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Speaker 1: Good a, Peter Helly here, welcome to You Ain't Seen
Speaker 1: Nothing Yet?
Speaker 2: In the Movie Podcast, where I chat to a movie
Speaker 2: lover about a classic or beloved movie they haven't quite
Speaker 2: got around to watching until now, and today's guest comedian
Speaker 2: mate Adam Rosenbark's.
Speaker 3: The first rule of play club is you do not
Speaker 3: talk about fake club.
Speaker 2: Now as your friend up, you broke my heart.
Speaker 3: I admire your luck.
Speaker 1: Mister Bond, James Bob have an right now.
Speaker 4: You don't see nothing here.
Speaker 2: Adam Rosenbarks has been a great mate and collaborator of
Speaker 2: mine for nearly two decades. He has written on many
Speaker 2: of the shows I've worked on, from Rogue, Live, Before.
Speaker 1: The Game and Ski House.
Speaker 2: Rosie is one of the top go to comedy writers
Speaker 2: in the country, currently working on The Front Bar and
Speaker 2: The Weekly. He also co wrote Brian Straan Pure Bs
Speaker 2: with myself and Paul Colegia. He's also an author under
Speaker 2: his own scheme with Paris and Other Disappointments, a travelogue
Speaker 2: that chronicled a trip through Europe with his dad, The
Speaker 2: Lovable Homebody Tom, becoming.
Speaker 1: A best seller. It is a really fun read.
Speaker 2: He has appeared on almost every top rating radio show
Speaker 2: in the country, but it's possibly on stage where he
Speaker 2: star shines.
Speaker 1: Brightest or possibly darkest.
Speaker 2: The Age once wrote of Rosie thinks Seinfeld but with
Speaker 2: a black heart. It's not a bad observation. Rosie's comedy
Speaker 2: he ers on the acerbic. It's biting, it's dry, and
Speaker 2: it's sharp. Some of his hot takes have landed him
Speaker 2: in hot water. In the Twitter verse. You can see
Speaker 2: Rosie right now the Melbourne International Comedy Festival in his
Speaker 2: new show called No You Calm Down. Personally, Rosie is
Speaker 2: a great company. He's observant, he's generous, and I'm bloody
Speaker 2: stoked to be hanging with him today.
Speaker 5: I'm oudam Rosenbucks and my three favorite films are Good Fellas.
Speaker 3: I'm here to fucking amuse you. What do you mean funny? Funny?
Speaker 1: How?
Speaker 4: How am I funny?
Speaker 5: Reservoir dogs?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 7: You guys like to tell jogs and giggle and kidderanah,
Speaker 7: ggling like.
Speaker 4: A bunch of young broys in the schoolyard.
Speaker 8: And I had a toss up between two comedy films.
Speaker 5: It was going to be old school, but I went
Speaker 5: with There's Something about Mary because.
Speaker 8: I saw that first.
Speaker 4: Is that a hair gel?
Speaker 5: Up until last night, I'd never seen Indiana Jones and
Speaker 5: the Raiders of the Lost arc.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, surely there are some films that need no introduction.
Speaker 2: It's Raiders of the Last Dark for Fox's sake. Seriously,
Speaker 2: Harris and Ford plays Indiana Jones at Humphrey Beaugard esque
Speaker 2: archaeologists searching for some made up thing that the Nazis want.
Speaker 2: It's nineteen eighty one and mate Steven Spielberg and George
Speaker 2: Lucas have teamed up. I mean, that's pretty amazing in itself,
Speaker 2: isn't it? To make a throwback Mattney adventure movie? That
Speaker 2: may just be one of the most perfect action adventure
Speaker 2: movies ever made. Nominated for Best Picture Oscar in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty one, Raiders of the Last Dark takes itself exactly
Speaker 2: the right amount of serious, as perfect the screenplay as
Speaker 2: there has been from Lawrence Kasden with George Lucas helping
Speaker 2: with story. Once you start watching Raiders of the Low,
Speaker 2: it's bloody hard to stop. There are fistfights, duplicity, trees
Speaker 2: and bogey traps, danger a Fedora, and bloody hell, don't
Speaker 2: we get the season Nazis melt? He may also be
Speaker 2: the only movie in history where a monkey gives a
Speaker 2: Hail Hitler, Salute. Fuck that little guy, Adam Rosenbucks. I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask you a question. Be very careful on
Speaker 2: how you answer. How did you feel seeing so much Nazi?
Speaker 2: How did you feel seeing so much Nazi face?
Speaker 1: Melt?
Speaker 5: Look, it was tough. I kind of knew they were
Speaker 5: in for a bad time from the start. You know,
Speaker 5: Nazis always portrayed quite badly in these kind of films
Speaker 5: they do.
Speaker 2: And because a lot of the actors playing Nazis were
Speaker 2: actually English, the accents aren't great. So I feel like
Speaker 2: the Nazis are oden apology. I think based on some
Speaker 2: of these accents.
Speaker 5: Well, the Nazis did a lot for the film industry,
Speaker 5: didn't they Like, if you need a bad guy for
Speaker 5: what eighty years, you've gone, well, let's go like now
Speaker 5: to be Russians because of the invasion of Ukraine, and
Speaker 5: and you know, like you look at it during film,
Speaker 5: how things change over time, and who are the bad guys?
Speaker 5: It's Middle East and it's Russian, but the Nazis. If
Speaker 5: you need to go to you go the Nazis, and
Speaker 5: no one's ever gone. They've gone them again. You're safe,
Speaker 5: You're in safe territory.
Speaker 2: No, I think we can al say fuck the Nazis
Speaker 2: and we will get to that. It's a very good
Speaker 2: point you actually make, and we will get to it.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad somebody finally nominated Raiders at the Lost Dark.
Speaker 2: It's one of my favorite films. I grew up like
Speaker 2: I grew up. I used to like keep a list
Speaker 2: of my favorite films. Okay, and Temple of Doom was
Speaker 2: always ahead of Raiders of the Lost Dark. It wasn't
Speaker 2: until I was an adult that I realized that Raiders
Speaker 2: is a better film. In fact, I think it's a
Speaker 2: pretty perfect film. But why hadn't you gotten around to
Speaker 2: watch it?
Speaker 5: I was asking myself the same question when you said
Speaker 5: to me, what's a film you hadn't seen? And I thought,
Speaker 5: of Raiders are the Lost Dark? And I just don't
Speaker 5: understand why we hadn't. Whether dad was you know, anti Nazi,
Speaker 5: you know, sledging back then because he was born in Germany,
Speaker 5: but because that was right in my wheelhouse at that time.
Speaker 5: You know, I loved Star Wars. I was a big
Speaker 5: you know what was the third one of the Jedi?
Speaker 5: Return of the Jedi.
Speaker 8: I love that one.
Speaker 5: For whatever reason, never saw Empire Strikes back as a
Speaker 5: child skip that one.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we saw Star Wars at the drive in.
Speaker 2: You got to tell you that there were no Nazis
Speaker 2: as a strike. I mean Vader probably is.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 8: I wasn't happy with that. So it was right at
Speaker 8: that time because you said it came out of eighty one.
Speaker 5: I've got a brother who's five years older, so I imagine
Speaker 5: he would have seen that.
Speaker 8: But maybe I honestly have no reason.
Speaker 5: I will be asked my parents why we never saw
Speaker 5: that and it just didn't exist throughout my teen years
Speaker 5: and I never saw it.
Speaker 2: But I guess back then when you're watching, so Empire
Speaker 2: comes out in eighty for seventy, I think eighteen in Australia,
Speaker 2: this comes out in nine eighty one, so and then
Speaker 2: Jedi comes out eighty three. I'm going to say eighty
Speaker 2: f I think you're right. So you know it was
Speaker 2: it was harder like to you know, you couldn't have
Speaker 2: stream Empire Strikes by not even been available on video
Speaker 2: by the time the Turn of the Jedi comes out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the thing was, if your parents didn't take
Speaker 5: you to see it, it wasn't in your world. There wasn't
Speaker 5: a way that you could go as an eight year
Speaker 5: old to go. I think I'm going to just go
Speaker 5: pop out and see it. It just didn't exist. There
Speaker 5: was no streaming available, so you just if it wasn't
Speaker 5: at home, then you didn't see it.
Speaker 2: We had a local guy, like a friend of the family,
Speaker 2: Joe Bazinski, and I'll never forget. And I went to
Speaker 2: school with his daughter primary school, Blinda, who was lovely
Speaker 2: and we were mates. And I got invited over to
Speaker 2: the house and I'll never forget and we had just
Speaker 2: gotten a video and I'll never forget. Joe Bizinski just, yeah,
Speaker 2: he knew I loved movies, and he opened this cave.
Speaker 1: He has come with me.
Speaker 2: He overs his cupboard and it was just full of
Speaker 2: VHS tapes with labels on them, and it was literally
Speaker 2: like films that had not been released on yet old
Speaker 2: train of the Jedi.
Speaker 8: He was the original Thailand.
Speaker 1: He was market was Thailand. Absolutely. I'm not sure where
Speaker 1: he was getting it from. You know, if the FEDS
Speaker 1: are listening to this after he's a good guy. He
Speaker 1: was a good man.
Speaker 2: And he borrowed, Yeah, he borrowed us some some videotapes
Speaker 2: and I remember the Return of the Jedi was one
Speaker 2: of them. I'd already seen it at the cinema, but
Speaker 2: it was very exciting for me.
Speaker 5: Because remember when there was that time when people would
Speaker 5: film things in cinemas and people actually bought that, Like
Speaker 5: you'd go and you'd go because it was no other
Speaker 5: access to it, and you'd you'd pay what twenty dollars
Speaker 5: or ten dollars for a Baralinese knockoff of it, and
Speaker 5: it would just be someone for me. You'd see people
Speaker 5: walking around, you'd hear coughing, and you're like, who the
Speaker 5: fuck can you imagine doing that?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 8: What a fucking nightmare of a way to watch a film.
Speaker 2: This is househeel beg one bit to watch it. But
Speaker 2: funnily I only noticed yesday I whant to saw The Batman.
Speaker 2: Actually for the second time I went and saw it.
Speaker 2: I took my youngest son to see it, and for
Speaker 2: some reason I noticed this on the way, and it's
Speaker 2: a please, you know, please, no film of the movie.
Speaker 2: You know, so I can understand it's obviously still happening
Speaker 2: to an extent. I mean, you'd be able to get
Speaker 2: a better quality because of you know what our phones
Speaker 2: can do now. But at the same time, who really
Speaker 2: is watching that? I guess people leak things, use it
Speaker 2: to leak things on the internet with their doing their
Speaker 2: own reviews or spoilers or something, and I can understand
Speaker 2: it before the film is released, but why, but why
Speaker 2: are people filming movies that are out already?
Speaker 5: I would actively encourage that because anyone who's you know,
Speaker 5: confident enough to sit there for two hours with the
Speaker 5: phone in their hand or on a little tripod and
Speaker 5: not knock it and stuff, you just go. If you're
Speaker 5: committed to watching it on that format, then go for it.
Speaker 5: If you've got friends who really need it that desperately,
Speaker 5: then I'm all for it.
Speaker 2: Listening to Next Year Eat their Chips switched to me
Speaker 2: because I apparently quite loudly anyway.
Speaker 5: Sultan Vinegar, that's a big call because you're going to
Speaker 5: be going through a lot of water during the movie.
Speaker 1: Somebody is the king and I won't hear anything else.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So I was.
Speaker 5: I was always told to stay away from it because
Speaker 5: I'm masthematic. So Dad reckon that vinegar gave me asthma.
Speaker 1: I never had it, is Andy Vinegar.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, So when we got fish and chips, it
Speaker 5: would always be like my brother and sister would want
Speaker 5: vinegar and be like no old weeklungs over there can't handle.
Speaker 8: So I'm envious of you just chowering down on it
Speaker 8: with confidence.
Speaker 2: I mean there are other lovely chips as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm it is a weakness of mine. If like we,
Speaker 2: my kids now love so vinegar. So if when we
Speaker 2: go to do our grocery shopping, we need to buy
Speaker 2: like three packs of Soody chips, because as soon as
Speaker 2: one of thes opened.
