1 00:00:04,071 --> 00:00:07,071 Speaker 1: Black Cast Unite our voices. 2 00:00:08,191 --> 00:00:11,711 Speaker 2: Gotcha for Life and Black Magic Woman podcast acknowledges the 3 00:00:11,751 --> 00:00:15,311 Speaker 2: traditional owners of the land which we recorded this episode. 4 00:00:15,391 --> 00:00:18,391 Speaker 2: We also acknowledge the traditional owners of the land from 5 00:00:18,391 --> 00:00:21,271 Speaker 2: where you the listener or viewer are tuning in. We 6 00:00:21,311 --> 00:00:23,751 Speaker 2: would like to pay our respects to elders, both past 7 00:00:23,831 --> 00:00:26,951 Speaker 2: and present. We acknowledge that this land always was and 8 00:00:27,031 --> 00:00:32,471 Speaker 2: always will be Aboriginal land. This podcast talks about mental health, 9 00:00:32,711 --> 00:00:36,271 Speaker 2: suicide and lived experience. If that brings anything up for you, 10 00:00:36,351 --> 00:00:39,431 Speaker 2: please take care while listening and remember you don't need 11 00:00:39,471 --> 00:00:45,831 Speaker 2: to worry alone. Welcome to Mental Fitness Conversations, a podcast 12 00:00:45,871 --> 00:00:49,151 Speaker 2: about how real people build their mental fitness through connection, 13 00:00:49,471 --> 00:00:52,911 Speaker 2: community and simple everyday actions. Brought to you by Gotcha 14 00:00:52,951 --> 00:00:55,511 Speaker 2: for Life in partnership with Black Magic Woman. 15 00:00:55,951 --> 00:00:58,111 Speaker 1: Here's your host, Monda Narrabels. 16 00:00:59,151 --> 00:01:02,871 Speaker 3: Hello, are you mob, and welcome back to this exciting 17 00:01:03,711 --> 00:01:07,831 Speaker 3: partnership series. We've Got You for Life a foundation that 18 00:01:07,911 --> 00:01:10,351 Speaker 3: I feel privileged to sit on the board of. But 19 00:01:10,511 --> 00:01:15,351 Speaker 3: this is a opportunity for more Australians and particularly First 20 00:01:15,431 --> 00:01:20,071 Speaker 3: Nations peoples to hear about our stories, our people, to 21 00:01:20,151 --> 00:01:26,911 Speaker 3: talk about mental health well being, but also talk about culture, connection, community, 22 00:01:27,431 --> 00:01:30,871 Speaker 3: resilience and everything that makes us feel black and deadly 23 00:01:31,031 --> 00:01:32,711 Speaker 3: and the best person. 24 00:01:32,911 --> 00:01:34,751 Speaker 1: I don't think I could think of anyone else. 25 00:01:35,271 --> 00:01:39,391 Speaker 3: After seeing you at the Aboriginal Comedy All Stars first 26 00:01:39,391 --> 00:01:42,671 Speaker 3: time ever, got to see you recently and I just 27 00:01:42,711 --> 00:01:46,791 Speaker 3: thought to myself, people, if you don't know Steph Tisdal, 28 00:01:47,711 --> 00:01:49,391 Speaker 3: she does have a book that we're going to talk about. 29 00:01:49,631 --> 00:01:53,751 Speaker 3: But you have been out there making people laugh. And 30 00:01:53,751 --> 00:01:55,831 Speaker 3: the first time I saw you was on TV at 31 00:01:55,831 --> 00:01:58,471 Speaker 3: the Melbourne Comedy Festival and I thought, oh. 32 00:01:58,311 --> 00:01:59,591 Speaker 1: My god, there's a black woman. 33 00:02:00,391 --> 00:02:03,431 Speaker 3: First time I seen a black woman on stage in 34 00:02:03,671 --> 00:02:07,431 Speaker 3: that environment. So, my sister, I'm excited and I hope 35 00:02:07,591 --> 00:02:11,351 Speaker 3: you too that are listening to this yarn. Do you 36 00:02:11,391 --> 00:02:14,551 Speaker 3: want to introduce yourself? However, you want to introduce yourself 37 00:02:14,591 --> 00:02:16,791 Speaker 3: to my listeners? You know your mob, your name, a 38 00:02:16,831 --> 00:02:17,831 Speaker 3: little bit about where. 39 00:02:17,631 --> 00:02:18,071 Speaker 4: You grew up. 40 00:02:18,231 --> 00:02:20,551 Speaker 5: Ye. So my name is Steph Tisdale. I'm a proud 41 00:02:20,591 --> 00:02:24,631 Speaker 5: Yetinji woman. I was born in mont iSER On Calcadoon Country, 42 00:02:24,631 --> 00:02:31,991 Speaker 5: but mostly mostly raised in Brisbane the Engine and I 43 00:02:31,991 --> 00:02:36,751 Speaker 5: am a comedian, nonpracticing, nonpracticing comedians. 44 00:02:38,231 --> 00:02:39,871 Speaker 1: Just I just make people laugh. 45 00:02:40,231 --> 00:02:42,311 Speaker 5: You just be you I'm an actress and a writer 46 00:02:42,471 --> 00:02:45,111 Speaker 5: as well, So that's that's me, I suppose, And it 47 00:02:45,151 --> 00:02:48,431 Speaker 5: feels weird saying that too, just being like, oh, yeah, 48 00:02:48,471 --> 00:02:49,791 Speaker 5: this is what I do. Like when people go, oh, 49 00:02:49,791 --> 00:02:52,751 Speaker 5: what do you do for a living? If you stop 50 00:02:52,791 --> 00:02:54,511 Speaker 5: for a bit, I think what do I do? 51 00:02:54,591 --> 00:02:54,991 Speaker 4: Whoever? 52 00:02:55,391 --> 00:02:58,151 Speaker 5: Yeah, but also just that they go oh, you're a comedian, 53 00:02:58,311 --> 00:03:00,391 Speaker 5: like and you go, yeah, I guess. 54 00:03:00,631 --> 00:03:02,631 Speaker 3: I mean, but yes, is it a good thing when 55 00:03:02,671 --> 00:03:05,351 Speaker 3: people hear that you're a comedian? What's the next thing 56 00:03:05,391 --> 00:03:08,951 Speaker 3: they say? Do they actually crack a joke? Yes, straight away? 57 00:03:09,351 --> 00:03:11,031 Speaker 5: And the one that we go to is this one 58 00:03:11,111 --> 00:03:14,511 Speaker 5: time I had a guy during Melbourne Comedy Festival. A 59 00:03:14,551 --> 00:03:16,511 Speaker 5: lot of the tourist things are free for comedians, and 60 00:03:16,551 --> 00:03:18,231 Speaker 5: I was like, well, that's fine. I've never done any 61 00:03:18,271 --> 00:03:21,191 Speaker 5: touristy things in Melbourne. And so I went to the 62 00:03:21,991 --> 00:03:23,791 Speaker 5: that tall building and I said, oh, is there a 63 00:03:23,791 --> 00:03:24,911 Speaker 5: discount for comedians? 64 00:03:24,951 --> 00:03:27,311 Speaker 4: And he was like no, and I was so embarrassed. 65 00:03:27,711 --> 00:03:29,791 Speaker 5: And then he went why why are you a comedian? 66 00:03:29,831 --> 00:03:32,511 Speaker 5: And I went no, yeah. But then he goes, here, 67 00:03:32,591 --> 00:03:34,071 Speaker 5: I've got a joke for you. And now I've heard 68 00:03:34,071 --> 00:03:36,551 Speaker 5: this a million times. This one was the best and 69 00:03:36,631 --> 00:03:39,231 Speaker 5: I use it constantly. Tell me, this isn't the best 70 00:03:39,271 --> 00:03:41,031 Speaker 5: dad joke you've ever heard? What do you call a 71 00:03:41,111 --> 00:03:45,311 Speaker 5: chuck looking at lettuce, a chicken caesar salad? 72 00:03:48,791 --> 00:03:52,391 Speaker 3: You know, thinking about you know, cracking jokes and you know, 73 00:03:52,511 --> 00:03:56,911 Speaker 3: making people laugh and sometimes even taken the piss out 74 00:03:56,951 --> 00:04:00,751 Speaker 3: of our ourselves and ours, our families, our mob, some 75 00:04:00,791 --> 00:04:03,231 Speaker 3: of the chaos and stuff and kind of turn. 76 00:04:03,111 --> 00:04:04,431 Speaker 1: It into a bit of a comedy. 