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<v Speaker 1>The Flex and Rooms Daily.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Mancherie, Happy Monday. It's Flexing f Rooms the catch

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<v Speaker 3>up podcast and I really like this podcast. The bit

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<v Speaker 3>that we're going in depth about is influencers. Lil is

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<v Speaker 3>a self identifying influencer. I'd say I am influencer adjacent.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can take the content creator.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate content creator really so reductive. Yeah, I hope

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<v Speaker 3>that we get to a point where we think of

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<v Speaker 3>another name for content. I know that's a bit nitpicky,

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<v Speaker 3>but the.

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<v Speaker 1>Full set producer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess it is what it is. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>but before content was considered content, it was content that

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<v Speaker 3>was like stuff you put in your glove box.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the content person, which is.

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<v Speaker 3>What content should be? Such dime. It doesn't. But we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to be talking about influencers that edit their photos

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<v Speaker 3>and the intricacies of that. Apparently in Sweden there is

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<v Speaker 3>a law, was it Norway?

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<v Speaker 4>Norway and the UK they're proposing a bill to have

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<v Speaker 4>influencers who edit their images to no, not edit their images.

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<v Speaker 4>We're called talking digitally alter your body in paid posts.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to disclose that in writing in a clear

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<v Speaker 4>spot for everybody to see it did an effort to

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<v Speaker 4>tackle body dysmorphia. Because the stats are statsing and it's

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<v Speaker 4>not looking good.

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<v Speaker 3>Breathorry, not at all. All right, let's get into.

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<v Speaker 1>It, flex and firds.

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<v Speaker 4>What kind of world do we live in where a

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<v Speaker 4>billionaire doesn't want it to be known? Nicki Minaj posted

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<v Speaker 4>a video of her getting onto this huge plane. Huge

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<v Speaker 4>I don't even know, Like it wasn't a Boweing seven

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<v Speaker 4>or seven, but for a private plane, private jet. It

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<v Speaker 4>was beefy. As she's filming this private plane, she says,

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<v Speaker 4>and I quote, this is what happens when you got

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<v Speaker 4>a rich I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, a very rich, rich, rich, rich.

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<v Speaker 4>Canadian friend who was the only billionaire I know that

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't want people to know he's a billionaire.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it.

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<v Speaker 4>But all right, presumably going on to Drake's jet, he

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<v Speaker 4>has a couple, naturally, But it makes sense that.

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<v Speaker 1>Drake would be a billionaire. But why would he want

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<v Speaker 1>to hide it? Oh? You know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you have a theory?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like, I don't think he's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be relatable.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it serves him negatively for that to

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<v Speaker 4>be a fact. But I was also thinking well, of

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<v Speaker 4>course he's a billionaire because he signed a Sony deal

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<v Speaker 4>for two albums for four hundred million. And that's the

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<v Speaker 4>speculation as to why he dropped him so quickly, just

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<v Speaker 4>to get in and out of the deal, because he

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<v Speaker 4>can do two albums easy one last year won this

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<v Speaker 4>year eleven months in between they both bop. Secret Drake fan,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'm hopeful. Okay, So there's that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>why he wouldn't admit it. Producer Brook thinks that Drake

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<v Speaker 4>is hiding his wealth so he'san to pay child support,

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<v Speaker 4>which is a possibility, but still, you know, your wealth

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<v Speaker 4>is well documented.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not getting out of the alimony payments.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, I wonder he's very much a soft boy, isn't he. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's gotten a bit more horny lately, like when he

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<v Speaker 3>air dropped. That's with age though, Yeah, yes, no shame.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any theories.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we don't even know if I'm assuming it was Drake,

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<v Speaker 4>because who else could she be talking about so candidly.

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<v Speaker 4>Canadian friend, very very rich, doesn't want you to know,

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<v Speaker 4>and they're very good friends, right, very good friends, very

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<v Speaker 4>good friends. When I have a good theory, I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 4>on Reddit to peculate some stuff and I'll come back

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<v Speaker 4>to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, Nicki Minaj be the first female rapper to make

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<v Speaker 3>so many plays on a song as super Freaky Girl.

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<v Speaker 3>What So? Last week, Kaita wrote super Freaky Girl owns

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest debut for a solo female rap song in

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<v Speaker 3>Spotify history.

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<v Speaker 2>WHOA.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what that means, but I'm here for it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have listened to her five times.

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<v Speaker 1>This song you really like? I love it?