Speaker 1: In fact, the second or third date I.
Speaker 2: Went out with Bridge, we went to the movies and
Speaker 2: she got some popcorn and I got some someony good chips.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I pay for it.
Speaker 4: All.
Speaker 8: You're doing well.
Speaker 2: But she went over doing ak and she went over
Speaker 2: to grabbing somebody good chips and they will almost finished
Speaker 2: off the movie and barely and stuff.
Speaker 5: She went to give you a kiss after the change,
Speaker 5: just got these white lips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks stun for like literally week.
Speaker 5: Going back to just quickly. You know the knockoff movies
Speaker 5: that you buy, That's how I saw Blair Witch. And
Speaker 5: in a lot of those films that you bought, the knockoffs,
Speaker 5: they would cut off the ending. I've never seen the
Speaker 5: ending of blair Witch because it was this version and
Speaker 5: I just never got around to see it because i'd
Speaker 5: seen most of us.
Speaker 8: Like, I can't be fucked.
Speaker 1: It's something about somebody's standing in the corner or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well, looking forward to discussing so much to
Speaker 2: discuss about Raiders. Yes there is dark, but let's talk
Speaker 2: about your three favorite films. Cracking films, each one of them.
Speaker 2: Good Fellas has been nominated before somebody's favorite film. I'm
Speaker 2: sure a few people, actually it is. It is so good.
Speaker 5: I just from start to finish, there's just not a
Speaker 5: dull moment in it. And I reckon I've seen it
Speaker 5: like twenty plus times because when it's on, I'll just
Speaker 5: happen to watch it. I'll always hit record if I
Speaker 5: see it on foxtail, and it's just a really easy
Speaker 5: watch late at night, you've had a few beers, you
Speaker 5: can't be bother concentrating on something, so I just whack
Speaker 5: it on in the background, and my god, it's just
Speaker 5: the pace of it is incredible, and it's just amazing,
Speaker 5: Like it's just amazing filmmaking.
Speaker 8: And it doesn't feel like it's two and a half
Speaker 8: hours long.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the pacing is is so quick throughout the film.
Speaker 2: But then you have that final act when he's making
Speaker 2: the past source and then he's getting I forgot what
Speaker 2: he's delivering, or he's picking up a package and the helicopters.
Speaker 2: He's got a nine the helicopter and he's doing coke
Speaker 2: at the same time. It's just it is frenetic, and
Speaker 2: it's just it's like greatly is.
Speaker 8: He's magnificent, isn't it.
Speaker 5: And every time I'm having one of those days where
Speaker 5: there's like twenty eight different things going on, always think
Speaker 5: in my head, yeah, it's like that final scene of
Speaker 5: driving around you're dropping guns off of your wife's parents'
Speaker 5: house and all this sort of stuff. It's just it's
Speaker 5: so good and just even and it doesn't even end
Speaker 5: there where he's busted. You know, they've got the bit
Speaker 5: where you know he's wrapping out all his mates, and
Speaker 5: then it keeps going and then he gets to live
Speaker 5: the rest of his life like a schnook.
Speaker 8: And it's just like what a fucking ending. It's just
Speaker 8: such a good movie.
Speaker 2: And Jopesky is amazing as Tommy. I mean, they talk
Speaker 2: about fearing, like a different way of instilling fear into someone.
Speaker 2: He's got the Napoleon's in drome of being the other
Speaker 2: short guy. And the scene with Spider makes the joke
Speaker 2: and we've seen it before, we've seen him kind of
Speaker 2: like you know people, you know, him holding court and
Speaker 2: making every laugh and then Henry hill ralely On's character
Speaker 2: making a joke and everyone's worried, you know, like.
Speaker 1: What are you saying? What are you saying? A funny guy?
Speaker 2: Funny funny how And it's just so it's so good,
Speaker 2: and it's so good because it sets up that other
Speaker 2: moment later on when Spider makes the joke but spideresn't
Speaker 2: allowed to make Tommy.
Speaker 5: No, and just the idea that you can you know
Speaker 5: he is a psychopath. But the way that they build
Speaker 5: that tension is you don't know which way it's going
Speaker 5: to go, and in that you just you're on the
Speaker 5: edge of your seat, even you know knowing what's coming.
Speaker 5: You're just like a spider.
Speaker 4: Funny, really funny.
Speaker 1: You know that story. It's funny.
Speaker 4: You're a funny guy.
Speaker 3: You mean the way I talk, but it's just you know,
Speaker 3: you're just funny.
Speaker 7: It's you know, the way you tell the story and
Speaker 7: everything funny?
Speaker 3: How I mean what's funny about?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: You got a wrong Anthony.
Speaker 3: He's a big boy. He knows what he said.
Speaker 4: What'd you say?
Speaker 3: Funny?
Speaker 7: How?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: Just you're you're funny?
Speaker 3: You mean, let me understand because I you know, maybe
Speaker 3: it's SMA a little fucked up. Maybe, well I'm funny?
Speaker 3: How I mean funny? Like I'm a clown. I amuse you.
Speaker 3: I make you laugh. I'm here to fucking amuse you.
Speaker 3: What do you mean funny? Funny? How? How am I funny?
Speaker 8: Oh man, you shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 5: You know, everyone's laughing at him, not with him, and
Speaker 5: it's just going against Joe Pesci and oh Man, Tommy,
Speaker 5: you know, and even like when they're in the bar
Speaker 5: and Billy Bats is out out of prison and he says,
Speaker 5: you know, get your fucking shine box, and it's just.
Speaker 8: On and you're like, what a scene.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just so many great scenes, and yeah,
Speaker 5: what a great film.
Speaker 1: And de Niro is so good.
Speaker 2: When you think of de Niro, you think of him
Speaker 2: being the more menacing kind of style character. He's almost
Speaker 2: quite even tempered in this one. Compared to the lunatics
Speaker 2: around him.
Speaker 8: He's still a callous killer, but he's not he's not yet.
Speaker 5: He's not as wild as like Tommy is, and yeah,
Speaker 5: not not as as kind of loose as he is
Speaker 5: in other films. Yeah, yeah, but oh yeah.
Speaker 8: He's fuck, he's good.
Speaker 5: There's so many good characters in that show. And when
Speaker 5: they go on that murdering spree, that is one of
Speaker 5: the most fantastic scenes. They start finding all the bodies,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, people in the back of the the
Speaker 5: meat truck, you know, frozen and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: So so many good killings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you love murder, yeah, this is the one
Speaker 2: for you. And it's it's just everyone's so good. I mean,
Speaker 2: Lorraine Brucco, who Lady to be Tony Sopranos, you know,
Speaker 2: Shrink is fantastic in it.
Speaker 1: It's an absolute crack.
Speaker 2: And this stylistically, I mean all there's you know Scorsese
Speaker 2: with the move, you know, the pan through you know,
Speaker 2: and you sing all these characters. I mean, that's been
Speaker 2: that's been copied so many times.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Poor Thomas Anderson uses a lot of booging arts and
Speaker 2: a lot of his films and it's just yeah, And.
Speaker 5: They tried to do that scene where they walk through
Speaker 5: so he basically walks from the street through the kitchen
Speaker 5: into the nightclub to get a seat at the at
Speaker 5: the at the venue that they're at, And they tried
Speaker 5: to do that for Bonfire the Vanities.
Speaker 8: There's a there's an amazing scene at the start of.
Speaker 5: That and they talk about you know, how that goes,
Speaker 5: and how that was they tried to do it all
Speaker 5: in one shot, and just how fucking difficult it is
Speaker 5: because everyone's got to be on you know, yeah, over
Speaker 5: a minute and a half. Everyone's got to hit their
Speaker 5: spots at the right time and just go, Man, it
Speaker 5: looks fantastic. But when you think when you break it
Speaker 5: down and go, how do they do that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's I mean, they're always got to do Now,
Speaker 2: it's a little bit easier with steady cams where you
Speaker 2: move the cameras are more mobile, you can walk with it.
Speaker 1: But ninety one is incredible.
Speaker 2: It is you because the pressure I've been in, you know,
Speaker 2: scenes where they're longer scenes, you know, and I'm talking
Speaker 2: nothing like obviously nothing even as long as this, but
Speaker 2: you know, you know that things and you know you
Speaker 2: know your line might be coming up.
Speaker 8: Really you feel the pressure, you really feel.
Speaker 2: When we do promos for the project. I'm usually the
Speaker 2: one who does the last one.
Speaker 5: And even when I was second, even when I was
Speaker 5: a Cold superhero, I felt the pressure.
Speaker 1: We go. We wanted to get into that.
Speaker 8: All the all the extras doing the shopping behind me.
Speaker 5: You know, when you start out in comedy, you're like,
Speaker 5: I'd love to be in film or whatever, and you
Speaker 5: get you get like a gig is an extra whatever
Speaker 5: it is, and fuck it's boring. Yeah, oh, and you're
Speaker 5: stuck there. Man in the back is in the back
Speaker 5: of a shot. Like you know, even when you're in skitHOUSE,
Speaker 5: you might have been in the back of a scene
Speaker 5: and you're not really doing much, but you've got to
Speaker 5: not do much. When the people fuck up, you've got
Speaker 5: to do it again. Yeah, it's and I felt for everyone.
Speaker 5: So I was the Cold superhero for Cold Supermarkets for
Speaker 5: a little while.
Speaker 1: Out of the m c U or is it DC DC.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, we breakaway. I was m CU and I
Speaker 8: broke away. We start a rebel league and just.
Speaker 5: Felt like they were like, you're shoving too vigorously or
Speaker 5: you know, stop moving so quickly, and it was just like, Wow,
Speaker 5: they really coping it and all they're doing is you know,
Speaker 5: reaching up and grabbing a product off the back of
Speaker 5: the you know, the shell.
Speaker 9: Well.
Speaker 2: I would often to apologize to the extras, you know,
Speaker 2: if they were like if they had to hit various
Speaker 2: marks of stuffing that we were doing. How to say,
Speaker 2: married the first people I apologize, I wouldn't wouldn't apologize
Speaker 2: the leasa, my my co star, or the director. Sorry, extra,
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta walk again. Excellent reservoir dogs. I mean,
Speaker 2: in the same kind of universe it feels, isn't it's
Speaker 2: it's such a cracking film, the debut feature film from
Speaker 2: Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just brilliant.
Speaker 8: I loved it, like the first time I saw that.
Speaker 5: So I saw it at the Keno Cinemas in Melbourne,
Speaker 5: and I hadn't heard much about it. I just knew
Speaker 5: that was kind of a high sort of film and
Speaker 5: it went long. And saw it and it's quite short.
Speaker 5: I reckon for you know that that kind of genre
Speaker 5: really pacey and you know, one of the first films
Speaker 5: whereas fantastic integration of music and I reckon that sort
Speaker 5: of started happening around that time. Obviously Good Fellows is
Speaker 5: the same, you know, really good soundtrack, and Reservoir Dogs
Speaker 5: is one of those ones that it was built around
Speaker 5: that radio station hosted by Stephen Wright, you know KBB,
Speaker 5: and it's amazing, it's just fantastic. It's such a great
Speaker 5: film and you don't know what's going to happen, and
Speaker 5: then the reveal of Tim Roth is the cop and
Speaker 5: it's just really pacy, really good dialogue and just snappy and.
Speaker 2: Well it's such a simple idea, really yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and this is because it was his first film. It's
Speaker 2: that whole idea of like where what can you write
Speaker 2: that basically takes place in one place? Now there are
Speaker 2: other places because we go through the robbery through flashbacks
Speaker 2: and you know, there are other on the streets of
Speaker 2: the venues, on the streets and in the car, but
Speaker 2: the majority of it takes place in the warehouse. So
Speaker 2: the saw guys who just basically did it in you know,
Speaker 2: one basically one room. And if you're making an independent
Speaker 2: film and you haven't got a big budget, it's it's
Speaker 2: a smart thing to do. James Joarn and Leewanell of
Speaker 2: course the Saw guys for those wondering and playing along
Speaker 2: at home, and this the dialogue was so.