77 00:04:04,471 --> 00:04:08,951 Speaker 3: I think our lives are fascinating as black fellows, all 78 00:04:09,031 --> 00:04:12,511 Speaker 3: different people, we come from, all walks of life. We 79 00:04:12,551 --> 00:04:16,391 Speaker 3: are not one people in a sense, we're not one 80 00:04:16,431 --> 00:04:17,391 Speaker 3: homogeneous group. 81 00:04:17,711 --> 00:04:20,391 Speaker 5: Yes, well, this has been someone I've been quite passionate about, right, 82 00:04:20,511 --> 00:04:24,311 Speaker 5: like diversity within diversity in that and it's always been 83 00:04:24,311 --> 00:04:26,671 Speaker 5: something that the reason why I'm passionate about it is 84 00:04:26,711 --> 00:04:32,071 Speaker 5: because I've always struggled to I always stressed that I 85 00:04:32,151 --> 00:04:35,831 Speaker 5: wasn't black enough, like my whole life right, So I 86 00:04:35,871 --> 00:04:41,591 Speaker 5: grew up in middle class suburban Brisbane with no black 87 00:04:41,631 --> 00:04:42,471 Speaker 5: fellows anywhere. 88 00:04:42,711 --> 00:04:42,831 Speaker 2: Like. 89 00:04:42,991 --> 00:04:46,311 Speaker 5: My parents were business owners and super busy. We didn't 90 00:04:46,351 --> 00:04:48,111 Speaker 5: see them a lot, We didn't get the opportunity to 91 00:04:48,151 --> 00:04:52,151 Speaker 5: go home a lot, because they were so busy, and 92 00:04:52,191 --> 00:04:53,831 Speaker 5: the reason why they were so busy. A big part 93 00:04:53,831 --> 00:04:55,911 Speaker 5: of it was that Mum was like, well, my old 94 00:04:55,951 --> 00:04:58,431 Speaker 5: people didn't fight for nothing. I'm going to be successful 95 00:04:58,471 --> 00:04:59,991 Speaker 5: and I'm going to make sure each of you kids 96 00:04:59,991 --> 00:05:01,071 Speaker 5: gets into UNI and. 97 00:05:01,071 --> 00:05:01,831 Speaker 4: All of that, right. 98 00:05:02,471 --> 00:05:05,671 Speaker 1: But she wasn't mucking around, no. 99 00:05:05,871 --> 00:05:09,071 Speaker 5: But the sort of sad part of that was then 100 00:05:09,151 --> 00:05:11,271 Speaker 5: that we were kind of stuck in a very white 101 00:05:11,831 --> 00:05:14,311 Speaker 5: world and you don't get to explore that until you're 102 00:05:14,311 --> 00:05:16,031 Speaker 5: a certain age, and then by the time that you do, 103 00:05:16,111 --> 00:05:17,791 Speaker 5: you wonder did I do it rite or did I 104 00:05:17,791 --> 00:05:18,271 Speaker 5: do it wrong? 105 00:05:18,711 --> 00:05:19,591 Speaker 4: And I'm different. 106 00:05:19,831 --> 00:05:22,311 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I wanted to tell that yng because I 107 00:05:22,351 --> 00:05:25,591 Speaker 5: know that's a really common yarn, especially for blackfellows in 108 00:05:25,631 --> 00:05:26,391 Speaker 5: metro areas. 109 00:05:26,751 --> 00:05:30,071 Speaker 1: Talking about the book, well, that's exactly yeah, Well that's 110 00:05:30,111 --> 00:05:30,791 Speaker 1: why I put. 111 00:05:30,591 --> 00:05:34,071 Speaker 5: That in the book, right, what I'm exactly right, because 112 00:05:34,671 --> 00:05:37,071 Speaker 5: the book was kind of it was funny. They approached 113 00:05:37,071 --> 00:05:39,431 Speaker 5: me after I went viral comedy and they were like, oh, 114 00:05:39,471 --> 00:05:41,951 Speaker 5: we haven't seen a voice like this before, so would 115 00:05:41,951 --> 00:05:43,311 Speaker 5: you write a book? And I went yeah, and I said, 116 00:05:43,431 --> 00:05:45,791 Speaker 5: but I'm writing sci fi and they went okay, well 117 00:05:45,831 --> 00:05:46,911 Speaker 5: we just sort of and I went I want to 118 00:05:46,911 --> 00:05:49,431 Speaker 5: write a sci fi started writing and then they said, oh, 119 00:05:49,471 --> 00:05:51,991 Speaker 5: we just need to see it a sample of your writing. 120 00:05:52,351 --> 00:05:53,791 Speaker 5: And the only thing that I could write about was 121 00:05:53,791 --> 00:05:56,311 Speaker 5: my experience as a black woman, and they went, that's 122 00:05:56,391 --> 00:05:58,631 Speaker 5: kind of what we want to read instead of sci fi. 123 00:05:58,711 --> 00:06:01,311 Speaker 5: Sounds cool, but that feels like that's a bit easier 124 00:06:01,311 --> 00:06:03,351 Speaker 5: for you. I was like, don't put me in a box. 125 00:06:03,351 --> 00:06:05,591 Speaker 5: And then I and I really need to tell this 126 00:06:05,591 --> 00:06:09,111 Speaker 5: this yarn, like just of the we when we've shown 127 00:06:09,431 --> 00:06:13,671 Speaker 5: black followers in different areas, the representation is often people 128 00:06:13,711 --> 00:06:16,631 Speaker 5: who are super connected or people that have had a 129 00:06:16,671 --> 00:06:19,071 Speaker 5: lot of real difficulties. Like there's a lot of like 130 00:06:19,191 --> 00:06:24,031 Speaker 5: trauma trauma impacted have one hundred percent and we all 131 00:06:24,071 --> 00:06:27,311 Speaker 5: carry that trauma. But I wanted to show that kind 132 00:06:27,311 --> 00:06:31,311 Speaker 5: of the disconnection and what like the trauma that that 133 00:06:31,431 --> 00:06:35,071 Speaker 5: itself brings, and that it's not always that you know 134 00:06:36,271 --> 00:06:40,751 Speaker 5: that you've been downtrodden for like I don't know how 135 00:06:40,751 --> 00:06:42,231 Speaker 5: to describe I don't know why I've lost my words. 136 00:06:42,551 --> 00:06:45,351 Speaker 5: I would say this, and I'm not trying to speak 137 00:06:45,591 --> 00:06:49,471 Speaker 5: for you, but a lot of us that are kind 138 00:06:49,471 --> 00:06:52,391 Speaker 5: of it's not that we're stuck in our trauma, but 139 00:06:52,511 --> 00:06:56,751 Speaker 5: sometimes fear was like there's no there's no light at 140 00:06:56,751 --> 00:06:59,471 Speaker 5: the end of the tunnel. Whereas in my aunt always 141 00:06:59,511 --> 00:07:03,231 Speaker 5: said to me always, she said, you're not a victim. 142 00:07:03,831 --> 00:07:07,991 Speaker 3: You're not a victim. When you think about our people. 143 00:07:08,991 --> 00:07:10,631 Speaker 3: We're owners and runners of country. 144 00:07:10,831 --> 00:07:11,231 Speaker 4: Yeah. 145 00:07:11,271 --> 00:07:13,391 Speaker 1: And it wasn't that long ago that we were running 146 00:07:13,551 --> 00:07:14,711 Speaker 1: an entire country. 147 00:07:14,951 --> 00:07:15,791 Speaker 4: Yeah. 148 00:07:15,991 --> 00:07:17,551 Speaker 1: And we run this country. 149 00:07:17,151 --> 00:07:20,231 Speaker 3: Without any interference for thousands of years. 150 00:07:20,351 --> 00:07:21,111 Speaker 4: Yeah. 151 00:07:21,831 --> 00:07:25,391 Speaker 3: So you speak from that point of view as an 152 00:07:25,431 --> 00:07:27,551 Speaker 3: owner and run of country, not from a victim. 