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<v Speaker 4>Flex and every now and then and we bring you

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<v Speaker 4>the most interesting news I think the Internet has to

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<v Speaker 4>ofk I like to keep us informed. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>know if you think there should be a label warning

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<v Speaker 4>on Instagram post to let you know when influencers have

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<v Speaker 4>digitally altered their body.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard yes, hard no, go hard no so.

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<v Speaker 4>Last year, Norway made it illegal in an effort to

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<v Speaker 4>tackle body dysmorphia on a wide scale. So there were

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<v Speaker 4>amendments to their two thousand and nine Marketing Acts to

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<v Speaker 4>make it illegal for influencers to share retouched photos of

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<v Speaker 4>their body in promotional posts on social media without acknowledging

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<v Speaker 4>that the image had been edited.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you can do it.

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<v Speaker 4>But you've got to say, hey, slimmed up the arm

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit, you know, made the feet a little smaller.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, kin kot ashition does this thing where she

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<v Speaker 4>reduces the visibility of her traps.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a thing she does. Yeah, right, so that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this year, a year later, the UK is following

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<v Speaker 4>suit and they've just put forward a bill for something similar.

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<v Speaker 1>They said.

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<v Speaker 4>From April to October twenty twenty one, the NHS saw

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<v Speaker 4>hospital of Mimisis for anorexia, bolimia and eating disorders in

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<v Speaker 4>young people age seventeen and under rows by forty one percent.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, it's not a game anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, we can't just ignore it and assume that people

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<v Speaker 4>will build healthy habits or they'll find their way to

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<v Speaker 4>alternative ways to manage what they're going through. And so

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<v Speaker 4>they largely believe that the pandemic has pushed our lives

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<v Speaker 4>and interactions too far onto social media where people can't

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<v Speaker 4>discern between you know, they don't have time to step

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<v Speaker 4>back or step away from what's pushing them further into

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<v Speaker 4>this way of thinking. Broadly speaking, people are on board

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<v Speaker 4>with it. They say, yeah, this is good that the

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<v Speaker 4>government is taking more initiative to understanding what's impacting young

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<v Speaker 4>people and proposing bills that make everybody responsible for how

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<v Speaker 4>this impacts young people. However, there is criticism. They say,

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<v Speaker 4>first of all, yes, Norway has implemented this, but not

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<v Speaker 4>all Norwegians follow Norwegian people. So if your Instagram following

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<v Speaker 4>is majority international people, then you are not going to

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<v Speaker 4>see them disclosing when they have or have not been edited.

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<v Speaker 4>And what are the odds that you follow predominantly Norwegian people.

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<v Speaker 4>I know on my social media timelines it's full of Americans. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like it's very americanized.

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<v Speaker 3>We get the like often people from Texas say I'm

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<v Speaker 3>listening from Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>You just want to be like, yeah, me too, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you King, and thank you. So that's a big consideration.

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<v Speaker 4>And then also the bill specifically focuses on paid posts. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>of what content creators and influencers are posting, we could

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<v Speaker 4>say that we're being generous half of its pay posts. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>let's say we're being generous. If the other half is

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<v Speaker 4>organic reels and tiktoks and stories and snapchats and whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>it can kind of sneak through the cracks and so

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<v Speaker 4>it makes people question, you know, is this really the

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<v Speaker 4>solution that they're hoping for, and will this change result

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<v Speaker 4>in the forward progress that they're hoping for in the

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<v Speaker 4>same way, is this change going to reach the people

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<v Speaker 4>it needs to? So I think the conversations are happening

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<v Speaker 4>in a very millennial space, like oh, the Internet's changing

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<v Speaker 4>so much, and I think like under seventeen year olds

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<v Speaker 4>are just doing what they do normally and being like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't see that on the news because I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>read the news.

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<v Speaker 3>You make such a good point about the fact that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people can't step back from media. I

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<v Speaker 3>think something that maybe people don't consider is that we

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<v Speaker 3>live in media now. Previously, media was like an offshoot

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<v Speaker 3>of our life. For example, I studied media university as

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<v Speaker 3>part of my course, and it was very much different

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<v Speaker 3>to life. Yes, Facebook, you had to Instagram, which is

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<v Speaker 3>like a little companion. Whereas now we are media. We

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<v Speaker 3>are we are all media. We create ourselves to be consumed.

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<v Speaker 4>Or even or The people who are impacted the most

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<v Speaker 4>by media is because they live on the media.

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<v Speaker 1>They live in it.

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<v Speaker 3>They are feeding on it like bacti bacteria in a kombucha.