Speaker 5: I was about to say it was one of the
Speaker 5: first times that you saw that a movie.
Speaker 8: Could be darkly funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, really kind of there's lines
Speaker 5: that Christopher Penn has where he's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 5: I'll go and get someone. He's like, who goes fucking
Speaker 5: snake charm? Who do you think you know? After someone's
Speaker 5: been shot? And just all these lines that they come
Speaker 5: up with, and you just go, it was really darkly funny,
Speaker 5: and that kind of you know, that translated into The Sopranos,
Speaker 5: which is another really darkly funny show, yew Fargo, all
Speaker 5: those kind of things where you go, it can be dark,
Speaker 5: but there's also you know, there's black comedy and all that,
Speaker 5: and that's what I love about those.
Speaker 2: Well, you're not really sure, like nobody's really likable, you know,
Speaker 2: like they're likable because they're funny, but they're not You're
Speaker 2: not kind of going, I hope, you know, I hope
Speaker 2: mister White wins necessarily. I mean some people might, I guess,
Speaker 2: but you're not really sure who you're supposed to be
Speaker 2: and because you notice so much treeson going on, you know, yes, really,
Speaker 2: which is a great part of it. You don't know
Speaker 2: who's the good guy. You're trying to work it out Mashemi.
Speaker 2: And also like it was the first time he's seen
Speaker 2: like Mashemi and Tim Roth. Yes, and as those guys
Speaker 2: who become you know, particularly Steve Mashemi just one of
Speaker 2: the the all time great character actors and Indie Darling
Speaker 2: for a long time.
Speaker 1: But yes, so so bloody good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that scene with mister Pink, So it's all these
Speaker 5: hard guys and then you know he's having this argument
Speaker 5: which is what normal guys would do, argue about I
Speaker 5: don't want to be called mister Pink, you know, because
Speaker 5: it sounds you know, back then they was under sounds homosexual,
Speaker 5: and he was just getting stuck into it and it
Speaker 5: was just kind of it was ridiculously funny in the
Speaker 5: middle of this highst movie and everyone's just like and
Speaker 5: then there was a break to stop down for them.
Speaker 8: To all argue about their colors.
Speaker 5: It was just like child like teenagers arguing in the
Speaker 5: middle of a highst.
Speaker 2: As it was behind the scenes of a heist. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which was I think was really lovely. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: in this scene, I remember my dad being really really
Speaker 2: hating it because my dad worked for the National Crime
Speaker 2: Authority of the NCAA. So the one of the controversial
Speaker 2: scenes was Michael Masden, who was the blonde cutting the
Speaker 2: ear off the police officer.
Speaker 1: Because your dad's pro is, isn't he he loves his ears.
Speaker 2: If he touches ears, he's like, funnily enough, Mary's brother.
Speaker 1: And there's something that Mary, my dad goes nuts.
Speaker 8: Yeah, your dad does not go to van Go.
Speaker 1: Exhibitions.
Speaker 2: So he was always very aded this this film because
Speaker 2: it comes out in ninety one, yeah, ye, ninety two. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you know, I'm sixteen seventeen, so yeah, I'm watching
Speaker 2: the films that I want to watch, but he's It
Speaker 2: was very controversial when it came out, and particularly that
Speaker 2: scene got a lot of, you know a lot of
Speaker 2: comment socially. But again, what like the juxtaposition of you know,
Speaker 2: somebody razoring off somebody's ear to the you know, to
Speaker 2: the tune of Stuck in the Middle as he dances
Speaker 2: to it, and doing it with such abandoned and joy
Speaker 2: was really it was kind of it was maybe a
Speaker 2: fascinating watch.
Speaker 5: And then every dance floor after that, so whenever stuck
Speaker 5: in the middle with you would come on to the
Speaker 5: dance so everyone would do that Michael Madison kind of
Speaker 5: walk backwards in the dance of him just about to
Speaker 5: cut a guy's ears. It was just it was an
Speaker 5: incredible way that it became part of our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine Bucks, Buddies and Hen's Knights a bit
Speaker 2: and now we cut your ear off, but it's a
Speaker 2: pre tend knife.
Speaker 1: We're going to go through the There's.
Speaker 2: Something that Mary is a fantastic comedy by the Fairly Brothers.
Speaker 2: It is laugh out loud funny, like it's sometimes comedies
Speaker 2: don't people can forget how funny a comedy is. I'm
Speaker 2: not even sure if there's something that Mary fits into this.
Speaker 2: I think people kind of do really fondly remember it,
Speaker 2: but it is really just so so, so so so funny.
Speaker 8: I couldn't agree more. And I went in.
Speaker 5: I didn't know much about the Faily Brothers, so they
Speaker 5: came out in like I'm going to say ninety seventy ish.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they maybe like king Pin, I think, you know, yeah.
Speaker 8: For the dumb and Dummer was that before then.
Speaker 7: Ye.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was never a big fan of Jim Carrey or.
Speaker 5: I don't think I saw a Kingpin, So I was
Speaker 5: kind of like I knew of them and but was
Speaker 5: never a huge fan. And so when that came out,
Speaker 5: I went along knowing nothing about it. And that first
Speaker 5: scene where Ben Stiller is in stuck in the bathroom
Speaker 5: and he zipped himself up, mate, I fucking lost it
Speaker 5: so hard. It was one of the funniest things I've
Speaker 5: ever seen.
Speaker 1: We have a bleeder.
Speaker 2: I mean, what a lie when you we have on
Speaker 2: one or two lines in a movie yelling out, we
Speaker 2: have a bleeder.
Speaker 1: He's the line you watch.
Speaker 5: And then when they which wasn't scripted, but when they're
Speaker 5: going to put him in the back of the ambulance
Speaker 5: and they drop him, which was an accident, and they
Speaker 5: kept it in the film, and it actually hits his
Speaker 5: elbow on the.
Speaker 8: Side, and it's like, that's perfect. That's so perfect.
Speaker 5: And the setting up of you know, his character as
Speaker 5: being a little bit of a loser, and you know,
Speaker 5: the dad being over the top of him, and the
Speaker 5: brother and Mary and all that sort of stuff was
Speaker 5: just almost everything was perfectly set up there, and how
Speaker 5: much he loves her and what he'd do for her,
Speaker 5: and it just and there's just so many funny bits
Speaker 5: through the movie.
Speaker 8: It just holds all the way through. It doesn't drop off.
Speaker 5: It's not one of those comedy films that comes out
Speaker 5: of the blocks real hard and drops off.
Speaker 8: It just I Reckon holds all the way through it.
Speaker 2: And it's got twists and we'll speak, we'll speak, you
Speaker 2: know during you know, when we chat soon about Raiders.
Speaker 2: The idea of needing to torture your characters as far
Speaker 2: as when you're when you're writing something and.
Speaker 1: The family brothers do it so well.
Speaker 2: I mean that you know, obviously has scrowed him in
Speaker 2: the zippery is is one. I mean obviously has gone
Speaker 2: what's the worst thing that could happen? Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: and that's what you should be asking yourself when you're writing, like,
Speaker 2: what is the worst thing that could happen?
Speaker 6: Here?
Speaker 1: Can we torture our protagonists?
Speaker 2: And they do, even when before then he rocks up
Speaker 2: to the house and the doors answer by Mary's father.
Speaker 2: He's African Americans, so and it starts saying what.
Speaker 1: Are you talking? Who are you? Like?
Speaker 2: Like he just he's not allowed to get comfortable, and
Speaker 2: at any moment where he starts feeling comfortable, they fucking
Speaker 2: knock him right back. Yeah, they hummel him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the I remember that family brothers saying. Somebody
Speaker 2: asks him, when did you know you had a hit
Speaker 2: on your hand? Like as far as when you're making
Speaker 2: it as a scene that you kind of thought was it,
Speaker 2: And a lot of people think of the you know,
Speaker 2: one of the big set plays like that scroed him
Speaker 2: in the zipper and he said, no, it's it was
Speaker 2: the scene when Matt Dillon's character Heally says, sue him.
Speaker 2: He goes back and reports on him, and he says, oh, man,
Speaker 2: she's you know, she's ob since she's in a wheelchair
Speaker 2: and she's got eight kids, and paints in his mind
Speaker 2: the worst possible picture he could paint for Mary. And
Speaker 2: then Ben Steel's character Ted Still says, oh, no, I
Speaker 2: want to I.
Speaker 8: Want to pursue it.
Speaker 1: Want to pursue her. He goes, that was when we
Speaker 1: knew we had we had something great.
Speaker 2: It's a really good point because that gives it it's
Speaker 2: actually got a much bigger heart than people.
Speaker 1: Actually, absolutely it does.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and then he calls her roller Pig.
Speaker 1: I mean, Matt his character so fucking funny.
Speaker 5: When he gets his teeth done, when he just rocks
Speaker 5: up and he's at the at the strip bar and
Speaker 5: he goes at the coffer that'll be five bucks choppers.
Speaker 1: When and when he's talking about all the charity stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's talking about working with the handicapped kids
Speaker 5: and stuff, and the language is so offensive, but it's
Speaker 5: just it sums up his character and it's so it's
Speaker 5: so wrong and funny, and they nailed him perfectly. And
Speaker 5: he's such a like good looking bloke that it's just
Speaker 5: so you know, disarming that he's saying this kind of thing,
Speaker 5: or not disarming, like I'm just dumb.
Speaker 2: But it's kind of the stuff that shouldn't be like,
Speaker 2: you know, canceled as such, because you need to be
Speaker 2: able to reflect assholes in cinema. Absolutelyople who get it
Speaker 2: wrong and people who are just fucking nasty, and.
Speaker 8: Because they exist, people are out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if we pretend they don't exist, and I
Speaker 2: think that leads us down a tricky slope as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I mean some of the things that you
Speaker 8: were saying before we started this, well, you know.
Speaker 1: The MIC's are on now, ye bring that back up.
Speaker 2: Okay, we should point out before we get into it
Speaker 2: that Rosie's dad is certainly not a Nazi.
Speaker 1: We have made some cracks.
Speaker 2: I thought I wanted to say that before we before
Speaker 2: we do move on, But he was he was born
Speaker 2: in Germany. I mean, we'll do some research, will do
Speaker 2: some research. I just cover my basis. That's all I'm doing.
Speaker 2: If you get a visit from the Feds.
Speaker 5: No, no, No, Dad and I we went back, as
Speaker 5: you know, we went back to Germany together. I wrote
Speaker 5: a book about it called Paris and Other Disappointments, and
Speaker 5: we look through the history and there was no no
Speaker 5: Nazism as far as we could find. So we are
Speaker 5: safe on safe ground.
Speaker 1: What is that show? God, who do you think you are? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which I've been asked to do.
Speaker 2: I was just asked to do a pre pandemic and
Speaker 2: then it got kind of shut down, and you know,
Speaker 2: I hope I get to do it one day. But
Speaker 2: like you do have people who have gone on that
Speaker 2: show and found some really terrible Boddy's secrets. Yeah, not
Speaker 2: always Nazi based, but like you know, pedophilia and even
Speaker 2: you know, in the slave trade, and like really, like
Speaker 2: when you go rock up thinking I'm just gonna get
Speaker 2: a free hole. They here and find out what Arnie
Speaker 2: Josie was up there, and so oh Annie Josie wasn't nice?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, why are they taking this through Syria?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 8: The head of ices, he keept back quiet.
Speaker 1: That's we Uncle Gavin. When I thought he was just
Speaker 1: you said he was going to BALI.
Speaker 8: Said he was playing for the Ballei Bombers.
Speaker 5: I thought they were a footing team.
Speaker 2: Let's get going, go, we have a cracking movie to
Speaker 2: chat about, right, is a Lost Art nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg directed it. George Dougas helped devise the story.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think the idea a lot of it
Speaker 2: came from him, and it was written by Lawrence Kasden.
Speaker 8: Now is this the first time those two had collaborated?
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, I believe what a super team like We
Speaker 5: got Jaws and Star Wars, two of the biggest names
Speaker 5: in the world coming together.
