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Speaker 3: Hello Mancherie, Happy Monday. It's Flexing f Rooms the catch
Speaker 3: up podcast and I really like this podcast. The bit
Speaker 3: that we're going in depth about is influencers. Lil is
Speaker 3: a self identifying influencer. I'd say I am influencer adjacent.
Speaker 1: Maybe you can take the content creator.
Speaker 3: I hate content creator really so reductive. Yeah, I hope
Speaker 3: that we get to a point where we think of
Speaker 3: another name for content. I know that's a bit nitpicky,
Speaker 3: but the.
Speaker 1: Full set producer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess it is what it is. You know,
Speaker 3: but before content was considered content, it was content that
Speaker 3: was like stuff you put in your glove box.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the content person, which is.
Speaker 3: What content should be? Such dime. It doesn't. But we're
Speaker 3: going to be talking about influencers that edit their photos
Speaker 3: and the intricacies of that. Apparently in Sweden there is
Speaker 3: a law, was it Norway?
Speaker 4: Norway and the UK they're proposing a bill to have
Speaker 4: influencers who edit their images to no, not edit their images.
Speaker 4: We're called talking digitally alter your body in paid posts.
Speaker 4: I have to disclose that in writing in a clear
Speaker 4: spot for everybody to see it did an effort to
Speaker 4: tackle body dysmorphia. Because the stats are statsing and it's
Speaker 4: not looking good.
Speaker 3: Breathorry, not at all. All right, let's get into.
Speaker 1: It, flex and firds.
Speaker 4: What kind of world do we live in where a
Speaker 4: billionaire doesn't want it to be known? Nicki Minaj posted
Speaker 4: a video of her getting onto this huge plane. Huge
Speaker 4: I don't even know, Like it wasn't a Boweing seven
Speaker 4: or seven, but for a private plane, private jet. It
Speaker 4: was beefy. As she's filming this private plane, she says,
Speaker 4: and I quote, this is what happens when you got
Speaker 4: a rich I'm.
Speaker 1: Sorry, a very rich, rich, rich, rich.
Speaker 4: Canadian friend who was the only billionaire I know that
Speaker 4: doesn't want people to know he's a billionaire.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: But all right, presumably going on to Drake's jet, he
Speaker 4: has a couple, naturally, But it makes sense that.
Speaker 1: Drake would be a billionaire. But why would he want
Speaker 1: to hide it? Oh? You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Do you have a theory?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like, I don't think he's trying to
Speaker 1: be relatable.
Speaker 4: I don't think it serves him negatively for that to
Speaker 4: be a fact. But I was also thinking well, of
Speaker 4: course he's a billionaire because he signed a Sony deal
Speaker 4: for two albums for four hundred million. And that's the
Speaker 4: speculation as to why he dropped him so quickly, just
Speaker 4: to get in and out of the deal, because he
Speaker 4: can do two albums easy one last year won this
Speaker 4: year eleven months in between they both bop. Secret Drake fan,
Speaker 4: but I'm hopeful. Okay, So there's that. I don't know
Speaker 4: why he wouldn't admit it. Producer Brook thinks that Drake
Speaker 4: is hiding his wealth so he'san to pay child support,
Speaker 4: which is a possibility, but still, you know, your wealth
Speaker 4: is well documented.
Speaker 3: It's not getting out of the alimony payments.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Interesting, I wonder he's very much a soft boy, isn't he. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's gotten a bit more horny lately, like when he
Speaker 3: air dropped. That's with age though, Yeah, yes, no shame.
Speaker 1: I don't have any theories.
Speaker 4: Well, we don't even know if I'm assuming it was Drake,
Speaker 4: because who else could she be talking about so candidly.
Speaker 4: Canadian friend, very very rich, doesn't want you to know,
Speaker 4: and they're very good friends, right, very good friends, very
Speaker 4: good friends. When I have a good theory, I'm waiting
Speaker 4: on Reddit to peculate some stuff and I'll come back
Speaker 4: to you.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Nicki Minaj be the first female rapper to make
Speaker 3: so many plays on a song as super Freaky Girl.
Speaker 3: What So? Last week, Kaita wrote super Freaky Girl owns
Speaker 3: the biggest debut for a solo female rap song in
Speaker 3: Spotify history.
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that means, but I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: And I have listened to her five times.
Speaker 1: This song you really like? I love it?
Speaker 4: Flex and every now and then and we bring you
Speaker 4: the most interesting news I think the Internet has to
Speaker 4: ofk I like to keep us informed. I want to
Speaker 4: know if you think there should be a label warning
Speaker 4: on Instagram post to let you know when influencers have
Speaker 4: digitally altered their body.