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<v Speaker 1>Scoby Queen Slay Scobi Scoby deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's unfair for these predominantly young women because

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<v Speaker 3>most influencers that make a lot of money of women

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<v Speaker 3>are being I guess, disadvantaged by having to put it

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<v Speaker 3>out there because magazines don't have to and they're the

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<v Speaker 3>original harbors of like body insecurity. I also think it

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<v Speaker 3>proves that there is a misunderstanding of what body dysmorphia is.

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<v Speaker 3>You can have all types of body dysmorphia. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>necessarily about being thin or like. It's not necessarily let's

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<v Speaker 3>say a lot of the influencers have a single ideal

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<v Speaker 3>that they're going for. You might have body dysmorphia that's

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<v Speaker 3>completely unrelated to that. Like let's say you have a

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<v Speaker 3>really small nose and you wish you out a really

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<v Speaker 3>big nose.

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<v Speaker 1>All that women.

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<v Speaker 4>We spoke about a couple of weeks ago who had

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<v Speaker 4>this deep insecurity of having a voice that was too

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<v Speaker 4>high pitched.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so she got it surgically lowered.

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<v Speaker 3>Facts crazy like this is not something that comes out

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<v Speaker 3>of social media. It's a mental illness. A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>people don't understand things like body dysmorphia. It's not a

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<v Speaker 3>vanity thing. It's not something that you get from looking

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<v Speaker 3>at an Instagram post that's clearly edited. It's something deeper

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<v Speaker 3>than that. I also think that we're literate about things

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<v Speaker 3>that are edited. I think it's quite obvious now, and

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<v Speaker 3>especially to the younger generation who have grown up with

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<v Speaker 3>photo editing and it being so easy to do, like

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<v Speaker 3>face tune and stuff. You can tell it from a

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<v Speaker 3>mile away, and I'm old, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't disclose that. Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about that in another segment about

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<v Speaker 3>millennial Internet versus gen x Internet. And I do also

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<v Speaker 3>wonder about you always say correlation versus causation. It's probably

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to talk about the hospitalizations for anorexia and other

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<v Speaker 3>eating disorders. I think the pandemic has played some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of role that we won't be aware of until a

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<v Speaker 3>lot later. And just because it didn't happen in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty when it was like popping off, I know it

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<v Speaker 3>would have exacerbated a lot of eating disorders in Australia

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<v Speaker 3>like a crazy amount.

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<v Speaker 4>I always think it's interesting when and where and how

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<v Speaker 4>big media bodies the government chooses to step in on

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<v Speaker 4>behalf of the disenfranchised, like this feels like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 4>know you.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys cared like that since when? And interestingly enough, what

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<v Speaker 1>it takes.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Scandinavian countries have been touted as being quite progressive,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's not unusual for them, But in the UK,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very surprised that this is like first cap of

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<v Speaker 4>the rank, like, this is what we're going to tackle.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that a lot of the legislation in the

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<v Speaker 4>influencer community is so surface based and not actually tackling

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<v Speaker 4>the fundamental issue of the fact that we live, Like

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<v Speaker 4>what is being done is contrived and for the purpose

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<v Speaker 4>of selling stuffs, and so like, let's make it not

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<v Speaker 4>harder to sell stuff, but put more regulations on how

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<v Speaker 4>that's done. Because this is targeting specifically paid posts. So

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<v Speaker 4>then where is the brand's responsibility in hiring these people

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<v Speaker 4>or the clients all the agencies, Like, don't they have

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<v Speaker 4>a duty of care as well? Should there be instead

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<v Speaker 4>of having to disclose once the post has gone live?

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<v Speaker 4>Should there be an agreement within doing the content where

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, we don't accept images that have been altered

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<v Speaker 4>in any capacity before you even agree to sign on.

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<v Speaker 4>Keeps making individuals the face of a broader problem. So

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<v Speaker 4>the next time you see one individual person disclosed that yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>they face you in their arm, You're like, oh, well great,

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<v Speaker 4>that person's insecure, and now they're making me insecure, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, no, no, this is a greater issue where

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<v Speaker 4>we feel or where people feel as though they have

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<v Speaker 4>to digitally older their bodies in order to sell you

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<v Speaker 4>stuff to be perceived as more appealing. I often think

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<v Speaker 4>that you mentioned that we are literate in seeing when

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<v Speaker 4>things are altered or not. People always think, I face

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<v Speaker 4>you in my face.

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<v Speaker 1>Baby just looks like this.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so new.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, mm hmmm, mm hmm, it is. And they're

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<v Speaker 4>looking for the like, oh, don't worry, it's just or

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<v Speaker 4>like the admission. They're like, it doesn't actually look like this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, nobody does. So it goes both ways in

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<v Speaker 4>the sense that somebody is waiting for me to say, like,

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<v Speaker 4>don't feel insecure, this is not the real meat, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh, you got it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the wrong way.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing with a princess apprentcess.