Speaker 8: That's that's fucking huge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean they were mates and like this
Speaker 2: new these new Hollywood directors, you know, it was these
Speaker 2: to it was Francis Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Bogdanovitch and they
Speaker 2: all like they all really helped each other out. But
Speaker 2: this was I think the biggest example of them really
Speaker 2: kind of helping each other out. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: Spielberg had a lot gave a lot of important feedback
Speaker 2: to Lucas when he was making Star Wars. And it's
Speaker 2: almost when Joor showed those guys one of the early
Speaker 2: catch of Star Wars, a lot of them didn't quite
Speaker 2: get what he was going for. And apparently Spielberg was
Speaker 2: the one who kind of thought this is going to
Speaker 2: be huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Think that maybe the space crawl, you know, the start
Speaker 2: of the famous sat Star Wars, was Spielberg's idea. I think, yeah, Wow,
Speaker 2: And Spielberg in this in this there's a great I
Speaker 2: haven't read it, but I believe there's a great transcript
Speaker 2: that was basically somebody was basically taking minutes when Lucas,
Speaker 2: Kasden and Spielberg were discussing this movie. And there's a
Speaker 2: moment where Spilber goes, I've got an idea.
Speaker 1: How about like.
Speaker 2: When he goes into this tomb, there's this this giant
Speaker 2: board that chases him out like and sets his bogie
Speaker 2: trap and it's just like, well, that's just just right there.
Speaker 2: You're actually reading about the evolution of one of cinema's
Speaker 2: greatest moments.
Speaker 1: I should actually from the get go, did you enjoy it? Yeah?
Speaker 8: I did?
Speaker 1: I did?
Speaker 5: I can I first ask who was a pitched at?
Speaker 5: Could do you know the rating of it? Because I
Speaker 5: was kind of like, there's moments where you go, this
Speaker 5: is really childish this film.
Speaker 8: It's aimed at kids.
Speaker 5: But then some of the stuff that happens that you're like,
Speaker 5: fuck me like that is that's nightmare inducing shit.
Speaker 8: It happens during the film.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's funny because you know there is yeah,
Speaker 2: there is really kind of full on stuff and this
Speaker 2: is nine eighty one, so what's full on in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two is different.
Speaker 1: But you know, it was pretty gory stuff going on,
Speaker 1: and they were Nazi like, you know, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: do that lightly.
Speaker 2: And although I think there's a reason why, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a good reason why I think Nazis and a
Speaker 2: helpful reason why Nazis are in there. But it was
Speaker 2: inspired by it, like the matinee kind of movies that
Speaker 2: George lucastems we grew up on. So Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: reasonably wholesome, you know kind of movies. I think they
Speaker 2: saw Indiana James being possibly a James Bond style character.
Speaker 2: George Lucas apparently thought it was really important and he
Speaker 2: like he wanted him to be like a womanizer, and
Speaker 2: Spielberg thought it was less important, you know. And there's
Speaker 2: a scene when after this's.
Speaker 1: The FBI or.
Speaker 2: C I a visit him and they that's where all
Speaker 2: the expedition goes on, which we'll talk about in a second.
Speaker 1: And then there's the next scene with Danna Allett's character Brody.
Speaker 2: Goes to Indy and he's like a robe and apparently
Speaker 2: the longer cut is there's a woman in the room
Speaker 2: and he's so and they just said that they don't
Speaker 2: need it. He doesn't need to be like James Bond.
Speaker 2: I think it's a really smart move because it was unnecessary.
Speaker 2: It was unnecessary.
Speaker 5: He's a good looking bloke and you drew if you
Speaker 5: found him sexy, that was or you needed to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he saw of the students loved him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: have you ever written a message on your eyelids?
Speaker 8: That was really interesting.
Speaker 5: It was just sort of there was some really random
Speaker 5: stuff during the film where you're like that, Okay, that's
Speaker 5: just a weird thing to do. But yeah, one girl
Speaker 5: closes their eyes and chairs I love you on written
Speaker 5: in our eyelids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the film the answer your
Speaker 2: question is, you know, I mean I saw it, you know,
Speaker 2: when I was I mean, I think I probably saw
Speaker 2: it on VHS, because I don't think I would have
Speaker 2: seen it when I was six. I think maybe, and
Speaker 2: maybe I saw Temple of Doom first and then saw Ratus.
Speaker 2: Hence Temple Doom was my my favorite for a while.
Speaker 2: But it's I think it's it's the with the humor,
Speaker 2: and you know.
Speaker 5: There is a lot to offset it, yes, but the
Speaker 5: bit where like they're in South America and he's running
Speaker 5: out of it where you know, whether the boulder happens,
Speaker 5: and the guy who's kind of betrayed him he runs
Speaker 5: out and he's got the spikes all through him and
Speaker 5: that ship and it's just like if this is a
Speaker 5: kids movie and the rest of it, you know, most
Speaker 5: of it is pretty safe for kids, but that's just
Speaker 5: there's a couple of bits where you're like, fuck that
Speaker 5: would stay in your mind if you were seven or eight.
Speaker 8: Years of Babe.
Speaker 2: Well, even the very opening scene, even the score. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you've got John Williams doing your score, you got it.
Speaker 2: There's a secret weapon you have there absolutely to begin with.
Speaker 2: I mean that school. I mean the famous score that
Speaker 2: we played at the intro is what we all remember.
Speaker 2: But even that score, when they're going through the jungle,
Speaker 2: you don't see Indy's faith for a little while.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: And you have Alfa Molina in his very debut film,
Speaker 2: become one of the great actors.
Speaker 1: And he.
Speaker 2: And this was his first day, his first day, he
Speaker 2: had all the tarantulas on his back. That was welcome
Speaker 2: to well to filmmaking, Alfred. And what I really like
Speaker 2: is that the way Harrison Ford plays it like there
Speaker 2: is a cautiousness, like he's cautious, like he's he's brave.
Speaker 2: And the closer he gets there, you know, others are
Speaker 2: kind of like losing their shit a little bit. But
Speaker 2: so he managed to keep his shit together. But he
Speaker 2: is he kind of respects that this is this isn't
Speaker 2: a walk in the park. This is going to be
Speaker 2: this is going to take some navigation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, people haven't been able to get here for hundreds
Speaker 5: of years and there's a reason for that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I'm playing it smart.
Speaker 2: So the eeriness, you know, and not seeing his face
Speaker 2: until he you know, he gets betrayed, which kind of
Speaker 2: sets up the idea that you know, betrayal is I
Speaker 2: think part of this story. And then he steps into
Speaker 2: the light with the great movie star shot. The film
Speaker 2: looks spectacular. It's really well lit.
Speaker 1: Oh it is. It is beautiful. And this I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like pissing in their pocket.
Speaker 2: But it's like, there's a reason this is one of
Speaker 2: the other time great action adventure movies has been copied
Speaker 2: by so many films.
Speaker 5: And also choosing Harrison Ford I think was just a
Speaker 5: huge tick for them because you know, he's already in
Speaker 5: Star Wars. You know, he's very handsome and he suits
Speaker 5: what they needed from it. Were talking about it could
Speaker 5: have been Tom Selleck was who they originally wanted, and
Speaker 5: you think that would have been one would have been
Speaker 5: a slightly different film. I think he's just a bit
Speaker 5: to me, would be a bit more serious than say
Speaker 5: Harrison Ford was, who was probably a bit younger at
Speaker 5: the time. But fuck, imagine the change in Tom Selleck's fortunes.
Speaker 5: If he'd done that instead, he wouldn't be doing Three
Speaker 5: Men in a Baby with Steve Guttenberg.
Speaker 2: I mean, spawned a few sequels, but you would have
Speaker 2: done Quincy down Under possibly not.
Speaker 1: Imagine if Harrison Ford became Quichy down Under it.
Speaker 5: But getting Harrison Ford, you're already straight away tapping into
Speaker 5: the Star Wars geeks.
Speaker 8: So they're like, funk, We're on board.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Harrison Ford is obviously just an absolute movie star.
Speaker 2: Is perfect at that, you know, playing that wounded protagonists.
Speaker 2: You know, Mel Gibson did it really well. Yes, at
Speaker 2: least weapon movies and this. You know, you want to
Speaker 2: see your protagonists in these kind of adventure movies get
Speaker 2: wounded and get hurt.
Speaker 1: Yep, And I think he does that, and he's just
Speaker 1: he does.
Speaker 2: He does comedy kind of effortlessly, as he does is
Speaker 2: with Han Solo. And you know, you think about the
Speaker 2: comedy in Star Wars, most of it comes from harm.
Speaker 1: Yes, Luke's not a funny guy.
Speaker 8: Darth has some wires cracks, but not that I.
Speaker 2: Think they cut a lot of them out. I'm as
Speaker 2: sure you've seen it. He was an empire. They cut
Speaker 2: all of this it's very dark empire. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: love that he's not I feel like there is a
Speaker 2: smugness between the other James, but it comes usually after
Speaker 2: the mission is it's kind of accomplished.
Speaker 8: See, I didn't find it unlikable.
Speaker 5: I never found him and this is you know, I
Speaker 5: was new to him and stuff, and so I hadn't
Speaker 5: seen any of the others, and I never thought I
Speaker 5: fucking don't like you at this point. He was always
Speaker 5: kind of there was something charming about it, and so
Speaker 5: whatever predicament he was in, You're like, he'll get out
Speaker 5: of this, you know, when he leaves Marion with the
Speaker 5: Nazis and goes, I can't if we try and leave now,
Speaker 5: we'll get killed.
Speaker 8: I'll come back for it. And you're like, trust him, Yeah,
Speaker 8: be right, right, be okay.
Speaker 1: I completely agree.
Speaker 2: Let's have a listen to actually them setting up the
Speaker 2: mission and this is it's quite incredible. And as a kid,
Speaker 2: this is not necessarily the scene that you would kind
Speaker 2: of relate to, but it's got all it's the setting
Speaker 2: up of the mission. So the opening scene, which by
Speaker 2: the way, it's just one of the great opening sequences
Speaker 2: of all time. The mysteriousness are going through the jungle
Speaker 2: and then going through and him you know, arriving at the.
Speaker 1: Terms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and what I love to At the start it
Speaker 5: said the title car come up, said South America nineteen
Speaker 5: thirty six.
Speaker 8: Just the vagueness of South America. We won't give you,
Speaker 8: we won't give you a country. Yeah, we won't put
Speaker 8: it anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, South, it's.
Speaker 2: Probably and probably now probably the right thing to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he gets the sand in the famous sand thing,
Speaker 2: which has been this moment again or has been done
Speaker 2: and parodied so many times. And he's going through and
Speaker 2: he lets some sand out because he's way it up.
Speaker 2: So it's a pretty big gamble he's taking because he's
Speaker 2: got a nose that if he gets this wrong, something's
Speaker 2: going to happen.
Speaker 1: He's smart enough to know.
Speaker 8: That there's a booby trap waiting for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: People don't just lead these golden idols, you know, lying
Speaker 2: lying in a tomb somewhere, so you know, and that
Speaker 2: famous you know, he's scratching of his chin and way
Speaker 2: and there. It just looks amazing and then it turns
Speaker 2: the shit really quickly. Alfa Molina double crosses him. It's
Speaker 2: everything's the arrows and it's the ball. And then he
Speaker 2: gets out and you think, okay, he's out. And then
Speaker 2: there's these guys with spears, and then the lot comes
Speaker 2: out and he takes what was his, and obviously he
Speaker 2: sets up his rival, and then he goes on a plane.
Speaker 1: You think, okay, he's out, and then there's a snake
Speaker 1: on the plane.
Speaker 8: And which spawned a spin off.
Speaker 2: Well exactly, this is the original snake on the plane. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And what's what's so beautiful about this? The sequence is
Speaker 2: just so much fun to watch, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's action packed, and in nineteen eighty one it was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is incredible. But the beauty of
Speaker 2: a snake being on that plane, you might think, well, well,
Speaker 2: if he's afraid of snakes, why didn't they have the
Speaker 2: snakes in the Yeah, so it come First of all,
Speaker 2: it comes off as a joke, but this idea when
Speaker 2: the pilot says, you have a little bit of have
Speaker 2: a bit of backbone, will you? Yeah? And so you
Speaker 2: have a laugh. Harrison fort plays it really well. And
Speaker 2: but then the genius of it is that.
