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Speaker 5: Hi, I'm Amanda and I'm Rumby. Welcome to It's Layered.

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Speaker 2: We're in a long distance friendship that started over twenty

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Speaker 6: We'll be talking all things life, love, family, anything and

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Speaker 5: Today we're super excited.

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Speaker 6: We've got the beautiful, the talented one guy Shawa.

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Speaker 1: Hi, one guy, Hey, Hey, I love that you're like

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Speaker 5: So you are? And she just reminded us it's Black

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Speaker 2: So yes, I wonder recording this happy Black History Month.

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Speaker 2: No better time is blacker and more beautiful. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: Thank you Amanda Rumby for having me on show. I

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Speaker 1: I traditionally I used to hate this month because of

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Speaker 3: I digress.

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Speaker 1: But now I love this time of year because it's

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Speaker 3: It's inspirational.

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Speaker 1: And then right after Black History Month in the US

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Speaker 3: Yes, It's like, yes, I still get to celebrate me because.

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Speaker 2: I'm exactly Well, thanks so much, Guy for being here.

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Speaker 2: For anyone who doesn't know her, Moon Guy is an

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Speaker 7: Okay, Notice today we'll be talking about global citizenship or

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Speaker 1: Just as when people say the slogan black history is

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Speaker 1: We should all learn each other's histories because then we'll

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Speaker 2: But I think, I think though we put those limitations

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Speaker 2: That then comes, Amanda. You've alluded to and we've spoken

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Speaker 2: And you're like, oh, I'm Australian, No, but like where

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. Maybe am you can touch

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. And when guys said this too,

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Speaker 5: So what are you? What are you?

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Speaker 5: So it's like, well, yeah, we're now just being lumped together.

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Speaker 5: We're very serial for this.

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Speaker 6: You know, if you don't act a certain ways, speak

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Speaker 1: this is good that it was gone situation. And so

443
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking through this family tree and I sit down

444
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: with my mom and she like, the first thing I

445
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: see is like like three or four sets.

446
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: Of names, and I'm like, what are these names?

447
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: And then she's like, Oh, those are the names that

448
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 1: your family went by before the like the name you

449
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 1: have now.

450
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 3: I'm like what, Like that was sweet?

451
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: So in another life, we were I don't know this

452
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: family insert name. I'm not going to give the names away,

453
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: but like we were like insert this family. It's like yeah,

454
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: and they would change over time, and I'm like, who

455
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: creates these rules that like they change? So I find

456
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 1: that fascinating because just as you have in I guess

457
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: Western cultures where you would have Robertson which means son

458
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: of Robert or I don't know, insert word which means

459
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: works on the boats or paves the tiles or something,

460
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: I had a similar thing happening out here. Were my

461
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: great grandfather he walked from Zambia to Zimbabwe, Like that

462
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: was a thing you did, Like he walked, he had

463
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 1: to possibly face animals and yeah, but it doesn't make

464
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: him any less Zimbabwean because like he ended up settling

465
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: in Zimbabwe for sure.

466
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: I think from my on my mom's side, my mom

467
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: was telling me that they are descending. They descended from

468
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: each Africa, like her family came from. So like oh,

469
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: and it's like no one really really belongs per se

470
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: where they It's kind of people just like oh I

471
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: kind of like living here, I'm going to stay you know.

472
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, in generations form, it's like a whole Abrahamic thing.

473
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: It's like the Bible. It's like let's go travel.

474
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: Oh, we like it here, we stayed here, and then

475
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: maybe someone else leaves and then they start and then

476
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: we're all like interconnected through abraham even though we live

477
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 1: in different places.

478
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: It's yeah, it's a it's also confusing.

479
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 6: And sometimes conflict captains within families. Like I know, for me,

480
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 6: we have a distant uncle who's not that distant, but

481
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 6: because he was like scrough to you guys and went

482
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 6: to find his own family, so obviously like twenty years,

483
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 6: thirty years, fifty years, hundred years from now, it was

484
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 6: just going to be another branch that's like you're actually related.

485
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 6: But because there's just that break and he went somewhere else.

486
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 6: It's like you just never know.

487
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: To say, not to get political. But I'm like, that's

488
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: basically like Judaism and Islam, they come from the same brand. Yeah,

489
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: nobody wants to talk about that.

490
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 5: A lot of Yeah, a lot of religions are branched

491
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 5: in the Yeah.