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<v Speaker 4>And alternatively, you have creators like Tanamojo. I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 4>if you're familiar with her, but she is a YouTube

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<v Speaker 4>story time teller turned TikToker celebrity. I was saying, Tanamojo.

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<v Speaker 4>She definitely like the Charlie Demilio Addison ray before they

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<v Speaker 4>were that version on YouTube. There we go, and so

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<v Speaker 4>she is the queen of face tune. She says it herself,

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<v Speaker 4>so I will not post it. Will not post an

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<v Speaker 4>image of myself that's not face tuned. She will if

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<v Speaker 4>friends are posting images of her. She was like, she says,

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<v Speaker 4>let me take it, do my little edit, send it back.

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<v Speaker 3>Amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>And she's candid about it in a way that is

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<v Speaker 4>refreshing but also really counterintuitive. Because everything is so face tuned,

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<v Speaker 4>you forget that she doesn't actually look like that look

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<v Speaker 4>that way, Like I look at her and I'm like, damn,

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<v Speaker 4>she's like looking snatched. And then you see a video

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<v Speaker 4>of her You're like, oh, wait, no, she got me.

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<v Speaker 1>I should know that. Why didn't I know that? So

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if this is a solution, but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>interested to see what becomes of this. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 4>if we're gonna make the industry more regulated, let's start

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<v Speaker 4>from like the girl, not the final product.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, like, get public liability insurance if you're an influencer

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<v Speaker 3>and this is going to come to Australia and throw

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<v Speaker 3>it back on the brand. We know our parameters. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we're no our legality.

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<v Speaker 1>Just an influencer union, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>For real, because the media Union is incredible. If you

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<v Speaker 3>work in the media and you're listening to this, join

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<v Speaker 3>not financial or.

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<v Speaker 1>Career advice, but just check it out.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like this segment. FLEXI. There's more to be said.

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<v Speaker 3>There's always more to be said, babe, but it's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>They're even sparking conversations. So often people spark conversations. I

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<v Speaker 3>think often about Dove no shade but their whole like

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<v Speaker 3>like com beautied every size eye that time they like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm photoshop to that chick to show like how much

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<v Speaker 3>photoshop media companies do do. It's like twenty two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and seven. It made this enormous like uproar about it

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<v Speaker 3>because it's incredible, like showing women that are a size

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<v Speaker 3>ten on a billboard, which actually was actually quite incredible

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<v Speaker 3>time at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is flex and frooms on k I'm flex.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm into beating vampires, fantasy books, talking about abstract things

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<v Speaker 4>and not getting to the point quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm into baking sweet treats, cupcakes and whatnot. I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to bring them into the emphastics. Did savory No, I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't cooked. I haven't cooked a savory meal in about

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<v Speaker 3>three weeks. Damn. I've been eating prepackaged meals like a

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<v Speaker 3>little heathen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like you.

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<v Speaker 3>I like rollbaiting also haven't done that in a while,

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<v Speaker 3>and watching TV, most specifically Binge, Amazon, Yeah, etcetera. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>I also have short hair right now, no currently wearing

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<v Speaker 3>a wig because I'm like experimenting with other styles. You

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<v Speaker 3>and I have a similar phenomenon that happened to us,

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<v Speaker 3>which is when we are miss mischaracterized, mischaracterized as lesbians. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not a lesbian. No, I'm not a lesbian. No,

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<v Speaker 3>up for discussion for now, for now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, at this point, as of August twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 4>not lesbians could change, could change.

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<v Speaker 3>I was reading this article on Cora, which we talked

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<v Speaker 3>about earlier. This is like readit where you ask a

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<v Speaker 3>question and people give you advice, but it's frequented by

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen year olds, so you can find all kinds of questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, yeah, my Cora is like sixty year olds.

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<v Speaker 3>Mi Cora is like, how to keep your interest.

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<v Speaker 1>As toys or something?

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<v Speaker 2>Toys and entertainment, I said, philosophy, I said relationship problems.

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<v Speaker 2>I read this question being like, what what do you

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<v Speaker 2>find attractive in a woman?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you not find attractive?

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<v Speaker 1>Got it?

