entire life has just fallen apart. Yeah,

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.080
<v Speaker 2>taking everything from me that I loved. He said, well,

0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:05.440
<v Speaker 2>you could have just kept this to yourself. You didn't

0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 2>have to.

0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Tell her, so that now I don't have either of you.

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>That was his I just was so gobsmacked. It's almost

0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>sounds ridiculous.

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 2>Repeating its like, but this is the level of selfishness

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.000
<v Speaker 2>that this person had to display.

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.960
<v Speaker 1>He said, you obviously set out to ruin my life

0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:24.479
<v Speaker 1>and you've done that, so congratulations.

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>To make you feel so do you know that in

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.680
<v Speaker 2>itself was one last dig at making you feel bad

0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and like you're the reason why this ended, Like this

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.759
<v Speaker 2>was your fault. It was unbelievable and taking absolutely no

0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 2>responsibility for the way he acted and behaved throughout this

0:37:39.239 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 2>whole relationship.

0:37:40.400 --> 0:37:45.919
<v Speaker 1>And from this I developed insomnia and anxiety because he

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>was so mad and there had been like violent outbursts

0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:52.520
<v Speaker 1>in the relationship too. He knew I lived and worked,

0:37:52.560 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 1>and he, honestly, from the depth of his heart, thought

0:37:55.360 --> 0:37:57.360
<v Speaker 1>he believes that I ruined his life. So I started

0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>not sleeping because I thought, what if this person comes,

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>What if he really really wants revenge because he thinks

0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.520
<v Speaker 1>I've ruined his life. I didn't tell my family straight

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>away for probably.

0:38:06.600 --> 0:38:08.680
<v Speaker 2>A few weeks. Why was that?

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was so embarrassed. And I know that sounds

0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>like a strange comment or a strange emotion to have,

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>but I felt like, what a loser? What an idiot?

0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:22.799
<v Speaker 1>How could you have dated somebody like this? How could

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:24.080
<v Speaker 1>you have going to marry someone like this? Like?

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:25.880
<v Speaker 2>How could they have pulled the wool over your eyes

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:26.919
<v Speaker 2>so long?

0:38:27.160 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought? And I was just for some reason, I

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 1>just felt like it was all my fault and my problem,

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's because he had trained me for years to

0:38:33.920 --> 0:38:37.360
<v Speaker 1>feel like that. I finally had to tell my parents,

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>and once I started and my sister, once I started

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.680
<v Speaker 1>telling them, it all just fell out, and they made

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:44.600
<v Speaker 1>me realize that this has nothing to do with me.

0:38:45.000 --> 0:38:47.880
<v Speaker 2>This other person has come in with real intentions to

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:52.120
<v Speaker 2>control your behavior, and your behavior was controlled. And the

0:38:52.160 --> 0:38:54.359
<v Speaker 2>way that you the things that you did in your

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>relationship with the outcome of what somebody else wanted, the

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 2>manipulation that somebody else wanted out of you, That could

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>happen to anyone.

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even the things I would wear. He used to

0:39:04.360 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 1>manipulate that. But in a way that's not like you're

0:39:06.640 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>not wearing that it was just in a way that

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 1>made me feel insecure about what I had on, and

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd end up putting on what.

0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 2>He wanted, just to like jump back to what you

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>were saying just before, and not in any way to

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:22.000
<v Speaker 2>compare your relationships to relationships that I've been through. But

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 2>in my experience, I know that when I have had

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 2>to lie to my family and friends, or like I've

0:39:28.320 --> 0:39:31.279
<v Speaker 2>had to change the story a little bit to make

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 2>my ex boyfriend seem like not such an asshole, that's

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 2>when I knew that this was really profoundly wrong, Like

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:42.439
<v Speaker 2>something was really really a problem. If I was having

0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 2>to constantly try and make excuses for their bad behavior.

0:39:46.440 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 2>Did you find that you were, at a time making

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 2>these excuses as to why he was behaving a certain way,

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 2>or keeping it from your close friends and your family

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 2>because you didn't want them to judge him. Was that

0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>something that you found that you were doing.

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.439
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent? There would be weekends that he would

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that I would plan and he would cancel last minute,

0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and it turns out it was for reasons, like Emma,

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 1>his other partner had flown in to surprise him, so

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 1>he would have to cancel a minutes notice, and then

0:40:12.840 --> 0:40:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I was so embarrassed by that that I would tell

0:40:14.760 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>my friends I had to cancel it because I got

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:20.359
<v Speaker 1>called into work and I couldn't. I just couldn't get there.

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:22.200
<v Speaker 1>And really, you just did it because it was me

0:40:22.600 --> 0:40:26.359
<v Speaker 1>constantly being knocked back, knocked down, trodden on, walked owever,

0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's a it's a funny point that you just

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>said about when you feel like you start to make

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.200
<v Speaker 1>excuses because you don't want people to know how horrible

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>they are. My best friend said the same thing the

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 1>other day when I was talking to her about this.