Speaker 1: Hard yes, hard no, go hard no so.
Speaker 4: Last year, Norway made it illegal in an effort to
Speaker 4: tackle body dysmorphia on a wide scale. So there were
Speaker 4: amendments to their two thousand and nine Marketing Acts to
Speaker 4: make it illegal for influencers to share retouched photos of
Speaker 4: their body in promotional posts on social media without acknowledging
Speaker 4: that the image had been edited.
Speaker 1: It's like you can do it.
Speaker 4: But you've got to say, hey, slimmed up the arm
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know, made the feet a little smaller.
Speaker 4: I know, kin kot ashition does this thing where she
Speaker 4: reduces the visibility of her traps.
Speaker 1: It's a thing she does. Yeah, right, so that was interesting.
Speaker 4: Now this year, a year later, the UK is following
Speaker 4: suit and they've just put forward a bill for something similar.
Speaker 1: They said.
Speaker 4: From April to October twenty twenty one, the NHS saw
Speaker 4: hospital of Mimisis for anorexia, bolimia and eating disorders in
Speaker 4: young people age seventeen and under rows by forty one percent.
Speaker 1: They said, it's not a game anymore.
Speaker 4: Like, we can't just ignore it and assume that people
Speaker 4: will build healthy habits or they'll find their way to
Speaker 4: alternative ways to manage what they're going through. And so
Speaker 4: they largely believe that the pandemic has pushed our lives
Speaker 4: and interactions too far onto social media where people can't
Speaker 4: discern between you know, they don't have time to step
Speaker 4: back or step away from what's pushing them further into
Speaker 4: this way of thinking. Broadly speaking, people are on board
Speaker 4: with it. They say, yeah, this is good that the
Speaker 4: government is taking more initiative to understanding what's impacting young
Speaker 4: people and proposing bills that make everybody responsible for how
Speaker 4: this impacts young people. However, there is criticism. They say,
Speaker 4: first of all, yes, Norway has implemented this, but not
Speaker 4: all Norwegians follow Norwegian people. So if your Instagram following
Speaker 4: is majority international people, then you are not going to
Speaker 4: see them disclosing when they have or have not been edited.
Speaker 4: And what are the odds that you follow predominantly Norwegian people.
Speaker 4: I know on my social media timelines it's full of Americans. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like it's very americanized.
Speaker 3: We get the like often people from Texas say I'm
Speaker 3: listening from Texas.
Speaker 1: You just want to be like, yeah, me too, Thank
Speaker 1: you King, and thank you. So that's a big consideration.
Speaker 4: And then also the bill specifically focuses on paid posts. Now,
Speaker 4: of what content creators and influencers are posting, we could
Speaker 4: say that we're being generous half of its pay posts. Yeah,
Speaker 4: let's say we're being generous. If the other half is
Speaker 4: organic reels and tiktoks and stories and snapchats and whatever,
Speaker 4: it can kind of sneak through the cracks and so
Speaker 4: it makes people question, you know, is this really the
Speaker 4: solution that they're hoping for, and will this change result
Speaker 4: in the forward progress that they're hoping for in the
Speaker 4: same way, is this change going to reach the people
Speaker 4: it needs to? So I think the conversations are happening
Speaker 4: in a very millennial space, like oh, the Internet's changing
Speaker 4: so much, and I think like under seventeen year olds
Speaker 4: are just doing what they do normally and being like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I didn't see that on the news because I didn't
Speaker 4: read the news.
Speaker 3: You make such a good point about the fact that
Speaker 3: a lot of people can't step back from media. I
Speaker 3: think something that maybe people don't consider is that we
Speaker 3: live in media now. Previously, media was like an offshoot
Speaker 3: of our life. For example, I studied media university as
Speaker 3: part of my course, and it was very much different
Speaker 3: to life. Yes, Facebook, you had to Instagram, which is
Speaker 3: like a little companion. Whereas now we are media. We
Speaker 3: are we are all media. We create ourselves to be consumed.
Speaker 4: Or even or The people who are impacted the most
Speaker 4: by media is because they live on the media.
Speaker 1: They live in it.
Speaker 3: They are feeding on it like bacti bacteria in a kombucha.
Speaker 1: Scoby Queen Slay Scobi Scoby deal.