492
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 6: Anyway, do you guys see being a global citizen or

493
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 6: even a third culture kid? And like Rumbia and I

494
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 6: are very conscious of this on our podcast of trying

495
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 6: to like not always speak from a place of privilege,

496
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 6: try and try present like everyone's voices and everyone's feelings.

497
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 6: Do you see it as like a luxury? Like are

498
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 6: we speaking from Oh? Yeah, I traveled, so now I've

499
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 6: got three cultures you know, except me or because some

500
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 6: people will never travel and you spoke about this, you

501
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 6: talk about accents. Some people will have the same accent

502
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 6: their whole life because they'll never have an influence of

503
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 6: at least they consciously go on TV and learn another accent.

504
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: They sorry to cut in, but they will have a

505
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: tribal influence like you.

506
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 6: No, but what I mean is the tribe won't be

507
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 6: influenced by another you know, they could stay, you could

508
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 6: grow up and go quit and die in go quit.

509
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 5: You don't have to go anywhere else.

510
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: You don't have to Your family is like from I

511
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: mean your mom's from like I don't know, Buhera, and

512
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: your dad's from Rushing Goo, I don't know.

513
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 5: But then yeah, you've you've now got that and you

514
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 5: could keep.

515
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 6: That until the day you die, because you could then

516
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 6: marry a guy who also grew up where you grew up, you.

517
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 7: Know what I mean.

518
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: Like, it's not you don't want the same experience.

519
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 6: You can't say or if change over time, that can't

520
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 6: like you can't blanket any bring no.

521
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: I meant like, if we were like breaking this down

522
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: to linguistics, there's this idea that like, like, okay, so.

523
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: Where were you born in Zimbabwe?

524
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: In Karai, you're worn haare that Like there are distinct vowels.

525
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: If you're from Hanada, you sound this way. So growing

526
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: up you probably would have heard words from one dialect

527
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: another dialect and being in Hai and I.

528
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 6: Could meet someone else who had the exact same experience

529
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 6: as me.

530
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 5: You can't say that can never happen.

531
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: The the exact same Yeah, but there, yes, they can

532
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: have the same background. But we're Also we also have

533
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: to think about face muscularity.

534
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: Like this is when you.

535
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: Have to then break it down as a science, like

536
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: face muscularity, does the person has a list?

537
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: But do they Stuttery.

538
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: Is really talking about a distinctly different experience. So like,

539
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: obviously Zimbabwe has many influences from Mozambique, malay We and

540
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: you know from But I'm saying like to have a

541
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 2: really distinctly different influence on our culture, oftentimes on how

542
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 2: you speak or who you are. It oftentimes is about

543
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: you moving or living in a different space or being

544
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: you know, being removed.

545
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: Okay, but not accent because there's no Again, I'm dispelling

546
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: this idea. There's no such thing as an accent because

547
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: we're just influenced by all these different things.

548
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 5: With similar accents.

549
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

550
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: So as someone who hears people's vowels, I'm dispelling the belief.

551
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: So I'm and Amanda different. We do speak different.

552
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: My brother has an American, like a very American accent,

553
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: and mine Tilts British. We have the exact same parents.

554
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: We went to different schools, but we had.

555
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 6: Different Nobody said the exact same upbringing would you have

556
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 6: then I see very similarly to my sister.

557
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 5: For example, yeah, some people I was about to say

558
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 5: that on the.

559
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: Phone, and I'm like, it's okay, So.

560
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: So Rumby and Amanda, I am in agreement about this

561
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: idea of having like, you know, a distinct upbringing. When

562
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: I say, you know, I believe that the seven wonders

563
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: of the world should be enjoyed by everyone, I'm saying

564
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: that from a point of you know, travel is a luxury,

565
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: and travel is a privilege, even just.

566
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: To like leave your village or leave your.

567
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: Country, and you know that pretty much sucks and there

568
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: needs to be more access. I put that in one

569
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: I put that on one side. Acts and stuff I'm

570
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: putting to another side. I'm sorry, I'm going to fight

571
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: this as as someone.

572
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: Who literally like hears things.

573
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: Rumby, I'm going to sit down with you and your

574
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: sister and I'm going to pull apart the different vowels

575
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: that and consonants intonations that sound different between you and

576
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: your sister. The average person will not hear them, but

577
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: I will because.

578
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: The average person Yes.

579
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm.

580
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 6: Saying, as an average person, though, is this idea or

581
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 6: is this upbringing a luxury? And That's probably why. Also

582
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 6: people feel like they can market, they can judge it,

583
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 6: especially come from the Zimbabwean quantics, because they're like, while

584
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 6: you're salad, while you grew up in this in China, whatever.

