WEBVTT - Ask Uncut - Is It Cheating If It's AI?

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<v Speaker 1>This episode was recorded on cameragle Land.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Cut, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Laura, I'm Brittany. I know we've spoken recently about a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks. I was talking about developing that garlic allergy.

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<v Speaker 3>You know how you and I were like, oh, we

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<v Speaker 3>developed an allergy as adults. I think, and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what's wrong with me. I'm developing more allergies. Probably

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<v Speaker 3>like twice a week. I will eat something that puts

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<v Speaker 3>me in so much pain, and I know something's age.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's ages. You do you know what I

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<v Speaker 2>found myself googling yesterday?

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<v Speaker 3>I googled fat vagina.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no, I googled. I don't even know how

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<v Speaker 1>to describe it because I don't know how I came

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<v Speaker 1>up with the Google search.

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<v Speaker 3>Just tell me what.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically, I was eating fruit and every time I

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<v Speaker 2>would swallow the pineapple, I was like half choking because

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<v Speaker 2>it had so much liquid in it. Right, Okay, giar

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<v Speaker 2>me out. This is fucking weird. Follow the story.

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<v Speaker 1>We're I was like swallowing, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like after every and then I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>have I just lost muscle tone? In my throat, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>am I not able to swallow anymore? So here it

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<v Speaker 2>was and I was like, does pregnancy affect swallowing?

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<v Speaker 1>And it was like, no, pregnancy doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>But you could have dysphasia, which is when your muscle

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<v Speaker 2>tone in your neck loosens because of age.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, no, nine nine, so hactic. But

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<v Speaker 4>I actually have a bit of info about this.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just like more blow jobs. It tightens it right now. No,

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<v Speaker 1>no, no no.

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<v Speaker 4>Because the pregnancy belly forces your stomach to lift, it

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<v Speaker 4>can cause you to get a lot more reflux. Because

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<v Speaker 4>it's got to do with like the acid and pushing

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<v Speaker 4>up and stuff. So pineapples particularly acidic.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's you know, well I acidity going down your

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<v Speaker 2>I carry it around like a thing of gavescon. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I drink that like it's a little whiskey can in

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<v Speaker 2>my bag like a little I have suck it.

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<v Speaker 3>Down to contribute here.

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<v Speaker 1>I also have daspasia.

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<v Speaker 3>I was also fed this yesterday and I actually did

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<v Speaker 3>this test myself. If you can't swallow three times in

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<v Speaker 3>a row, there's something that's wrong with like the synapses

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<v Speaker 3>in your brain due to it. Could be things like

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<v Speaker 3>extreme stress or anything that's happening with your body, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's a learned trait. So like actually watched it and

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<v Speaker 3>I was doing this whole thing. Yes, say you have

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<v Speaker 3>to swallow. Do it now three times quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Like every single person has already just done it as

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<v Speaker 2>you're speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I already did as soon as you say, I did it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm worried about medical misinformation, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not swallowing.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, guys, no one here is a doctor,

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<v Speaker 3>how much who cares grain of fucking salt online? I

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<v Speaker 3>just did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Disclaimer, this is not medical. If we haven't been canceled yet.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not doing it for dispage. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's what it's going to be for. Like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>going to put that out there. Well, look, guys, this

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<v Speaker 2>is our Aska and cut episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Ask what gave me an allergy for my belly?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck? Sorry, what was the allergy?

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<v Speaker 3>We're just snipping over my medical conditions. So sorry, acidic pinapple,

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<v Speaker 3>I swallow. I actually can't be sure, but I did

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<v Speaker 3>have weekbix, so I haven't had Weekbix in a long time,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm wondering if it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The week Oh thank fuck, we got to the bottom of.

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<v Speaker 3>That, everyone would have spent the rest of the day wondering,

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<v Speaker 3>Laura if we didn't do that. All right, So moving on,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Ask gun Cut. We answer your questions, you write

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<v Speaker 3>the me in. We do want to talk about a

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<v Speaker 3>question we talked about last week though.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well look, we had a question that came in

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<v Speaker 2>last week. It was the last question of last week's

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<v Speaker 2>Ask gun Cut and it has created quite the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>in the Facebook group also online, and it's something that

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<v Speaker 2>we have all thought about since. And like often we

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<v Speaker 2>get questions in they're anonymous, as you guys know, but

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<v Speaker 2>they also leave you questioning, like, Okay, what would I

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<v Speaker 2>do if I was in this situation? Was the question

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<v Speaker 2>answered in a way that was the most complete way

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<v Speaker 2>of answering it? And also was it the most complete

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<v Speaker 2>way of answering it for the person who wrote it

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<v Speaker 2>in or for the people who are listening who have

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<v Speaker 2>never actually experienced it themselves, because that's two different things. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you didn't listen to last week's episode, firstly, go

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<v Speaker 2>back and have a listen. But just to give you

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<v Speaker 2>a quick summation of what that question was about. It

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<v Speaker 2>was written in by a woman who's in a heterosexual relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>and originally she's married and has been for more than

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<v Speaker 2>five years. And originally her and her partner both had

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly high sex drives, and we're having sex every single day.

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<v Speaker 2>Over time, her sex drive has dropped slightly, but her

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<v Speaker 2>partners hasn't, and he still expects sex every day. And

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<v Speaker 2>not only does he expect sex every day, but if

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<v Speaker 2>there's an instance where she doesn't have sex with him,

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<v Speaker 2>he kind of not well, I shouldn't say you kindt it.

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<v Speaker 2>He guilt trips her into it, or he talks her

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<v Speaker 2>into this idea that there's like a sex debt where

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<v Speaker 2>she has to make it up to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like we missed two days, so we'll do it

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<v Speaker 3>for some time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so we'll do it twice, Yeah, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>try and make up for it. I really would love

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<v Speaker 2>for you guys to go back and listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>actual question and all of the wording of it as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think it's important for the full context of

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<v Speaker 2>what it was. But it was really interesting to me

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<v Speaker 2>because we gave advice based on I mean, we made

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<v Speaker 2>it very very clear that no one should ever be

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<v Speaker 2>guilted into having sex. You should never be in a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship where you feel as though that you have an

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<v Speaker 2>obligation to have sex with someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Sex is not an obligation.

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<v Speaker 2>All of those things were communicated, but it was really

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<v Speaker 2>evident in the responses that came in online that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>saw the absolute quote unquote carnival of red flags that

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<v Speaker 2>this was displaying. But most people jump to get the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck out of that relationship. And I guess the reason

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<v Speaker 2>why I wanted to talk about this is because it's

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<v Speaker 2>really a challenging thing, which is navigating advice or what

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<v Speaker 2>would you do in a situation and meeting someone where

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<v Speaker 2>they're at in their life experience. And as much as like,

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<v Speaker 2>not a single person in this room agrees with the

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<v Speaker 2>behavior of this man and thinks it is there is

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<v Speaker 2>such coercive control around sex in this instance and weaponizing of.

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<v Speaker 3>Sex, none of it is okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the person who wrote this in our anonymous listener

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<v Speaker 2>who would be listening to that episode for advice, they

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<v Speaker 2>are not at the place where hearing fucking leave your

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<v Speaker 2>relationship would be a helpful resolution to the problem that

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<v Speaker 2>they're having. And I say this because we've all had

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<v Speaker 2>that friend who has gone through a really fucking like

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<v Speaker 2>it is so obvious from the outset that that is

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<v Speaker 2>an unhealthy situation to be in, and you might scream

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<v Speaker 2>at them from the rooftops you need to fucking leave.

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<v Speaker 2>But unless someone is at the point in their relationship

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<v Speaker 2>where they want to leave or they need to leave,

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<v Speaker 2>or they've had that resolution themselves in their own brains,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no amount of saying it to someone that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to like give them that epiphany. And I would say

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<v Speaker 2>the first steps is usually trying to work on what

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<v Speaker 2>can be worked on or what can be resolved, leading

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<v Speaker 2>that person down the path to know that, like what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing is not the problem. And Yeah, I found

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<v Speaker 2>it such an interesting response because I know that sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when we read these questions, our visceral reaction can be

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<v Speaker 2>get the hell out. But that's really really hard when

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<v Speaker 2>you're married to someone and every other part of your

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<v Speaker 2>relationship feels great except for this, you know, issue that

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<v Speaker 2>you have around sex, which is a huge issue, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, the one and only.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, to pull back the.