0:40:37.360 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>She said, my boyfriend was such a drop kick, but

0:40:40.280 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 1>she she would make excuses for him and lie to

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:46.839
<v Speaker 1>people about him, about how great he was or how

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>he got a promotion or whatever to make him sound better,

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>because she said, I was just embarrassed that he was

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 1>a drop kick, but I didn't ever want to end it.

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:54.279
<v Speaker 2>And she loved him, and she loved him.

0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she loved him.

0:40:55.719 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>But there are there are some loves that it's it's

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.760
<v Speaker 2>an addiction. It's not necessarily being in love with the person,

0:41:04.040 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 2>but it's being in love with the feeling of being

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:10.120
<v Speaker 2>in love and that in itself can be incredibly addictive.

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>And I know from my past experience with dating someone

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>who I definitely I mean, like I.

0:41:17.120 --> 0:41:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Said earlier, I'm not a counselor, I'm not a psychiatrist,

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but he displayed a lot of characteristics that would put

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 2>him in the narcissistic category. I wanted to be with

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:32.040
<v Speaker 2>him so much because I loved being in love with him,

0:41:32.160 --> 0:41:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and the relationship we had was so intense and so

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 2>heightened that I was addicted to it. But now that

0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm in a healthy relationship, it's made me realize that

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 2>healthy relationships don't have those huge peaks and those huge lows.

0:41:48.880 --> 0:41:52.839
<v Speaker 2>They run at a more constant They're calmer, and you

0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.360
<v Speaker 2>don't wake up every day thinking is today going to

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:57.600
<v Speaker 2>be a good day or is today going to be

0:41:57.600 --> 0:41:59.640
<v Speaker 2>a bad day. You just know that every day is

0:41:59.680 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>going to be good because there is that constant reliability

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:03.879
<v Speaker 2>to it.

0:42:04.080 --> 0:42:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a good point, because I was constantly walking

0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>on eggshells. Ith, It's funny you say that. Every day

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.240
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what's you going to be like today?

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:16.200
<v Speaker 2>So you have been single now for seven years, and

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>a big part of that was the healing process after

0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>dating someone who is so manipulative. How do you think

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 2>that that has changed your want to get into your

0:42:26.880 --> 0:42:29.520
<v Speaker 2>relationship or the way that you date now, or your

0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:32.080
<v Speaker 2>perception of men in general.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:37.919
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's a good question. I think my look

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:41.759
<v Speaker 1>at dating has completely changed. So I'm not single now

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 1>seven years later because of that. I don't want people

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:47.919
<v Speaker 1>to think that I really recovered well from that. Bought

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:49.839
<v Speaker 1>a one way ticket to Brazil and I was gone

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 1>for three years, so that was a pretty good healing process.

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:54.640
<v Speaker 2>And I think that you're a testament to just how

0:42:54.960 --> 0:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>well someone can get over a traumatic relationship because you

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 2>are so fiercely independent. You're such a strong woman. You

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.799
<v Speaker 2>have done so many amazing things in your own personal life.

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 2>You've traveled by yourself, You've bought your you've bought your

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 2>own property. Like you have done things in your life

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 2>that you've achieved it on your own. Yeah, and you

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 2>haven't waited for someone to come around and said, Okay,

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:21.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do that alongside you. You're like, no,

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I want to do this. I'm going to do this

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:23.959
<v Speaker 2>on my own.

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know, man, damn straight, No, it's so true.

0:43:28.920 --> 0:43:31.319
<v Speaker 1>I think everything happens for a reason. I always say that,

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 1>but this horrific situation really shaped me. And it sounds

0:43:37.120 --> 0:43:41.560
<v Speaker 1>so cliche. A bad situation, goes overseas to find yourself,

0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 1>comes back in new person to apport cliche.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's a reason why people do it. People go

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.399
<v Speaker 2>overseas because they want to escape their identity that they

0:43:49.440 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>have here. They you know, I think there's an amazing

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 2>part of traveling after something that's been traumatic because it

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 2>means that there's no hang ups, nobody has a preconceived

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 2>perception as to who you are. You get to go away. Sure,

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.360
<v Speaker 2>maybe some people might call it running away, but you

0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:07.640
<v Speaker 2>get to go away and you get to be a

0:44:07.680 --> 0:44:10.359
<v Speaker 2>new version of yourself in a fresh environment and give

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>yourself some space to grow and heal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So well. A pivotal moment for me was I

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:20.240
<v Speaker 1>was walking down the street one day and I looked

0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>in a window. I was walking a route overseas that

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>I had never walked. I looked in a window and

0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I saw this monk, this his coat. I was like,

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>what's that. I looked in and he looked at me,

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and we waved at each other. And that was the

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>start of a month that he and I spent together.

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>With a monk.

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with a monk. Where were you, I believe it

0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 1>or not? London?

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 2>You spent a month with a monk in London.

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Not what you think, right, not to bet. He wasn't

0:44:45.440 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 1>like in the Amazon jungle.

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.240
<v Speaker 2>It was just says months in the Amazon jungle.