Speaker 3: I think it's unfair for these predominantly young women because
Speaker 3: most influencers that make a lot of money of women
Speaker 3: are being I guess, disadvantaged by having to put it
Speaker 3: out there because magazines don't have to and they're the
Speaker 3: original harbors of like body insecurity. I also think it
Speaker 3: proves that there is a misunderstanding of what body dysmorphia is.
Speaker 3: You can have all types of body dysmorphia. It's not
Speaker 3: necessarily about being thin or like. It's not necessarily let's
Speaker 3: say a lot of the influencers have a single ideal
Speaker 3: that they're going for. You might have body dysmorphia that's
Speaker 3: completely unrelated to that. Like let's say you have a
Speaker 3: really small nose and you wish you out a really
Speaker 3: big nose.
Speaker 1: All that women.
Speaker 4: We spoke about a couple of weeks ago who had
Speaker 4: this deep insecurity of having a voice that was too
Speaker 4: high pitched.
Speaker 1: Yes, so she got it surgically lowered.
Speaker 3: Facts crazy like this is not something that comes out
Speaker 3: of social media. It's a mental illness. A lot of
Speaker 3: people don't understand things like body dysmorphia. It's not a
Speaker 3: vanity thing. It's not something that you get from looking
Speaker 3: at an Instagram post that's clearly edited. It's something deeper
Speaker 3: than that. I also think that we're literate about things
Speaker 3: that are edited. I think it's quite obvious now, and
Speaker 3: especially to the younger generation who have grown up with
Speaker 3: photo editing and it being so easy to do, like
Speaker 3: face tune and stuff. You can tell it from a
Speaker 3: mile away, and I'm old, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Don't disclose that. Don't do that.
Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that in another segment about
Speaker 3: millennial Internet versus gen x Internet. And I do also
Speaker 3: wonder about you always say correlation versus causation. It's probably
Speaker 3: interesting to talk about the hospitalizations for anorexia and other
Speaker 3: eating disorders. I think the pandemic has played some sort
Speaker 3: of role that we won't be aware of until a
Speaker 3: lot later. And just because it didn't happen in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty when it was like popping off, I know it
Speaker 3: would have exacerbated a lot of eating disorders in Australia
Speaker 3: like a crazy amount.
Speaker 4: I always think it's interesting when and where and how
Speaker 4: big media bodies the government chooses to step in on
Speaker 4: behalf of the disenfranchised, like this feels like, oh, I
Speaker 4: know you.
Speaker 1: Guys cared like that since when? And interestingly enough, what
Speaker 1: it takes.
Speaker 4: You know, Scandinavian countries have been touted as being quite progressive,
Speaker 4: so it's not unusual for them, But in the UK,
Speaker 4: I'm very surprised that this is like first cap of
Speaker 4: the rank, like, this is what we're going to tackle.
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of the legislation in the
Speaker 4: influencer community is so surface based and not actually tackling
Speaker 4: the fundamental issue of the fact that we live, Like
Speaker 4: what is being done is contrived and for the purpose
Speaker 4: of selling stuffs, and so like, let's make it not
Speaker 4: harder to sell stuff, but put more regulations on how
Speaker 4: that's done. Because this is targeting specifically paid posts. So
Speaker 4: then where is the brand's responsibility in hiring these people
Speaker 4: or the clients all the agencies, Like, don't they have
Speaker 4: a duty of care as well? Should there be instead
Speaker 4: of having to disclose once the post has gone live?
Speaker 4: Should there be an agreement within doing the content where
Speaker 4: it's like, we don't accept images that have been altered
Speaker 4: in any capacity before you even agree to sign on.
Speaker 4: Keeps making individuals the face of a broader problem. So
Speaker 4: the next time you see one individual person disclosed that yeah,
Speaker 4: they face you in their arm, You're like, oh, well great,
Speaker 4: that person's insecure, and now they're making me insecure, and
Speaker 4: it's like, no, no, this is a greater issue where
Speaker 4: we feel or where people feel as though they have
Speaker 4: to digitally older their bodies in order to sell you
Speaker 4: stuff to be perceived as more appealing. I often think
Speaker 4: that you mentioned that we are literate in seeing when
Speaker 4: things are altered or not. People always think, I face
Speaker 4: you in my face.
Speaker 1: Baby just looks like this.
Speaker 3: It's so new.
Speaker 4: I'm like, mm hmmm, mm hmm, it is. And they're
Speaker 4: looking for the like, oh, don't worry, it's just or
Speaker 4: like the admission. They're like, it doesn't actually look like this.