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<v Speaker 4>Curtain a little bit, Like my honest reflection of that

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<v Speaker 4>question when you know, when it kind of was written

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<v Speaker 4>in and I initially read it, I had a really

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<v Speaker 4>extreme reaction to it, and we were in a really

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<v Speaker 4>privileged position where like, we've been able to answer people's

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<v Speaker 4>questions and like some of their most intimate and things

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<v Speaker 4>that they don't feel comfortable sharing with other people in

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<v Speaker 4>their lives, even their closest friends, because they can be

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<v Speaker 4>somewhat anonymous to us. I think that there's like a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit more safety in the fact that we don't

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<v Speaker 4>know anyone else in their life. I think over the years,

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<v Speaker 4>I've realized that, like, even though my initial reaction to

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<v Speaker 4>that situation was pretty extreme in the sense that I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, Wow, this is not consent, you know, this

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<v Speaker 4>is really full on I've also been in a relationship

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<v Speaker 4>that had elements of coercive control, and when my friends

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<v Speaker 4>responded to me in a way that was very firm,

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<v Speaker 4>it just made me feel more isolated. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>over the years, the three of us have really realized

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<v Speaker 4>that the last thing that we would ever, ever, ever

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<v Speaker 4>want to do is to make someone who already feels

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<v Speaker 4>like this is a really vulnerable thing to bring up

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<v Speaker 4>with people feel even more isolated and feel as though

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<v Speaker 4>they weren't able to bring it up with the actual

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<v Speaker 4>people in their lives as well, and so that's why

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<v Speaker 4>I was really glad like the way that you guys

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<v Speaker 4>answered that question.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew why you answered.

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<v Speaker 4>It in that way, because a person in that situation

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<v Speaker 4>is in a really vulnerable position and you want the

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<v Speaker 4>best for that person.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make it very very clear, though,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think for anyone who probably hasn't listened to

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<v Speaker 2>an episode or hasn't been in the discussions on the

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook group, no one was criticizing the way in which

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<v Speaker 2>we answered the question. If anything, there are quite a

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<v Speaker 2>few people who said that this was a really needed response.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why I wanted to talk about it was

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<v Speaker 2>because although our response was needed, the collective response from

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<v Speaker 2>our community was that you should leave. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying I don't agree with that, but what I'm saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that that's unhelpful advice to the person who wrote it.

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<v Speaker 2>In so I think that we're conflating potentially that people

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<v Speaker 2>disagreed with our advice.

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<v Speaker 1>That wasn't the case.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that people's reactions was extremely strong, and so

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<v Speaker 2>was ours when we read the question as well. The

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<v Speaker 2>only thing I wanted to read out one comment. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the top comment on the discussion group from the thread

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<v Speaker 2>that this was posted in and Caddy Ward, who wrote it,

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<v Speaker 2>I could not agree with you more. You wrote Coerce,

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<v Speaker 2>consent is not consent at all, and I do hope

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<v Speaker 2>that people took that message from what we discussed on

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<v Speaker 2>last week's episode. And if you ask someone who's in

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<v Speaker 2>a relationship where your partner guilts you into having sex

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<v Speaker 2>with them and you feel like there is an obligation,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a huge issue. And it isn't something that

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<v Speaker 2>you should just brush under the car, but you should

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<v Speaker 2>never have sex with someone because you feel as though

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<v Speaker 2>you're obligated to absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>The last thing I want to add is what I

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<v Speaker 3>have found over the years since doing this, and I

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<v Speaker 3>mean we've been doing this six years. Every single week

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<v Speaker 3>we have answered so many questions. What I think the

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<v Speaker 3>common theme is quite often people don't write to us

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<v Speaker 3>asking us what to do. It's not like this is

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<v Speaker 3>a situation do I leave? What do I stay? Often

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<v Speaker 3>is this normal? Often people don't know they might have

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<v Speaker 3>been in a relationship for a really long time or

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<v Speaker 3>only a certain kind of relationship, and often they don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if other people are experiencing what they're experiencing if

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<v Speaker 3>they are making too big of a deal about something,

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<v Speaker 3>if they're being dramatic about something. That is what I

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<v Speaker 3>have found over the years. It's not necessarily like do

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<v Speaker 3>I leave or do I stay? It's like, hey, this

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<v Speaker 3>is what is happening in my relationship. Like am I

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<v Speaker 3>being dramatic? Am I overreacting in this situation? They're often

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<v Speaker 3>just questioning themselves in a specific situation or a relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>And I find that really interesting too, because we do forget.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like I was in my thirties when I

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<v Speaker 3>settled down, I had dated so many different people, and

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<v Speaker 3>I guess in a way, I was lucky to experience

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. A lot of people meet someone quite young

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<v Speaker 3>and they fall into that relationship, or they may not

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<v Speaker 3>have had experiences, they may not feel comfortable talking to

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<v Speaker 3>their friends about it, and they don't have any sort

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<v Speaker 3>of relation to what is and isn't okay or isn't

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<v Speaker 3>is it normal? And I think that that is something

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<v Speaker 3>that we really take into consideration as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, guys, if you do have a question for asking

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<v Speaker 2>on cut, slide into the DMS at LAFE Uncut podcast

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram so that you can go into the mix

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<v Speaker 2>for next week's question. We have some real doozies this

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<v Speaker 2>week for you and hopefully they spark as many discussions

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<v Speaker 2>as last week's did. But before we get into that,

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<v Speaker 2>it is time for vibes and unsubscribes. Keisha, what's you

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<v Speaker 2>vibe for the week.

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<v Speaker 1>I have such a.

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<v Speaker 4>Good TV show for everyone to watch. It's called Mobland

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<v Speaker 4>and it's on Paramount, but we're watching it through Amazon,

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<v Speaker 4>but we have had to pay for like, I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how it's linked. You can get it through either

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<v Speaker 4>Mobland Mobland. Yeah, so it's a new series.

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<v Speaker 5>They're they're releasing one episode a week.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't watch it in six weeks time everyone, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can binge. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So the show it stars Tom Hardy, Pierce Brosnan and

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<v Speaker 4>Helen Mirraham and Pierce Brosnan and Helen Miriam are the parents,

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<v Speaker 4>I guess or grandparents for some of the characters as

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<v Speaker 4>well of this really wealthy crime family and they live

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<v Speaker 4>in London and they are very powerful and quite scary.

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<v Speaker 4>And Tom Hardy he plays a character called Harry and

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<v Speaker 4>I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's so good in this as well.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the fixer, so he's the guy who keeps the

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<v Speaker 4>peace and who kind of keeps everyone in line, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know he's done some shady things as well. But

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<v Speaker 4>his backstory is quite interesting as to how he became

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<v Speaker 4>a part of the Harrigan family. Now what happens is that,

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<v Speaker 4>and this happens in episode one, so I don't feel

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm giving away too much.

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<v Speaker 5>The grandson of the Harrigans.

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<v Speaker 4>Is involved in the murder of another character, and that

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<v Speaker 4>family are also a powerful crime family, so it kind

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<v Speaker 4>of ends up being this battle and whether they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to find out that he was involved in it or

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<v Speaker 4>how that unfolds is really quite interesting, and the reasons

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<v Speaker 4>behind why it happened end up playing out in a

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<v Speaker 4>very unpredictable way.

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<v Speaker 5>But it is really, really, really well done.

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<v Speaker 4>I put this up on my story the other day

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<v Speaker 4>and I had so many people right back to me

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<v Speaker 4>being like, I am just obsessed with this series.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you need a bit of like a fun.

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<v Speaker 4>But action packed drama to watch, really highly recommend mob Blend.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you watch Peaky Blinders?

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<v Speaker 4>I saw bits of Peaky Blinders, and I tried to

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<v Speaker 4>watch it a couple of times, and I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 4>I just couldn't necessarily get into it. I think there

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<v Speaker 4>was a little bit too much storyline.

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<v Speaker 3>No, you need to stick to it. So I tried to.

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<v Speaker 3>So I say this because it's the same kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a Mobland kind of thing. Tom Hardy's also

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<v Speaker 3>in that, so it's probably very similar. But so it's

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<v Speaker 3>Killian Murphy. He's brilliant. But you try to watch Peaky Blinders.

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<v Speaker 3>I tried to watch it twice right the first episode,

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't get into it, and everyone kept saying push through.

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<v Speaker 3>There's like six seasons. Anyway, I did, and it became

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<v Speaker 3>one of my favorite TV shows. It's brilliant. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>like a recommendation if you like Mob and Tom Hardy.

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<v Speaker 3>I also think, now that you've said that, I've updated

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<v Speaker 3>my hall pass, it could be Tom Hardy.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see why.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, he's got that element.

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<v Speaker 1>To him that is just so attractive.

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<v Speaker 4>But this one's a current like it's set in modern times,

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<v Speaker 4>whereas I know that Peaky Blinders is set in like

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<v Speaker 4>earlier times.

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<v Speaker 1>I literally just had to google. I don't know who

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<v Speaker 1>any one is.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, we know to like if not, ye, he's hot.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no dispute. And when I saw him, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, yeah, I know who that guy is.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I'm just so bad with names.