0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know it might be. I spent a month

0:44:51.560 --> 0:44:53.440
<v Speaker 1>with him, not a month full time, just like every

0:44:53.480 --> 0:44:55.920
<v Speaker 1>day I would see him. Yeah, And the main thing

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>that I took away from him, And this is how

0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I approach life, and this is how I would love

0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:02.760
<v Speaker 1>everybody to approach life, is that your whole life depends

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:06.399
<v Speaker 1>on your reaction to any given situation. So something bad

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:08.040
<v Speaker 1>is going to happen to every single one of us

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 1>in our life. A death, a traumatic breakup, whatever it is.

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 2>And things that are completely out of our control, out

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 2>of your control.

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 1>So the situation's going to happen. You can either go

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.640
<v Speaker 1>to your room and be depressed and anxious for the

0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 1>next six weeks, or you can still deal with it

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and mourn, but you can get on with your life

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:29.840
<v Speaker 1>and take something positive from it. Either way, the situation happened,

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 1>and that's not going to change all that's changed is

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:32.600
<v Speaker 1>how you're dealing with it.

0:45:32.760 --> 0:45:36.439
<v Speaker 2>And I do think as well that you can exacerbate

0:45:36.840 --> 0:45:40.800
<v Speaker 2>your own hurt by trying to control somebody else's reaction

0:45:40.920 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 2>to a situation.

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:44.839
<v Speaker 1>In the end, to answer your question, I was single

0:45:44.960 --> 0:45:46.839
<v Speaker 1>just because I knew I didn't want to waste any

0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>more time. All of a sudden, I knew who I was,

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 1>and I knew what I wanted, I knew my expectations,

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and I knew what I deserved, and I just didn't

0:45:55.719 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 1>want to waste my time again with someone that didn't

0:45:58.120 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 1>fit that criteria.

0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 2>And I know that, and it kind of sounds bad

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 2>to have a criteria in dating, but you kind of

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 2>do need that you do. I'm actually an advocate for

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 2>having some sort of checklist. And it's not about the

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>way the person looks, and it's not the way what

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:13.359
<v Speaker 2>the person earns or the job they have or any

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:16.600
<v Speaker 2>of that sort of stuff. It's about the type of

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 2>person that they are and what they want for their

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.120
<v Speaker 2>goals in the future, so that you know from daytart

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>that your relationship marries up and that you're heading in

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the same direction. A lot of people don't want to

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:31.680
<v Speaker 2>ask those questions because they don't want to know. They

0:46:31.719 --> 0:46:33.399
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be let down at the beginning if.

0:46:33.280 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>It's not what what their goals is.

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Because if someone says, actually, do you know what, I

0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want these things that are on your checklist, well,

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.520
<v Speaker 2>then what are you going to do? Are you going

0:46:41.600 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 2>to walk away from that person and say and say, Okay,

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.239
<v Speaker 2>unfortunately I really like them, but you know what, they're

0:46:47.280 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 2>not in the same trajectory as me. Or are you

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.759
<v Speaker 2>going to waste three years and try and change that

0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 2>person to be on the same trajectory as you, Well.

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:56.160
<v Speaker 1>They exactly, and then you've wasted threes of your time.

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so I really, I mean I believe in

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 2>checklist relationships and people might disagree with me, and that's fine,

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:06.160
<v Speaker 2>but I do think it's important to sit down and

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 2>write down what you want and what you've learnt from

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:13.279
<v Speaker 2>your past relationships in order to make better decisions in

0:47:13.320 --> 0:47:14.600
<v Speaker 2>your next relationship.

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I don't write a checklist as such,

0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 1>but I don't even write a grocery list.

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 2>Yea.

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I have a general list in my head of like

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, but I'm pretty open to meeting loads of

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 1>people now, like all different walks of life totally.

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 2>And look, I'm not saying this because I think that

0:47:28.600 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 2>there needs to be the same it's just one type

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 2>of person. I think that it could be many different

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.520
<v Speaker 2>types of people, but they have similar characteristics. So that

0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:40.799
<v Speaker 2>way you're heading in the same direction. Do you know

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 2>what else is really crazy? Tell me?

0:47:43.040 --> 0:47:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I just realized. I just remember now he took us

0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:48.919
<v Speaker 1>both to the same Tiffany's.

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 2>As in you and the other woman. Yes, you both

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:53.719
<v Speaker 2>went to the same not.

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Even just Tiffany's in general, the same one.

0:47:56.400 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>What if he got the same sales rep. I don't know.

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you think he liked flirting with the danger of

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit? Do you think that there was

0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe he got off yea on this idea that that

0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 2>use it was, Yeah, like he was like a chess

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:11.879
<v Speaker 2>player in this whole game.

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And I eventually it turns out he was with

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:16.520
<v Speaker 1>thirteen other women as well in that time.

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 2>What but you know, he's just flown my mind.

0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>But he said to me, God, he said the one time,

0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, you know what, just be honest, I'm never

0:48:25.040 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 1>going to speak to you again. Just tell me. And

0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 1>he said, Okay, there were thirteen other women, but you

0:48:30.280 --> 0:48:30.840
<v Speaker 1>were the only.