585
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 6: Of course you're different, so when you come back home,

586
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 6: they feel like you're on another pedestal, So we need

587
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 6: to bring you down a few notches.

588
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: The third culture kit experience experience.

589
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 7: You know.

590
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: For example, I remember I would go visit my grandma

591
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 2: and cousins and it was kind of like, oh, this girl,

592
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: because we lived at that time I think, in Ghana,

593
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: and you felt kind of ousted because you're different and

594
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 2: your parents kind of made a different choice to what

595
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: is quote unquote the norm to what was seeing back home.

596
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 2: I do believe it goes both ways in terms of

597
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: being a third culture kid being a luxury, traveling being

598
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: a luxury, and it being a necessity. If you think

599
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: about from a Zimbabwean perspective, a lot of people moved

600
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: from zim or were quote unquote displaced out of economical reasons,

601
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: so it became more of a necessity. However, the implication

602
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 2: is if you go out and make a better life

603
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: for yourself, you're going to make more money. Therefore it

604
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: is a luxury because you can afford certain things. But

605
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: it's like, no, I actually did it because I couldn't

606
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: survive within this framework.

607
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: Well, we then have to bring sorry, and.

608
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: Then I think the judgment then now becomes around the

609
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: you did this and thought you decided to make a

610
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 2: better life for yourself, so now you're coming back and

611
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: showing off or thinking you're better than me. That's how

612
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: I see it on one end. On the other end,

613
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 2: where I am currently in the Czech Republic, people feel

614
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: no desire or no need to travel beyond their frame

615
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: of reference because life for them is good and they

616
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: have the luxury off a good life, where traveling is

617
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: like why would I want to do that? Unless I'm

618
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: going to the mountains to ski? That that's a different

619
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: like Italy to ski, I don't need to If I

620
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: really want to go to the beach, I'm going to

621
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: go to Croatia. Do you understand? So there's also the

622
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: luxury in being able to like I don't need to

623
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: do that. Why do I need to hop on a flight? Like?

624
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: So it kind of goes both ways. I think often

625
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: travel is like put in this you know, great light

626
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 2: like oh, travel holiday, but there's a lot of if

627
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: you think about just the traffic from zim Essay or Zimbotwana,

628
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: it's not luxury for the most part. It's necessity. It's

629
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: like I'm going to find some hustle, buy some things

630
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 2: that I'm going to resell or I need to survive

631
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: and live. So it's tricky for me. I don't know

632
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: how you you feel, one guy on that, like in

633
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: terms of like the luxury aspect of it that people

634
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: often judge and it's quick to come to people's mind

635
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 2: and like whether it's a necessity.

636
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: It's really great that you bring those two kind of

637
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't know you. Again, it's it's still eight am

638
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: here in New York, so my brain isn't.

639
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 3: I love that.

640
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: You you bring these two images to mind of like

641
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: the travel you see on Instagram, which is people on

642
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: yachts and picture perfect, filter perfect photos and vacations and

643
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: all of that, And and how within the same group

644
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: you can have like, well, I have no desire to

645
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: go and see the world and learn things.

646
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: I'm not.

647
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: How can yes, I'm just like, how can you have

648
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: the Okay, that's that's fine. It's a free world and

649
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: then the image of you know, the necessity of wanting

650
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: a better life for yourself, for your children, just for survival.

651
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: This is when it gets even more convocated because she

652
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: ne male heirs. Within that second image, if we're saying,

653
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: if we're basing this home Zimbabwe, like you know, the

654
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: idea that you said, people think, oh all the people

655
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: that have left you guys are popping bottles and living

656
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: your life da da da, Or like like you said

657
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: about just you know, having the means to go buy

658
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: a car or bus to Botswana for example, you then

659
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: also have to you bring it down another layer of

660
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: saying not only is travel potentially expensive, well I know

661
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: it to be expensive, it is also very paperwork heavy.

662
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: So the requirements and qualifications and I don't know all

663
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the stuff documents that you need to fulfill to be

664
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: able to get a visl to be able to cross

665
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: the border is another thing. So even before saying the

666
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: person who is going from being displaced out of Zimbabwe

667
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: to a neighboring country versus the people the people who

668
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: are going to Bali on some sort of you know,

669
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,439
Speaker 1: spiritual quest, I mean, I don't blame them, I want

670
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: that for myself the forma may seem like, I guess

671
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: if we're saying this is some sort of pyramid, I

672
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: don't know why I'm making a pyramid, but I guess

673
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: it is. Now the one where it's like the person

674
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: is going out of necessity falls below it falls below

675
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: the trip to Bali or the trip to I don't know,

676
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: Mikonos or something somewhere extravag Again, that's like on Instagram, right,

677
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: So that one is falling below that, and then below

678
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: that are the people who don't even have a couple

679
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: dollars to just ensure money on their table or money

680
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: to send the child to school. So it's then this

681
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: weird thing of levels where like the person who is

682
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: leaving the country out of necessity is then more privileged

683
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: than another person.