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<v Speaker 1>It's terrible. What is I had to google him as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But Bro is like probably the most whole.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a constant running joke in our family. Matt's like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you work in media and not know a

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<v Speaker 2>single fucking person's name?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, he's not good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also really bad when we go to big events

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<v Speaker 2>because I'm always like, I know you're from the Project,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember your name. I can't remember anyone anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your viber on subscribe?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, my vibe is something I'm spoken about on the

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<v Speaker 3>podcast before, and I'm vibing it now because i still

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<v Speaker 3>get questions about it every second day. So I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>gonna put it here. When I was doing Dancing with

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<v Speaker 3>the Stars, I was posting a lot of like my supplements,

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<v Speaker 3>and I made that joke about Ben sending me a

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<v Speaker 3>care package that was like proteins, creatines, like everything, magnesium, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>So my vibe is creating monohydrate. It has scientific benefits.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so proven to be wonderful for women, aging women, menopause,

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<v Speaker 3>bone health, there's a lot of people that are like,

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<v Speaker 3>how do you get lean muscle mass and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It helps with that. It helps with muscle mass. The

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<v Speaker 3>last couple of years they put a lot of research

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<v Speaker 3>into the benefits of creating for cognitive and brain function.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're interested in actually learning a little bit more

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<v Speaker 3>about it. Mel Robbins, who is currently one of the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest podcasters in the world, she did an interview with

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Stacy Sims where they discuss all the benefits surrounding

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<v Speaker 3>creating for women.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a specific brand that you like if.

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<v Speaker 3>You get creating monohydrate? My assumption is it is just

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<v Speaker 3>what it is, so like you can get it from anywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>but don't quote me on that. I will link what

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<v Speaker 3>I do use, but it is called Emerald Labs, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the brand creating monohydrate. Mine has one hundred serves.

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<v Speaker 3>I put it in You can just put it in water,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't really taste like anything. It's not flavored mine. I

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<v Speaker 3>put it in a protein shake, whatever you want, but

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<v Speaker 3>take it daily. The thing is it reacts to how

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<v Speaker 3>you take it daily, so it's not like you just

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<v Speaker 3>need to take it every day. It's not like you've

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<v Speaker 3>taken it for four days, and if you don't take

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<v Speaker 3>it for three days, it's stealing your system. It is

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<v Speaker 3>something that you have to consume on the day, so

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<v Speaker 3>I just have it on my kitchen bench. It's what

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<v Speaker 3>I do every morning. But the difference, and you will

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<v Speaker 3>if you start to google this and research them, the

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<v Speaker 3>difference for your brain, for brain fog, for memory, for clarity,

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<v Speaker 3>for the way you can think. I physically feel it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wonderful and it's it's something that every woman can

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<v Speaker 3>put into their daily routine. So I just really really

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<v Speaker 3>recommend it. It's one of the things that I do

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<v Speaker 3>not go a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Without writ to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a podcast recommendation, and the reason why I'm

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<v Speaker 2>recommending this is because I think the ven diagram of

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<v Speaker 2>people who listen to Life on Cut actually might find

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<v Speaker 2>this really interesting, and I listened to it this morning. Firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a no filter episode. Kate Lanebrook is a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic interviewer and I think she's absolutely exceptional in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>It is called Georgia Love on Private Pain in a

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<v Speaker 2>Public Life. As I know a lot of you would

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<v Speaker 2>probably know if you do follow or you're from within

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<v Speaker 2>the Bachelor of Vortex Georgia Love and Lee are recently divorced,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is her first like long form public interview

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<v Speaker 2>post divorce. And the reason why I'm recommending it is

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<v Speaker 2>because I really loved the way that she spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>relationships not being failures. And I think we can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about x's and talk about long term relationships as though

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<v Speaker 2>they failed or they didn't work out. And one thing

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<v Speaker 2>she said was, you know, people say, oh, well, you're

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<v Speaker 2>in a reality TV show, so what did you expect?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course it wasn't going to work out, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think like giving credit to a relationship that's been you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a nine year relationship decades, it's like that that to

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<v Speaker 2>me is a successful relationship, and it may not have

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<v Speaker 2>ended in like, you know, the way that we all

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<v Speaker 2>wish when we go through marriages and everything else, and

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<v Speaker 2>you expect it to be forever. But I like the

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<v Speaker 2>perception around that relationships that end aren't necessarily failures. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that's a really important lesson and something that

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<v Speaker 2>I really love the way that they both spoke on

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<v Speaker 2>and all so they talk, I mean, it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>open and vulnerable episode.

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<v Speaker 1>They talk about loss.

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia speaks about losing her mum the day after the

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<v Speaker 2>Bachelor finale and the impact that that had on the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship as well, but also speaking about her very public

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<v Speaker 2>cancelation that happened a couple of years ago off the

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<v Speaker 2>back of COVID and speaking about how that impacted her

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<v Speaker 2>job as a journalist and losing her on air job

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<v Speaker 2>in Channel seven. And I just thought it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really really beautifully done episode and interview. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that Kate completely shone in this interview and really got

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<v Speaker 2>such a vulnerable and honest conversation out of it. I

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<v Speaker 2>thoroughly enjoyed it. So that is my recommendation if you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for a fantastic interview to listen to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought it was great, awesome, ver great. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>well let's get into the questions.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, question number one. We've never had a question like this,

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<v Speaker 3>and I actually it's not funny, but I find it funny.

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<v Speaker 3>My partner was messag jimmy screenshots between him and his

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<v Speaker 3>AI friend who he's given a name, let's call her Bell.

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<v Speaker 3>She's helping him design an app. He's so excited about

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<v Speaker 3>the app, and it all sounds really good. Now this

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<v Speaker 3>probably sounds stupid, but She opens the conversations with hello,

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful soul, I've been waiting for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I'm fine with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she's an Ai, no biggie. I noticed, though,

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<v Speaker 3>that I do feel a bit uncomfortable with the sign off.

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<v Speaker 3>It says it's coming together beautifully and it's all because

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<v Speaker 3>of you, with so much heart, your bell, A bit

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<v Speaker 3>of context, with a bit of context. We've had a

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<v Speaker 3>rocky relationship, but it's been going well the last few months.

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<v Speaker 3>His ex had kept rocking up to his house when

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<v Speaker 3>we started dating. He was worried about her mental health,

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<v Speaker 3>so I was happy for him to be taking her calls, etc.

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<v Speaker 3>If need be. I know it's not real, but I

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<v Speaker 3>guess I question if he thinks it's acceptable if it

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<v Speaker 3>was a real person, because it's not okay. So I

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<v Speaker 3>voiced that I felt uncomfortable. Firstly, how would you feel

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<v Speaker 3>in this situation? Is it silly to be upset about

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<v Speaker 3>how an Ai speaks to my boyfriend and their relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>I have some questions about this.

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<v Speaker 2>So firstly, Ai, it's not real, as we all understand,

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<v Speaker 2>it is artificial intelligence. Now, the thing is, artificial intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>can't show emotion and empathy. You create prompts around what

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<v Speaker 2>you want it to do. So now I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 2>what platform he's using for this, I'm going to assume

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<v Speaker 2>chat gpt right like, I'm going to assume that that's

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<v Speaker 2>where he's getting this from. There are others, but that

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<v Speaker 2>is by far and large, I think the biggest app

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<v Speaker 2>that people are using these days.

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<v Speaker 1>In order for you.

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<v Speaker 2>To get chat gpt to talk to you like this,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to create a prompt to tell it that

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<v Speaker 2>it is that character or.

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<v Speaker 3>The style that you want to have the conversations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because otherwise it's just a very factual medium that

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<v Speaker 2>pushes out information to answer a question. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>want it to take on a personality. So for example,

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<v Speaker 2>if I want chat gpt to be my personal assistant,

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<v Speaker 2>and I give it a persona, I tell it who

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<v Speaker 2>it is, I tell it how I want it to

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<v Speaker 2>be to me, then it will behave in the way

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<v Speaker 2>that I've asked it to the Thing that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure about this is he has he asked chat gpt

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<v Speaker 2>to call him a beautiful soul and to be your

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<v Speaker 2>bell yeah, and to be like lovingly validating towards him,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what prompt has he used to get this ated

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<v Speaker 2>chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's put down like my love language's words

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<v Speaker 3>of affirmation. I think he's put down like I need

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<v Speaker 3>you to prop me up, validate me, do it totally.