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Other girlfriend, You're the one I loved. As if that

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:37.040
<v Speaker 2>made me feel better, he said he But you know what,

0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 2>maybe he said that as well. And look, may it

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.399
<v Speaker 2>may be the truth, but maybe he said that as

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:43.959
<v Speaker 2>a way of just hurting you more.

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.480
<v Speaker 1>He told me, and I believed it. He had a

0:48:46.520 --> 0:48:48.160
<v Speaker 1>tear in his eye because this is the one time

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:50.399
<v Speaker 1>I ever spoke to him and saw him, and only

0:48:50.440 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 1>because I ran into him on the street one day.

0:48:52.640 --> 0:48:53.959
<v Speaker 1>He had a tear in his eye and he said,

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, I did love you. And I

0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.879
<v Speaker 1>know everyone in Australia who's going to hate me right now,

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I believe that because I believe in this super messed up,

0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:09.040
<v Speaker 1>sociopathic way, that's love to them, because I know he

0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.080
<v Speaker 1>cared about me. He wouldn't have dated me for two years.

0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:13.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying it's normal. I'm just saying in his

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:16.919
<v Speaker 1>messed up world, there was his version of some sort

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:17.799
<v Speaker 1>of love. Yeah.

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that that's important to say that. I think

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:25.319
<v Speaker 2>what youth and I think love is someone who can

0:49:25.360 --> 0:49:27.919
<v Speaker 2>do that to you doesn't have the capacity to love

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:29.399
<v Speaker 2>in the way that we love.

0:49:29.960 --> 0:49:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Statistics say that we all everyone now has met a

0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:35.439
<v Speaker 1>sociopath in their life. They just don't know it. They're

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:37.919
<v Speaker 1>just normal people on the street that you run into

0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:38.480
<v Speaker 1>every day.

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:43.840
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes sometimes they're the most charismatic, amazing, enchanting people.

0:49:44.320 --> 0:49:46.520
<v Speaker 2>And then it's only the people who are very very

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:49.960
<v Speaker 2>close to them that can see that there's a layer

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:52.919
<v Speaker 2>or facade there that doesn't quite fit.

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Look, I'm sure this is going to hit home to

0:49:54.719 --> 0:49:57.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people to an extent, cheating the double

0:49:57.760 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 1>life the line. I just want people to I know

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:02.400
<v Speaker 1>that the embarrassment you feel, because I know there'll be

0:50:02.440 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 1>women out there listening and saying that's me. I feel

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 1>that it's got nothing to do with you. I don't

0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.960
<v Speaker 1>want anybody to feel that embarrassment or feel like they

0:50:09.960 --> 0:50:12.600
<v Speaker 1>are the victim, because you're not, and you can take

0:50:13.200 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>this into your hands and you can control your outcome.

0:50:16.040 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>It's just hard to walk away sometimes, but.

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Very hard to walk away.

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.799
<v Speaker 1>My advice too, is if you've got a really close

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.120
<v Speaker 1>friends or family that are telling you things that you

0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>disagree with, like about your partner, maybe just try and

0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.200
<v Speaker 1>open up and listen to them for a little bit

0:50:31.280 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 1>because it's coming from somewhere.

0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's coming from people who love you. It's coming

0:50:35.760 --> 0:50:39.759
<v Speaker 2>from people who genuinely have no ulterior motive other than

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:42.480
<v Speaker 2>they want the best for you. So if your friends

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:45.120
<v Speaker 2>are telling you that the guy you're dating is a dick,

0:50:45.640 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the guy you're dating could be a dick. It's true, though, Boyler,

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 2>he's a dick, he could be.

0:50:52.480 --> 0:50:55.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and love is blind. That statement is so true.

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 2>I also think it's important to touch on the fact

0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:02.080
<v Speaker 2>that when when you've been cheated on, or when you've

0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.919
<v Speaker 2>been lied to, or you've been manipulated in a relationship,

0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:08.560
<v Speaker 2>it's very easy to start to get into the mentality

0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:12.200
<v Speaker 2>of what can I do to make myself better so

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.200
<v Speaker 2>that this person won't cheat on me again or they

0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:18.879
<v Speaker 2>won't leave me? Because I know that in my past

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:24.200
<v Speaker 2>relationship where I was cheated on, my first reaction wasn't

0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 2>to think this was their fault. This is entirely their issue,

0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:32.359
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't do this to the relationship. My first

0:51:32.400 --> 0:51:35.839
<v Speaker 2>reaction was, and I'm actually almost embarrassed to say this now,

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:39.560
<v Speaker 2>was I'm not skinny enough, I'm not pretty enough, I'm

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:44.839
<v Speaker 2>not intelligent or interesting enough, I'm not funny enough. And

0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to change myself to make myself better for

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 2>them where now I look back on that and I

0:51:52.400 --> 0:51:54.879
<v Speaker 2>just wish I could talk to that broken girl and say,

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:57.799
<v Speaker 2>holy shit, get rid of that person who makes you

0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 2>feel so insignificant and so unware worthy of being loved

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 2>in the way that you deserve to be loved. Because

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 2>it was years of life where I made excuses for

0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 2>someone who made me unhappy.