684
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: Yes, because they are able to access a the money

685
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: to get the visa or the paperwork done, or to

686
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: pay for that ticket, whether it's bus or train or

687
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: whatever means they go yeahs.

688
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: And sometimes it's not even like you know, the person

689
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: had the money in their account. It can be a

690
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: crowdsourcing community led. So we're all going to make sure

691
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: that Rumby gets to South Africa well or gets to

692
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: this place where hopefully she can find a job cleaning

693
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: this and from that on see what goes on.

694
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

695
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 6: And mind you, though people were passing a judgment usually

696
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 6: have one idea, so.

697
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 5: They're not going to go into the layers of travel.

698
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 6: They're just going to be like they're paying for ballei

699
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 6: where they're paying for a bus ticketing.

700
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 5: So when people are passing judgment, they.

701
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 6: Don't really give you that space to explain and layers

702
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 6: they're just like, as long as you're getting, you're going somewhere,

703
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 6: you're now different.

704
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 2: And people make those moves under wraps anyway, so you're

705
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: not explaining to every family. But if I tell you

706
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: the pele, oh my gosh, and then I have to

707
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: do this and then I have no one really shares that,

708
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 2: especially not your experience in context that I've experienced. Nobody

709
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: shares the process they're off. Hence maybe the amplified judgment

710
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: because like all of a sudden, she just jetting off

711
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: to not knowing what it intends.

712
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I think I feel like it's it's

713
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: it's two things again. This is something I've I've learned

714
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: as an actor. We never want to put ourselves in

715
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: the position of the other us and to understand, you know,

716
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: how they acted and why they acted. So no one

717
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: is going to pause for a second to be like, oh,

718
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: you know what, Rumbi was presented with this opportunity. Had

719
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I been presented with this opportunity, would I can I

720
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: confidently say no, I'm staying in Zimbabwe, like you know,

721
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: like and and so there's that one side. And then

722
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: just as you are alluding to your experience with keeping

723
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: things under wraps, it's because I feel like there's very

724
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: much this thing in our culture of like we can't

725
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: have bad vibes surrounding this, Like we can't just tell

726
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: everyone because you know, they'll put bad vibes out.

727
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: They'll like go to Nanga, they'll curse you, like you know.

728
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: They'll they'll talk talk to everyone about this thing. And

729
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: then like if the thing fails, then everyone knows the things.

730
00:40:53,880 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, for sure, But yeah, I think for that

731
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 2: being said, in being or in feeling different or feeling

732
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: like you don't really belong, there's also the desire to

733
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: uphold your culture. And I feel it more since I

734
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: left home, obviously, because I think maybe you're trying to

735
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: search for that grounding and that kind of you know,

736
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: a piece of home wherever you are. How do we

737
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: even like maintain the essence of who we are in

738
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: spaces where we are a minority, because you're also a minority.

739
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: Even when you move to another country and you ladies

740
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 2: could talk on this, you know, like I'm here in

741
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: the Czech Republic as a Zimbabwean person, my experience is

742
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: very distinctly different to other Zimbabweans I know off here

743
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: who maybe just moved from Zimbabwe to the Czech Republic.

744
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 2: I have additional layers to my experience, and so I

745
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: can't say definitively mine is the Zimbabwean experience because it's

746
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: absolutely not. But you still try to hold onto elements

747
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: of your culture, be it through language. As you can

748
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: see behind me, I have, you know, an African you know,

749
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: something hanging on my wall, you know, trying to feel

750
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: connected like and how do you hold onto that? And

751
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: then who gives us the permission to quote unquote maintain

752
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: that when we're saying I don't quite mean feel connected

753
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: to my culture in this aspect, but I'm not gonna

754
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: pick and choose what I feel connected to. Do you

755
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: get what I mean? Like if we're going to keep

756
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: it one hundred. It's like do we take it all?

757
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: Like how do you how do you maintain that connection

758
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: to home which is not really home?