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<v Speaker 3>And a lot of them were like long hair, but

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<v Speaker 3>teat body, toned, nice, sweet, laugh at my jokes. And

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<v Speaker 3>on a lot of the no lists were women with

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<v Speaker 3>short hair, and I said, my people. Then I went

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<v Speaker 3>on to a woman and what a woman likes in

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<v Speaker 3>a woman? Okay, yeah, to flip the script and see, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well what are women saying? And this one woman said

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<v Speaker 3>tastes She said she likes women with short hair, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is her quote. Refusing to date a woman with

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<v Speaker 3>short hair is the male version of a woman refusing

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<v Speaker 3>to date a short man. So my question is whoa

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<v Speaker 3>a woman with short hair disadvantage the same as short

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<v Speaker 3>men in dating?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you need to call a man? Is that all

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<v Speaker 1>we need to do?

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<v Speaker 4>Because when I think about like short hair, I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's really attractive on women. I love a little short

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<v Speaker 4>bumb I do love a bald woman me too. I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't think of long hair. I think a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>hairstylesfo I even got to long hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I guess that's your personal style. Like you

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<v Speaker 3>you wear long hair, but like, yeah, your personal style

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<v Speaker 3>is quite quirky. I do sometimes think if I were

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<v Speaker 3>a man, what would I like? And I think I'd

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<v Speaker 3>want long hair and a woman oh, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>bit confusing. That is confusing. I guess the only difference

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<v Speaker 3>is if you've got short hair, you can usually grow it,

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<v Speaker 3>whereas our short kings give my heels.

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<v Speaker 4>Is a short man the equivalent of a woman with

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<v Speaker 4>short hair? No, no, because you can't do much disguise height.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just like what height you are is what height

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<v Speaker 4>you are, unless you're thirteen expecting a growth bert so like.

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<v Speaker 4>But with your hair, we all knows as seen by

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<v Speaker 4>you today, you can transform your hair in a second.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an afterthow do want long haired day? Short haired day?

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<v Speaker 4>You can present yourself in a way that is more

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<v Speaker 4>or less attractive depending on your hair, depending on who

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<v Speaker 4>you know's gonna vibe with that, haven't you that TikTok trend?

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<v Speaker 4>These girls will there are a few videos, but basically

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<v Speaker 4>these girls will talk about what kind of people they

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<v Speaker 4>attract based on what hair style they have. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>when I had shorter hair, I tracked this kind of guy,

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<v Speaker 4>when I wore my hair on an afro. I tracked

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of guy when I was blonde. I tracked

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of guy when I was brunette.

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<v Speaker 1>La la la.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you see a difference.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes and no, but it's not We can't get into

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<v Speaker 4>that right now. I want to go back to this

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<v Speaker 4>short short king, long hair, short hair paradigm. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think they're equally yoked. I don't think they're equally discriminated either.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's like short guy, fat woman, not short guy,

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<v Speaker 4>short hair. I think it'd be long hair, short hair,

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<v Speaker 4>long haired guy, short haired woman's that is the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone likes long haired.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, who I do, long hair, yahoo guy, short hair woman,

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<v Speaker 4>same short guy, fat woman, same cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad we got to the bottom.

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<v Speaker 4>Though it took me a second. I had to do

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<v Speaker 4>the chart in my head, but I got there.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to know anyone who's listening's opinion if

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<v Speaker 3>you send it to us, reflects some frooms. If you've

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<v Speaker 3>got any other kind of paradigms on the top of

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<v Speaker 3>your head. I find this stuff very interesting to figure out. Ah,

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<v Speaker 3>what do I want to attract?

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<v Speaker 4>As you say, I feel like there was something then

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<v Speaker 4>this is why we allow ourselves time to unpack what

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<v Speaker 4>the internet tells us, because on paper makes sense short,

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<v Speaker 4>short yep, no wrong. If there's time to go back

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<v Speaker 4>and give them our updated response, I would like to

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<v Speaker 4>do that, but not a priority, because you know we

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<v Speaker 4>have this platform.

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<v Speaker 1>This is flex and frooms on Flexie.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not often that I say that I have a

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<v Speaker 3>superpower or an enormous skill.

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<v Speaker 4>You said it once before about what the car, being

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<v Speaker 4>able to name any maker model of a car on

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<v Speaker 4>an Australian road.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this is adjacent to that. I have been working

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<v Speaker 3>on a theory and a practice for at least seven

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<v Speaker 3>years now.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa even in the trenches.

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<v Speaker 3>It started at university. I went to a place called

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<v Speaker 3>r MIT in Melbourne. What'd you study advertising?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Sellout. It's in the center of the city and the

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<v Speaker 3>way to get there from the train station you've got

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<v Speaker 3>to walk up Swanston Street, which is this enormous long street,

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<v Speaker 3>five blocks, five big bots.