Speaker 4: I'm like, nobody does. So it goes both ways in
Speaker 4: the sense that somebody is waiting for me to say, like,
Speaker 4: don't feel insecure, this is not the real meat, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, you got it wrong.
Speaker 1: You've got the wrong way.
Speaker 3: Doing with a princess apprentcess.
Speaker 4: And alternatively, you have creators like Tanamojo. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if you're familiar with her, but she is a YouTube
Speaker 4: story time teller turned TikToker celebrity. I was saying, Tanamojo.
Speaker 4: She definitely like the Charlie Demilio Addison ray before they
Speaker 4: were that version on YouTube. There we go, and so
Speaker 4: she is the queen of face tune. She says it herself,
Speaker 4: so I will not post it. Will not post an
Speaker 4: image of myself that's not face tuned. She will if
Speaker 4: friends are posting images of her. She was like, she says,
Speaker 4: let me take it, do my little edit, send it back.
Speaker 3: Amazing.
Speaker 4: And she's candid about it in a way that is
Speaker 4: refreshing but also really counterintuitive. Because everything is so face tuned,
Speaker 4: you forget that she doesn't actually look like that look
Speaker 4: that way, Like I look at her and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 4: she's like looking snatched. And then you see a video
Speaker 4: of her You're like, oh, wait, no, she got me.
Speaker 1: I should know that. Why didn't I know that? So
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if this is a solution, but I'm
Speaker 4: interested to see what becomes of this. I feel like,
Speaker 4: if we're gonna make the industry more regulated, let's start
Speaker 4: from like the girl, not the final product.
Speaker 3: Literally, like, get public liability insurance if you're an influencer
Speaker 3: and this is going to come to Australia and throw
Speaker 3: it back on the brand. We know our parameters. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're no our legality.
Speaker 1: Just an influencer union, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: For real, because the media Union is incredible. If you
Speaker 3: work in the media and you're listening to this, join
Speaker 3: not financial or.
Speaker 1: Career advice, but just check it out.
Speaker 3: I really like this segment. FLEXI. There's more to be said.
Speaker 3: There's always more to be said, babe, but it's cool.
Speaker 3: They're even sparking conversations. So often people spark conversations. I
Speaker 3: think often about Dove no shade but their whole like
Speaker 3: like com beautied every size eye that time they like,
Speaker 3: I'm photoshop to that chick to show like how much
Speaker 3: photoshop media companies do do. It's like twenty two thousand
Speaker 3: and seven. It made this enormous like uproar about it
Speaker 3: because it's incredible, like showing women that are a size
Speaker 3: ten on a billboard, which actually was actually quite incredible
Speaker 3: time at the time.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on k I'm flex.
Speaker 4: I'm into beating vampires, fantasy books, talking about abstract things
Speaker 4: and not getting to the point quickly.
Speaker 3: I'm into baking sweet treats, cupcakes and whatnot. I'm going
Speaker 3: to bring them into the emphastics. Did savory No, I
Speaker 3: haven't cooked. I haven't cooked a savory meal in about
Speaker 3: three weeks. Damn. I've been eating prepackaged meals like a
Speaker 3: little heathen.
Speaker 1: It's not like you.
Speaker 3: I like rollbaiting also haven't done that in a while,
Speaker 3: and watching TV, most specifically Binge, Amazon, Yeah, etcetera. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I also have short hair right now, no currently wearing
Speaker 3: a wig because I'm like experimenting with other styles. You
Speaker 3: and I have a similar phenomenon that happened to us,
Speaker 3: which is when we are miss mischaracterized, mischaracterized as lesbians. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're not a lesbian. No, I'm not a lesbian. No,
Speaker 3: up for discussion for now, for now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at this point, as of August twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: not lesbians could change, could change.
Speaker 3: I was reading this article on Cora, which we talked
Speaker 3: about earlier. This is like readit where you ask a
Speaker 3: question and people give you advice, but it's frequented by
Speaker 3: thirteen year olds, so you can find all kinds of questions.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, my Cora is like sixty year olds.
Speaker 3: Mi Cora is like, how to keep your interest.
Speaker 1: As toys or something?
Speaker 2: Toys and entertainment, I said, philosophy, I said relationship problems.
Speaker 2: I read this question being like, what what do you
Speaker 2: find attractive in a woman?
Speaker 3: What do you not find attractive?