759
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 6: Well, even home doesn't keep the connection like we live

760
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 6: with electricity and like we didn't grow up. Like if

761
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 6: you look at our ancestors, it's not like they were

762
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 6: living the same experience exactly. So it's kind of unfair

763
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 6: that we can't evolve, it can't change. It's like, yeah,

764
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 6: this gatekeeper issue. It's just like when you go back

765
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 6: home and people are trying to tick off a list.

766
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 6: Can you still cook? Can you still do this? Can

767
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 6: you still make monasa that? Can you still And it's

768
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 6: like okay, like even if I lost some of those things,

769
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 6: like unfortunately probably with life and experiences, some things will

770
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 6: fall away, right, that's how and cultures evolve. But it's

771
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 6: almost like sometimes it's Zimbabweans, it's like set like you

772
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 6: cannot And I don't know if it's just our nature

773
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 6: or but especially women like I mean, and I talk

774
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 6: about this all the time, where you go back home

775
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 6: and it's like you put it through a test of

776
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 6: things like can you still cook permotal?

777
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 5: Can you do this? Can you do that and you're.

778
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, yeah, like just to just prove that you've

779
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 6: lost I've not lost your culture. At the same time,

780
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 6: it is important to hold on to some of these things.

781
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's layered malayers.

782
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Like I've come to the conclusion and like two years

783
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: ago that home is something I'm cultivating within myself, Like

784
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: am I feeling okay and at home in my body

785
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: first and in my mind before I decide to feel

786
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: at home in a physical space Bars.

787
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: Bars. I once watched this Ted talk I forget who

788
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: was by It said, don't ask me where I'm from,

789
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: ask me where I'm local, And I think you just

790
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: took it to another place, which is like, don't ask

791
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 2: me necessarily where I'm local, but like who I am basically,

792
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 2: because like if you make yourself home and yourself home,

793
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: it's like finding that routine what grounds you, what you know,

794
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 2: roots you, and who who you are? So that's beautiful.

795
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: It's like that question instead of what do you do?

796
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: What are you passionate about?

797
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I think that's the thing, right because it's

798
00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: such a it's such a t also a thing that

799
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: you know, I think looking at the three of us,

800
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: we all have that tension. There's definitely a tension that

801
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 2: comes with being a global citizen and a third culture kid.

802
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: I'm curious to know from you, one guy, in your experience,

803
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 2: is there anything that you wish had been different or

804
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 2: like growing up with your experience? On your podcast, you

805
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: shared about how also feeling different when you moved back

806
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: to Zim because you lived elsewhere then moved back to

807
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: live in Zim and you had that way, you know,

808
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 2: and that so anything you.

809
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 3: Aring my first time in Zim?

810
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So do you wish anything happened differently or

811
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: do you regret any of how that that played out

812
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: for you?

813
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: I kind of wish that my my introduction or reintroduction

814
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: to Zimbabwe because I was so I was born in Zimbabwe, yes,

815
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: but then moved to the UK when I was very young,

816
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: and we would make true back and forth to Zimbabwe,

817
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: but they were so short that I barely remember them.

818
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: But my mom's recollection is like, you know, I loved

819
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: it and I was out and I was running and

820
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: I was playing with people and all this stuff, you know,

821
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 1: just being free as a child.

822
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 3: And then moved.

823
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: Back, like you know, we moved back, moved back when

824
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: I was seven and again we changed people every seven

825
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: years just because developmental stuff, hormonal stuff, all the outside

826
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: factors influencing us. I would love if my reintroduction to

827
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: Zimbabwe to home had been a more positive one because

828
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: and this could be me mismembering history because again I

829
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: was I was so young, but I remember being excited.

830
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: I mean, in my mind, I thought Zimbabwe was a

831
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: Caribbean island, so I was excited.

832
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, palm Tree's gonna be hot.

833
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, vacation.

834
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: I'm like cool, we wow, it doesn't know, it's not

835
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 3: called like London, Oh wow, super hot.

836
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: And I kind of had this idea that would be paradise,

837
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: and I feel like at the time I was faced

838
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: with like, oh how tai shana, this, this, this, this, this,

839
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: and and just not even that. It was just like

840
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: the culture shock of things being different, like breakfast foods

841
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: being different, sounds being different again, different weather and.

842
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 3: I guess that.

843
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,439
Speaker 1: And then also then going to school and then being

844
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: bullied like I was, which kind of like tainted the

845
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: idea of paradise that I had. And it's something that

846
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: I'm still working on healing because then when I speak

847
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: to people like y'all who you know were there since

848
00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: birth without interruption. Your experience of Zimbabwe is different from

849
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: my experience of Zimbabwe well.