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<v Speaker 1>The vibe of Swanston Street.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very hectic. There's trams, bikes, corporate vibes. No, it's

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<v Speaker 3>student vibes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the very middle of the city, and given the

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<v Speaker 3>amount of foot traffic there is, you definitely have to

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<v Speaker 3>be cautious of running into people. Okay, And so i'd

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<v Speaker 3>all be everyone to be standing at the lights and

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<v Speaker 3>it's time to go. You're facing a wall of people.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 3>I have a theory of how to cut through the

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<v Speaker 3>wall and make literally every single person get out of my.

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<v Speaker 4>Waist, spear tackle every single person. Literally, I'm doing this

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<v Speaker 4>barred shoulders.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I get that, and I'm not a big walker,

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<v Speaker 4>that's no surprise. And I'm just in the car whipping

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<v Speaker 4>left right left, right left right. If I do have

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<v Speaker 4>to cross a busy street, I just won't. I'll wait,

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<v Speaker 4>or I'll do the side step sideset. But I don't

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It lacks decorum.

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<v Speaker 3>See. I have quite a chiwaba type, bitey energy, and

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<v Speaker 3>so if I see something that I want, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>go for it. Yeah, and I want to get across

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<v Speaker 3>the street without having to move for anybody, particularly men

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<v Speaker 3>in suits, Okay, I have a particular gripe. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they usually take up more of the sidewalk, But that's

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<v Speaker 3>neither here nor there. What I do is, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>gonna look at the camera. Let's say you're walking. People

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<v Speaker 3>walk and they kind of look their eyes down on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground where they're walking and just hoping to go

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<v Speaker 3>out of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one technique.

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<v Speaker 3>What you do is like, let's say the camera face,

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<v Speaker 3>I look at the face, I look above it, and

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<v Speaker 3>I walk with the eyesight just above the head. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and therefore they see that I know where I'm going,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm not acknowledging them, and therefore they get out

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<v Speaker 3>of my way. This shoulder is so calculated it works

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<v Speaker 3>every time. As I've gotten older, I've become a little

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<v Speaker 3>more humble, so I don't do it as often.

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<v Speaker 1>When do you pickn choose not to do it?

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<v Speaker 4>And what is your If you're not looking above someone's

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<v Speaker 4>head to bulldoze past them, what is your alternative?

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<v Speaker 3>The alternative is to get out of people's way rather

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<v Speaker 3>than fumble through it, saying I'll make an intentional look

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<v Speaker 3>down at the ground right or left. Great, I do

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<v Speaker 3>this in along the beach whatnot on the bond tighter,

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<v Speaker 3>bron tea by.

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<v Speaker 1>The bond tighter.

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<v Speaker 3>So that is my skill is looking just just look

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<v Speaker 3>above someone's head and just forge your head, shoulders back

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<v Speaker 3>with a purposeful gait. Yeah, and everybody gets outyway.

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<v Speaker 4>It really does work, though, because I've made the mistake

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<v Speaker 4>on the rare occasion that I am on two feet

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<v Speaker 4>of looking at someone to acknowledge that I know that

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<v Speaker 4>you see me and I see you. Now you have

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<v Speaker 4>to discern who's outa who's beta. Literally I I don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to do that, not on my weekday, not on

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<v Speaker 4>my off day.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>And it gets uncomfortable if you anticipate being in somebody's way,

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<v Speaker 4>because I think it's a numbers thing as well. If

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<v Speaker 4>it's a group of three and you're one person to

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<v Speaker 4>get out of their way, it's some big deal. You don't

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<v Speaker 4>want to break up the group. The cute people are

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<v Speaker 4>like sing singing and having a good time, it's not cute. However,

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<v Speaker 4>if it's a one on one I think if you

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<v Speaker 4>do the mutual get out of each other's way, that's good.

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<v Speaker 4>But what often happens that you start doing that are

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<v Speaker 4>we dancing.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta forge your head. There are my tips. I

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<v Speaker 3>hope you use them and assert your dominance.

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<v Speaker 1>That was good. I would just say, don't walk. But

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<v Speaker 1>if that's contruption, you're listening to flex and frooms on Kita.

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<v Speaker 1>The time has come. I have gone back to my ruits.

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<v Speaker 3>What kind of roots?

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<v Speaker 4>The scruits of who I am. I'm a creative grow

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<v Speaker 4>I am crafty. I am very good at turning a

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<v Speaker 4>little into a lot, as seen by my career, but

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<v Speaker 4>also just generally all the crafts I do them, sewing, crocheting, knitting, painting,

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<v Speaker 4>clay work, beating, jewelry, making, all of furniture, furniture.