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 3: And a lot of them were like long hair, but
Speaker 3: teat body, toned, nice, sweet, laugh at my jokes. And
Speaker 3: on a lot of the no lists were women with
Speaker 3: short hair, and I said, my people. Then I went
Speaker 3: on to a woman and what a woman likes in
Speaker 3: a woman? Okay, yeah, to flip the script and see, okay,
Speaker 3: well what are women saying? And this one woman said
Speaker 3: tastes She said she likes women with short hair, and
Speaker 3: this is her quote. Refusing to date a woman with
Speaker 3: short hair is the male version of a woman refusing
Speaker 3: to date a short man. So my question is whoa
Speaker 3: a woman with short hair disadvantage the same as short
Speaker 3: men in dating?
Speaker 1: Do you need to call a man? Is that all
Speaker 1: we need to do?
Speaker 4: Because when I think about like short hair, I think
Speaker 4: that's really attractive on women. I love a little short
Speaker 4: bumb I do love a bald woman me too. I
Speaker 4: wouldn't think of long hair. I think a bunch of
Speaker 4: hairstylesfo I even got to long hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I guess that's your personal style. Like you
Speaker 3: you wear long hair, but like, yeah, your personal style
Speaker 3: is quite quirky. I do sometimes think if I were
Speaker 3: a man, what would I like? And I think I'd
Speaker 3: want long hair and a woman oh, which is a
Speaker 3: bit confusing. That is confusing. I guess the only difference
Speaker 3: is if you've got short hair, you can usually grow it,
Speaker 3: whereas our short kings give my heels.
Speaker 4: Is a short man the equivalent of a woman with
Speaker 4: short hair? No, no, because you can't do much disguise height.
Speaker 4: It's just like what height you are is what height
Speaker 4: you are, unless you're thirteen expecting a growth bert so like.
Speaker 4: But with your hair, we all knows as seen by
Speaker 4: you today, you can transform your hair in a second.
Speaker 1: It's an afterthow do want long haired day? Short haired day?
Speaker 4: You can present yourself in a way that is more
Speaker 4: or less attractive depending on your hair, depending on who
Speaker 4: you know's gonna vibe with that, haven't you that TikTok trend?
Speaker 4: These girls will there are a few videos, but basically
Speaker 4: these girls will talk about what kind of people they
Speaker 4: attract based on what hair style they have. It's like
Speaker 4: when I had shorter hair, I tracked this kind of guy,
Speaker 4: when I wore my hair on an afro. I tracked
Speaker 4: this kind of guy when I was blonde. I tracked
Speaker 4: this kind of guy when I was brunette.
Speaker 1: La la la.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's fascinating.
Speaker 3: Do you see a difference.
Speaker 4: Yes and no, but it's not We can't get into
Speaker 4: that right now. I want to go back to this
Speaker 4: short short king, long hair, short hair paradigm. I don't
Speaker 4: think they're equally yoked. I don't think they're equally discriminated either.
Speaker 4: I think it's like short guy, fat woman, not short guy,
Speaker 4: short hair. I think it'd be long hair, short hair,
Speaker 4: long haired guy, short haired woman's that is the same.
Speaker 1: Not everyone likes long haired.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who I do, long hair, yahoo guy, short hair woman,
Speaker 4: same short guy, fat woman, same cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we got to the bottom.
Speaker 4: Though it took me a second. I had to do
Speaker 4: the chart in my head, but I got there.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: I would love to know anyone who's listening's opinion if
Speaker 3: you send it to us, reflects some frooms. If you've
Speaker 3: got any other kind of paradigms on the top of
Speaker 3: your head. I find this stuff very interesting to figure out. Ah,
Speaker 3: what do I want to attract?
Speaker 4: As you say, I feel like there was something then
Speaker 4: this is why we allow ourselves time to unpack what
Speaker 4: the internet tells us, because on paper makes sense short,
Speaker 4: short yep, no wrong. If there's time to go back
Speaker 4: and give them our updated response, I would like to
Speaker 4: do that, but not a priority, because you know we
Speaker 4: have this platform.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on Flexie.
Speaker 3: It's not often that I say that I have a
Speaker 3: superpower or an enormous skill.
Speaker 4: You said it once before about what the car, being
Speaker 4: able to name any maker model of a car on
Speaker 4: an Australian road.
Speaker 3: Well, this is adjacent to that. I have been working
Speaker 3: on a theory and a practice for at least seven
Speaker 3: years now.
Speaker 1: Whoa even in the trenches.
Speaker 3: It started at university. I went to a place called
Speaker 3: r MIT in Melbourne. What'd you study advertising?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: Sellout. It's in the center of the city and the
Speaker 3: way to get there from the train station you've got
Speaker 3: to walk up Swanston Street, which is this enormous long street,
Speaker 3: five blocks, five big bots.