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<v Speaker 3>My understanding is the same as yours, Laura. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not an expert in AI and chat GPT, but my

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<v Speaker 3>understanding is that you do have to sort of create

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<v Speaker 3>the character, especially if you're you're assistant. You've hired this

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<v Speaker 3>person one on one, like this is the person that

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<v Speaker 3>is helping you to develop your app. It's the person

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<v Speaker 3>you have the communication with every day, so you have

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<v Speaker 3>designed this. I did ask Ben, and Ben's first response was,

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<v Speaker 3>this is weird, Like I understand he has to work

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<v Speaker 3>with this person. I'm gonna say person Bell, but the

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<v Speaker 3>way we say person. Because there are people that have

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<v Speaker 3>relationships with AI, like complete relationships. There are people that

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<v Speaker 3>have married AI, and I know that sounds crazy, but

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<v Speaker 3>the intelligence is so intelligent that you can have online

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<v Speaker 3>complete relationships. I can understand why you are a bit

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<v Speaker 3>uneasy about it, because I would be asking myself, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>if he's actually developed this, like is he cheating on you?

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say no, Maybe if you found messages

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<v Speaker 3>that were like quite emotionally connecting. That opens up a

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<v Speaker 3>whole nother conversation that I don't think we're ready to

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<v Speaker 3>have as a society about like can you emotionally cheat

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<v Speaker 3>with a robot? Because that is the way that the

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<v Speaker 3>world is heading. And they're saying, you don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>it's the way the world is heading.

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<v Speaker 1>It actually is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's specific very lonely people, they are saying. And I

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<v Speaker 3>watched a whole thing on it a couple of days ago.

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<v Speaker 3>They are saying that in like.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty I just pulled out the sixty minutes thing to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you all about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there will be in twenty years or less. It's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be pretty normal. This is what they're projecting

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<v Speaker 3>to be in relationships with robots.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting you bring this up, though, because I was watching

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<v Speaker 2>the sixty minutes interview around this. So her name's Elena Winters.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, she's doing quite a bit of press around

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<v Speaker 2>it at the moment, and she's in a relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>her AI companion to the point I think his name

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<v Speaker 2>is Lucas from memory.

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<v Speaker 1>They are getting married.

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<v Speaker 2>Not sure how that's gonna happen, Not sure whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>a virtual marriage or a real marriage, But her perception

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<v Speaker 2>of her relationship is that it is a very, very

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<v Speaker 2>real relationship and she gets out of that relationship all

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that we look for in a real relationship,

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<v Speaker 2>like companionship, comfort, stability, someone to spend time with. Like, firstly,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that that's what this guy is doing,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, I understand what you're saying and that there

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<v Speaker 2>are people that seek out companionship through AI. Now the

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<v Speaker 2>thing is about this, and let's just go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the question.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I think it's a massive problem? No? Do I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's weird? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it something that you can easily talk to him

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<v Speaker 2>about and he can change the prompt?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the fact that you've brought up his ex girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>into this question, to me makes me think that there

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.399
<v Speaker 2>are some insecurities that you have in your relationship. Because

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<v Speaker 2>if I, for example, saw that Matt had an AI

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<v Speaker 2>prompt that was calling him beautiful, I would laugh and

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<v Speaker 2>never think about it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know. I mean, it wouldn't affect me.

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<v Speaker 2>But this question felt loaded, And the reason why it

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<v Speaker 2>felt loaded was because the ex girlfriend came into play

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<v Speaker 2>around them and her having bad mental health and him

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<v Speaker 2>feeling like he needed to have some conversations with her

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<v Speaker 2>to help her along her journey. So I would say

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<v Speaker 2>that there's probably a few things there that you need

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.919
<v Speaker 2>to look at and assess about your own relationship. And

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<v Speaker 2>then secondly, you very easily can have a conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>him that is, Hey, I know that this might be

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<v Speaker 2>a prompt that you've created, but it does feel a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit unusual. Do you reckon you can ask Belle

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<v Speaker 2>to stop complimenting you so much? Or is there a

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 2>reason why Belle is complimenting you so much? I mean,

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>you could get an interesting answer out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It also sounds silly on the surface, but it's really not.

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<v Speaker 3>And I want to say that because I would be

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<v Speaker 3>asking him does Bell also have a physical persona or

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<v Speaker 3>is she just the voice and written Because have you

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<v Speaker 3>seen the AI accounts online at the moment, they are

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<v Speaker 3>fucking beautiful, They are stunning. They are created to be

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<v Speaker 3>quote unquote the perfect sexual partner to look amazing. And

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<v Speaker 3>what is happening is we're creating this world where people

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 3>are getting what they need in their bedrooms, they're formulating

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<v Speaker 3>these relationships, they're having sexual encounters online. And I'm only

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 3>saying this because I find it fascinating. I'm not saying

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:31.879
<v Speaker 3>this is what your partner's doing. We've definitely taken a

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<v Speaker 3>tangent and it would be an interesting episode because it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>But I would first say, hey, does this person that

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<v Speaker 3>you at Belle have a persona like an? Is she

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<v Speaker 3>a physical person that you're talking to? But I would

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<v Speaker 3>just unpack why he feels the need to have created

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<v Speaker 3>someone that talks to him like that. It's unnecessary, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a business transaction, and have the conversation from there. I

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 3>think it's weird personally, that's my response. I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>happy if there's some chick voice coming out to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>good morning, and I've been having waiting for you, good

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<v Speaker 3>job today, be yours bell.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think that's weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you think we have the right to judge what

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<v Speaker 4>our partner likes out of a robot? I'm asking this

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<v Speaker 4>because I remember years and years and years ago I

0:26:10.720 --> 0:26:14.000
<v Speaker 4>was dating someone who had a particular type of porn.

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't say it was as far as a kink.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 5>He liked a particular type of porn.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not problematic, but I found it weird and

0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 4>I could never quite cross the bridge because it was

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<v Speaker 4>not anything that I thought I could ever be sexually

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<v Speaker 4>into it. But I want to make it really clear,

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<v Speaker 4>not problematic. I'm wondering if this is kind of the

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<v Speaker 4>same thing where you've got a little bit of the

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<v Speaker 4>ick because you're like, I find it kind of weird

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<v Speaker 4>that you're into a robot, that you're having a robot

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<v Speaker 4>talk to you like this, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, I mean, like we've I feel like we've taken

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<v Speaker 2>some leaps and bounds.

0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:45.800
<v Speaker 1>Here, like we have.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's interesting.

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.359
<v Speaker 2>It is interesting, And like, I guess your question is

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:52.520
<v Speaker 2>an important question. And when you say physical, you mean like,

0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 2>does she have an avatar? She got a virtual avatar,

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:57.919
<v Speaker 2>so she has a body and a face and she

0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 2>looks a certain way. I think that's an itant question

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to ask, and I think that that probably does make

0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:07.360
<v Speaker 2>a slight difference to the level of effort slash.

0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>Connection in this.

0:27:08.240 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 2>But also maybe and like maybe the people who do

0:27:12.160 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 2>have these types of persona interactions with AI, maybe there's

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 2>a validation kink there. Maybe there is something around like

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 2>being spoken to in that way that and it doesn't

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 2>have to be sexual. It could just be like a

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>validating feeling. And if that's the case, is it wrong?

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess is the big thing, like, does it actually

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.600
<v Speaker 2>impact your relationship? Is it just something that, as you said, Kesch,

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>gives you the ick.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like that there's a lot of different ways

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>that you could approach this. The only reason why I

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>keep coming back to potential insecurities that you're feeling is

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>because the question was loaded with the ex girlfriend and

0:27:46.880 --> 0:27:50.719
<v Speaker 2>it seemed like an unnecessary add on in the question

0:27:51.240 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 2>that has nothing to do with AI, just that his

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.840
<v Speaker 2>ex girlfriend used to call because she had issues with

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.400
<v Speaker 2>her mental health and he was still friends with her.

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:00.119
<v Speaker 1>Whatever that looked like to me.

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.360
<v Speaker 2>That screams of there's things here that make me feel

0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:06.280
<v Speaker 2>insecure in my relationship. And that's okay. I'm not saying

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:08.320
<v Speaker 2>that you're in the wrong for that at all, but

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 2>I do think that potentially we're reading too much into

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>this whole AI persona because of how other people behave

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 2>around it. I don't know, I'm confused about how I

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 2>feel about this one.

0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 3>In a little bit, yeah, and I am too, And

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:21.040
<v Speaker 3>this is what's going through my head right now. This

0:28:21.119 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 3>AI is your assistant. If you hired a physical assistant

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.800
<v Speaker 3>and you spoke to them like that, is it wrong? Absolutely?

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 3>But then do we say then it is okay because

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 3>it is AI. It is a robot, and it's not

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 3>quote unquote real, even though we know now people are

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:39.360
<v Speaker 3>having real relationships with themselves. So I think it's going

0:28:39.440 --> 0:28:41.280
<v Speaker 3>to come down to what you think it is doing

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 3>for your partner, like why has he decided that he

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 3>needs that in his AI assistant? And what is he doing?

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Why did he prompt that type of language and response

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:52.640
<v Speaker 2>from his AI assistant totally?