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's half the battle with everybody. I don't think

0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:13.319
<v Speaker 1>there are many women out there that could put their

0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>hand up and say one hundred and ten percent, I

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 1>am happy with how I am. And I think I.

0:52:18.760 --> 0:52:20.080
<v Speaker 2>Hope that there's more women than that.

0:52:20.239 --> 0:52:23.240
<v Speaker 1>I really too, and I think we're moving in that direction.

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 1>But I think with so much outside pressure from social media,

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:32.279
<v Speaker 1>from men that are just saying, well, you could lose

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 1>a few kilos or I read something the other day

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.799
<v Speaker 1>about a girl saying her boyfriend bought her a gym

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 1>membership and just left it on the kitchen table.

0:52:39.719 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't say.

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:45.400
<v Speaker 4>Anything like the most express so on subtle, Oh, I

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 4>just you know, look, maybe let's let's play the devil's

0:52:50.080 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 4>advocate here.

0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:54.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe the gym is important to him for his mental health,

0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:56.279
<v Speaker 2>and that is he was like, you know what, you'll

0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.959
<v Speaker 2>feel happy go to the gym. I would probably kill

0:52:59.000 --> 0:53:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Matt if he tried to subtly and not so subtly

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>tell me that I needed to go to the gym

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 2>because he wasn't as attracted to me.

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the point this tells me.

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Britt, I'm so grateful that you shared this story

0:53:11.360 --> 0:53:13.680
<v Speaker 2>because I know that this is not something that you

0:53:13.719 --> 0:53:17.560
<v Speaker 2>have spoken about publicly. It is a huge and life

0:53:17.600 --> 0:53:21.560
<v Speaker 2>defining story. And I do think that there are people

0:53:21.600 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 2>who will listen to aspects of this and say, you know,

0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:27.759
<v Speaker 2>I've experienced that, or or I know what it's like

0:53:27.840 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 2>to be controlled or manipulated in a relationship. And like

0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:33.919
<v Speaker 2>I've already said, the fact that this happened to you

0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:38.040
<v Speaker 2>and someone who I think is is so independent, it

0:53:38.160 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 2>genuinely blows my mind because it truly can happen to anyone.

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.600
<v Speaker 1>If you have that feeling that just something isn't right,

0:53:44.680 --> 0:53:48.040
<v Speaker 1>it probably isn't. You've got instinct in every situation in

0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:50.600
<v Speaker 1>life really needs to be trusted and listened to.

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 2>So we did have a section that we wanted to

0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 2>start including in this podcast because we have been receiving

0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:02.719
<v Speaker 2>so many messages and questions and I love that this

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:06.600
<v Speaker 2>has become really interactive. But we are introducing a section

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 2>club Ask Uncut.

0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.000
<v Speaker 1>That was not reheart. We didn't even plan that, though

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:12.640
<v Speaker 1>we nailed it.

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>So ask Uncut. So you guys please like message us

0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:20.520
<v Speaker 2>on our Instagram, which is at Life Uncut podcast. You

0:54:20.560 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 2>can ask us your questions and we will pick one

0:54:23.000 --> 0:54:25.000
<v Speaker 2>out each week to be able to answer it for

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:29.279
<v Speaker 2>you and give you our unqualified spin on what we

0:54:29.320 --> 0:54:30.200
<v Speaker 2>think of that question.

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Very unqualified. Can we make a note.

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, please so because of the conversation we've just had

0:54:36.880 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 2>and how we've ended that conversation. The question that we

0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:44.799
<v Speaker 2>were asked today was my partner cheated on me? Now

0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I don't trust him? Do you forgive? And how do

0:54:48.239 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you move past that? Brittany, what do you think of this?

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:55.080
<v Speaker 1>This is a tough one.

0:54:56.280 --> 0:55:00.040
<v Speaker 2>Do you think it's possible to move on from a

0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:01.560
<v Speaker 2>situation where someone has cheated?

0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, to be honest, I do. I think it's very

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>dependent on the situation. But if they've come forward and

0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>they're really honest and it was an honest I can't

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:14.640
<v Speaker 1>say honest mistake. But I definitely think there are times

0:55:14.640 --> 0:55:16.560
<v Speaker 1>that you can speak as a couple and I have

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:20.680
<v Speaker 1>read studies from psychologists that say couples that there has

0:55:20.719 --> 0:55:23.960
<v Speaker 1>been infidelity have actually come out stronger because they've gone

0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and worked through it, They've worked out why it happened,

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:29.480
<v Speaker 1>and they've been better than ever. I think if you

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:32.160
<v Speaker 1>can move on happily and accept it, that's great. But

0:55:32.320 --> 0:55:35.040
<v Speaker 1>if you have said you've accepted it, but then you're

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:39.200
<v Speaker 1>going home and saying I don't trust him, how do

0:55:39.280 --> 0:55:41.839
<v Speaker 1>I internally move on? Then you're not going to if

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 1>you can't trust his everything.