Speaker 1: The vibe of Swanston Street.
Speaker 3: It's very hectic. There's trams, bikes, corporate vibes. No, it's
Speaker 3: student vibes.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: It's the very middle of the city, and given the
Speaker 3: amount of foot traffic there is, you definitely have to
Speaker 3: be cautious of running into people. Okay, And so i'd
Speaker 3: all be everyone to be standing at the lights and
Speaker 3: it's time to go. You're facing a wall of people.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 3: I have a theory of how to cut through the
Speaker 3: wall and make literally every single person get out of my.
Speaker 4: Waist, spear tackle every single person. Literally, I'm doing this
Speaker 4: barred shoulders.
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 4: Because I get that, and I'm not a big walker,
Speaker 4: that's no surprise. And I'm just in the car whipping
Speaker 4: left right left, right left right. If I do have
Speaker 4: to cross a busy street, I just won't. I'll wait,
Speaker 4: or I'll do the side step sideset. But I don't
Speaker 4: enjoy it.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: It lacks decorum.
Speaker 3: See. I have quite a chiwaba type, bitey energy, and
Speaker 3: so if I see something that I want, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go for it. Yeah, and I want to get across
Speaker 3: the street without having to move for anybody, particularly men
Speaker 3: in suits, Okay, I have a particular gripe. You know,
Speaker 3: they usually take up more of the sidewalk, But that's
Speaker 3: neither here nor there. What I do is, okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna look at the camera. Let's say you're walking. People
Speaker 3: walk and they kind of look their eyes down on
Speaker 3: the ground where they're walking and just hoping to go
Speaker 3: out of the way.
Speaker 1: That's one technique.
Speaker 3: What you do is like, let's say the camera face,
Speaker 3: I look at the face, I look above it, and
Speaker 3: I walk with the eyesight just above the head. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and therefore they see that I know where I'm going,
Speaker 3: but I'm not acknowledging them, and therefore they get out
Speaker 3: of my way. This shoulder is so calculated it works
Speaker 3: every time. As I've gotten older, I've become a little
Speaker 3: more humble, so I don't do it as often.
Speaker 1: When do you pickn choose not to do it?
Speaker 4: And what is your If you're not looking above someone's
Speaker 4: head to bulldoze past them, what is your alternative?
Speaker 3: The alternative is to get out of people's way rather
Speaker 3: than fumble through it, saying I'll make an intentional look
Speaker 3: down at the ground right or left. Great, I do
Speaker 3: this in along the beach whatnot on the bond tighter,
Speaker 3: bron tea by.
Speaker 1: The bond tighter.
Speaker 3: So that is my skill is looking just just look
Speaker 3: above someone's head and just forge your head, shoulders back
Speaker 3: with a purposeful gait. Yeah, and everybody gets outyway.
Speaker 4: It really does work, though, because I've made the mistake
Speaker 4: on the rare occasion that I am on two feet
Speaker 4: of looking at someone to acknowledge that I know that
Speaker 4: you see me and I see you. Now you have
Speaker 4: to discern who's outa who's beta. Literally I I don't
Speaker 4: want to do that, not on my weekday, not on
Speaker 4: my off day.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that.
Speaker 4: And it gets uncomfortable if you anticipate being in somebody's way,
Speaker 4: because I think it's a numbers thing as well. If
Speaker 4: it's a group of three and you're one person to
Speaker 4: get out of their way, it's some big deal. You don't
Speaker 4: want to break up the group. The cute people are
Speaker 4: like sing singing and having a good time, it's not cute. However,
Speaker 4: if it's a one on one I think if you
Speaker 4: do the mutual get out of each other's way, that's good.
Speaker 4: But what often happens that you start doing that are
Speaker 4: we dancing.
Speaker 3: You gotta forge your head. There are my tips. I
Speaker 3: hope you use them and assert your dominance.
Speaker 1: That was good. I would just say, don't walk. But
Speaker 1: if that's contruption, you're listening to flex and frooms on Kita.
Speaker 1: The time has come. I have gone back to my ruits.
Speaker 3: What kind of roots?
Speaker 4: The scruits of who I am. I'm a creative grow
Speaker 4: I am crafty. I am very good at turning a
Speaker 4: little into a lot, as seen by my career, but
Speaker 4: also just generally all the crafts I do them, sewing, crocheting, knitting, painting,
Speaker 4: clay work, beating, jewelry, making, all of furniture, furniture.