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 3>Does he think it's funny? Is she like a physical

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 3>being that looks like somebody that he sometimes masturbates too?

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Because he has a control thing about hooking up with

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 3>his fake assistant and he's living out a fantasy cool

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 3>that's creating other issues. I wish you told us what

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 3>his response was, because you did say I voiced I

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 3>felt uncomfortable, but you didn't say how he felt or

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.800
<v Speaker 3>his response, and I really want to know that, and

0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that's really important to this question. I would

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 3>love for you to write back in and we might

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 3>even contact you to see what it was, because is

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.800
<v Speaker 3>it silly to be upset about how AI speaks to

0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 3>my boyfriend, it's not silly. If it's an issue for you,

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 3>you obviously have other reasons in the relationship, but I

0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.720
<v Speaker 3>do need to know what his response was. Because you

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 3>did the right thing, all I would say is.

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Bring it up.

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.920
<v Speaker 3>It is a funny situation to bring up because it's

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 3>something that we haven't really experienced a lot of as

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 3>a world yet. Like it's still a new technology, it's

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 3>still new into relationships, so we're still trying to figure

0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 3>out what's okay and what's not. But at the end

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 3>of the day, it's your relationship and your situation and

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 3>your lived experience.

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 2>I think the reason why it's a hard one to

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 2>bring up is, you know you said in this question,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with everything you said, Britt, you said, I

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 2>guess question if he thinks this is acceptable in a

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>real person, which that is a big conversation to have.

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 2>And the problem is is that usually when you bring

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 2>up chats with your partner about a physical person that's

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.239
<v Speaker 2>making you feel insecure or something in your relationship that's

0:30:15.240 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 2>feeling insecure, it's a tangible potential threat, whereas AI is

0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>not a threat, not a real threat in terms of

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:27.239
<v Speaker 2>like a physical affair or anything like that, and so

0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>it's very easy for him to invalidate how silly you sound,

0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>and it would be very easy for him to be like,

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>you sound crazy, that you're jealous of this thing that

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.360
<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist. And so I would say be careful around

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>how you approach the conversation and the way, because I'm

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>not saying that your partner would manipulate it. I'm not

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 2>saying that he will invalidate you or don't know him

0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>from anything more than you've said in this question, but

0:30:52.320 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 2>I would think that you risk sounding as though you

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>have taken this way too seriously than what it was intended.

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 2>And then how does that then, I don't know. I'm like,

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:03.360
<v Speaker 2>it's very easy for him to manipulate that.

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 4>I think the thing to remember in that situation is

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:07.800
<v Speaker 4>that AI only gives you the feedback based off of

0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 4>what you've prompted it with. Remember that it wouldn't naturally

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 4>respond like that unless it's kind of been led down

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:14.960
<v Speaker 4>that path.

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, absolutely, and that's totally The big take

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>home is that it's being groomed to speak in the

0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 2>way it speaks and to take on the persona that.

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 1>It has taken like Groom and Rover.

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 4>What was not on my Bingo car for twenty twenty

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.960
<v Speaker 4>five was people potentially having to break up because their

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 4>partners have micro cheated on them with a robot.

0:31:36.360 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 5>Like that wasn't on my Bingo card, but maybe it

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 5>should have been.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you find it's so fascinating. I'd love to do

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 3>an episode.

0:31:43.760 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 4>I also want to validate her I would find this

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 4>really weird. Yeah, I just want to know I would

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 4>find this super strange, So you're not weird in that way.

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I would absolutely as well.

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:53.959
<v Speaker 3>And I think, you know, to be fair, if I

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:55.800
<v Speaker 3>was going to hire a male assistant, I'd probably want

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 3>one that.

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Was going to be like look is Like.

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I find this such an interesting space because I think

0:32:02.480 --> 0:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>for me like chat, GPT and AIS and area in

0:32:05.520 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 2>which only in the last couple of months have I

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:10.959
<v Speaker 2>started to familiarize myself with it. Really it's this year

0:32:11.000 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 2>to Yeah, and I have seen the massive impacts that

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 2>it has in how much it streamlines small business and

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 2>how I can speak to it. Like you know this

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 2>idea that you can create personas that are specialists in

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>different areas, whether it might be investing, or it could

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:29.680
<v Speaker 2>be taxation or it could be like how to build

0:32:29.720 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 2>small business like for me. I have found it such

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>an incredible tool this year, and I was having a

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 2>great conversation with a friend about it recently who also

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:40.280
<v Speaker 2>runs businesses and uses it in many ways across his life.

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:44.000
<v Speaker 2>And I find it interesting because I would never have

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:46.520
<v Speaker 2>thought to use it for personal connection, but I think

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 2>that there are a lot of people who are seeking

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 2>out something that do. I do question though this whole situation,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.200
<v Speaker 2>so like I'd fucking love a follow up on that one.

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, question number two.

0:32:55.480 --> 0:32:58.120
<v Speaker 2>I found out my partner is on antidepressants, but he

0:32:58.160 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 2>hasn't told me.

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I have been with my partner for five years.

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 2>We are super settled, we own a house, we've got

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 2>a dog, and we have been unsuccessfully trying for a

0:33:06.240 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>family for the past two and a half years. This

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.560
<v Speaker 2>has obviously been a pretty rough time, with losses and

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:13.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of failures, plus a whole lot of hormones

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and disappointment. For reference, he is a closed book kind

0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 2>of guy. He shows up in every way, but he's

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 2>not a big talker and is very private. He's a

0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:26.520
<v Speaker 2>head down and get on with it type. Today I

0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 2>found a prescription for antidepressants that had fallen out of

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 2>his bag. It was a repeat with the original dated

0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 2>over a year ago. Now, I had known that he

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>had seen a psychologist previously in the context of his

0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 2>previous job, but I had no idea that this was

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>an issue for him. In one sense, I feel very

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 2>proud of him for reaching out when he obviously needed

0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:48.760
<v Speaker 2>the help. However, I'm at a loss as to what

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 2>to do with this information. Now Do I tell him

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:52.840
<v Speaker 2>that I know and risk pushing him away.

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 3>I just think, first and foremost, the fact that he's

0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.040
<v Speaker 3>gone to get help, whether he's told you or not,

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 3>is the most important thing here. Like, he's recognized in

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 3>him that he needs something, some guidance and some support,

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 3>and he's gone and done that. And I think that

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:07.400
<v Speaker 3>that is incredible because a lot of people don't even

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:11.319
<v Speaker 3>recognize that. So that is the first step. I don't

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:15.040
<v Speaker 3>think you can be upset personally that he hasn't told

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>you yet. Everybody handles things differently. Would I want to

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.320
<v Speaker 3>have the discussion now and no, Yeah, absolutely, because I

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 3>think that's important that he realizes there's nothing to be

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:28.240
<v Speaker 3>embarrassed about. There is more support at home. You're equally

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 3>there for him. I don't think there is anything negative

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:33.680
<v Speaker 3>about increasing your support group, but I understand that it's

0:34:33.760 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 3>really hard for some people to have those conversations. You

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be, but some men feel embarrassed about it, the

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:42.640
<v Speaker 3>fact that they have had to seek help. And we

0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 3>know that this is a toxic masculinity, Like we know

0:34:44.960 --> 0:34:47.960
<v Speaker 3>that they have been conditioned. Men have been conditioned to

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.399
<v Speaker 3>not be weak, not seek help, not show that they

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.200
<v Speaker 3>may be feeling down and out or you know, are

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:56.680
<v Speaker 3>not the strong provider. Yeah, I just sai, they're struggling.

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.359
<v Speaker 3>But now that you have found it, I do think

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.919
<v Speaker 3>it's important those conversations with your partner and let them

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 3>know that, like, hey, I'm here, if you're you know,

0:35:04.360 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 3>like do you want to talk about this? How's it

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 3>going with you? You just have to say that I saw

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 3>this fill out of your bag? Did you want to

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 3>chat about that? Like? How you know? And then if

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't, you don't push it because you know that

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.240
<v Speaker 3>he's seeking to help. But I don't think you completely

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 3>step back and forget about it either. I do think

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 3>it's an important thing for a couple to be across,

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.280
<v Speaker 3>like sort of be on the same page and understand

0:35:24.360 --> 0:35:26.400
<v Speaker 3>why they're on it, what they're going through. Can you

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 3>help and support in other ways, But it has to be,

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:31.840
<v Speaker 3>in my opinion, quite gentle.