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I do agree. I think that yes, it is possible

0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to move on from cheating in a relationship. However, I

0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 2>think that it fundamentally changes the relationship and it takes

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:56.400
<v Speaker 2>a long time to heal from that, and so I

0:55:56.400 --> 0:55:58.759
<v Speaker 2>think that both parties need to be realistic that it

0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.800
<v Speaker 2>might take a year or two years to really heal

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:06.280
<v Speaker 2>from some sort of infidelity, and it does depend on

0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.000
<v Speaker 2>what sort of infidelity that was. Like, we don't live

0:56:09.040 --> 0:56:11.319
<v Speaker 2>in a vacuum. There's no yes and no answer to

0:56:11.360 --> 0:56:15.560
<v Speaker 2>these questions. But I think that as we move more

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:20.080
<v Speaker 2>into a society where there's diminishing stigma around couple's counseling,

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:26.120
<v Speaker 2>there is more conversation around acceptance and putting out on

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:28.719
<v Speaker 2>the table what you need in a relationship and what

0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.200
<v Speaker 2>you want and maybe getting to the root cause of

0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:33.920
<v Speaker 2>why why did this person cheat in the first place?

0:56:34.320 --> 0:56:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Was it an absolute moment of just stupid there was

0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:41.359
<v Speaker 2>to me drinks a stupid decision? Was it something more

0:56:41.480 --> 0:56:45.319
<v Speaker 2>systematic and endemic in the relationship? So I think it

0:56:45.440 --> 0:56:48.120
<v Speaker 2>really does come down to the cause and why was

0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 2>it an actual affair? In which case there's so many

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:51.720
<v Speaker 2>more layers of lying.

0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how long?

0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Totally? And also are there dependables? Do you have children?

0:56:56.160 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Are you married? Do you own a house together? I

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:01.600
<v Speaker 2>think that when you say start bringing in more of

0:57:01.640 --> 0:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>the bigger life commitments, then there's more reasons for people

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:06.640
<v Speaker 2>to work it out. But if you've been with your

0:57:06.640 --> 0:57:09.000
<v Speaker 2>boyfriend for six months and he's done this, it makes

0:57:09.040 --> 0:57:12.160
<v Speaker 2>it so much more difficult to try and work through

0:57:12.160 --> 0:57:14.760
<v Speaker 2>that because honestly, who can deal with the drama?

0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:18.360
<v Speaker 1>I think for me, the underlying thing here is the

0:57:18.400 --> 0:57:20.800
<v Speaker 1>trust part where she says I just don't trust him.

0:57:20.800 --> 0:57:22.440
<v Speaker 1>She wants to stay with him, but she doesn't trust him.

0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, the betrayal is the most damaging part of that.

0:57:24.680 --> 0:57:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you can't trust them, and you're gonna be

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 1>wondering where they are every night. You need to leave.

0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Just call it.

0:57:30.200 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 2>What do you think of the idea if somebody has

0:57:32.320 --> 0:57:36.960
<v Speaker 2>cheated in a relationship, then their phone and their email

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:39.200
<v Speaker 2>and everything else needs to be an open book, as

0:57:39.200 --> 0:57:42.960
<v Speaker 2>in like kind of like random drug testing. So are

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.440
<v Speaker 2>you if you have trug? Yeah, but I think of

0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 2>it like that. It's like a random drug test. Like

0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:52.120
<v Speaker 2>you've cheated on me, I've forgiven you, But right now

0:57:52.160 --> 0:57:54.480
<v Speaker 2>I feel insecure. So give me your goddamn phone because

0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.160
<v Speaker 2>I want to check what the fuck you're just doing again.

0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Two sides to it. I think that a relationship should

0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:01.680
<v Speaker 1>be open enough anyway that if you're like, babe, I'm

0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:03.640
<v Speaker 1>just going to jump on and check that email. I

0:58:03.640 --> 0:58:05.880
<v Speaker 1>think you should have access to each other. But I

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 1>think if you're at the point where you feel like

0:58:07.960 --> 0:58:09.200
<v Speaker 1>they go out of the room and you need to

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:13.200
<v Speaker 1>troll through their stuff, it's not right. You're not sitting

0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:15.200
<v Speaker 1>in a comfortable, trustworthy relationship.

0:58:15.280 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 2>But I do think that if you've made the decision

0:58:18.040 --> 0:58:20.800
<v Speaker 2>to move forward from cheating, then there is give and take,

0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Because I don't think that the crime of wanting to

0:58:23.120 --> 0:58:26.720
<v Speaker 2>look at someone's phone because they've betrayed you. Matches the

0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:29.720
<v Speaker 2>crime of cheating no, so to have access. Yeah, so

0:58:29.760 --> 0:58:32.640
<v Speaker 2>if that person has asked for your forgiveness, then they

0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 2>need to understand that they're well I think this. This

0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.480
<v Speaker 2>might not be true, but I think that if they've

0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.480
<v Speaker 2>betrayed your trust and they've asked for forgiveness, then they

0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.440
<v Speaker 2>need to come to the table a little bit with

0:58:43.600 --> 0:58:47.400
<v Speaker 2>being open and also allowing you to act a little

0:58:47.400 --> 0:58:51.240
<v Speaker 2>bit freaking crazy at times whilst you're healing.