Speaker 3: Dhy, all of it.
Speaker 1: That's my thing.
Speaker 2: Art making, TPO, digital art, collage, editing, videos, all things.
Speaker 2: But then I noticed, I would say, since COVID, I
Speaker 2: moved into a new apartment, and before that apartment, I
Speaker 2: lived in a whole house with a backyard and like
Speaker 2: room for my tools and a shed and all the
Speaker 2: things I needed to do crafting stuff. Then I downsized
Speaker 2: moved to an apartment and it just didn't feel like
Speaker 2: the right time, space or place to start anything. And
Speaker 2: even when living in that house, I felt like I
Speaker 2: was in limbo, like I wasn't really settled and I
Speaker 2: didn't unpack everything, and I was just like, I don't
Speaker 2: know where.
Speaker 1: To put thie.
Speaker 3: Body knew it wasn't the right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't right, and I was itching to go
Speaker 4: the moment I had finally moved in. And I think
Speaker 4: because by the time I found that house, it was
Speaker 4: it felt like a mirage, like the rental market was
Speaker 4: so terrible. By the time I saw it, I was like,
Speaker 4: this is it's an oasis. I just got to get
Speaker 4: it before it disappears. And I got and I was like,
Speaker 4: it's not five Now. I moved into my new place.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to build slowly get back into like finding
Speaker 4: my furniture on Facebook, marketplace upcycling it. But that's a
Speaker 4: really big undertaking. So I wanted to just use my
Speaker 4: hands and wean myself off TikTok and other digital stuff
Speaker 4: because this time last year I was averaging reading four
Speaker 4: books a week. But I can't go from frying my
Speaker 4: brain on TikTok just back to straight reading it and intermediary.
Speaker 4: So I've been making a lot of jewelry, made my
Speaker 4: jewelry today and made free me this bracelet fixed Brookies
Speaker 4: Ducky earrings, and it's been really fantastic because not only
Speaker 4: is it nice to conceptualize an idea and make it
Speaker 4: come to life, it's been really nice to use my
Speaker 4: fingers and like alchemize and create things. I'm thinking, imagine
Speaker 4: if I could spend half my time doing hobbies. I
Speaker 4: was talking to a friend I went to a party
Speaker 4: over the weekend and he had just been overseas for
Speaker 4: two months and had come back, and I was like,
Speaker 4: how do you feel? And he said, the only thing
Speaker 4: I can really recall now after being back for two
Speaker 4: weeks is how much I needed the time away to
Speaker 4: be creative. He said it he forgot that he wasn't
Speaker 4: being creative because he was surrounded by his creative things
Speaker 4: and his creative friends and his creative industry. That he
Speaker 4: was like, I hadn't come up with a good idea
Speaker 4: in ages, and I don't think I would have had
Speaker 4: I had had space away from just the monotony of
Speaker 4: everyday life, having to do the same things and not
Speaker 4: feeling like you want to start something new because not
Speaker 4: enough time, not enough space, not enough energy, not off this,
Speaker 4: not of that. It's like just do it or figure
Speaker 4: out what it's going to take for you to get
Speaker 4: back to that spot. Wow, Like I said, you were
Speaker 4: in a writing k hole the other day. How'd you
Speaker 4: get out of it? Yes, in a good way.
Speaker 3: I'm a writer and if I start writing and I'm
Speaker 3: on a little roll, nothing something from doing it. I
Speaker 3: don't need to eat, I don't want to talk to anybody.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go to sleep, which is unusual.
Speaker 3: These all things that I do. Yeah, and at a
Speaker 3: drop of a hat. Really, I'm busting to do all free,
Speaker 3: particularly eat, so I know when I'm in the zone,
Speaker 3: when I'm not thinking about dinner. It's amazing. It's so
Speaker 3: the zone. Zone, in the zone.
Speaker 1: I want to buy property in the zone.
Speaker 3: But for example, for me, I'm going to Europe and
Speaker 3: I got a toy up, Like, am I gonna do
Speaker 3: Instagram stories and I'm next that's part of my job?
Speaker 1: Or am I just clock clock off? You're gonna get
Speaker 1: there and start experiencing.
Speaker 4: I think for now the beating thing is fun because
Speaker 4: I don't I've made jory before. That was one of
Speaker 4: the first businesses I had, making wire jewelry. But now
Speaker 4: you know how I don't know if you know this feeling.
Speaker 4: When you are crafty, you spend a lot of time
Speaker 4: making things that are ugly just to like learn the skill.