Speaker 1: They're going to use that later.
Speaker 2: We're telling yeah, yeah, they're going to use that when
Speaker 2: he's actually put into a pit full of snakes, and
Speaker 2: we know now that as scary as that tone was
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the movie, this is his worst nightmare.
Speaker 2: And I think whenever you can land a joke that
Speaker 2: the audience just thinks as a joke but they actually
Speaker 2: have it mean something is worth its wait in gold.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's smart screenwriting, isn't it.
Speaker 5: And the thing is, when you watch a lot more movies,
Speaker 5: you'll start and I still don't see it until it
Speaker 5: afterwards happens and you're like, of course they.
Speaker 1: Did that beforehand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And there's it's just that slight of magic
Speaker 5: sort of thing going Ah, you're looking at this and
Speaker 5: then boom.
Speaker 8: Something else happened. You're like, I knew it. Yeah, I
Speaker 8: should have been onto that, but you never are because
Speaker 8: it's really cleverly disguised.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And this scene where we have as not all of it,
Speaker 2: because it goes for seven minutes. And this is like
Speaker 2: at the university after the class, the CIA cam and
Speaker 2: they they've got a proposition and a bit of a crisis,
Speaker 2: I guess, and they need Indiana Jones's help. And this
Speaker 2: wouldn't this guy's like I say, I think seven minutes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this scene does not get made in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: They kind of chop it up over three or four
Speaker 2: different scenes, and they shorten it, and they they do
Speaker 2: all kinds of things not they have. It's a very
Speaker 2: talky scene and there's a lot of information there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do it really well to have They're very aware
Speaker 2: of who's driving a scene when there's what does you know,
Speaker 2: Indy know and what doesn't he know?
Speaker 1: Who's filling in the spaces.
Speaker 5: And as a first time viewer, I didn't find it
Speaker 5: particularly long. I actually thought it was handy what they
Speaker 5: was saying, and it did explain a lot, but not
Speaker 5: in a like and this is happening and then we
Speaker 5: need you for this. It was just kind of it
Speaker 5: actually seemed very natural. So I didn't feel like it
Speaker 5: was like, oh god, here we go. Yeah, when are
Speaker 5: they going to get to the action. It was kind
Speaker 5: of like, oh, yeah, we've had action at the start.
Speaker 5: We need a little bit of setup and I'm sure
Speaker 5: we're going to see something in a minute.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But I found it kind of nice, and you know,
Speaker 5: he was drawing it all on the blackboard and saying
Speaker 5: what he needed to do, and it just did a
Speaker 5: lot of work for the directors that they didn't have
Speaker 5: to show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's have a listen.
Speaker 4: What exactly is a headpiece to the staff of rah.
Speaker 3: Well, the staff is just a stick.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this big.
Speaker 8: Nobody really knows for sure how high.
Speaker 9: It's an elaborate headpiece in shape of the sun with
Speaker 9: a crystal in the center. And what you did was
Speaker 9: you take the staff to a special room.
Speaker 10: In tab It's a map room with the miniature of
Speaker 10: the city all laid out on the floor.
Speaker 5: And if you put the staff in a certain place
Speaker 5: at a certain time of day, the sun shone through.
Speaker 8: Here and made a bean that came down on the
Speaker 8: floor here.
Speaker 1: And give you the exact location of the well of
Speaker 1: the Sauce where the ark of the Covenant, which.
Speaker 4: Kept right, which is exactly what the Nazis are looking for.
Speaker 8: Now, what does this arc look like?
Speaker 1: There was a picture of it right here.
Speaker 4: That's it, good God, Yes, that's just what the Hebrews thought. Now,
Speaker 4: what's not supposed to be coming out of there?
Speaker 8: Lightning, fire, power of God or something?
Speaker 7: To understand Hitler's interesting, Oh, yes, the Bible speaks of
Speaker 7: the art leveling mountains and laying waste to entire regions,
Speaker 7: an army which carries the arc before it is invincible.
Speaker 1: It's it's really grabbing.
Speaker 2: John Williams again, the music that comes in when you
Speaker 2: see the ark is is a is just brilliant.
Speaker 1: It kind of gives you, you know, chills.
Speaker 2: But what's amazing about this, and you mentioned earlier about
Speaker 2: with Hitler, what an amazing shortcut it is really to
Speaker 2: make Hitler the enemy.
Speaker 1: They basically say, if he gets it, yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: As an eight year old watching it, not understanding a
Speaker 2: lot of these who are these groups?
Speaker 1: Who these religious what's going on Hitler?
Speaker 2: You never exactly the Hitler is basically the worst guy
Speaker 2: in the world, the most evil guy in the world
Speaker 2: the history has ever known. And if he gets this,
Speaker 2: you know, we're fucked. That's like, that's the that's what
Speaker 2: this scene is saying.
Speaker 8: You're rocking up to grade three. Fucking hate this Hitler.
Speaker 8: Guyrats have lost art.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so's it's such a great great shortcut to
Speaker 2: use because they could have used they could have made
Speaker 2: somebody up.
Speaker 8: They could have said, you know, yeah, that's a really
Speaker 8: good point.
Speaker 2: Bergenstock, Burgerstock, yougers, what's he going to do? You gotta
Speaker 2: explain who Burgerstock is. He's going to make us always sandals,
Speaker 2: monster Monster, it is, it is. It is so good
Speaker 2: and then so uh and then we we kind of
Speaker 2: meet raven Wood. I think that is happening in this seat.
Speaker 2: Is Ravenwood is mentioned now? It's it's it's Abner. I
Speaker 2: think a Ravenwood.
Speaker 1: Who's this old professor. It's quite interesting.
Speaker 2: We don't really obviously in this film many times, and
Speaker 2: maybe I keep forgetting to look out for it. I
Speaker 2: don't think we really know what happened to him.
Speaker 8: No, he is mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the believe in the books he gets
Speaker 2: killed in Avalanche or the novelization. I've wrote his lost art,
Speaker 2: but it's not really mentioned here. I actually always thought
Speaker 2: that Indye, like the CIA, didn't know that they were
Speaker 2: actually talking about Mary and Marion Ravenwood played by Karen Allen.
Speaker 2: We'll get to her very soon. And Indy was just
Speaker 2: kind of keeping that information that letting them believe it
Speaker 2: was a man, but it's actually a woman.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And then when he said there was an incident, which
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's still referring to the
Speaker 2: idea that they had a relationship, which we'll get to
Speaker 2: in a second.
Speaker 1: Because wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I believe that apparently according to the
Speaker 2: Cannon and the novelization, that Marion's father died in an avalanche.
Speaker 1: So there's that. So then we cut to this Nepal
Speaker 1: where we meet Marion Ravenwood in a in a shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's my kind of heroine. Yeah, drinking shots and
Speaker 5: beating someone.
Speaker 2: Who, funnily enough, I always thought was a man until
Speaker 2: I watched it. I think the last time I watched
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago with one of my kids,
Speaker 2: and I thought, it's a woman she's beating.
Speaker 1: There was that, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 8: Thought it was a guy too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I'm not judging you beat whoever you
Speaker 5: want to drink it.
Speaker 1: Whoever's in front of your exactly. Yeah, whoever's in front
Speaker 1: of you. That's all you can do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one shot at a time, exactly. And it's a
Speaker 2: great way to meet Marion Ravenwood.
Speaker 8: It's it's it sets up her character, doesn't it.
Speaker 5: She's living in it like a foreign land, she's by herself,
Speaker 5: she runs the bar, she's in control and she can
Speaker 5: out drink someone.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and everyone loves her for it, and she.
Speaker 2: Can handle her liquor, which actually does come again come
Speaker 2: back to play later on.
Speaker 8: I love a sexy alcoholic.
Speaker 2: If there are any sexy alcoholics out there, get in touch,
Speaker 2: Roses on all your apps.
Speaker 1: Then then Harrison India arrives. She conveniently.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never seen a bar get closed down
Speaker 2: and swept out so quickly. Yes, everyone just really leaves.
Speaker 8: Yeah, not even a bouncer coming and going finish up
Speaker 8: your drinks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the one guy go one more, a regular one more.
Speaker 2: Marion, Indie arrives and let's have a listen to marry
Speaker 2: in India Hendria Anatole.
Speaker 1: I always knew someday you'd come walking back through my door.
Speaker 3: I never doubted that something made it inevitable.
Speaker 2: So what are you doing here in Nepal?
Speaker 1: I need one of the pieces your father collected.
Speaker 3: I learned to hte you in the last ten years.
Speaker 1: I never meant to hurt you.
Speaker 8: I was a child, I was in love. It was
Speaker 8: wrong and you knew it. You knew what you were doing.
Speaker 1: No, I do this is my place, Get out, moved
Speaker 1: on animal. I did what I did. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be happy about it, but maybe we can help
Speaker 1: each other out now.
Speaker 2: So it's something I'd never really picked up on watching
Speaker 2: it all those years as a kid. I'm not surprised
Speaker 2: I didn't pick it up because the ages of these characters,
Speaker 2: like I'm going to going well, and even when I
Speaker 2: watched it maybe six years ago or maybe even a
Speaker 2: bit longer with my kids, I didn't really pay attention
Speaker 2: to it. But in the current climate, you do watch it,
Speaker 2: and I'm not here to cancel raids a lost arc,
Speaker 2: so I'm just going to I think it's just worth
Speaker 2: noting and moving on.
Speaker 8: But holy fuck, like, like, maybe she means I was
Speaker 8: a kid, I was very young.
Speaker 2: Well apparently apparently according to really yeah, it's like fifteen,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, okay, And there's a nine year difference
Speaker 2: with the actors. That doesn't necessarily mean it's you know,
Speaker 2: the characters that separated. There was a press conference apparently
Speaker 2: where George Lucas and Steven Spielberg and George Lucas said
Speaker 2: something like that Indy may have slept with her when
Speaker 2: she was eleven, and Steven Spielberg went no, no, no,
Speaker 2: no no, no, no, no, no, no no no, fifteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: So my question is, why do we need this? Why
Speaker 1: do we all the backstory.
Speaker 2: You can give someone She can say you hurt me, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: leave it there. Yeah, even if she had a crush
Speaker 2: that it was it was unrequited. Yes, or this is
Speaker 2: maybe the issue when you cast men of a certain
Speaker 2: age and actresses of a much younger age, if you
Speaker 2: want to have a backstory, because I think there is
Speaker 2: a good reason why they do know each other, But.
Speaker 1: Is that you create these issues.
Speaker 2: For yourself if you're goin to if you follow through
Speaker 2: the logic, it's like, well, this is a bit creepy, indies.
Speaker 1: Mate, what's going on here? Yeah?
Speaker 8: What have you done?
Speaker 1: What have you done? What have you done?
Speaker 8: How can you get into all these countries past?
Speaker 1: What should be bad? Now?
Speaker 2: The reason I think it's important that they know each
Speaker 2: other and they do have a history, which I think
Speaker 2: could have been done in a different way, is that Marian,
Speaker 2: after the tote comes in, let's have a quick listen
Speaker 2: to Tot's entry because a very you know, he almost
Speaker 2: he's not wearing a Nazi flag, but he may as
Speaker 2: well be.
Speaker 1: He screams Nazi. Basically good evening for a line.
Speaker 3: The bars closed, We are not thirsty. What do you
Speaker 3: want the same thing your friend doctor Jones wanted.
Speaker 4: Surely he told you there would be other interested parties.
Speaker 3: Must have sleppt his mind.
Speaker 5: The man is the fairies. I hope for your sake
Speaker 5: he has not yet a quite it.
Speaker 2: Why are you willing to offer more?
Speaker 4: Almost certainly.
Speaker 1: Do you still have it? That's a very German entry.
Speaker 8: Well, he's set up as evil instantly.