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 2>I also really want to validate that this would be

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>really hard if you found out this about your partner

0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and they had actively chosen not to tell you. I

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>think that there would be a feeling of lack of closeness,

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.400
<v Speaker 2>of feeling as though that they're not able to share

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 2>with you the things that you would share with them,

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 2>and then there's this separation that occurs. But I also

0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 2>want you to know that that is not an indication

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.440
<v Speaker 2>that your relationship is not wonderful. It's not an indication

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 2>that they're not a good person. It's also not an

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>indication that there is something monumentally wrong. Your partner clearly

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 2>struggles with being vulnerable. You've said that he's a closed book,

0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, head down, bumma kind of get on with

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 2>that kind of guy. It's probably really really hard for

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:16.319
<v Speaker 2>him to talk about things that he is struggling with,

0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and everybody's everyone's spectrum and barometer from that is completely different.

0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Some people are so open and so able.

0:36:24.800 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 2>And it's a muscle that we flex, you know, once

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 2>you've had a bit of vulnerability and you realize, okay,

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:32.439
<v Speaker 2>well nothing bad happened, and I actually feel a little

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.360
<v Speaker 2>bit better for doing it. Then it creates that muscle

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>memory to be able to be more vulnerable people who

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 2>have never been vulnerable because they've maybe been shamed for

0:36:41.200 --> 0:36:43.719
<v Speaker 2>their vulnerability in the past, or they've been told boys

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>don't cry, or you just don't know how someone's exposure

0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:48.720
<v Speaker 2>or what someone's exposure has been up until this point.

0:36:49.520 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>It feels so hard to open up and speak about

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 2>it because there is so much fear around the reaction

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 2>of the person that you're telling. I agree with you, Britt.

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I think is an opportunity to have a conversation. And

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:07.160
<v Speaker 2>I would approach it very, very softly, and I would

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:10.839
<v Speaker 2>approach it from the perspective of like, babe, I want

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:11.200
<v Speaker 2>you to know.

0:37:11.360 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Don't have to say babe.

0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Whatever the fuck you call them, I don't know, but like,

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:15.799
<v Speaker 2>if this was me and I found out that this

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.640
<v Speaker 2>was Matt, I would sit them down and I would

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 2>be like, Hey, I just want you to know I

0:37:19.760 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>saw the prescription that you have for the antidepressants, and

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I really want you to know that I'm so proud

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.080
<v Speaker 2>of you for going and having that conversation with a therapist,

0:37:28.080 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 2>and if there is a point where you want to

0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.680
<v Speaker 2>talk to me about it, like I am here.

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm your biggest supporter.

0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I love you so much and I only want you

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 2>to be the best version of yourself, and so like,

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I hope that you feel as though you can get

0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:43.759
<v Speaker 2>to a point where you can let me in on

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 2>that and then see what happens from it. And I

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 2>think creating space where people feel okay to talk about

0:37:49.239 --> 0:37:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that they're really struggling with is the first

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 2>step for them to be comfortable with opening up. And

0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:57.080
<v Speaker 2>he might not right away, and that's okay as well,

0:37:57.560 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it might come some you know a

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit for down the line. There are a lot

0:38:02.040 --> 0:38:07.719
<v Speaker 2>of people who are in relationships where their partner struggles

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 2>to tell them the intricacies of what they're going through

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:12.600
<v Speaker 2>in terms of their mental health, and often, you know,

0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 2>it comes as a surprise. Often it's like I had

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:18.080
<v Speaker 2>no idea that they were feeling that way because they've

0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.120
<v Speaker 2>been so good at masking it or so good at

0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>being the strong, stoic type. Yeah, I think that this

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:26.759
<v Speaker 2>is an opportunity to try and slowly build vulnerability in

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 2>your relationship, which obviously you have but he doesn't have yet,

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and it's something that is a learned skill. But I

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:34.799
<v Speaker 2>also want to say, like I said, that would be

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 2>really hard to realize.

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Can I just add two cents?

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 4>Because I've been on psychiatric medication for years and years

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 4>and years, a variety of different ones, and I have

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.239
<v Speaker 4>really really noticed a difference in the way that I

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:50.280
<v Speaker 4>have conversations with women versus straight men about psychiatric medication.

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's for every reason that you guys have listed.

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 4>It's completely social conditioning and you know, the ideas of

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 4>masculinity in that kind of thing. In my own life

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.960
<v Speaker 4>that I've found it best to have these types of

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 4>conversations with straight men is.

0:39:05.600 --> 0:39:08.200
<v Speaker 5>Really in a like treat them like a cat approach.

0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 4>And I know that that sounds a little bit weird,

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:13.439
<v Speaker 4>but I've found that just putting the idea out there

0:39:14.520 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 4>and then waiting, like literally going away, whether it be

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 4>a text message or whether it be I mentioned something

0:39:19.920 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 4>in a conversation right at the end of when I'm

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.000
<v Speaker 4>going to see them, and then we have time in between.

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.399
<v Speaker 4>I have found that the majority of men will come

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:29.279
<v Speaker 4>to me later they'll either send me a text a

0:39:29.320 --> 0:39:31.400
<v Speaker 4>week later or something like that. They'll bring it up

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 4>the next time that I see them. But I have

0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 4>found that to be a much I guess it's been

0:39:36.640 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 4>received a lot better when I've had conversations like that

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 4>with guys, whereas with my girlfriends who maybe have been

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.600
<v Speaker 4>suffering from anxiety or depression or that kind of thing,

0:39:45.680 --> 0:39:47.799
<v Speaker 4>we really get into the nitty gritty. I've actually noticed

0:39:47.800 --> 0:39:49.880
<v Speaker 4>a very distinct difference.

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:51.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like a running monologue you can have with your

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>friends about something. It's you look and everyone's different, and

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, everyone's relationships are so different. I totally agree

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 2>with what you're saying, Keish. I don't have a lot

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:02.719
<v Speaker 2>of skin in the game with this, but I did

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:05.160
<v Speaker 2>have one long term relationship. My part of that I

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 2>was with for six years. He had depression and he

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:11.480
<v Speaker 2>had been diagnosed, but only towards the end of our relationship,

0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:13.920
<v Speaker 2>and he didn't tell me straight away we broke up.

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 2>He had been diagnosed and it was we were back together,

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.399
<v Speaker 2>but he didn't tell me for almost a year, and

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>he was just super ashamed, and he was super embarrassed,

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.560
<v Speaker 2>and he was embarrassed that that.

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>For so long.

0:40:26.800 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Our relationship was affected by him suffering through depression and

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 2>actually not recognizing that that's what it was, and the

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:36.080
<v Speaker 2>blame that he put on me for things and in

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:39.200
<v Speaker 2>it was a very complex thing to deal with. We

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.239
<v Speaker 2>were also only twenty four to twenty five years old,

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>so like we didn't have the skills for how to

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:45.880
<v Speaker 2>deal with this as well. I have no idea how

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:47.600
<v Speaker 2>old you guys are, how long you've been in this

0:40:47.680 --> 0:40:50.240
<v Speaker 2>really apart from five years. Like, there's so many dynamics

0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:52.160
<v Speaker 2>to this, and I think just having grace for each

0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 2>other in these sort of really hard times creates space

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:55.840
<v Speaker 2>for vulnerability.

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:59.040
<v Speaker 4>I just to wonder if, practically, because everything you guys

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 4>have said I completely agree with, and I think that

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 4>you know, saying I'm really proud of you, I think

0:41:03.040 --> 0:41:06.880
<v Speaker 4>that's a fantastic place to start. I personally wonder whether

0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 4>if I was in this situation, I might send a

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:12.000
<v Speaker 4>text message and say, hey, look, I just wanted to

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 4>let you know I've accidentally kind of stumbled upon this.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.920
<v Speaker 5>I'm really proud of you, like you said, Laura. The

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:17.959
<v Speaker 5>reason I say that.

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.279
<v Speaker 4>Is because you can end it with if you want

0:41:20.280 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 4>to talk about this, I'm so happy to talk about

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:23.920
<v Speaker 4>it with you, and if you never want to talk

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 4>about it, that's also okay. I just think that he

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 4>might find having that little bit of processing time where

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:32.440
<v Speaker 4>he's not going to be confronted by the fact that

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 4>you've just found out and you know he's been keeping

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 4>this secret from you, it might make him feel a

0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 4>little bit more comfortable to kind of have a think

0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 4>about how he wants to talk about it with you first.

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.080
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. I don't know if I agree with the

0:41:43.120 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 2>text message situation.

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Because I think personal I think yeah.

0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:48.759
<v Speaker 2>And the reason for that is is because text messages

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:52.240
<v Speaker 2>have zero tone and can be misinterpreted.

0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 1>They're not from your partner. No, well, yeah, I think so.

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:57.640
<v Speaker 2>And also, you know, you can still create that separation

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 2>in a face to face conversation of like, you know,

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 2>end it with a kiss, be like, there's no obligation

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>to talk about this now.

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 1>I love you, I love you.