Speaker 4: But now I'm trying to make really beautiful things that
Speaker 4: I would wear, and that's a really fun process.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you.
Speaker 1: Thanks fame flex and Froods Flexie.
Speaker 2: I'm a big Googler. You google everything same? Who does
Speaker 2: too many people?
Speaker 3: Really? Yes? Google Google a posts that from So I
Speaker 3: was googling Kendall Jenner and this came off the back
Speaker 3: of a segment we did last week in which we
Speaker 3: wondered if Kendall Jenner is jacking her style from a
Speaker 3: blue TikToker. Yep, it was inconclusive research.
Speaker 4: Here, but we like ideas, not conclusive answers anyway, so
Speaker 4: it's okay, we'll come back to it.
Speaker 3: This is true. So I googled Kendall Jenner and what
Speaker 3: I saw was a completely different Google homepage beautiful. So
Speaker 3: things are happening in Google. I'm not sure if you
Speaker 3: guys have noticed, but if you Google like someone's name,
Speaker 3: if they have a Wikipedia, the Wikipedia doesn't come up anymore.
Speaker 1: Abolish wiki.
Speaker 3: What comes up is on the right, it's a green
Speaker 3: little like tab that has videos of them and facts
Speaker 3: and information, and on the left side there's photos of
Speaker 3: them and then if you scroll down, it used to
Speaker 3: have you know, like random news things that come up,
Speaker 3: or like viral pieces the word verified. Now almost every
Speaker 3: piece that's on there is verified. They're either like articles
Speaker 3: about them or profiles like if you were to go
Speaker 3: Google yourself right now.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it looks a bit different on desktop,
Speaker 4: which is what I'm finding, because on my phone it
Speaker 4: kind of looks like the same old Google.
Speaker 3: Yes. However, for example, I google myself, Instagram, my manager,
Speaker 3: bio and then interview like my LinkedIn.
Speaker 4: Oh I see is different because if I type in flexmamy,
Speaker 4: it comes up with Lena Henken author hot and then
Speaker 4: like four key images.
Speaker 1: I know where they got those from their little bio.
Speaker 3: Okay, literally, it's quite nice, but it's also nice it's changing,
Speaker 3: and I don't like the Wikipedia is being cock blocked
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Do you like it when tech companies change?
Speaker 1: I love it. Here's my big thing.
Speaker 4: I don't think you know this about me, but I
Speaker 4: am a big gadget girl girl. I want changes at
Speaker 4: all times, The interface changes down different browsing experience into it.
Speaker 4: The font change is obsessed. I'm like, why is this happening?
Speaker 4: Because you have to imagine how many people had to
Speaker 4: green light that idea to You're like, yep, we are
Speaker 4: comfortable with changing this. Do it asap. Don't tell them,
Speaker 4: just launch it. And I'm like, is this soft launched?
Speaker 4: Is this hard launch? Is it just for mouth far better?
Speaker 1: Literally? And then I noticed I first noticed it on Gmail,
Speaker 1: actually because I'm in Gmail quite quite frequently. I said,
Speaker 1: why am I getting so many curves? Gmail?
Speaker 4: The browser experience is very hard, blocky angular. Suddenly we're
Speaker 4: getting curves, bubbles, rounded text. I said, okay, are you
Speaker 4: trying to make emails fun? That feels strategic? Oh, I
Speaker 4: love that.
Speaker 1: Let's google one more person so I can see what
Speaker 1: the vibe that we're getting is. Oh, let's google. We're
Speaker 1: already talking Ron Patinson. Sorry, okay, but see this looks
Speaker 1: similar to the old one.
Speaker 4: But I think it's because he has a wiki and
Speaker 4: mine was a reference from a website. I want to
Speaker 4: get a wiki, but apparently it's a really hard process.
Speaker 4: And if you apply for your wiki and it's not
Speaker 4: done to the standards that it should be. Basically, what
Speaker 4: happens is all the information that's put in your wiki
Speaker 4: needs to be verified by a credible source of some sorts.
Speaker 4: If you can't reference or cite the source and you
Speaker 4: can't have it in the wiki. So when you submit
Speaker 4: you're wiki, everything needs to be cited and sourced. Otherwise
Speaker 4: you're banned from creating Wikipedia pages in future. So you
Speaker 4: can't really get it wrong. Okay, yes, I love this.
Speaker 4: So Google's like, hey, we're here for information, not fake news.
Speaker 1: I get it. They don't want to be canceled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess we'll see how this what ramifications this
Speaker 3: has for little news sites aren't reputable. There you go.
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