153 00:07:27,591 --> 00:07:31,511 Speaker 5: I think it's so important, right because I think what happened, 154 00:07:31,511 --> 00:07:34,311 Speaker 5: I think everybody's searching for reason, right, and we have 155 00:07:34,951 --> 00:07:36,711 Speaker 5: so many reasons to. 156 00:07:36,791 --> 00:07:38,911 Speaker 4: Feel the way that we feel as black fathers. 157 00:07:38,951 --> 00:07:40,831 Speaker 5: Like I think there's a lot of pain, and the 158 00:07:40,871 --> 00:07:43,471 Speaker 5: pain runs like it's in your genetics, it's in your blood, 159 00:07:43,511 --> 00:07:48,031 Speaker 5: you know. And I think the side effect of that 160 00:07:49,151 --> 00:07:52,471 Speaker 5: kind of knowing what's wrong is that we I think 161 00:07:52,511 --> 00:07:54,871 Speaker 5: we turn on ourselves. I think that's what happens, do 162 00:07:54,911 --> 00:07:56,751 Speaker 5: you know what I mean? Like, we're so afraid of 163 00:07:56,791 --> 00:07:59,631 Speaker 5: getting the messaging wrong because the messaging has been wrong 164 00:07:59,751 --> 00:08:02,111 Speaker 5: for so long that now that we're in control of it, 165 00:08:02,151 --> 00:08:05,031 Speaker 5: there's this real fear that if we ever devi eight 166 00:08:05,511 --> 00:08:09,031 Speaker 5: from what is seen as the correct messaging, and that 167 00:08:09,111 --> 00:08:11,551 Speaker 5: we have to nip it in the bud straight away. 168 00:08:11,591 --> 00:08:15,351 Speaker 5: And like I've been, I've been at the receiving end 169 00:08:15,391 --> 00:08:17,711 Speaker 5: of that, and it's hard because you go, but my 170 00:08:17,791 --> 00:08:20,151 Speaker 5: intention is this, and it's it's so hard to know 171 00:08:20,191 --> 00:08:24,271 Speaker 5: the difference between intentionality versus the outcome of something, And 172 00:08:24,311 --> 00:08:26,591 Speaker 5: at what point do you take responsibility for that? 173 00:08:27,071 --> 00:08:29,151 Speaker 1: You know, like, how did you bounce back from that moment? 174 00:08:29,151 --> 00:08:33,071 Speaker 3: Because I watched that publicly play out on social media. 175 00:08:33,151 --> 00:08:36,471 Speaker 4: Oh, I almost took my life several times. It was 176 00:08:36,511 --> 00:08:37,671 Speaker 4: a really hard time for me. 177 00:08:37,711 --> 00:08:39,871 Speaker 5: At the same time, I was going through a DV 178 00:08:40,111 --> 00:08:43,671 Speaker 5: relationship and was leaving that and you know, fearing for 179 00:08:43,711 --> 00:08:46,791 Speaker 5: my life. And it was probably the hardest time of 180 00:08:46,791 --> 00:08:51,671 Speaker 5: my entire life. And I'm not totally sure how I 181 00:08:51,711 --> 00:08:54,511 Speaker 5: dealt with it. I think I recognized that I needed 182 00:08:54,551 --> 00:08:56,831 Speaker 5: to step back from that, that I needed to build 183 00:08:56,871 --> 00:09:01,031 Speaker 5: up a lot more strength to feel confident in saying 184 00:09:01,111 --> 00:09:02,511 Speaker 5: the things that I wanted to say. 185 00:09:02,551 --> 00:09:04,031 Speaker 4: I knew why I was saying them. 186 00:09:04,391 --> 00:09:07,631 Speaker 5: I had felt like, as a black woman in a 187 00:09:07,671 --> 00:09:09,631 Speaker 5: space where there hadn't really been a lot of black women. 188 00:09:10,151 --> 00:09:13,231 Speaker 5: I needed to be edgy and cutthroat and hit right 189 00:09:13,271 --> 00:09:15,631 Speaker 5: between the eyes of white followers because I had this 190 00:09:15,751 --> 00:09:21,191 Speaker 5: mainstream audience and I thought, if they're listening, I got 191 00:09:21,231 --> 00:09:24,631 Speaker 5: to just hit hard. And I think, what's really hard 192 00:09:24,671 --> 00:09:26,551 Speaker 5: is that then you end up excluding your own people 193 00:09:26,591 --> 00:09:27,951 Speaker 5: from the narrative you're trying to tell. 194 00:09:28,471 --> 00:09:29,431 Speaker 4: And that it came. 195 00:09:30,991 --> 00:09:33,471 Speaker 5: Share and it was so hard because I was like, 196 00:09:33,831 --> 00:09:35,831 Speaker 5: but I'm not speaking to that, I'm speaking to this, 197 00:09:35,991 --> 00:09:38,671 Speaker 5: you know, And I got this platform. Yeah, and so 198 00:09:38,871 --> 00:09:41,471 Speaker 5: I knew why I was doing it, but you know, 199 00:09:42,231 --> 00:09:45,111 Speaker 5: when you have to, when you so publicly make a mistake, 200 00:09:45,711 --> 00:09:47,631 Speaker 5: it's really hard to know how to deal with it. 201 00:09:47,751 --> 00:09:52,511 Speaker 5: And the entire industry of stand up and that whole 202 00:09:52,631 --> 00:09:54,231 Speaker 5: sort of world where you're sort of in the public 203 00:09:54,271 --> 00:09:58,231 Speaker 5: is incredibly lonely. Like you know, you don't sleep well, 204 00:09:58,271 --> 00:10:01,151 Speaker 5: you're performing till late at night, you're eating it. Like 205 00:10:01,271 --> 00:10:04,111 Speaker 5: my my weight had gotten out of control, which just 206 00:10:04,471 --> 00:10:06,471 Speaker 5: you know, fed back into what the trolls say to you, 207 00:10:06,511 --> 00:10:09,911 Speaker 5: and it's this highly pressurized thing and you go, man, 208 00:10:09,911 --> 00:10:11,751 Speaker 5: I only did this because I wanted to make a change, 209 00:10:12,071 --> 00:10:14,111 Speaker 5: and I want to white people to listen and if 210 00:10:14,111 --> 00:10:15,311 Speaker 5: you can make them laugh, you can make it. 211 00:10:15,311 --> 00:10:18,471 Speaker 3: So you achieved that because getting an invitation to like 212 00:10:18,471 --> 00:10:22,471 Speaker 3: the Melbourne Comedy Festival or whatever these other mainstream space 213 00:10:22,591 --> 00:10:24,311 Speaker 3: says that we have not been. 214 00:10:24,151 --> 00:10:26,391 Speaker 1: Invited to for a very long time. 215 00:10:26,631 --> 00:10:30,871 Speaker 3: Yeah, So would you say that you've achieved what you've 216 00:10:30,911 --> 00:10:33,511 Speaker 3: set out to achieve in terms of getting your messages 217 00:10:33,511 --> 00:10:36,231 Speaker 3: across and telling it how it is, like it's a 218 00:10:36,231 --> 00:10:37,631 Speaker 3: lot of it is just truth telling. 219 00:10:37,751 --> 00:10:38,311 Speaker 4: Yeah. 220 00:10:38,391 --> 00:10:42,151 Speaker 5: I think actually for me it felt disingenuous because in 221 00:10:42,191 --> 00:10:44,391 Speaker 5: my life I was doing so many things that were 222 00:10:44,431 --> 00:10:47,391 Speaker 5: really community focused and mentoring a lot of people and 223 00:10:47,631 --> 00:10:49,751 Speaker 5: you know, building a lot of people up, and then 224 00:10:49,751 --> 00:10:52,031 Speaker 5: it kind of felt like I had to justify myself 225 00:10:52,071 --> 00:10:53,951 Speaker 5: by almost sharing that. I thought, that's not why I'm 226 00:10:53,991 --> 00:10:55,551 Speaker 5: doing it, Like I don't want to be that person 227 00:10:55,551 --> 00:10:56,991 Speaker 5: who's trying. 228 00:10:56,671 --> 00:10:57,591 Speaker 4: To virtue signal. 