Speaker 5: You know, he's kind of got the monocle on the
Speaker 5: black leather and you just go, oh, don't trust this guy.
Speaker 5: Know something about him and the music. They The one
Speaker 5: thing about the music is that it doesn't leave you.
Speaker 5: There's no ambiguity. You know, you're like, oh, this guy's
Speaker 5: evil or you know when the comes in. The one
Speaker 5: thing that annoys me about that, as much as it's
Speaker 5: good music, is you go, Indy's going to win this scene.
Speaker 5: So when he's trying to get out with all the
Speaker 5: snakes and stuff and he's falling through the wall with
Speaker 5: that thing, as soon as the music comes in, you're like,
Speaker 5: oh he's making it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, So it doesn't.
Speaker 5: Leave you with any other alternative and that's not a
Speaker 5: bad thing because it's a kid's movie.
Speaker 8: You're okay with it. But yeah, it just when you
Speaker 8: hear it, you're like, we're a bad guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I mean I think everything you know,
Speaker 2: like you said, I mean it's cartoonish.
Speaker 1: It's cartoonish. Yeah, he's got the old style Bond villain
Speaker 1: to be honest.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, if you had a cat and would have
Speaker 8: killed the cat.
Speaker 1: He would have killed the cat. But it's still be
Speaker 1: stroking it. Yeah, that's how evil this guy is.
Speaker 2: But the reason I think it's important to marry and
Speaker 2: India have a history is that she keeps them from
Speaker 2: stealing the pendant. He burns his hand on it, which
Speaker 2: is again sets up a lovely little image later on,
Speaker 2: but then she says, Okay, we're partners now, and there's
Speaker 2: just like it's a shortcut for them to, you know,
Speaker 2: make it a reasonable thing that Marian decides to put
Speaker 2: all her chips in with in the middle of the
Speaker 2: table and going with Indie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it gives him someone to save yeah as well,
Speaker 5: like you know, maybe he wouldn't have gone back as
Speaker 5: many times as he did to try and save her
Speaker 5: or try and look out for it more.
Speaker 8: Just the Covenant. I've covered that. It's safe.
Speaker 5: I don't have to worry about it anymore. But she's
Speaker 5: in danger, so I have to go and yeah, rescue her.
Speaker 1: He's got skin in the game now, yes, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I was going to talk about that fight in
Speaker 5: the Nepalese bar, and again you sort of say it's
Speaker 5: a kid's movie, but sort of adulty as well. And
Speaker 5: you know that the shootings in that you only see
Speaker 5: the shadows kind of drop, you don't see the people coming,
Speaker 5: and you know they set fire to it stuff. I
Speaker 5: reckon that would be a great scene if it was
Speaker 5: directed by Tarantina because it's very similar to in Inglorious
Speaker 5: Bastards when they're down under in the bar and the
Speaker 5: guy has you know, holds up the three fingers and
Speaker 5: it gets it wrong and you just go in the
Speaker 5: hands of Tarantina.
Speaker 8: That would be a fantastic scene.
Speaker 5: And they should remake Indiana Jones with different directors directing
Speaker 5: different scenes.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 2: I mean, it is a lovely idea. I mean it
Speaker 2: is I mean, I mean, I think Spielberg does what
Speaker 2: he was going for that scene in Glorious Spars's with
Speaker 2: Michael Fassbender is one of my favorite.
Speaker 5: It's incredible, isn't it The tension that builds in that.
Speaker 2: Talking about going from you know, like when you think
Speaker 2: things are light and the tension of almost well chain
Speaker 2: with good failures and reservoir dogs. You know that that
Speaker 2: is right there again, there's that tension in that scene.
Speaker 2: I'm just going get out, get out, And that movie
Speaker 2: is very good with that. With Hahns' character is just
Speaker 2: like there's this tension when he goes and has the cake,
Speaker 2: the Moraine cake or whatever cake it is. It's incredible,
Speaker 2: It's incredible. That's a great tension filled movie.
Speaker 1: That one.
Speaker 5: And the other thing I did to think about when
Speaker 5: I was watching the movie is for a UNI professor,
Speaker 5: he really can fucking punch on Indiana like that, and
Speaker 5: he's very fit and he can climb out of stuff.
Speaker 5: And if I went to a UNI now and plucked
Speaker 5: out an archaeology professor anthropology professor, I'm doubting whether they
Speaker 5: could do a lot of what he does.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and also he takes he said to take off
Speaker 2: within a moment's notice, like, yeah, if you get enrolled
Speaker 2: in these class I'm watching how much of you. That's
Speaker 2: in the cheerleading series Cheer on Netflix, and we're watching
Speaker 2: the second series at the moment where Monica the head
Speaker 2: coach who everyone respects, and they go to this school
Speaker 2: university to be taught under her. She's got the guru
Speaker 2: one fourteen championships, it's a lot of champions's. You know,
Speaker 2: she's definitely you know, the king. And then the second
Speaker 2: series she goes off and does dancing with the Stars
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, well, where's Monica.
Speaker 1: I came from Monica. You know. It's the same thing, Vidanna.
Speaker 8: That's what people are thinking.
Speaker 2: So when you're watching Cheer the second season, you probably
Speaker 2: think of it's a lot of parallels.
Speaker 8: That's why I don't watch Cheer just because I feel
Speaker 8: like I've got the story.
Speaker 1: You've got the story already. It's a fun show. The
Speaker 1: great scene they're in the market and you like that.
Speaker 8: The gun, the gun fantastic fucking and you know, I
Speaker 8: know the backstory of.
Speaker 2: It, and the idea is he had it was supposed
Speaker 2: to be a sword a sword fight, maybe even use
Speaker 2: his whip, and he had a food poisoning going through
Speaker 2: the crew and Harrison Ford had it and he just
Speaker 2: could not get through today, be able to get through
Speaker 2: the scene, I guess with that squirt.
Speaker 5: In his pants, which would be you know, it would
Speaker 5: be natural to the time, realistic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would like to see at least try one
Speaker 2: takee where he does shit his pants in that scene.
Speaker 8: But so go where he's Indian.
Speaker 5: He's just in the crap and a squat toilet, just
Speaker 5: not now due they could fucking have the ark if
Speaker 5: I'll find God, you know, I get out of here.
Speaker 1: So he ends up just shooting the guys.
Speaker 5: It's so it's so good, it's really fucking funny, and
Speaker 5: it just it's one of those things where you go,
Speaker 5: had they made the original, done the original scene, you
Speaker 5: it would have still been good. It would have been
Speaker 5: a great fight. But just to pull that out and
Speaker 5: he never unholdted the gun before that, and he just goes, oh,
Speaker 5: fuck this and shoots him and he just goes great,
Speaker 5: it's just fucking hilarious, just like disarms that guy and
Speaker 5: you just go saying done, let's move on, and.
Speaker 2: We're really because and when it came out, I mean
Speaker 2: that it's such a famous moment. Now you would know
Speaker 2: that moment, like you said, but at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: when somebody came out with the sword and stead of brandishing,
Speaker 2: we have a sort fun It's probably going to be
Speaker 2: another eight of them who were going to jump in
Speaker 2: a Yeah he's in a lot of trouble here.
Speaker 1: No he's not. He's just going to shoot him.
Speaker 8: Yeah you say that, you know you've seen it parody.
Speaker 5: That was one thing I was going to say earlier
Speaker 5: about this film was I hadn't seen it, but had
Speaker 5: seen so many parodies of it. So the Simpsons really
Speaker 5: went hard, and so there were as scenes popped up,
Speaker 5: You're like, oh, that's familiar to me.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 5: You know, Homer getting chased by Bar chasing Bart and
Speaker 5: the Bowlder comes down the stairs and you know, sliding
Speaker 5: out and all that sort of stuff, and the melting faces.
Speaker 5: Just there were things that I was like, I know
Speaker 5: where that's from. I haven't seen Raiders, but I'm pretty
Speaker 5: sure it's from that. It's just a very familiar film
Speaker 5: even though I hadn't seen it.
Speaker 1: Well, this is this podcast does this a lot.
Speaker 2: I've mentioned this quite a bit that I know that
Speaker 2: the shining Yes, it was was like, ah, yes, Tommy
Speaker 2: Desolo did that, and it's like, oh, yeah, all these
Speaker 2: things makes sense now, Mark only Donna with the Citizen Kane.
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, now I understand references they do. By
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg, somebody I was watching an interview with him
Speaker 2: and somebody asked him, Yeah, out of all the things
Speaker 2: props from your movies, is there one that is you
Speaker 2: treasured the most? And he said, well, it's not my movie,
Speaker 2: but Steven Spielberg owns one of the rosebud sleds Citizen Kane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was. They brought three, or they had three
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 8: You need you need backups.
Speaker 2: You're going to burn them, you need backups. And Austin
Speaker 2: Wells was happy with the second one. They burned, had
Speaker 2: a third and Spielberg bought it, just had the office.
Speaker 2: I think now it's in the museum.
Speaker 5: Have you seen You've obviously watched Citizen Kane. We watched
Speaker 5: it in Filmilm Studies and I fell asleep in it.
Speaker 5: So basically I just woke up and he you know,
Speaker 5: they were burning this going on, but we're talking about
Speaker 5: Harrison Ford getting sick on the set and just looking
Speaker 5: at the hole where it was filmed, and it was
Speaker 5: shot in Chunizia, and obviously the first part.
Speaker 8: Was in Hawaii, but you just go.
Speaker 5: Steven Spielberg clearly liked shooting in really shitty places with
Speaker 5: dirt and dust and making it really hard on himself
Speaker 5: because Star Wars the first one, and you know, shooting
Speaker 5: in the desert must be a fucking nightmare.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And it was a really tough shoot. Like
Speaker 1: they said, it was hot. Everyone was so hot, so sick.
Speaker 8: Apparently the whole crew except for Spielberg got sick in coincidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sure, take care of yourself, mate.
Speaker 5: But it was just like, as much as it's hard
Speaker 5: enough to shoot a film as it is to add
Speaker 5: that into the mix, you just go, fuck, such a
Speaker 5: big effort, like you know, from what we see on
Speaker 5: screen to what effort went into it is just incredible.
Speaker 2: And like I said, you KNOWLM cruise and equipment is
Speaker 2: way more portable these days. Yeah, back then you are,
Speaker 2: you know, shooting on film and it's it's tough. I
Speaker 2: mean the amount of times I imagine a bit of
Speaker 2: sand got in the gate and they had to reshoot
Speaker 2: a scene. Yeah, I imagine it happened like quite a bit.
Speaker 2: What do you think the monkey do you love the monkey?
Speaker 8: Look, I hated the monkey. He betrayed he betrayed them.
Speaker 8: But to get a monkey to do it a Nazi
Speaker 8: salute is one of the most amazing things I've ever
Speaker 8: seen in cinema. And apparently this is how they did it.
Speaker 5: They held a grape above the monkey and he put
Speaker 5: his hand up to reach for it, and it took
Speaker 5: like fifty goes to get it.
Speaker 1: Imagine a monkey watching a back. Oh, hang on, I
Speaker 1: did not know. I did not know I was giving
Speaker 1: a Nazi salute.
Speaker 8: This was not in the contrary they said the grape
Speaker 8: was going to be shot.
Speaker 1: This is bullshit.
Speaker 8: Now I'm never going to get a job again.
Speaker 1: And he didn't. Yeah, I did not see that monkey work.
Speaker 5: I didn't was not upset when he died. I'm usually
Speaker 5: four animals, but I was an anti monkey.
Speaker 2: Good line to a bad day. I agree, happy to
Speaker 2: see the monkey go. And what do you think of
Speaker 2: block the enemy the nemesis of Indiana Jones. I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed him because he and more so watching it recently,
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed more and based on really this speech where
Speaker 2: maybe as a kid, you know I'll be lying if
Speaker 2: I said as a kid and you're watching radies a
Speaker 2: lost art.
Speaker 1: You're kind of watching for the action sequence.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so when you gets to be talkie, you
Speaker 2: know you're not paying attention. Maybe you're not picking things
Speaker 2: up as well as you can, but more as an adult,
Speaker 2: when I've watched it, I've really kind of leant into
Speaker 2: this scene. This is broke and talking to India about
Speaker 2: how similar they actually are.