0:58:51.520 --> 0:58:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, it's bound to happen, isn't it. Absolutely Okay, we're

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 1>all good now.

0:58:55.160 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 2>It's so unfair for them to say you forgave me.

0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:00.680
<v Speaker 2>You said you weren't going to bring this up. You

0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:02.960
<v Speaker 2>can't go through my phone. There has to be some

0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:05.000
<v Speaker 2>give and take. And I'm not saying that it gives

0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:07.560
<v Speaker 2>you the liberty to do it for forever, but I

0:59:07.600 --> 0:59:11.920
<v Speaker 2>think whilst you're getting over that initial trust hump, there

0:59:11.960 --> 0:59:15.160
<v Speaker 2>needs to be some give and take in that. Okay, Brittany,

0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we've covered some pretty heavy topics today.

0:59:18.440 --> 0:59:20.919
<v Speaker 1>See thanks for bearing with us, guys, but we really

0:59:21.000 --> 0:59:22.959
<v Speaker 1>needed to get that out into the atmosphere.

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Ah, yeah, And I also think that, you know, like,

0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:28.920
<v Speaker 2>love can be amazing and love can be really shitty,

0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and so it's okay to talk about the things that

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:33.200
<v Speaker 2>are really difficult. So if you're in the midst of

0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 2>a shitty, shitty relationship or you're trying to find your

0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:38.680
<v Speaker 2>way out of something that's quite toxic, I hope that

0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.440
<v Speaker 2>there's been little parts of this today that you've been

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:43.960
<v Speaker 2>able to take away and go, yeah, I've got this.

0:59:44.200 --> 0:59:46.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. As long as one person takes something from this

0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and learn something, we're happy.

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Britt Baby, gimme your suck, and you're sweet.

0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Suck and sweet, so suck. First suck is probably the

0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that I got home to bed at about one

0:59:57.400 --> 0:59:59.960
<v Speaker 1>am and it's five am and we got up to

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<v Speaker 1>record this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, so I am so sorry. So we

1:00:03.320 --> 1:00:05.720
<v Speaker 2>were supposed to record this podcast at like a normal

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<v Speaker 2>reasonable hour of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>But because we're both ridiculous humans, oh.

1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Which is there's so much going on in life, and

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I have a baby, and so I had to be

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<v Speaker 2>here when Matt wasn't working, so we had to get

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<v Speaker 2>this recorded and finished before eight am.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, babe has five thirty and I'm like, mate, great,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it. Look it in so Brits suck is

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<v Speaker 1>me basically as we inadvertently is Laura. But let's end

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<v Speaker 1>on a suite and I hope that that's also Mary.

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<v Speaker 1>My suite is obviously you every day getting the crossotin

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<v Speaker 1>coffee with you? Is this week, my friend? No, the

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<v Speaker 1>suite's probably. I did my talk with Beautiful Minds for

1:00:40.920 --> 1:00:43.000
<v Speaker 1>mental health for the teenagers. I flew down to Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that on your Instagram's, babe, that's so wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain a little bit about what that is.

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<v Speaker 1>We just went down, me and a guy called Andrew,

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<v Speaker 1>who is amazing. He speaks to the boys, teenage boys,

1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and we just speak to them about being a really

1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:01.280
<v Speaker 1>strong woman independent, how to deal with online bullying, how

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good person, mental health issues, everything in

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<v Speaker 1>the mental health realm. And they were fourteen year olds

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<v Speaker 1>that I spoke to, about sixty of them, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was so great. They all messaged me and said that

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<v Speaker 1>they really took something away from that and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for coming. And I just felt like finally

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<v Speaker 1>I was giving something back.

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<v Speaker 2>And you go in and speak to them in schools.

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<v Speaker 1>We go to their schools anywhere astmazing. Any school in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia can call and organize it with beautiful minds. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's government funded, it's a school curriculum and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>really really amazing thing they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you're doing this. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have, you have an influential following, and to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go in and speak to young children and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, you know, sure I work in this

1:01:41.320 --> 1:01:44.560
<v Speaker 2>influencer world, but god, it's all made up and it's

1:01:44.600 --> 1:01:47.480
<v Speaker 2>all shit and smoke and mirrors. This is me. This

1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:50.040
<v Speaker 2>is what I look like. You know. I have great days,

1:01:50.080 --> 1:01:53.200
<v Speaker 2>I have shitty days. I think that it's so important

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<v Speaker 2>for young people to actually see what an influencer in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing inverted comments looks like in a real Oh yeah,

1:02:00.720 --> 1:02:02.800
<v Speaker 2>we've got a camera set up here, what an influencer

1:02:03.040 --> 1:02:06.240
<v Speaker 2>looks like in real life. So yeah, I think that

1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:08.080
<v Speaker 2>that's really beautiful that you're doing that, and I love

1:02:08.120 --> 1:02:10.560
<v Speaker 2>that that's your suck and you're sweet and what's yours?