229 00:10:57,751 --> 00:11:01,471 Speaker 5: And I recognized that I wasn't strong enough to tell 230 00:11:01,511 --> 00:11:05,711 Speaker 5: those things because I knew that my I wanted to 231 00:11:05,711 --> 00:11:08,351 Speaker 5: tell the story of what it feels like to have 232 00:11:08,471 --> 00:11:11,991 Speaker 5: all of the expectation of being black, you know, like 233 00:11:12,031 --> 00:11:14,431 Speaker 5: you want to be and fight for your people, and 234 00:11:14,471 --> 00:11:18,671 Speaker 5: then going I'm lacking knowledge and I'm lacking cultural grounding 235 00:11:18,751 --> 00:11:22,391 Speaker 5: because I didn't grow up there, and so you feel 236 00:11:22,391 --> 00:11:26,671 Speaker 5: like an impostor. Yeah, and so it's it's hard because 237 00:11:26,711 --> 00:11:28,431 Speaker 5: you have to speak, you know. It was just so 238 00:11:28,511 --> 00:11:29,071 Speaker 5: much pressure. 239 00:11:29,111 --> 00:11:33,791 Speaker 3: You're trying to constantly justify Yeah, big do you your identity? 240 00:11:33,831 --> 00:11:36,391 Speaker 1: Your existence? Yeah, why you're doing what you're doing? 241 00:11:36,471 --> 00:11:36,911 Speaker 4: Exactly. 242 00:11:37,311 --> 00:11:40,311 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, I still think of it like 243 00:11:40,471 --> 00:11:43,631 Speaker 3: it's quite it's still obviously quite raw for you as well, yeah, 244 00:11:43,671 --> 00:11:49,351 Speaker 3: big time. Well, mental health is in Australia in general, right, 245 00:11:49,391 --> 00:11:52,751 Speaker 3: there's a lot of people impacted, but our mob in 246 00:11:52,791 --> 00:11:56,551 Speaker 3: particular as well, because of that intergenerational trauma time and 247 00:11:56,671 --> 00:11:59,351 Speaker 3: all of the grief loss and trauma and that you know, 248 00:11:59,831 --> 00:12:00,711 Speaker 3: sorry business. 249 00:12:00,791 --> 00:12:01,031 Speaker 4: Yeah. 250 00:12:01,471 --> 00:12:04,031 Speaker 3: Sometimes like I always say, you know, when are we 251 00:12:04,031 --> 00:12:05,391 Speaker 3: going to just get together and cele it? 252 00:12:05,431 --> 00:12:05,631 Speaker 4: Prey? 253 00:12:05,871 --> 00:12:08,471 Speaker 3: Yeah, when can we see each other without going to 254 00:12:08,471 --> 00:12:11,751 Speaker 3: a funeral? Well exactly, feel like one hundred you don't 255 00:12:11,791 --> 00:12:15,351 Speaker 3: feel right having a laugh with your cousins because someone, 256 00:12:15,831 --> 00:12:18,271 Speaker 3: you know, the coffins there, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 257 00:12:18,271 --> 00:12:21,471 Speaker 3: you know, so we don't really go to weddings. I've 258 00:12:21,471 --> 00:12:24,671 Speaker 3: been at two weddings in my life, two weddings, and 259 00:12:24,711 --> 00:12:27,831 Speaker 3: I never knew anyone in my family to get married. Yeah, 260 00:12:27,871 --> 00:12:30,951 Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure one they're probably financial. There's money 261 00:12:30,991 --> 00:12:33,591 Speaker 3: behind it, there's reasons behind it. But for mob to 262 00:12:33,631 --> 00:12:36,751 Speaker 3: come together, and I love that about our people in 263 00:12:36,831 --> 00:12:39,511 Speaker 3: terms of that sense of community. How have you been 264 00:12:39,591 --> 00:12:45,071 Speaker 3: able to one ground yourself and culture to keep doing 265 00:12:45,471 --> 00:12:46,551 Speaker 3: the work that you're doing. 266 00:12:46,871 --> 00:12:48,591 Speaker 5: I think the thing that saved me when I went 267 00:12:48,591 --> 00:12:51,031 Speaker 5: through that time was because I was I was really 268 00:12:51,031 --> 00:12:52,991 Speaker 5: afraid that I brought a lot of shame to the family, 269 00:12:53,151 --> 00:12:55,991 Speaker 5: you know, And so I called up my elders and 270 00:12:56,231 --> 00:12:58,151 Speaker 5: you know, I kind of said, look, this is what 271 00:12:58,191 --> 00:13:00,351 Speaker 5: I've done. I want to apologize, and like here's what 272 00:13:00,391 --> 00:13:02,911 Speaker 5: I was trying to do. And all of my elders went, yeah, 273 00:13:02,911 --> 00:13:04,431 Speaker 5: it's very obvious that's what you're trying to do. I 274 00:13:04,431 --> 00:13:07,431 Speaker 5: don't know who's getting at you, you know, And I said, oh, no, 275 00:13:07,591 --> 00:13:10,111 Speaker 5: you know, like I see their point and everything. You know, 276 00:13:10,591 --> 00:13:13,111 Speaker 5: same time, you know, if you apologize, it makes it 277 00:13:13,151 --> 00:13:15,271 Speaker 5: seem like you did have intention. Like that's the whole thing. 278 00:13:15,311 --> 00:13:17,831 Speaker 5: It's really hard to know how to handle the situation. 279 00:13:18,831 --> 00:13:22,071 Speaker 5: And they said, come up here and just ground yourself 280 00:13:22,071 --> 00:13:24,831 Speaker 5: back on the country. And my auntie took me out 281 00:13:24,911 --> 00:13:28,511 Speaker 5: to these big carry pines on our like so Lake 282 00:13:28,511 --> 00:13:30,071 Speaker 5: Breena up there, that's my country. 283 00:13:30,471 --> 00:13:32,471 Speaker 4: And she took me up to the carry pines. 284 00:13:32,671 --> 00:13:35,671 Speaker 5: They're really old trees and she said, these are your 285 00:13:35,671 --> 00:13:36,311 Speaker 5: real elders. 286 00:13:36,431 --> 00:13:38,551 Speaker 4: She went. You know why she made me stand next 287 00:13:38,591 --> 00:13:40,271 Speaker 4: to this big tree, you know. 288 00:13:41,231 --> 00:13:42,271 Speaker 1: All over my body. 289 00:13:42,631 --> 00:13:46,511 Speaker 5: Yeah, this changed everything for me, it really did. She said, 290 00:13:46,511 --> 00:13:48,951 Speaker 5: see these trees here, she said. 291 00:13:48,951 --> 00:13:51,071 Speaker 4: Now they've been here. They're thousands of years old. 292 00:13:51,191 --> 00:13:54,151 Speaker 5: She went, They've looked after at least a thousand generations 293 00:13:54,391 --> 00:13:57,231 Speaker 5: of your people, right, she went, Now, what I want 294 00:13:57,271 --> 00:13:59,071 Speaker 5: you to do is look, they're fatter at the bottom. 295 00:13:59,231 --> 00:14:01,231 Speaker 4: That's like your belly. She went. 296 00:14:01,831 --> 00:14:03,551 Speaker 5: And they got scars all the way up and where 297 00:14:03,751 --> 00:14:06,911 Speaker 5: been hit by lightning or fire, you know. And she went, 298 00:14:06,951 --> 00:14:09,711 Speaker 5: but they keep on growing up so they can grow 299 00:14:09,791 --> 00:14:14,391 Speaker 5: out and they shade, They take care of the land. 300 00:14:14,951 --> 00:14:17,271 Speaker 5: They feed us because they've got these nuts on them. 301 00:14:17,551 --> 00:14:19,231 Speaker 5: And she went, what they do is they keep on 302 00:14:19,271 --> 00:14:22,271 Speaker 5: pushing up so that they can spread their light. And 303 00:14:22,311 --> 00:14:25,191 Speaker 5: she went, they got roots underground, and you know, you 304 00:14:25,311 --> 00:14:27,831 Speaker 5: need to make sure that your roots are sturdy, and 305 00:14:27,871 --> 00:14:30,151 Speaker 5: you just keep on growing up. Don't get caught grown 306 00:14:30,231 --> 00:14:34,391 Speaker 5: out at this part. You go up and that's how 307 00:14:34,431 --> 00:14:35,951 Speaker 5: you provide. That's how to be generous. 