850
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 8: Mine, And I was okay but like I'm sorry, okay,

851
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 8: let's just not assume and pect.

852
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 6: But I was like.

853
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: But like from people who say, like, oh, like you know,

854
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: when I was in Zombabwe and people are like, oh,

855
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: your home are you so lucky?

856
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 3: Like I miss it?

857
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: And when people you know reference their childhood and their

858
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: time there, it's something I don't quite understand and will

859
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: never understand and it sometimes makes me feel sad.

860
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: So when I moved back to Zim, I was ten

861
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 2: years old, like when we moved back from Ghana to

862
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: Zim and it had been sold to me by my

863
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: parents like an amazing place, and then it was just

864
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 2: like the decline of the economy happened soon after our return.

865
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: So like so there was that find if like wait

866
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: what they said it was gonna be paradise, you know, Like.

867
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: So I it's just that y'all said you was growing

868
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 3: up because I feel cheated. I want my money back.

869
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, And like for me, I moved schools and

870
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 6: like it's like one of those things when you move.

871
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 6: My mom was sick as well, was when I was

872
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 6: in primary school, so that's also another thing people use

873
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 6: against you.

874
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 5: And that was when the AIDS pandemic.

875
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 6: Was huge, So as soon as you're sick, people just think, oh,

876
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 6: she's got like So it's funny because it's like I think,

877
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 6: and I was just going to say this.

878
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 5: About childhood in general.

879
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 6: It's so layered and people find anything to make you

880
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 6: an outlier. So sometimes you think, oh, we didn't like

881
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 6: me because I was a third culture kid, but it's

882
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 6: just because to them, what the general wolf pack was

883
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 6: was you're different.

884
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 5: Because in some schools, third culture kids were celebrated.

885
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 6: Like oh she's from the States and put love that

886
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 6: and follow you and so obviously for yours.

887
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 5: The opposite.

888
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, but someone else could have an experience where they

889
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 6: were like America, I'm not going to go back because like, yeah,

890
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 6: I'm I'm the thing. I'm the one people following Rumby's

891
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 6: experience as well where it's like, oh, just not what

892
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 6: I pictured, Like I had.

893
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: Your accents on my accent, they're like why.

894
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And for me they're like why are you

895
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 5: moving schools? Who are your real friends? And I don't

896
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 5: have connections.

897
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 6: Why when I went to high school, it was so

898
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 6: important for me to have six years just at one

899
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Speaker 6: school because I could have that solid you know. And

900
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Speaker 6: obviously when you have a parent who's sick, you're in

901
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 6: and out of school, and every sub boarding school was.

902
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 5: A good ground.

903
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 6: So obviously I just think sometimes when we're kids, it's

904
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 6: such a pivotal time, but it's also such a sad

905
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 6: time because we put this thing like this is the

906
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 6: reason why, and like there's so many area Yeah yeah, why,

907
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 6: Yeah it sucks. I've all got bullied, but whatever happened

908
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 6: to us for whatever reason.

909
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think just as I was saying that, like,

910
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'll never truly understand, you know, the connection

911
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: that my parents have t Zimbabwe or other people have

912
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: when they're like oh home, Oh I miss it so much.

913
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: I hate it here in the UK, I hate it

914
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: here in America or whatever. You know. I like part

915
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 1: of my grieving processes and why I had to then

916
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: dig deep into this generational healing and generational trauma is

917
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 1: then understanding that my child's connection to wherever they will

918
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: be born, I will not understand that, and my child

919
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: will not understand what my upbringing.

920
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: Was and yeah, that's your mind if in that way,

921
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: it's like, yo, how can this you know? And I

922
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: think to speak to people who feel like, oh I

923
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: want to be home. I don't like it in the

924
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: UK or whatever it is, because they are having the

925
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: experience of being ousted and you are different and made

926
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: and ever it makes you feel that way and you

927
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 2: know you only belong because you are labor or because

928
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: you provide a service. That's all you're wanted there for,

929
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 2: Whereas I mean back home, you have you know, relos

930
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,240
Speaker 2: who don't do jack, living off the rest of the family,

931
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: but they still belong you know what I mean? Like this,

932
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: it's because when you leave home you have to provide

933
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 2: something that you must bring value, that's all. Do you

934
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And it becomes is this all

935
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: I'm worthy or good for? Is just my me breaking

936
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: my back working? However many jobs, like do you know

937
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: what I mean? So there's also that added layer of

938
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: it all. We've spoken a lot about the complexities of it.