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<v Speaker 3>Dhy, all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Art making, TPO, digital art, collage, editing, videos, all things.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I noticed, I would say, since COVID, I

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<v Speaker 2>moved into a new apartment, and before that apartment, I

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<v Speaker 2>lived in a whole house with a backyard and like

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<v Speaker 2>room for my tools and a shed and all the

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<v Speaker 2>things I needed to do crafting stuff. Then I downsized

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<v Speaker 2>moved to an apartment and it just didn't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>the right time, space or place to start anything. And

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<v Speaker 2>even when living in that house, I felt like I

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<v Speaker 2>was in limbo, like I wasn't really settled and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't unpack everything, and I was just like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where.

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<v Speaker 1>To put thie.

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<v Speaker 3>Body knew it wasn't the right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it wasn't right, and I was itching to go

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<v Speaker 4>the moment I had finally moved in. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>because by the time I found that house, it was

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<v Speaker 4>it felt like a mirage, like the rental market was

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<v Speaker 4>so terrible. By the time I saw it, I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is it's an oasis. I just got to get

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<v Speaker 4>it before it disappears. And I got and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not five Now. I moved into my new place.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to build slowly get back into like finding

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<v Speaker 4>my furniture on Facebook, marketplace upcycling it. But that's a

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<v Speaker 4>really big undertaking. So I wanted to just use my

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<v Speaker 4>hands and wean myself off TikTok and other digital stuff

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<v Speaker 4>because this time last year I was averaging reading four

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<v Speaker 4>books a week. But I can't go from frying my

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<v Speaker 4>brain on TikTok just back to straight reading it and intermediary.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've been making a lot of jewelry, made my

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<v Speaker 4>jewelry today and made free me this bracelet fixed Brookies

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<v Speaker 4>Ducky earrings, and it's been really fantastic because not only

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<v Speaker 4>is it nice to conceptualize an idea and make it

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<v Speaker 4>come to life, it's been really nice to use my

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<v Speaker 4>fingers and like alchemize and create things. I'm thinking, imagine

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<v Speaker 4>if I could spend half my time doing hobbies. I

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<v Speaker 4>was talking to a friend I went to a party

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<v Speaker 4>over the weekend and he had just been overseas for

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<v Speaker 4>two months and had come back, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>how do you feel? And he said, the only thing

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<v Speaker 4>I can really recall now after being back for two

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<v Speaker 4>weeks is how much I needed the time away to

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<v Speaker 4>be creative. He said it he forgot that he wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>being creative because he was surrounded by his creative things

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<v Speaker 4>and his creative friends and his creative industry. That he

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<v Speaker 4>was like, I hadn't come up with a good idea

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<v Speaker 4>in ages, and I don't think I would have had

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<v Speaker 4>I had had space away from just the monotony of

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<v Speaker 4>everyday life, having to do the same things and not

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<v Speaker 4>feeling like you want to start something new because not

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<v Speaker 4>enough time, not enough space, not enough energy, not off this,

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<v Speaker 4>not of that. It's like just do it or figure

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<v Speaker 4>out what it's going to take for you to get

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<v Speaker 4>back to that spot. Wow, Like I said, you were

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<v Speaker 4>in a writing k hole the other day. How'd you

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<v Speaker 4>get out of it? Yes, in a good way.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a writer and if I start writing and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>on a little roll, nothing something from doing it. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't need to eat, I don't want to talk to anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to go to sleep, which is unusual.

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<v Speaker 3>These all things that I do. Yeah, and at a

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<v Speaker 3>drop of a hat. Really, I'm busting to do all free,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly eat, so I know when I'm in the zone,

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<v Speaker 3>when I'm not thinking about dinner. It's amazing. It's so

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<v Speaker 3>the zone. Zone, in the zone.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to buy property in the zone.

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<v Speaker 3>But for example, for me, I'm going to Europe and

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<v Speaker 3>I got a toy up, Like, am I gonna do

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram stories and I'm next that's part of my job?

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<v Speaker 1>Or am I just clock clock off? You're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>there and start experiencing.

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<v Speaker 4>I think for now the beating thing is fun because

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I've made jory before. That was one of

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<v Speaker 4>the first businesses I had, making wire jewelry. But now

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<v Speaker 4>you know how I don't know if you know this feeling.

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<v Speaker 4>When you are crafty, you spend a lot of time

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<v Speaker 4>making things that are ugly just to like learn the skill.