308 00:14:35,951 --> 00:14:38,751 Speaker 3: I can imagine stuff in that moment, what it must 309 00:14:38,831 --> 00:14:39,391 Speaker 3: have felt like. 310 00:14:39,431 --> 00:14:39,711 Speaker 1: Things. 311 00:14:39,751 --> 00:14:42,751 Speaker 3: Now, this makes sense to me how our old people 312 00:14:42,911 --> 00:14:46,831 Speaker 3: can use our environment, but on our own country even 313 00:14:46,831 --> 00:14:47,471 Speaker 3: more powerful. 314 00:14:48,551 --> 00:14:51,191 Speaker 5: And I even just remember, you know, like the kind 315 00:14:51,231 --> 00:14:55,271 Speaker 5: of the conversation my Anie was having with me about 316 00:14:55,791 --> 00:15:00,471 Speaker 5: you know, kind of how why why well, you know, 317 00:15:00,551 --> 00:15:02,231 Speaker 5: got to kind of lean on each other and remember that, 318 00:15:02,631 --> 00:15:05,311 Speaker 5: you know, one person can be affected by their own 319 00:15:05,351 --> 00:15:07,871 Speaker 5: trauma or their own story, but as a people, we 320 00:15:07,951 --> 00:15:10,111 Speaker 5: all come together. And she was explaining about, you know, 321 00:15:10,471 --> 00:15:13,311 Speaker 5: when the wattle, when the wattle flowers fall on the 322 00:15:14,351 --> 00:15:17,511 Speaker 5: on the creek, right the flowers, then the little bugs 323 00:15:17,511 --> 00:15:19,071 Speaker 5: come there. So then the little bugs that live on 324 00:15:19,111 --> 00:15:21,551 Speaker 5: top of the water or the tree trunks come out there, 325 00:15:21,551 --> 00:15:23,351 Speaker 5: and they might fall into the water, which brings in 326 00:15:23,351 --> 00:15:24,631 Speaker 5: the smaller fish, which brings. 327 00:15:24,391 --> 00:15:25,351 Speaker 4: In the bigger fish. 328 00:15:25,431 --> 00:15:29,311 Speaker 5: And so she was just talking about the interconnectedness of everything, 329 00:15:29,871 --> 00:15:33,511 Speaker 5: and it just made me go, Okay, well, even if 330 00:15:34,031 --> 00:15:37,951 Speaker 5: I have copped this backlash, it's fine. I know that 331 00:15:37,991 --> 00:15:40,231 Speaker 5: what it's taught me is that that's not actually the 332 00:15:40,271 --> 00:15:42,631 Speaker 5: right world for me. And I'd been quite sad and 333 00:15:42,671 --> 00:15:45,591 Speaker 5: lonely in that space anyway, and it'd become quite a 334 00:15:45,671 --> 00:15:48,791 Speaker 5: dangerous place to be for the DV stuff anyway, and 335 00:15:48,831 --> 00:15:50,751 Speaker 5: I was like, I need to step away from this 336 00:15:51,271 --> 00:15:54,751 Speaker 5: because I'm not strong enough to either completely back myself 337 00:15:55,431 --> 00:15:58,471 Speaker 5: or to say the right thing in the first instance. 338 00:15:58,551 --> 00:15:59,151 Speaker 4: Do you know what I mean? 339 00:15:59,151 --> 00:16:01,471 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a lot of in our self work 340 00:16:02,231 --> 00:16:05,791 Speaker 3: or just time way yeah, yeah, to reflect. 341 00:16:05,951 --> 00:16:08,551 Speaker 5: And it made all the difference in the world because 342 00:16:08,591 --> 00:16:12,351 Speaker 5: then I could, I don't know, think about who I 343 00:16:12,391 --> 00:16:16,191 Speaker 5: am and what I want and then you know, I 344 00:16:16,271 --> 00:16:21,991 Speaker 5: sort of randomly fell into acting and then that felt 345 00:16:22,031 --> 00:16:25,071 Speaker 5: like more of a space for me because it's not 346 00:16:25,231 --> 00:16:30,631 Speaker 5: lonely and it's supportive, and because every time that I'm 347 00:16:30,671 --> 00:16:32,391 Speaker 5: on screen, if I see a script, I go, no, no, 348 00:16:32,511 --> 00:16:34,991 Speaker 5: this is a black character now, and I am you know, 349 00:16:35,391 --> 00:16:36,111 Speaker 5: bring that. 350 00:16:36,031 --> 00:16:39,591 Speaker 3: Advocate what you're what you've learned, you've been able to 351 00:16:39,671 --> 00:16:42,871 Speaker 3: now use it in another space, Yeah, to make sure 352 00:16:42,911 --> 00:16:45,031 Speaker 3: that yeah, people are well, the. 353 00:16:45,311 --> 00:16:46,671 Speaker 1: Coolest thing is the right way. 354 00:16:46,791 --> 00:16:49,431 Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, I can advocate in a way that I 355 00:16:49,471 --> 00:16:52,391 Speaker 5: couldn't advocate before when it's just yourself it's all wrapped 356 00:16:52,431 --> 00:16:55,351 Speaker 5: up in your own biases and your own personal fears 357 00:16:55,431 --> 00:16:56,071 Speaker 5: and all of that. 358 00:16:56,191 --> 00:16:56,391 Speaker 4: Right. 359 00:16:56,751 --> 00:16:59,111 Speaker 5: But so here's an example of the coolest thing that happened. 360 00:16:59,471 --> 00:17:03,511 Speaker 5: So I was approached to write on a BBC show 361 00:17:03,631 --> 00:17:08,591 Speaker 5: Australian adaptation of BBC Show and Broke because I'm broke man. 362 00:17:08,911 --> 00:17:10,271 Speaker 5: So they say, oh, you know, do you want this 363 00:17:10,311 --> 00:17:13,071 Speaker 5: writing job? And I said, look, they said, oh, do 364 00:17:13,111 --> 00:17:13,991 Speaker 5: you want to take anything? 365 00:17:14,071 --> 00:17:14,271 Speaker 4: No? 366 00:17:14,271 --> 00:17:15,271 Speaker 5: No, but they said, oh, you want to be the 367 00:17:15,271 --> 00:17:17,231 Speaker 5: cultural consultant. And I went, that's not I don't have 368 00:17:17,351 --> 00:17:19,671 Speaker 5: knowledge of I don't have enough knowledge of cultural protocol. 369 00:17:19,671 --> 00:17:22,431 Speaker 5: I said, like, a cultural consultant is so different to 370 00:17:22,471 --> 00:17:25,711 Speaker 5: a writer and I said I'm still learning, you know, yeah, 371 00:17:25,751 --> 00:17:28,191 Speaker 5: And I said, you need to distinguish these two. These 372 00:17:28,191 --> 00:17:31,271 Speaker 5: are two completely separate roles. If you're asking me to write, 373 00:17:31,671 --> 00:17:33,071 Speaker 5: you don't get to ask me to also be the 374 00:17:33,071 --> 00:17:35,591 Speaker 5: cultural consultant, you know. And I said, those are two 375 00:17:35,591 --> 00:17:37,991 Speaker 5: separate roles. If you want to do this correctly, then 376 00:17:37,991 --> 00:17:40,271 Speaker 5: you need to have at least two black writers. 377 00:17:40,231 --> 00:17:41,551 Speaker 4: And a cultural consultant. 378 00:17:41,951 --> 00:17:44,271 Speaker 5: And I thought to myself, I'll just talk myself out 379 00:17:44,311 --> 00:17:46,631 Speaker 5: of cash injection I could have used, right, but they 380 00:17:46,671 --> 00:17:49,151 Speaker 5: turned around, they went, yeah, you're right, and they gave 381 00:17:49,191 --> 00:17:50,871 Speaker 5: me the job plus two other blackfellows. 