Speaker 6: I see your taste in friends romains consistent. How odd
Speaker 6: that you should then.
Speaker 8: This way for ourselves.
Speaker 6: So many stimulating encumbents almost regret it when shall I
Speaker 6: find a new adversary's so close to my own level?
Speaker 4: Trying as a local sewer.
Speaker 6: You and I are very much alike. Archaeology is our religion. Yeah,
Speaker 6: we have both fallen from the pure faith. Our methods
Speaker 6: have not differed as much as you pretend. I am
Speaker 6: a shadowy reflection of you. Don't taking a nudge to
Speaker 6: make you like me, to push you out of the lake.
Speaker 4: You know you're getting nasked.
Speaker 1: You know it's true a nice So.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like the good and evil of the
Speaker 5: same person, Like Obi Wan and Darth Vader. Yeah, like
Speaker 5: he turned you know, they both are both the same person,
Speaker 5: and then one went to the dark side, the Nazis,
Speaker 5: and you know, Indiana Jones on the side of good,
Speaker 5: and so you kind of root for him. He wasn't
Speaker 5: even though he was evil, he still had that Nazi
Speaker 5: with him to out evil him.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, but you could make the argument because Blocke
Speaker 2: had the plan to come, I guess, then betray these planers,
Speaker 2: then betrayed the Nazis, so he was in it for himself.
Speaker 1: As Indiana Jones is.
Speaker 2: Yes, like Indiana Jones, you can make the argue what
Speaker 2: like he's just after the thrill of the race. Really, like,
Speaker 2: even at the start, I'm not completely sure he's doing
Speaker 2: it to save the world. I think he's doing it
Speaker 2: because he loves the adrenaline of this. And if you
Speaker 2: actually really look at it, what Indiana Jones does is
Speaker 2: take takes cultural artifacts out of the places where they
Speaker 2: were put by the people who.
Speaker 1: Decide to put them there. Ye, that's true, that's pretty
Speaker 1: take them away and put in the museums. Not really
Speaker 1: a cool thing to do.
Speaker 8: No, not at all.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm happy to ignore that because I love Indiana
Speaker 2: Jones movies. Yeah, I think as an adult, I've kind
Speaker 2: of seen. Oh, but lo's not necessarily Yeah, and he
Speaker 2: does make that point in the movie. It makes him
Speaker 2: that scene. Yeah, they're actually like Block wants to be
Speaker 2: his mate.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, and even later on he kind of
Speaker 5: calls him out for it when he calls his bluff
Speaker 5: when he says, oh, you want to blow the Covenant up,
Speaker 5: go for me.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's everyone step away, and they kind of do it.
Speaker 5: And then INDI's court out because he's like, fucking knows
Speaker 5: that I wanted as much as he does, and I
Speaker 5: can't blow it up because if you really wanted to
Speaker 5: protect the world, he would blow it up.
Speaker 1: Let's have a good point. Have a listen to that,
Speaker 1: say Jones, I'm.
Speaker 9: Gonna blow up the Acronye, your persistent surprises even me.
Speaker 8: You're gonna give mercenaries a bad name.
Speaker 3: Doctor Jones.
Speaker 8: Surely you don't think you can escape from this island.
Speaker 9: It depends on how reasonable we're all willing to be.
Speaker 5: All I want is the girl.
Speaker 1: If we refuse, then your fere has no prize.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Jones.
Speaker 1: You will blow it up.
Speaker 6: So what set up?
Speaker 7: Set up?
Speaker 5: It's blowed up? Right back to God?
Speaker 6: Are you your life has been spent in pursuit of
Speaker 6: archaeological relics inside the treasures beyond your wildest aspirations.
Speaker 5: You want to see it open as well as I.
Speaker 6: Indiana, we are simply passing through history.
Speaker 1: This this is history. The more I watch it, the
Speaker 1: more I kind of I kind of I lean into
Speaker 1: block a little bit more.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's as evil as he's portrayed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I certainly think he's more interesting than I thought
Speaker 2: he was growing up. You know, like he's got more shades,
Speaker 2: and he is very similar and almost you know, almost
Speaker 2: identical to to Indiana Jones. They're different people. He's not
Speaker 2: going to go into the tombs. He's going to send
Speaker 2: other people into the dirty work. And that's why we
Speaker 2: love Indie because he's prepared to get his hands dirty.
Speaker 2: But I think it's incredible and it's funny. When I
Speaker 2: was watching it, you kind of go, of course, he's
Speaker 2: not going to send them zu could down there, because
Speaker 2: if he not only destroys the artifacts, it probably they
Speaker 2: all die. Yeah, without not being too light about it,
Speaker 2: but like it did remind me what's going on in
Speaker 2: the world at the moment. You got putinent with these
Speaker 2: holding the world at ransom in a way with nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2: Everyone's going, oh, we can't do anything because of yeah,
Speaker 2: we can't join the military, can't join the fight because
Speaker 2: he's got nuclear weapons. But it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's a gamble, but you kind of go, but surely
Speaker 2: it's not going to use nukelear weapons because he dies
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you're going very well, Yeah.
Speaker 2: You don't think and I know it's it's an extraordinary
Speaker 2: moment of having to call somebody's bluff. Yes, yeah, but
Speaker 2: it did cut across my mind when I was watching
Speaker 2: that moment.
Speaker 8: So the other thing about.
Speaker 5: Ballock is also when Marion is in the camp and
Speaker 5: indies away and he just has a drinking game with
Speaker 5: her as well, and she takes the knife and he's
Speaker 5: not evil to her, like she's trapped. He's well essentially
Speaker 5: their prisoner, but he doesn't do anything bad with her,
Speaker 5: so you kind of go, he's bad, but he's just
Speaker 5: working for the Nazis. Yeah, that's just he's just a
Speaker 5: casual employer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well absolutely, And I think he likes Cindy and
Speaker 2: he genuinely likes Mariyan. Like countless times he tries to
Speaker 2: save us sometimes he sells her out, but everyone's doing that, like,
Speaker 2: and he sells Marian out when he comes and says,
Speaker 2: you need to stay here, I'll be back, I'll be back,
Speaker 2: and you kind of do believe that he will be back,
Speaker 2: which I think makes it god okay, But also it
Speaker 2: gives what I like about it as well. It gives
Speaker 2: Mary an agency to become her own, like she comes
Speaker 2: up with her own plan as opposed to just being
Speaker 2: waiting to be rescued. She formulates her own plan. I
Speaker 2: love that scene, the drinking scene. I think they're both
Speaker 2: Karen Allen and Paul Freeman have a really good in
Speaker 2: that scene. And by the way, I think one of
Speaker 2: the great visual gags in movie history when Tope comes
Speaker 2: in and we think he's got a nun shuck and
Speaker 2: it turns into a code hanger.
Speaker 8: It was like, it was fuck Like when I saw that,
Speaker 8: I was just like, what is this film?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it.
Speaker 2: Does film, but this is the most kind of almost
Speaker 2: two dark kind of gag, you know, like.
Speaker 5: A flying high gag in the middle of this sort
Speaker 5: of you know, adventure film. It was just I couldn't
Speaker 5: believe it happened.
Speaker 2: I would love to know the history of just that moment,
Speaker 2: like who came up with it? Did they discuss there's
Speaker 2: a fit in this you know?
Speaker 5: Apparently Spielberg had tried to use it in nineteen forty one.
Speaker 5: It didn't work, and so they redid it for Raiders
Speaker 5: of the Lost Ark. But still it just comes out
Speaker 5: of nowhere. The rest of the film is not like that.
Speaker 5: You just go, let's just do a side gag, and
Speaker 5: it fucking it was so bizarre and funny. It's just like,
Speaker 5: oh that is okay. This movie is just bonkers.
Speaker 2: And I think and it's if you look at it holistically,
Speaker 2: I do think they get the balance that balanced really
Speaker 2: well of going we're not tanging ourselves too seriously. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: you know, like there's a joke always, I think at
Speaker 2: the right moment, bit of a fast Yeah, even when
Speaker 2: in the Snake Pitt and Marion's jumping away over him.
Speaker 1: It's kind of climical how he's doing.
Speaker 5: That very light, Yes, a bit that made me laugh
Speaker 5: a light and it was kind of ridiculous. After they've
Speaker 5: got off the boat or they're on the boat and
Speaker 5: then the Germans have the arc and they're it's in
Speaker 5: the submarine and then you just say, go, we can't
Speaker 5: find any Indiana Jones.
Speaker 8: And then he just swims across to the U boat.
Speaker 8: It's like no one saw him.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not sure if he's every the English
Speaker 2: channel swim, but oh my god, that was an impressive yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then they showed the length of how far the
Speaker 5: U boat went to get to that island, and for
Speaker 5: whatever reason, it just chose not to submerge because he
Speaker 5: was just sitting on the top of it.
Speaker 8: No one noticed it.
Speaker 2: There are some perspective, but when he at the start,
Speaker 2: he's been chased by that tribe. They're right on his heels. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you cut to the fishing on the plane.
Speaker 2: Really he's really dug in. But that seeming Marian block
Speaker 2: is so good and we mentioned it before, but just
Speaker 2: to hammer at home, like the idea that we know
Speaker 2: early that she can handle her alcohol. So when she
Speaker 2: sets up this idea of like let's let's have a drink,
Speaker 2: we know that there's a plan there, and you know
Speaker 2: it's not a bad plan based on her set of skills.
Speaker 1: The plane, so.
Speaker 2: There's a lot happy We won't go through everything, but
Speaker 2: one of my other favorite scenes is the fight.
Speaker 1: In the airplane.
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I mean it's talking about tension again.
Speaker 2: It's like fights can be tense just just having a fight,
Speaker 2: watching a fight on screen, but to put it there
Speaker 2: when again hummeling your protagonists, torturing them. But he's already
Speaker 2: had one fight and then he thinks he's done. And
Speaker 2: I love the body language that Harrison Ford gives when
Speaker 2: the big the big blonde, you know, like bodybuilding nazi
Speaker 2: comes over and he's like.
Speaker 8: This one's going to kick my ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And for a woman, yeah, and it's it's so good.
Speaker 5: And again with a child move you don't see it,
Speaker 5: but the guy gets you know, mowed down with the
Speaker 5: propeller and you're like, okay, that was that's pretty fucking
Speaker 5: full on.
Speaker 8: There's elements of Mad Max in this film.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Yeah. And I mean I.
Speaker 2: I don't see it as a child's film the same
Speaker 2: way that I think Star Wars more so is a
Speaker 2: child's film.
Speaker 10: I feel like this is just mid teens, yeah, well
Speaker 10: just young adults, young adult, but even I think almost
Speaker 10: for everyone this is it's kind of that kind of
Speaker 10: classic It's I think was taken out swearing and like,
Speaker 10: you know, nudity, and you know, they don't go too
Speaker 10: far into you know, maybe thankfully so the Marian and yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's what makes that backstory even weirder, like, don't
Speaker 2: think how light sometimes that the lovely light touches they
Speaker 2: make in this movie and then they have that is
Speaker 2: just you know, I think, counterintuitive a decision and the
Speaker 2: choice made that is from a bikeone error, I think.
Speaker 5: And then the scene where Indiana Jones is driving the
Speaker 5: big army truck and then they're all on the back
Speaker 5: and stuff. It reminded me so much of Rambo, right
Speaker 5: because in Rambo he's doing that when he finally escapes
Speaker 5: from the cave and he's going into the city to
Speaker 5: blow it up, and it's just so fucking similar. And
Speaker 5: you go one sort of comedy, one's really dark. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And just the difference in it was it was just
Speaker 5: really really similar in the way they were kind of shot.
Speaker 2: And then when they're having that fight in the truck,
Speaker 2: was was he fighting hoges? You remember that when they
Speaker 2: looked like but I thought, I think he's fighting hogs.
Speaker 1: Are a lot like us, Nagan a lot like us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would have thought the Nazis were going for
Speaker 5: the you know, the rookies, like a seventy five year
Speaker 5: old guy just popped into the front of the cab.