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<v Speaker 4>But now I'm trying to make really beautiful things that

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<v Speaker 4>I would wear, and that's a really fun process.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm proud of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks fame flex and Froods Flexie.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big Googler. You google everything same? Who does

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<v Speaker 2>too many people?

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<v Speaker 3>Really? Yes? Google Google a posts that from So I

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<v Speaker 3>was googling Kendall Jenner and this came off the back

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<v Speaker 3>of a segment we did last week in which we

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<v Speaker 3>wondered if Kendall Jenner is jacking her style from a

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<v Speaker 3>blue TikToker. Yep, it was inconclusive research.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, but we like ideas, not conclusive answers anyway, so

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<v Speaker 4>it's okay, we'll come back to it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is true. So I googled Kendall Jenner and what

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<v Speaker 3>I saw was a completely different Google homepage beautiful. So

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<v Speaker 3>things are happening in Google. I'm not sure if you

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<v Speaker 3>guys have noticed, but if you Google like someone's name,

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<v Speaker 3>if they have a Wikipedia, the Wikipedia doesn't come up anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Abolish wiki.

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<v Speaker 3>What comes up is on the right, it's a green

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<v Speaker 3>little like tab that has videos of them and facts

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<v Speaker 3>and information, and on the left side there's photos of

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<v Speaker 3>them and then if you scroll down, it used to

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<v Speaker 3>have you know, like random news things that come up,

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<v Speaker 3>or like viral pieces the word verified. Now almost every

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<v Speaker 3>piece that's on there is verified. They're either like articles

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<v Speaker 3>about them or profiles like if you were to go

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<v Speaker 3>Google yourself right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think it looks a bit different on desktop,

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<v Speaker 4>which is what I'm finding, because on my phone it

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<v Speaker 4>kind of looks like the same old Google.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. However, for example, I google myself, Instagram, my manager,

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<v Speaker 3>bio and then interview like my LinkedIn.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh I see is different because if I type in flexmamy,

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<v Speaker 4>it comes up with Lena Henken author hot and then

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<v Speaker 4>like four key images.

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<v Speaker 1>I know where they got those from their little bio.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, literally, it's quite nice, but it's also nice it's changing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I don't like the Wikipedia is being cock blocked

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's yeah, it's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you like it when tech companies change?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Here's my big thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think you know this about me, but I

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<v Speaker 4>am a big gadget girl girl. I want changes at

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<v Speaker 4>all times, The interface changes down different browsing experience into it.

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<v Speaker 4>The font change is obsessed. I'm like, why is this happening?

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<v Speaker 4>Because you have to imagine how many people had to

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<v Speaker 4>green light that idea to You're like, yep, we are

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<v Speaker 4>comfortable with changing this. Do it asap. Don't tell them,

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<v Speaker 4>just launch it. And I'm like, is this soft launched?

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<v Speaker 4>Is this hard launch? Is it just for mouth far better?

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<v Speaker 1>Literally? And then I noticed I first noticed it on Gmail,

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<v Speaker 1>actually because I'm in Gmail quite quite frequently. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>why am I getting so many curves? Gmail?

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<v Speaker 4>The browser experience is very hard, blocky angular. Suddenly we're

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<v Speaker 4>getting curves, bubbles, rounded text. I said, okay, are you

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<v Speaker 4>trying to make emails fun? That feels strategic? Oh, I

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<v Speaker 4>love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's google one more person so I can see what

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<v Speaker 1>the vibe that we're getting is. Oh, let's google. We're

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<v Speaker 1>already talking Ron Patinson. Sorry, okay, but see this looks

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<v Speaker 1>similar to the old one.

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<v Speaker 4>But I think it's because he has a wiki and

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<v Speaker 4>mine was a reference from a website. I want to

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<v Speaker 4>get a wiki, but apparently it's a really hard process.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you apply for your wiki and it's not

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<v Speaker 4>done to the standards that it should be. Basically, what

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<v Speaker 4>happens is all the information that's put in your wiki

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<v Speaker 4>needs to be verified by a credible source of some sorts.

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<v Speaker 4>If you can't reference or cite the source and you

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<v Speaker 4>can't have it in the wiki. So when you submit

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<v Speaker 4>you're wiki, everything needs to be cited and sourced. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 4>you're banned from creating Wikipedia pages in future. So you

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<v Speaker 4>can't really get it wrong. Okay, yes, I love this.

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<v Speaker 4>So Google's like, hey, we're here for information, not fake news.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. They don't want to be canceled.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I guess we'll see how this what ramifications this

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<v Speaker 3>has for little news sites aren't reputable. There you go.

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