382 00:17:51,351 --> 00:17:52,991 Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, you. 383 00:17:53,151 --> 00:17:55,111 Speaker 1: Created space for others to come in. 384 00:17:55,391 --> 00:17:59,311 Speaker 5: Yeah, because I advocated, you know, And I go, okay, 385 00:17:59,431 --> 00:18:02,031 Speaker 5: that's that's what I can do. Is that when you're 386 00:18:02,071 --> 00:18:05,631 Speaker 5: in spaces where you've I don't know, you get this 387 00:18:05,831 --> 00:18:08,631 Speaker 5: like I knew. So I originally studied law and journalism. 388 00:18:08,671 --> 00:18:10,951 Speaker 5: I thought I wanted to write policy and give speeches 389 00:18:10,991 --> 00:18:12,791 Speaker 5: and be a politician. All that I wanted was to 390 00:18:12,871 --> 00:18:16,951 Speaker 5: change things for my people. Right, my Nan was under 391 00:18:16,951 --> 00:18:20,791 Speaker 5: the exemption, right, which is still shameful I think for 392 00:18:20,831 --> 00:18:24,591 Speaker 5: a lot of black follows. So so your Nan was 393 00:18:24,711 --> 00:18:29,031 Speaker 5: exempt from the Protection of Our Brigines Act, which meant 394 00:18:29,031 --> 00:18:31,151 Speaker 5: your Nan was a free woman and not. 395 00:18:31,671 --> 00:18:32,791 Speaker 1: Still under surveillance. 396 00:18:32,871 --> 00:18:35,951 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, right, anytimes she'd go back under that 397 00:18:35,991 --> 00:18:38,031 Speaker 3: Protection Act, but that exemption. 398 00:18:38,831 --> 00:18:40,871 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a bit of shame there. 399 00:18:40,871 --> 00:18:41,791 Speaker 4: Big shame. I think. 400 00:18:41,911 --> 00:18:43,671 Speaker 5: I think that's still well when you look back at 401 00:18:43,671 --> 00:18:45,191 Speaker 5: any of that. We've got all the archives. 402 00:18:45,431 --> 00:18:48,671 Speaker 1: Because they had to live white, yeah they did. 403 00:18:48,711 --> 00:18:50,791 Speaker 5: They weren't allowed to speak language, they weren't allowed to 404 00:18:51,391 --> 00:18:52,391 Speaker 5: hang with other black follows. 405 00:18:52,471 --> 00:18:54,711 Speaker 1: Unless they reproved because are exempted. 406 00:18:54,751 --> 00:18:59,151 Speaker 3: So if you had your exemption certificate, you basically met 407 00:18:59,191 --> 00:19:02,471 Speaker 3: the criteria to live a white life. 408 00:19:02,391 --> 00:19:05,911 Speaker 5: Yeah, like in the archives, because it was my great granddad. 409 00:19:06,191 --> 00:19:10,471 Speaker 5: He like in the archives, it says is good for Abbo, right, 410 00:19:10,551 --> 00:19:16,031 Speaker 5: Like it's awful and you spoken about yeah, and it 411 00:19:16,111 --> 00:19:19,911 Speaker 5: was because he spoke English and that was like you know, 412 00:19:20,231 --> 00:19:22,671 Speaker 5: and then he was indentured labor because all of his 413 00:19:23,111 --> 00:19:25,711 Speaker 5: money was sent back to the government and given back 414 00:19:25,751 --> 00:19:29,631 Speaker 5: to him in rations, right, but he didn't want the captivity. 415 00:19:29,711 --> 00:19:30,671 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was awful. 416 00:19:30,751 --> 00:19:33,431 Speaker 5: It was awful, but it just meant that his the 417 00:19:33,511 --> 00:19:37,151 Speaker 5: kids weren't taken right. And so when my mom was 418 00:19:37,191 --> 00:19:39,871 Speaker 5: growing up, she said her mum was like, don't talk 419 00:19:39,951 --> 00:19:43,311 Speaker 5: about it, you follow the rules because of everything that 420 00:19:43,351 --> 00:19:47,991 Speaker 5: she went through. And so it was survival since yeah, yeah, yeah, 421 00:19:48,031 --> 00:19:51,751 Speaker 5: big time exactly. But I think all I'm getting at 422 00:19:51,911 --> 00:19:54,631 Speaker 5: is that like, basically I think that there is this 423 00:19:54,631 --> 00:19:57,351 Speaker 5: this undercurrent that must have existed at the time, just 424 00:19:57,391 --> 00:20:00,311 Speaker 5: riadding between the lines and the kind of the the archives, 425 00:20:00,351 --> 00:20:02,751 Speaker 5: and that that that was giving up or giving in, 426 00:20:03,231 --> 00:20:06,391 Speaker 5: right and so and so I was so passionate, right 427 00:20:06,471 --> 00:20:09,551 Speaker 5: because I was like I can see that the disconnection 428 00:20:09,711 --> 00:20:13,471 Speaker 5: that I feel is because of all of this. Right, 429 00:20:13,551 --> 00:20:15,151 Speaker 5: and so I was like, all I want to do 430 00:20:15,231 --> 00:20:18,111 Speaker 5: is create be in spaces where I can change policy 431 00:20:18,551 --> 00:20:20,151 Speaker 5: and actually add that people. 432 00:20:20,191 --> 00:20:22,511 Speaker 1: Did you go to law school? Yeah, I studied Laura journalist. 433 00:20:22,511 --> 00:20:23,431 Speaker 1: That's when I started with this. 434 00:20:23,551 --> 00:20:24,871 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 435 00:20:24,871 --> 00:20:26,671 Speaker 3: You thought you were going to write policies and advocate 436 00:20:26,791 --> 00:20:29,951 Speaker 3: for people. Yeah, because you started looking at the archives. 437 00:20:30,031 --> 00:20:30,431 Speaker 4: Yeah. 438 00:20:30,511 --> 00:20:33,951 Speaker 1: Yeah, when had happened to your yeah, exact great grandfather. Yeah. 439 00:20:33,991 --> 00:20:36,991 Speaker 5: And then and then I went, okay, I got halfway 440 00:20:37,031 --> 00:20:38,991 Speaker 5: through the degree and went, oh my god, this is 441 00:20:39,111 --> 00:20:42,831 Speaker 5: the worst. And then I quite accidentally fell into stand 442 00:20:42,871 --> 00:20:44,791 Speaker 5: up and it's a long story, but I got dad 443 00:20:44,831 --> 00:20:46,031 Speaker 5: to do it, and I did it and it went 444 00:20:46,071 --> 00:20:48,591 Speaker 5: really well, right, and I went, now that if I 445 00:20:48,591 --> 00:20:50,831 Speaker 5: can build a platform there that. 446 00:20:51,031 --> 00:20:52,711 Speaker 1: You found all exists. 447 00:20:52,791 --> 00:20:55,991 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's what my elders always saying that my 448 00:20:56,031 --> 00:20:59,391 Speaker 5: auntie Annie San she's passed now, but she always said 449 00:20:59,391 --> 00:21:01,511 Speaker 5: to me, you know, that's the old people like they 450 00:21:01,671 --> 00:21:05,111 Speaker 5: they because every time I'd veer off that path, something's happened, happened. 451 00:21:05,591 --> 00:21:09,551 Speaker 3: We need to get stories out there to the broader community. 452 00:21:09,551 --> 00:21:11,791 Speaker 3: But in particular, there's not enough for our own mob. 453 00:21:11,951 --> 00:21:12,511 Speaker 4: No, there's not. 454 00:21:12,751 --> 00:21:16,071 Speaker 1: You can ring one three yarn, I do often, do you. 455 00:21:16,151 --> 00:21:18,511 Speaker 4: That's actually a big thing for me. That's that's what 456 00:21:18,591 --> 00:21:19,591 Speaker 4: got me out of that space. 