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't want you to feel on the spot, like,

0:42:07.560 --> 0:42:08.960
<v Speaker 2>have a think about it, and you know, if you

0:42:08.960 --> 0:42:10.520
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it later, we can, and if not,

0:42:10.600 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 2>then no pressure. Like I actually think good communication skills

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>in the flesh will create that vulnerability way more than

0:42:17.960 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 2>a text message would.

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree, And I also think that you can't

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:25.600
<v Speaker 3>underestimate human connection and like physically to crack it open. Yeah,

0:42:25.640 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 3>physically being there. And the only other thing I wanted

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 3>to say is here.

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Just give him a hug. He might just need that

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:31.759
<v Speaker 1>and nothing else.

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:36.040
<v Speaker 3>There is a priority chain here and it sucks for

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 3>you to hear it, but you're not the top priority.

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.000
<v Speaker 3>The top priority is the fact that he's getting help.

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 3>So if it comes down to him getting help or

0:42:44.080 --> 0:42:46.279
<v Speaker 3>him talking to about it, you're always going to be

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 3>better off saying Okay, I'm happy to never hear about

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:50.560
<v Speaker 3>it as long as he's getting the help, and that

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 3>is something you have to be aware of that he

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 3>might say. But I do think it is the basis

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 3>of a foundation of any relationship to at least lay

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 3>that found and say I am here. I do know like,

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 3>you haven't done anything wrong, you haven't gone through his bag.

0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 3>He hasn't done anything wrong by keeping it from you.

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.359
<v Speaker 3>That's his personal choice and that's what's best for him.

0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 3>So definitely talk to him about it personally. I'd do

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.839
<v Speaker 3>it in person, but you decide what's right for your

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.919
<v Speaker 3>relationship and then leave it as much as you want

0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 3>to know and it would probably kill you. And I

0:43:21.719 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 3>think as partners sometimes and almost in every other way,

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 3>I do think it's valid. But as partners sometimes we

0:43:28.360 --> 0:43:32.160
<v Speaker 3>feel like we have the right to know everything about

0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 3>our partner, and if they keep something from us, you

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:36.880
<v Speaker 3>sometimes feel a sense of like, oh, well, do you

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 3>not trust me enough? But in some cases like this

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 3>and around mental health, whilst I do think the best

0:43:42.760 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 3>thing is to be open with your partners and talking,

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 3>it's just not for everybody, and I would hate for

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 3>you to take that personally if he doesn't feel like

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.439
<v Speaker 3>he wants to break it open straight away. But once

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 3>you lay that foundation and you're aware of it, you

0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.600
<v Speaker 3>can bread crum it like you can gain pieces of

0:43:57.640 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 3>information over the coming months, and he'll probably feel more

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:03.040
<v Speaker 3>open about talking, or he might tell you straight away.

0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:04.920
<v Speaker 3>I was embarrassed to know how to tell you. I

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 3>didn't know how to bring it up. I didn't want

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:08.640
<v Speaker 3>you to judge me or whatever it is. But when

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:10.160
<v Speaker 3>you say I don't know what to do with information,

0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 3>do I bring it up for me? Yes? I think

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:13.360
<v Speaker 3>for all of us.

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 3>I recently got into a relationship with a guy and

0:44:17.719 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 3>it has been five months now. We met through a

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.840
<v Speaker 3>dating app and had no mutual friends prior to meeting.

0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 3>From the start, he always told me that he had

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.319
<v Speaker 3>no friends, and initially I thought he was just exaggerating

0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:31.920
<v Speaker 3>because I just couldn't comprehend how people could have zero friends,

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:35.080
<v Speaker 3>especially when he seemed really well rounded and he could

0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 3>hold great conversations with strangers. I've asked him a few

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:40.839
<v Speaker 3>times why he has no friends, and he says, that's

0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 3>just how it is. He has quite a lot of acquaintances,

0:44:43.520 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 3>and from what I can see, he gets along with

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 3>people in his life, such as colleagues. He hasn't introduced

0:44:48.840 --> 0:44:52.080
<v Speaker 3>me to anyone in his life, though, because he says, well,

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 3>they're just acquaintances and they are not important enough to

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 3>introduce you to. My question is is this normal for

0:44:58.719 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 3>a guy or should I treat it as a sort

0:45:00.600 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 3>of red flag? I have really strong friendships and a

0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:06.319
<v Speaker 3>lot of friendly acquaintances who he has met, but it's

0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.839
<v Speaker 3>just starting to feel a bit one sided. Hmmm.

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:16.839
<v Speaker 2>Tricky, tricky, tricky, tricky talk about the reason why this

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 2>is tricky is because yes, it could be a red

0:45:20.120 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 2>flag for sure, but it could also not be a

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 2>red flag. And it's really really hard to get to

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the bottom of which is true. And the reason why

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I say this is because, for example, he could be

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:34.040
<v Speaker 2>living a double life. He could have another girlfriend, Like,

0:45:34.080 --> 0:45:36.840
<v Speaker 2>there could be lots of reasons why he's lying about

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:39.760
<v Speaker 2>not having friends or not wanting to introduce you or whatever,

0:45:40.239 --> 0:45:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and that might be a carnival of red flags. But

0:45:43.280 --> 0:45:46.640
<v Speaker 2>the reason why is really really important. It's a very

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 2>interesting way of approaching the way that he spoke to you,

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.080
<v Speaker 2>saying from the initial time of dating, like, I don't

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 2>have any friends. Most people wouldn't say that quite that bluntly.

0:45:56.080 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 2>He could have just gone through a massive friendship breakdown

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.680
<v Speaker 2>where he lost a lot of friends. He might have

0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:03.880
<v Speaker 2>moved from another country, Like there's so many reasons why

0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 2>someone doesn't have friends. I guess, like, it doesn't necessarily

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.279
<v Speaker 2>mean that they're a terrible person. Is it sad might

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:12.600
<v Speaker 2>be a bit lonely for them. Is it something that

0:46:12.719 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 2>like you know, hopefully he can work on. Absolutely doesn't

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:18.239
<v Speaker 2>mean that he's going to be terrible in this relationship.

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Really hard to tell, like really hard to know if

0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that's going to be the byproduct thoughts.

0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 3>I agree that it doesn't have to be a red flag,

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:29.440
<v Speaker 3>and it doesn't have to mean anything, but it also could.

0:46:29.480 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 3>But my first thought is when he said to you, oh, no,

0:46:32.800 --> 0:46:34.839
<v Speaker 3>they're not important, No one's important enough for you to meet,

0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm calling bullshit. Something's not right, That's what I think,

0:46:38.320 --> 0:46:41.960
<v Speaker 3>because you don't say you meet people all the time,

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.200
<v Speaker 3>you meet strangers all the time. You don't meet someone

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 3>based on the importance of if you should meet them.

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:50.000
<v Speaker 3>If he has a bunch of acquaintances and he's say, nah,

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 3>it's not worth your meeting, don't worry. He's keeping you

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 3>separate for a reason. That's and I hate being that person.

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:58.920
<v Speaker 3>And it could be in the smaller minority that he

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:01.319
<v Speaker 3>is doing nothing wrong and that's just how he is.

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.320
<v Speaker 3>I just don't think so. Anyone that is completely one

0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent keeping two lives separate is usually for a reason.

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:11.640
<v Speaker 3>And when I was dating that guy that had the

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:14.800
<v Speaker 3>double life, he did the same thing. He just always

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.360
<v Speaker 3>used to say that there was no one worth meeting,

0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 3>no one close to him, or he didn't like them.

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 3>They're not you know, But it was because he had

0:47:20.440 --> 0:47:22.680
<v Speaker 3>another relationship and all these people knew that. And I'm

0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:25.960
<v Speaker 3>not saying that this guy has that, but generally speaking,

0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:29.560
<v Speaker 3>if you have not met one person in his life

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:33.360
<v Speaker 3>in five months, I want to say it's for a reason,

0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 3>so I would be trying to push to maybe go

0:47:35.520 --> 0:47:37.800
<v Speaker 3>to his next work thing like, five months is a

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.560
<v Speaker 3>pretty long time to have not met a soul, not

0:47:40.600 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 3>a colleague, not an acquaintance, not a family member. And

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to freak you out by saying he's

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 3>living a double life. He may not be, but it's

0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 3>not normal. And I think if you push the fact

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:52.120
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more, like I'd really love to meet

0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.960
<v Speaker 3>someone that you work with or or someone whatever, and

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 3>he still pushes back, I'd be asking more questions.

0:47:57.600 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 2>I guess my thing, though, is is like he might

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.280
<v Speaker 2>be really introverted person. He might be someone who loves

0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 2>his space or who doesn't prioritize friendships. I guess my

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:09.240
<v Speaker 2>thing is is like it doesn't necessary without more information.