1:02:11.040 --> 1:02:15.200
<v Speaker 2>My suck for suck and my sweet my suck. My

1:02:15.280 --> 1:02:17.919
<v Speaker 2>suck was probably also getting up at five point thirty

1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:19.880
<v Speaker 2>to do this podcast after I just got up at

1:02:19.920 --> 1:02:24.320
<v Speaker 2>four thirty to breastfeed Marley and also Maley pete and

1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:26.640
<v Speaker 2>pood all over herself during her sleep last night, So

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<v Speaker 2>that was really interesting to deal with. Yeah, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are so welcome for these details. I told you that

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<v Speaker 2>every week My suck and my Sweet was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be something baby related.

1:02:35.960 --> 1:02:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I have an inkling maybe you're sweet might not be

1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:38.680
<v Speaker 1>baby related.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yes, my sweet is actually pretty great. So this

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<v Speaker 2>week I don't know if anyone was following my Instagram,

1:02:43.360 --> 1:02:45.600
<v Speaker 2>but this week Matt and I we took our first

1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:50.840
<v Speaker 2>trip to Melbourne. So we flew on a plane with Marley.

1:02:51.320 --> 1:02:54.200
<v Speaker 2>It was a success. She slept and we did a

1:02:54.280 --> 1:02:56.520
<v Speaker 2>trade show called Life in Style and Life in Style

1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:59.440
<v Speaker 2>is a great, big wholesale trade show which is a

1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:01.439
<v Speaker 2>way of getting your brand out there. And I don't

1:03:01.480 --> 1:03:03.560
<v Speaker 2>know if you guys know, but I have my own

1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.400
<v Speaker 2>jewelry business, and so for me, it was a really

1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:09.720
<v Speaker 2>amazing opportunity to one feel like an adult again and

1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:13.040
<v Speaker 2>talk to other adults and be working without something attached

1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:15.520
<v Speaker 2>to your breast. Yeah, I was just really amazing. Matt.

1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:17.760
<v Speaker 2>Matt came down. He stayed with me for the full

1:03:17.840 --> 1:03:21.120
<v Speaker 2>five days. He stayed with the Airbnb and took care

1:03:21.160 --> 1:03:24.200
<v Speaker 2>of Marley and just just did everything that he needed

1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:26.640
<v Speaker 2>to do. He did was full on dad mode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love I saw a lot of selfies and

1:03:28.080 --> 1:03:31.000
<v Speaker 1>he was stoked, like matching beanies. He his loving dad life.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so good because in the past six weeks

1:03:33.320 --> 1:03:34.919
<v Speaker 2>he hasn't had a lot of time on his own

1:03:34.960 --> 1:03:37.400
<v Speaker 2>with Maley without me being a bit of a helicopter.

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<v Speaker 2>So it gave him the autonomy to just be a

1:03:40.160 --> 1:03:42.920
<v Speaker 2>dad without me telling him what to do. And it

1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:45.880
<v Speaker 2>also gave me the freedom to be a business owner

1:03:45.920 --> 1:03:49.400
<v Speaker 2>again and to work for Tony May and to work

1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:52.880
<v Speaker 2>for myself. And I just felt so invigorated. I mean,

1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:55.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm tired, but I'm so invigorated from a week of

1:03:56.200 --> 1:04:00.120
<v Speaker 2>doing that. And I really feel like it's possible to

1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:02.680
<v Speaker 2>be a new mum and to have the business and

1:04:02.720 --> 1:04:04.960
<v Speaker 2>to have the relationship and to have all these different

1:04:04.960 --> 1:04:07.000
<v Speaker 2>facets of life and juggle it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I take my hat off some because you were

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<v Speaker 1>doing I'm proud of you. Thank you.

1:04:10.720 --> 1:04:12.959
<v Speaker 2>I think I need to said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Cast You've got a thousand things on your mind, but

1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:17.680
<v Speaker 1>you still nailed it and very successfully.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks babe. I'm really lucky. I have an amazing support network,

1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think that that is so crucial when you're

1:04:24.760 --> 1:04:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a new mum. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks for listening, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, thank you for listening. I am I'm honestly thank

1:04:33.080 --> 1:04:35.840
<v Speaker 2>you for sharing. Yeah. Sorry, that was a bit heavy today, No,

1:04:36.160 --> 1:04:38.880
<v Speaker 2>never apologized, that was why we got into this. I'm

1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:41.800
<v Speaker 2>so grateful for you sharing your story, and I'm sure

1:04:41.800 --> 1:04:43.680
<v Speaker 2>that people who are listening and who've gotten this far

1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:46.120
<v Speaker 2>are very grateful for it as well. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>that it's a big deal for you to put this

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<v Speaker 2>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad it's finally out there. I hope someone's life

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<v Speaker 1>has been changed slightly. But guys, feel free to write

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