457 00:21:19,751 --> 00:21:22,231 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so laster. 458 00:21:22,191 --> 00:21:24,151 Speaker 5: You tell people about one three y Yeah, so one 459 00:21:24,191 --> 00:21:27,391 Speaker 5: three yarn is it's like lifeline but for black fellows. 460 00:21:27,751 --> 00:21:30,151 Speaker 5: And you speak to black people so they get it. 461 00:21:30,191 --> 00:21:32,271 Speaker 5: You don't have to spend half your time explaining. And 462 00:21:32,431 --> 00:21:34,431 Speaker 5: then this happened. But oh that's only upsetting because of this. 463 00:21:34,551 --> 00:21:36,351 Speaker 3: You know, you don't want to tell them everything because 464 00:21:36,351 --> 00:21:37,671 Speaker 3: then you feel like you're getting judged. 465 00:21:37,791 --> 00:21:41,991 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly right, honestly, Like, yeah, but one three yarn 466 00:21:42,271 --> 00:21:43,991 Speaker 5: they get it. They get all the nuance, they get 467 00:21:44,031 --> 00:21:45,751 Speaker 5: all the different parts of it. And I use one 468 00:21:45,831 --> 00:21:47,831 Speaker 5: three yarn a lot, especially through that time. 469 00:21:47,991 --> 00:21:52,951 Speaker 3: Well, running marathons is a is a big kind of 470 00:21:53,831 --> 00:21:57,151 Speaker 3: I don't know, from writing books and being a writer 471 00:21:57,911 --> 00:22:00,711 Speaker 3: and then are doing stand up comedy. Yeah, sis, when 472 00:22:00,751 --> 00:22:04,151 Speaker 3: I saw your post about this doc go that you're 473 00:22:04,151 --> 00:22:07,231 Speaker 3: working on, Yeah, have it running a marathon. I'm not joking. 474 00:22:07,631 --> 00:22:09,471 Speaker 3: I haven't said this to my husband. I'm like, if 475 00:22:09,511 --> 00:22:13,271 Speaker 3: she can do it, I can yeah, literally on training. 476 00:22:13,351 --> 00:22:16,591 Speaker 3: You're training and you've lost a lot of weight. Yes, yes, so. 477 00:22:16,591 --> 00:22:19,951 Speaker 5: At the moment, I've lost thirty three and a half kilos, Yes, I've. 478 00:22:20,391 --> 00:22:22,511 Speaker 5: But the biggest coolest thing is just the yeah, the 479 00:22:22,591 --> 00:22:24,431 Speaker 5: running and the reason why I decided to run a 480 00:22:24,471 --> 00:22:27,551 Speaker 5: marathon was, yeah, my mental health was poor and my 481 00:22:27,631 --> 00:22:31,831 Speaker 5: physical health was poor, and I just was like, looked 482 00:22:31,831 --> 00:22:35,431 Speaker 5: at through my life, every major trauma has been associated 483 00:22:35,431 --> 00:22:37,951 Speaker 5: with a huge weight gain, right, Like, my weight has 484 00:22:38,031 --> 00:22:40,271 Speaker 5: always been tied up with my mental health, and I went, 485 00:22:40,831 --> 00:22:42,191 Speaker 5: why aren't we talking about that? 486 00:22:42,391 --> 00:22:44,311 Speaker 4: I just couldn't find. 487 00:22:44,111 --> 00:22:46,511 Speaker 5: What I wanted to learn, and so I was like, 488 00:22:46,791 --> 00:22:48,751 Speaker 5: all right, I'm going to do a documentary. And the 489 00:22:48,791 --> 00:22:51,071 Speaker 5: other side of this is I was like, if I 490 00:22:51,111 --> 00:22:54,031 Speaker 5: have a documentary crew with me or producers, then I'm 491 00:22:54,031 --> 00:22:54,991 Speaker 5: not allowed to give. 492 00:22:54,871 --> 00:22:57,631 Speaker 1: Up, right, It's accountability. 493 00:22:57,791 --> 00:23:01,511 Speaker 5: Yeah, And so I reached out to a producer and 494 00:23:01,751 --> 00:23:03,871 Speaker 5: like a few put together something I said to a 495 00:23:03,871 --> 00:23:04,991 Speaker 5: production company and they were. 496 00:23:04,911 --> 00:23:08,351 Speaker 1: Like, still do it, yeah, And so we started. 497 00:23:08,391 --> 00:23:10,671 Speaker 5: And then I actually had a group of support around 498 00:23:10,671 --> 00:23:12,351 Speaker 5: me to help me get in touch with the right people. 499 00:23:12,431 --> 00:23:13,631 Speaker 4: So I'm training with. 500 00:23:13,751 --> 00:23:17,271 Speaker 5: Deadly runners and then as well, my life has completely 501 00:23:17,351 --> 00:23:21,551 Speaker 5: changed because the side effects of doing it as a doco, right, 502 00:23:21,671 --> 00:23:24,191 Speaker 5: so I have to keep video diaries. I don't know, 503 00:23:24,231 --> 00:23:26,871 Speaker 5: there's something you can write something in a with your 504 00:23:26,871 --> 00:23:28,751 Speaker 5: pen and paper and read it back and go oh God. 505 00:23:29,111 --> 00:23:30,511 Speaker 1: When you have to look at. 506 00:23:30,391 --> 00:23:33,351 Speaker 5: Your own face and cry to your own self and 507 00:23:33,391 --> 00:23:35,791 Speaker 5: then watch it back, you both get perspective and a 508 00:23:35,791 --> 00:23:39,671 Speaker 5: little bit more kind of compassion for yourself as well, 509 00:23:39,751 --> 00:23:42,431 Speaker 5: you know, like I'm full of self loathing, but having 510 00:23:42,471 --> 00:23:43,631 Speaker 5: to watch myself and go, oh, you don't need to 511 00:23:43,671 --> 00:23:45,751 Speaker 5: stress that much, steph. You know that kind of being 512 00:23:45,751 --> 00:23:49,111 Speaker 5: able to see yourself from a different perspective. So that's helped. 513 00:23:49,431 --> 00:23:52,471 Speaker 5: I also stop dating men. That's number one. 514 00:23:52,631 --> 00:23:55,831 Speaker 1: Look at sorry shop shop for your fellers. 515 00:23:57,191 --> 00:23:59,191 Speaker 5: This friend of mine, on one of the jobs I 516 00:23:59,231 --> 00:24:01,271 Speaker 5: was doing, said aren't you queer? And I went no, 517 00:24:01,351 --> 00:24:04,191 Speaker 5: and she went, yes you are. We had a big 518 00:24:04,271 --> 00:24:06,871 Speaker 5: yellow maybe I am. Maybe I am, because she just 519 00:24:07,111 --> 00:24:10,151 Speaker 5: she just said to me, you know, like it's about people, 520 00:24:10,191 --> 00:24:12,071 Speaker 5: and I just went, that is true. I've never given 521 00:24:12,071 --> 00:24:15,231 Speaker 5: a ship. And then you never labeled yourself. Well, I 522 00:24:15,391 --> 00:24:17,631 Speaker 5: just had always dated men and then. 523 00:24:17,951 --> 00:24:19,311 Speaker 1: And yeah, a minute, what are you married up? 524 00:24:19,311 --> 00:24:19,431 Speaker 2: Now? 525 00:24:19,471 --> 00:24:22,151 Speaker 1: Are you I've never been happier. 526 00:24:23,071 --> 00:24:30,911 Speaker 5: She's the most wonderful person I've ever show. Jesseurned that way, 527 00:24:32,151 --> 00:24:34,751 Speaker 5: She's She's just the most wonderful, beautiful I've never had 528 00:24:34,751 --> 00:24:35,311 Speaker 5: a healthy life. 529 00:24:35,351 --> 00:24:37,471 Speaker 3: I was going to say to you, who who is 530 00:24:37,511 --> 00:24:38,231 Speaker 3: your community? 531 00:24:38,231 --> 00:24:41,191 Speaker 1: How how do they support you? And who are they? 532 00:24:41,271 --> 00:24:42,711 Speaker 1: And then you mentioned Jesse. 