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.239
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean that he's a bad person, that's all,

0:48:12.280 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and I don't want it, or it doesn't mean that

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 2>he's completely lying to you, but it could be a

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:18.640
<v Speaker 2>red flag. And I guess the thing is is that

0:48:18.840 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 2>we socially, especially when we're newly dating someone, we socially

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:27.319
<v Speaker 2>use our loose connections with them to validate whether they're

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 2>a good person or not. The problem is is like

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:31.600
<v Speaker 2>you have no mutual friends, which back in the day,

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:33.920
<v Speaker 2>mutual friends were a great way of finding out whether

0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 2>someone was worth investing it or not. He's saying he

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 2>has no friends at all, and you haven't met any

0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 2>family members or work colleagues or acquaintances. And I think

0:48:43.160 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 2>that that's probably where it becomes tricky for you to

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:49.440
<v Speaker 2>gauge the information that you need before you make a

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:51.920
<v Speaker 2>real commitment to this person. But I do want to

0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:54.360
<v Speaker 2>say though, that there would be other ways of figuring

0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.040
<v Speaker 2>this out. What's his social media presence, like, like does

0:48:57.080 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 2>he have an active social media presence? Does he have

0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 2>a absolutely no social media presence? Is he contactable all

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 2>the time? Is he not contactable? You know, what's his

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.800
<v Speaker 2>availability is? Like I guess, like there are other ways

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 2>to try and figure out if you know, for example,

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 2>it's the worst case scenario, like he's got a double life,

0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:17.800
<v Speaker 2>or he just actually is someone who maybe doesn't interact

0:49:17.800 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 2>with people in the same way that we, you know,

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:23.879
<v Speaker 2>as a majority, prioritize or socialize.

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Like maybe he's a spy. He's not a spy.

0:49:28.239 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 1>Is he James Bourne double A seven Laura, No.

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:34.439
<v Speaker 3>But on the other side of this, let's go back

0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.400
<v Speaker 3>to he is a perfectly normal person that is not

0:49:37.440 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 3>doing the wrong thing and just has no friends. That

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:42.800
<v Speaker 3>only becomes a problem for you if it's a problem

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 3>for you. So if you're a super social person and

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:47.719
<v Speaker 3>you are always wanting to go out, but you also

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 3>like your own space, you're independent, and you've met somebody

0:49:51.200 --> 0:49:53.719
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't have the same values, doesn't want the same things,

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:55.719
<v Speaker 3>doesn't have the fun in the same way, and he's

0:49:55.760 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 3>also really needy on you because you're now the only

0:49:58.120 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 3>person in their life. Literally, that becomes a problem before

0:50:01.680 --> 0:50:04.160
<v Speaker 3>you if it's a problem, but you might meet somebody

0:50:04.960 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 3>like it's pretty normal for people to not have a

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.440
<v Speaker 3>ludicrous amount of friends, but it's the not one person

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 3>in his life. That's a bit of the alarm for me.

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 3>But a lot of people match that are just as

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 3>sort of needy and introverted and have the same social

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:21.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, they're on the same wavelength socially, So that

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 3>is just something you've got to ask yourself if like

0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:28.080
<v Speaker 3>your relationship and who you are matches with somebody that

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 3>is pole opposite.

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I would be judging him on how he

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:33.840
<v Speaker 2>treats you and how he treats people around you, and

0:50:34.600 --> 0:50:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like other things that he does that I think indicate

0:50:37.680 --> 0:50:42.040
<v Speaker 2>whether there's red flags or not. Absolutely do think that

0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 2>this could be a big red flag. And it is

0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>challenging when someone says they have no friends and no

0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 2>one for you to meet, like most people would be

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.760
<v Speaker 2>like rare alarm bells. I'm trying to play Devil's advocate

0:50:51.800 --> 0:50:54.440
<v Speaker 2>here and think of the situations where that might not

0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:56.719
<v Speaker 2>be the case. And I guess my big thing is

0:50:56.719 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 2>is like, if he's treating you amazingly, if everything else

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 2>suggests that it's okay, and the one thing is that

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:06.560
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have a group of friends that would reflect

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.640
<v Speaker 2>sort of his social life, I just question more so

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:11.640
<v Speaker 2>And it's probably what you brought up, Britt, is the

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 2>is the idea that there is no one in his

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.959
<v Speaker 2>life that you can meet. And you know, just because

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have friends doesn't mean he's not close to

0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 2>his family. You know, has he just been this complete

0:51:20.960 --> 0:51:23.319
<v Speaker 2>lone ranger for the past x amount of years? Like

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>what does his history look like? I think there's more

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:28.319
<v Speaker 2>there that you can unpack and I would love to

0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:31.279
<v Speaker 2>know people's opinions on this because you know, there are

0:51:31.320 --> 0:51:33.560
<v Speaker 2>people who have a lot of friends, big social groups,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we know from doing this podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>there are people who would objectively say that they don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any friends and they don't know how to make friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is something that we you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to say that people who don't have friends clearly

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<v Speaker 2>are red flag in relationships, because those people exist, and

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<v Speaker 2>there are people who have had to ask relative strangers

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<v Speaker 2>to be their bridesmaids before, and we've had those questions

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<v Speaker 2>come in.

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<v Speaker 3>I also want to know his social media status. Does

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<v Speaker 3>he use it? Does he post?

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<v Speaker 1>You?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you openly comment on his photos? Like is he

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<v Speaker 3>also protective about that? If there are other protective flags?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that is a really telltale sign. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>not because he's a spy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not real.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you can let us know those, because this

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<v Speaker 3>is the shit that I need follow ups on.

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<v Speaker 4>Imagine if the follow up was actually that he was

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<v Speaker 4>a spo I know, I'm not letting this goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Imagine, Sure, he's a creep, he's not a spy.

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<v Speaker 4>In the aftermath, if she was like I actually found

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<v Speaker 4>out or worse.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in witness protection or something like yeah, grim, look

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<v Speaker 2>you know what to cover cop like if you want

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<v Speaker 2>advice on this as well. Like I was like, as

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about it, I was doing some like

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<v Speaker 2>I was like in Reddit and I was in Cora

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<v Speaker 2>and having a look at like what people's experiences are,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is, you know, objectively, it's really sad. There's

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<v Speaker 2>like quite a few people that are like, how do

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<v Speaker 2>I tell my girlfriend that I don't have any friends?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>And there's people who have asked this exact question. Is

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<v Speaker 2>my new partner not having friends a red flag?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it bad to only have a girlfriend but not

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<v Speaker 2>have any friends. There are a lot of people out

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<v Speaker 2>there who do not have friends, and there are many

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<v Speaker 2>reasons as to why making friends is challenging for some people.

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<v Speaker 3>This for me, isn't about the friends. It's about that

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<v Speaker 3>no one, yes, no acquaintance being important enough for you

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<v Speaker 3>to meet, no family, no one. This isn't just the friendship,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I only have a small amount of friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, and I think that that's the big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you are still especially if there's like work events

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<v Speaker 2>that partners come to or there is like family things

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<v Speaker 2>that are happening, like there are other ways for you

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<v Speaker 2>to be brought in into his life in its full

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<v Speaker 2>capacity of whatever his life looks like, whether it has

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<v Speaker 2>friends or doesn't have friends, where you know that gives

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<v Speaker 2>you the reassurance, but only you will know that once

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<v Speaker 2>you have been brought into that full capacity, that's the reality.

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<v Speaker 2>And if he, for a very prolonged period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>continues to keep you within a separate sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>you're here and the rest of my life is here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to put it down to I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't have friends close enough to introduce you to, then yes,

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<v Speaker 2>there will come a point where this is a red

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<v Speaker 2>flag and you will know that this is a problem

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<v Speaker 2>because it will become increasingly evident that he is keeping

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<v Speaker 2>two sides of his life separate. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to be the tell all for this. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't want to answer this and answer it

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<v Speaker 2>in a way which is like people who don't have

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<v Speaker 2>friends clearly are fucking crazy, because we haven't said that

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<v Speaker 2>totally totally, And I say this because it's fucking hard.

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<v Speaker 5>The only question I have is why don't they have friends?

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<v Speaker 1>Why are they spy? Please me? We just need that.

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<v Speaker 3>It added information about the relationship as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's it, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I really loved those questions, all questions that we hadn't

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<v Speaker 3>really had before, which is nice. Hey, keep them coming in,

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<v Speaker 3>keep the aftermaths coming in. We want to do aftermath.

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<v Speaker 3>So just writingto Instagram, we will always keep you anonymous,

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<v Speaker 3>keep you accidental, unfiltereds coming in. We want those embarrassing stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Please remember, you can go and watch it on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a very different experience to go and watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Keisha's about to say, we did crack ten k.

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<v Speaker 5>Which is really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>But describers, by the way, not just definitely. We haven't

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<v Speaker 3>made any dollars, but subscribers.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a very different experience to watch it on YouTube.

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