939
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: Like maybe for me though, I want to say, like

940
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: the beautiful thing about being a third culture kid is

941
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: I can relate to a lot more people and have

942
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: the empathy towards people because I know everything is not

943
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: as it seems, you know, like just like you're able

944
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: to be like I mean, this guy's kind of a douche,

945
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 2: but you know he's probably never it's someone like me,

946
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: and he's probably trying to be like, oh what are

947
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: you doing here? Like we just move with a different

948
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: level of like, you know, empathy, if that makes sense.

949
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: What are some of the awareness and awareness what makes

950
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: you guys like at least what makes it worth it?

951
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 2: Because ultimately people who don't see being a global citizen

952
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: worth it, they just move back home, do you know

953
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: what I mean? So what makes it worth it for

954
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: you to continue to exist as a global citizen or

955
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: as I mean, I don't really think you choose that

956
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 2: oftener to be a third culture kid, So that's a

957
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: bit different.

958
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it's sprung upon you and you're like,

959
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: oh not everyone is like this.

960
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 3: We here, Okay, I'm different.

961
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: Exactly, So what makes it worthwhile for you?

962
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: This is gonna sound very af I at the end

963
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: of the days, I guess it's connecting with as many

964
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: people as possible and trying to understand all of our

965
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: differences and all of these wonderful things that like make

966
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: our world.

967
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 3: Our world, so that you know, when we're then sitting.

968
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: Down and things happen in the news, I'm not the

969
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 1: person who's scrambling, I don't know, looking for an Asian

970
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 1: friend to understand Asian issues, and looking for a Jewish

971
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: friend to understand Jewish issues, or a gay friend to

972
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: understand what's happening in the queer community, all of that stuff,

973
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm moving by default as someone who's

974
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: hungry to understand the world.

975
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 2: I'm moving.

976
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm moving by default as someone who's hungry to understand

977
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: this world.

978
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

979
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 3: And then also again this whole age thing.

980
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: As I get older, I then start to think, you know,

981
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: I could be giving birth to someone who who identifies

982
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: as such and such or falls under this community.

983
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: I don't know who their dad is.

984
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

985
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I've met them yet, I

986
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: don't know, or like falls.

987
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: Under this community or this religion or whatever, or or

988
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: I give birth to a child who later identifies under

989
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: this religion or identity or sexual or whatever.

990
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 3: So then I also have to keep.

991
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: That in mind for what type of human being do

992
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 1: I want to bring into this world.

993
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the world is moving that way, whether you

994
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 6: like it or not. Globalization is And I mean that's

995
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 6: how even with COVID, if you look at it, if

996
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 6: you were only staying in our little pocket, it might

997
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 6: have been a totally different thing. But because we're traveling,

998
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 6: we're seeing things. Everyone was affected. And it's one of

999
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 6: those things I think, and you both of you ladies

1000
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 6: said it so beautifully where it's like, because you're curious

1001
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,240
Speaker 6: being beings.

1002
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 5: You want to know more, you want to learn more.

1003
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 6: It just expands your mind. And I think that's what

1004
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 6: makes it worthwhile. Like who doesn't want to learn something

1005
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 6: new or have some you've shown to them, or you know,

1006
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,240
Speaker 6: like grow because I don't know. For me, it feels

1007
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 6: like such a vital part of humankind we need to

1008
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 6: keep growing.

1009
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting? And as we wrap up, I just

1010
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 2: wanted to point this out. Isn't it interesting? We all

1011
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 2: see the value of it. But the choice ultimately of

1012
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: us being the third culture kids was never ours per se,

1013
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,439
Speaker 2: Like it was kind of sprung on us or out

1014
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 2: of necessitated for us. And I think it's a beautiful

1015
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 2: way to then take a circumstance and then make your

1016
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 2: life what it is, and I think that is also

1017
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: the beauty of life is making the most wherever you

1018
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: find yourself and like wherever you see yourself going. But yeah,

1019
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:52,240
Speaker 2: I just yeah, thank you so much for your time,

1020
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 2: one guy. I think you've brought up a lot of

1021
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 2: things that we can think about as individuals, as a society,

1022
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 2: as a unity. And before we wrap up, you know,

1023
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 2: I just wanted to ask you to share any final

1024
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 2: thoughts about the topic or just let us know where

1025
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 2: we can find you, one guy, where we can keep

1026
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: up with you. We've already mentioned zim Excellence podcast a

1027
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 2: couple of times in these podcasts, so if you ain't

1028
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 2: with it, get where. If she's gooken to some really

1029
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: incredible Zimbabwe including thank you, but like some really wonderful trailblazers,

1030
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: and she's making moves in her own she's made moves

1031
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: and is making moves in her own right, representing Zimbabwe

1032
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: so beautifully. And I think just by the fact that

1033
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 2: she started the podcast some excellence is just truly a

1034
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: testament to your spirit and what you are doing to

1035
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: represent the culture, even though you are a third culture kid,

1036
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? Like it's a beautiful thing. You

1037
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: know that beautiful that you still continue. So any final

1038
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: thoughts from you one Guy and also where everybody can

1039
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 2: catch up with you and see you and hear what's up.