Speaker 2: Was maybe a lot of younger hoages. And then there's
Speaker 2: a point as well. I've never noticed it, and I
Speaker 2: did some reasons. Apparently has become a thing and people
Speaker 2: have noticed it before me.
Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: But it looks like Ballock eats a fly at one point.
Speaker 2: I think it might be the Bazooker scene actually, and
Speaker 2: he's talking yeah, and there's a fly that appears on
Speaker 2: his love on his lip, and it goes and then
Speaker 2: it just disappears. Apparently they have addressed this and said no,
Speaker 2: it is actually like there's there's a very fine edit
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 8: Okay, So I'm not.
Speaker 1: Sure if I believe them.
Speaker 5: I love I love it being natural. You're out in
Speaker 5: the desert, there's going to be fucking fly a fly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eat a fly. The catering wasn't that good. I
Speaker 1: ate a fly, sue me. So we get into the
Speaker 1: Well of Souls, and this is where we get into
Speaker 1: some some face melting. I have heard. There's a great
Speaker 1: podcast by the way called script.
Speaker 2: Notes, which is done by Craig Mason who wrote Snoble
Speaker 2: recently in massive career pivot because he had previously done
Speaker 2: the Hangover films and the scary movie films and.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, quite a pivot.
Speaker 2: And John August who writes a lot of films for
Speaker 2: Watch a lot of films with Tim Burton and wrote
Speaker 2: Go was his big first film, which is good indie
Speaker 2: film from nineties early two thousands. And they do it
Speaker 2: episode with Laura's Lawrence Kasin going through Raiders Lost, like
Speaker 2: I really recommend listening to it. But they brought up
Speaker 2: the point which I'd never thought of with this film,
Speaker 2: in that it's weird when you have a protagonist in
Speaker 2: the climax of a film not have as much agency
Speaker 2: as Indiana Jones does in this, like all they really
Speaker 2: do is tied up, and all he really does is
Speaker 2: close his eyes to survive. Usually you would look at
Speaker 2: how do we get them out of that so they
Speaker 2: can then save the world. All he really does is
Speaker 2: close his eyes. It's never bothered me at all, And
Speaker 2: I still don't know if it bothers me now that
Speaker 2: they kind of at the point of that. To me,
Speaker 2: Craig Mazin cannot acts that point by saying there's been
Speaker 2: so much action leading up to.
Speaker 1: This what do you what do you need?
Speaker 8: And also there is action in it. You know, the
Speaker 8: natters go down, they copy it.
Speaker 1: They cop it right in the face, they cop it
Speaker 1: everywhere they melt.
Speaker 5: The one thing I did think watching that last was
Speaker 5: it's a massive call to finish a nineteen eighty one
Speaker 5: film with that much CGI. Yeah, a completely new sort
Speaker 5: of medium, and they've just gone, we're fucking doing it.
Speaker 5: We don't know what this technology is going to look like,
Speaker 5: but we're going all in. So they did a really
Speaker 5: good job.
Speaker 1: I think they did a good job.
Speaker 2: I think they they I think the movie has dated
Speaker 2: really well like this, and its influence is everywhere to
Speaker 2: be seen. I mean I saw Uncharted recently with Tom
Speaker 2: Holland and Matt Wahlberg and it was really I quite
Speaker 2: enjoyed it. I'd never played the video game before, but
Speaker 2: it's you know, it's obviously inspired by Indiana Jones and
Speaker 2: their chemistry is great. It's a fun film. It's certainly
Speaker 2: no rate has lost up, but it's a fun enough film.
Speaker 2: But you're going to see you know, yeah, the Treasure,
Speaker 2: you know, the nick age movies whatever they are, you know,
Speaker 2: like they's so the influence of these movies is there,
Speaker 2: and I like that there's not a lot of CGI
Speaker 2: and special effects, but when they do, I think they
Speaker 2: do a pretty good job. Like Indiana Jones, Harrison Ford
Speaker 2: looks like he's on a plane with the propeller on it,
Speaker 2: you know, yes, and fighting very close to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, I thought they did a really good job.
Speaker 5: And considering it's forty one years old, it's incredible with
Speaker 5: me pretty much held up like you go, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: it's not great, but it looks.
Speaker 8: It did the job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: And there was a scene infac're talking about rating, there
Speaker 2: was a scene where Block's head explodes and they were told,
Speaker 2: if you're going to go with that and they just
Speaker 2: had his head explode and there's nothing in front of it,
Speaker 2: you will get a darker rating.
Speaker 1: You might be rated R or something.
Speaker 2: So to change they put fire like flames in front
Speaker 2: in front of it, so you still see his head exploding,
Speaker 2: there's flames in front of it. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: whether they added more you know, torture to the scene
Speaker 2: to get it across the line, but it does become
Speaker 2: less blatant in a way, and.
Speaker 5: The melting Nazi again, another iconic thing that they saw.
Speaker 5: And I read about that and they said that they
Speaker 5: had a gelatinous head that they melted in like slowly
Speaker 5: and then just sped that up.
Speaker 8: And it looks great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like as a kid like as Yeah, I'm saying,
Speaker 5: if I was a kid and I was watching that,
Speaker 5: I would have loved it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could make.
Speaker 2: Somebody melt using today's technology and you'd still see through it,
Speaker 2: you know, Yes, part of your brain knows that they
Speaker 2: haven't melted an actor. Yeah, so you'd be aware on
Speaker 2: some level that this trickery going on. Yeah, So I think,
Speaker 2: like I said, forty you know, forty one years later
Speaker 2: stands up really well.
Speaker 5: The one thing that I did think about the film, though,
Speaker 5: is had Indy not pursued it like he had and
Speaker 5: allowed the arc to get to Berlin, that would have
Speaker 5: killed Hitler earlier. So it is Indiana Jones's fault that
Speaker 5: World War two carried on as long.
Speaker 1: As it did. So I hate that guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hate that guy. Now.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going to bring it down.
Speaker 2: I think I think the monkey got to him, Yeah,
Speaker 2: turned him, That's what happened. But I got some fun
Speaker 2: facts before we finish up. I love a fun fact.
Speaker 2: Spielberg loves putting little nods, even though Star Wars wasn't his,
Speaker 2: but he loves putting little nods to Star Wars. So
Speaker 2: in the hieroglyphics in one of the caves that you
Speaker 2: can see a hieroglyphic version.
Speaker 1: Of R two, D two and C three p O.
Speaker 9: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a similar thing VT. There were like vurines,
Speaker 2: you know, placed in various spots. And I think there's
Speaker 2: a Yoda in the Halloween parade.
Speaker 8: See I saw ET and didn't see Raiders of lost Ark.
Speaker 8: I'm going to have a chat to my parents.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I meant well, funnily enough, Melissa Matheson, who I
Speaker 2: think was dating Harrison Ford during this time, maybe even
Speaker 2: married to Harrison Ford, visiting him on set, and while
Speaker 2: she was visiting, she would also meet up with Spielberg
Speaker 2: and they would just talk about ET. Spielberg is such
Speaker 2: a genius, Like it's almost like it's just so easy
Speaker 2: to kind of this go, Well's Spielberg and he's Spielberg,
Speaker 2: But sometimes you have to of appreciate the genius of
Speaker 2: the man, like he is making rais a Lost Ark
Speaker 2: and just planning this playing this other movie called et
Speaker 2: you know, in your downtime, and.
Speaker 5: The Nazis has given him an idea for saving private
Speaker 5: ryot all monkeys.
Speaker 8: No, hang on, we won't go with the monkeys realized.
Speaker 2: So Mussam Madison writes at and it becomes why that
Speaker 2: film becomes the Kangaroo Hide bull Whip sold in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine for forty three thousand dollars. That's probably even
Speaker 2: pound maybe at Christie's at.
Speaker 8: Auction, So that seems low to me.
Speaker 1: Well, if it's pound, it's probably you know, take to
Speaker 1: one hundred k.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, it gets a good run though he does
Speaker 5: use it quite a bit. Yeah, it's very handy with it.
Speaker 1: Well, they probably want to back now because they're making
Speaker 1: they're making a fifth one, are they? Yeah? With Harrison Ford,
Speaker 1: with Harrison Ford, I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's got to be a time.
Speaker 2: Well, because the fourth one they did was was you know,
Speaker 2: I remember thinking, geez, Harrison here, you know, Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he came back from the you know, the Wars films.
Speaker 1: But I think they use him pretty smartly.
Speaker 8: What about this fifth one? Is someone coming to collect him?
Speaker 2: It's all about age care and it's a real it's
Speaker 2: be sad they've had a tough time. The heavy lid
Speaker 2: of the arc because Ben Bert R T d To
Speaker 2: himself did the sound design and the sound of the
Speaker 2: lid of the arc is actually he recorded him lifting
Speaker 2: the lid of his toilet system.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so yeah, I love hearing how they do it,
Speaker 5: how they sound safe stuff is great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. And Ben Bert is like such a
Speaker 1: genius the sounds.
Speaker 2: The way he choreographed Star Wars and then the soundscape
Speaker 2: of Star Wars is incredible.
Speaker 5: Like you know when they have when you hear it
Speaker 5: see a horse on screen, you know that they've got
Speaker 5: a horse into the studio.
Speaker 8: It's just brilliant the way.
Speaker 1: They doevision movie magic.
Speaker 2: You've obviously been a movie world on the Gold Coast,
Speaker 2: Adam rosenbarks, but this podcast comes with homework.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you watched it.
Speaker 8: It was a pleasure.
Speaker 2: Did you enjoy it enough to come back again? Maybe
Speaker 2: next season for Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, would happily watch that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 8: It was an enjoyable watch.
Speaker 5: It was one of those ones that I'm like disappointed
Speaker 5: that I didn't see it as a kid, because you know,
Speaker 5: rather than a comedian, I could be an archaeologist.
Speaker 1: Who know.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I would definitely watch Temple of Doom.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 8: It was an easy fun watch.
Speaker 1: It really is.
Speaker 2: And I think you're right as far as watching it,
Speaker 2: you know, as in your forties, as opposed to watching
Speaker 2: it when you're young.
Speaker 1: I mean, I see it now and it takes me
Speaker 1: back to almost when I watch it.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: What I like about is I do pick up new things,
Speaker 2: like I have a different perspective on Balloch and and
Speaker 2: some creepy details of Indian Americans past.
Speaker 1: But I still to see it.
Speaker 2: It's such a perfect and like as far as the
Speaker 2: screenplay goes, I think if you're trying to write a film,
Speaker 2: and that even if it's not an action film, but
Speaker 2: just seeing how all the choices, yes they make yep
Speaker 2: along the way for this film is incredible. The way
Speaker 2: they pummel that character, they torture Indiana Jones. And you
Speaker 2: see a film that doesn't quite work often this because
Speaker 2: they haven't tortured the character enough, and they do it
Speaker 2: so well in this one. Mate, Thanks so much, pleasure.
Speaker 2: Let's go get a drink next week on the show.
Speaker 2: I'm really looking forward to Alexi Toleopoulos say. He is
Speaker 2: a comedian podcaster. He does not like a film critic,
Speaker 2: so he is completely well versed. He's probably overqualified in fact,
Speaker 2: to be appearing on my podcast. He's got a podcast
Speaker 2: called Fighting Drago and Finding Desperado with he does with
Speaker 2: Cameron James, also one called Total Reboots. He's a massive
Speaker 2: film buff and we will be discussing a show that
Speaker 2: I have not seen myself, which is always exciting. We
Speaker 2: will be watching from nineteen seventy five one of the
Speaker 2: greatest cult classic hits ever, The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 2: That's right, the Rocky Horror Picture Show, starring Tim Curry,
Speaker 2: Susan Sarandon and others Meat Loaf. We'll be discussing it
Speaker 2: with Alexi Teleopolis. Looking forward to that till then, stay
Speaker 2: safe bye, and so we leave old Pete save fan
Speaker 2: sul and to our friends of the radio audience, we've
Speaker 2: been a pleasant good night.