1040
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: Well, Thank you Amanda and Rumby for bringing me on.

1041
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: I hope this wasn't too heavy and too a down

1042
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: and two complicated and complex. Thank you for seeing in

1043
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: zoom Excellence what exactly what you guys are doing by

1044
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: having these discussions and these tough conversations about the zimbabwing

1045
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: community and just.

1046
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 3: Life you know itself. I would say people.

1047
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: Can definitely find me at one Guy official, on Instagram

1048
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: or Twitter. I'm more focused on Instagram. Yeah, Twitter got

1049
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: too political for me. So I host the zim Excellence podcast.

1050
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: There should be about thirty four episodes up right now.

1051
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm currently on a hiatus. You can follow the instagram

1052
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: which is at zoom Excellence podcast host. Yeah, I kind

1053
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: of I've used this existence and inner turmo oil and

1054
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: like existential dread of being a third culture kid to say, oh,

1055
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: I never want anyone to feel the way that I felt,

1056
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: to feel unseen, unheard, pushed to the side, or or

1057
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: like made and and belittled. So I try and bring

1058
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: that in everything that I do. So with that, with

1059
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: that said, you know constantly believing yourselves. You are enough,

1060
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: you are worthy, you are You're If you're listening to

1061
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: this episode, it means you are alive to see another

1062
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: day in your breathing, and that means you've still got

1063
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: a purpose to fulfill on this planet. So walk your

1064
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: path like a runway and own it.

1065
00:59:56,320 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 5: And your voice is so soothing. I needed I needed

1066
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 5: to do daily affirmations for me.

1067
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Guys, that should be you can hire me to record

1068
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 1: affirmations I actually do. I have a buy me a

1069
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: coffee And if you guys want to shout out on

1070
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: Zoom excellence or you want your affirmation, to hit me

1071
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: up and I'll do that for you.

1072
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: I'll record a happy birthday message for your people.

1073
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, hit me up.

1074
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 5: I love this super mung guy.

1075
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 6: That just shows your growth, Like seriously, to turn something

1076
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 6: that you might have found some people might have found

1077
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 6: negative and totally turned their back to into something that's.

1078
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 5: A labor of love.

1079
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 6: A labor of light is something that's to be celebrated

1080
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 6: within you. So pat on your back and keep going.

1081
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 6: We love your podcast. We love to see your guests.

1082
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 6: Because a lot of times as well. Again, we're curious people,

1083
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 6: we want to know new things, and Zimbabweans sometimes can

1084
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 6: be very disconnected from each other.

1085
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 5: And it's nice to go, oh, my gosh, I didn't

1086
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 5: know there was that photographer in la Oh. That was

1087
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 5: so yeah. What you're doing is amazing. Keep going. I'm

1088
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 5: sure it's very hard work. So we really do appreciate

1089
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 5: that we.

1090
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 3: Are one woman team.

1091
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: And if the respons is out there, I will take

1092
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: your coin.

1093
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: I wanted to turn into video and before I turn

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Speaker 3: into video, I need some coin.

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Speaker 2: There you go awesome.

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't be any last thoughts, No, honestly, just thank you.

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Speaker 2: I think she just blessed us about her final word.

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Speaker 2: Just like shower, you know that warm shower you stepped

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Speaker 2: into on a cold day, you know, just warm this.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much everyone for tuning into this episode

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Speaker 2: of It's Laired with our special guest one Guys Shawa

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Speaker 2: off Zoom excellent podcast. As always, hit us up, let

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Speaker 2: us know what you think. We're on Instagram, it's layered Twitter,

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Speaker 2: it's layered Pod, and you can email us. It's ladpodot

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Speaker 2: gmail dot com and as always, great to have you

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Speaker 2: here with me and one guy. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for taking the time to be with us, and we'll

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Speaker 2: see you on the next episode. Everybody boy, Bye bye.

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Speaker 6: What about us