533 00:24:43,031 --> 00:24:46,071 Speaker 5: Well, Jesse is probably the big one for me, like 534 00:24:46,431 --> 00:24:49,191 Speaker 5: at the moment, you know, but my brothers. I'm really 535 00:24:49,191 --> 00:24:51,311 Speaker 5: close with my brothers and you know, my mum and 536 00:24:51,351 --> 00:24:54,751 Speaker 5: my dad and we've always been quite tight in insula. 537 00:24:55,791 --> 00:24:58,311 Speaker 5: I've made it a really big focus of mine ever 538 00:24:58,351 --> 00:25:02,351 Speaker 5: since I did the comedy All Stars, because Kevin is 539 00:25:02,351 --> 00:25:04,231 Speaker 5: my greatest mentor my life. 540 00:25:04,311 --> 00:25:05,311 Speaker 4: Yep, Kevin Crapinery. 541 00:25:05,791 --> 00:25:08,191 Speaker 5: He's one of the most important men in my life 542 00:25:08,231 --> 00:25:11,271 Speaker 5: and he changed everything for me as well, because when 543 00:25:11,311 --> 00:25:13,471 Speaker 5: I kind of started doing stand up, I said, oh, well, 544 00:25:13,471 --> 00:25:15,271 Speaker 5: I probably shouldn't talk in those spaces. 545 00:25:15,271 --> 00:25:16,231 Speaker 4: I'm not black enough. You know. 546 00:25:16,271 --> 00:25:18,591 Speaker 5: I'm still working on my connection and was really in 547 00:25:18,591 --> 00:25:21,631 Speaker 5: the process of trying to find my feet on country 548 00:25:21,671 --> 00:25:24,471 Speaker 5: and spend more time there and that. And he's like, Sis, 549 00:25:24,511 --> 00:25:27,591 Speaker 5: that's how that's how yng Like he said, you know, 550 00:25:27,831 --> 00:25:30,551 Speaker 5: that's that's true for a lot of black fellows out there, 551 00:25:30,871 --> 00:25:33,551 Speaker 5: that we live in two worlds, and that's all part 552 00:25:33,591 --> 00:25:35,591 Speaker 5: of it. He said, I recognize it was a privilege 553 00:25:35,591 --> 00:25:37,751 Speaker 5: for me to grow up in my community with my 554 00:25:37,791 --> 00:25:41,511 Speaker 5: culture around me. But you know, like it's harder to 555 00:25:41,551 --> 00:25:44,271 Speaker 5: do that, you know, like, And so he said, I 556 00:25:44,311 --> 00:25:46,631 Speaker 5: want you to I want you to speak for our people, 557 00:25:46,751 --> 00:25:48,391 Speaker 5: you know, because he used to do a lot of things. 558 00:25:48,431 --> 00:25:50,591 Speaker 5: And he said, I'll get you to start touring with us. 559 00:25:50,991 --> 00:25:52,511 Speaker 5: And I was living out of my car. I was 560 00:25:52,551 --> 00:25:56,271 Speaker 5: broke as anything, and I was struggling, and I don't 561 00:25:56,271 --> 00:25:58,591 Speaker 5: have any money. I was working too much in comedy 562 00:25:58,631 --> 00:26:01,031 Speaker 5: to have a full time job, but wasn't working making 563 00:26:01,071 --> 00:26:01,991 Speaker 5: enough money to you. 564 00:26:01,951 --> 00:26:02,751 Speaker 1: Know, stay myself. 565 00:26:02,831 --> 00:26:05,791 Speaker 5: Yeah, So he would get me on tour and then 566 00:26:05,831 --> 00:26:08,631 Speaker 5: he'd say to the boys, all right, you follows, let's 567 00:26:08,631 --> 00:26:10,271 Speaker 5: give a little bit of our money Steph's way because 568 00:26:10,311 --> 00:26:11,191 Speaker 5: she's sleeping in the car. 569 00:26:11,271 --> 00:26:12,031 Speaker 1: Are you serious? 570 00:26:12,111 --> 00:26:13,871 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is what he used to do, right, So 571 00:26:14,151 --> 00:26:17,111 Speaker 5: he did these kind things for me. I love our 572 00:26:17,151 --> 00:26:19,751 Speaker 5: mob so much, But how much even better than that? 573 00:26:19,871 --> 00:26:20,471 Speaker 4: Is this? Right? 574 00:26:20,511 --> 00:26:22,871 Speaker 5: Because he everything he ever told me has changed me 575 00:26:22,911 --> 00:26:25,071 Speaker 5: as a personal He's to say when you love your audience, 576 00:26:25,111 --> 00:26:26,591 Speaker 5: they love you back, which is true, and. 577 00:26:26,551 --> 00:26:27,631 Speaker 4: I always just put love out. 578 00:26:27,671 --> 00:26:30,951 Speaker 5: That's why I prefer live stand up instead of anything 579 00:26:30,951 --> 00:26:32,711 Speaker 5: for TV. I started hating when I was doing TV, 580 00:26:33,071 --> 00:26:36,351 Speaker 5: but then I this one day. I broke down because 581 00:26:36,351 --> 00:26:38,311 Speaker 5: I said, oh, how do I ever repay you for 582 00:26:38,351 --> 00:26:40,551 Speaker 5: everything you've done for me? Like you got me in 583 00:26:40,591 --> 00:26:42,471 Speaker 5: touch with this person and that gave me this gig 584 00:26:42,551 --> 00:26:43,791 Speaker 5: and now I'm doing this gig. 585 00:26:43,871 --> 00:26:45,511 Speaker 4: And I said, how can I ever repay you? 586 00:26:45,551 --> 00:26:47,551 Speaker 5: I was like in tears, and he said, hey, I 587 00:26:47,591 --> 00:26:50,231 Speaker 5: don't do this for and he you know, I don't 588 00:26:50,231 --> 00:26:53,591 Speaker 5: do this for get and payment in return. There's no expectations. Yeah, 589 00:26:53,711 --> 00:26:56,511 Speaker 5: he said, I'm not He said, I haven't done anything 590 00:26:56,511 --> 00:26:57,991 Speaker 5: for you. He said, all I did was open a 591 00:26:58,071 --> 00:27:02,551 Speaker 5: door for you. What I ask of you is you walked. 592 00:27:02,351 --> 00:27:03,031 Speaker 4: Through that door. 593 00:27:03,191 --> 00:27:04,511 Speaker 5: Now what I'm want you to do is hold that 594 00:27:04,551 --> 00:27:07,231 Speaker 5: door open for somebody else. And as soon as he 595 00:27:07,271 --> 00:27:09,471 Speaker 5: said that, I was out there like I was mentoring 596 00:27:09,471 --> 00:27:13,511 Speaker 5: different people, I was finding opportunities, I was making contacts 597 00:27:13,551 --> 00:27:16,511 Speaker 5: with different people and setting up all of this stuff 598 00:27:16,591 --> 00:27:19,511 Speaker 5: right so that there was a space for a mob 599 00:27:19,591 --> 00:27:22,031 Speaker 5: to come through. And I started you know, like I 600 00:27:22,111 --> 00:27:24,951 Speaker 5: was living with this comedian and I said, and he 601 00:27:25,031 --> 00:27:27,071 Speaker 5: was so good, but was trying to find, you know, 602 00:27:27,151 --> 00:27:29,191 Speaker 5: that big breakthrough thing. And so I spoke to my 603 00:27:29,511 --> 00:27:31,831 Speaker 5: management and I said, all right, that job that I 604 00:27:31,831 --> 00:27:33,791 Speaker 5: got and wanted anymore, we're giving it to this fuller 605 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,191 Speaker 5: was like you know, four grand and it was a 606 00:27:36,231 --> 00:27:38,271 Speaker 5: TV gig, and I said, I think he's ready. This 607 00:27:38,351 --> 00:27:39,831 Speaker 5: is what I needed to do. And then that set 608 00:27:39,871 --> 00:27:42,551 Speaker 5: off his career. And then next one came through, you know, 609 00:27:43,111 --> 00:27:44,791 Speaker 5: a corporate and I said, I don't need that money 610 00:27:44,831 --> 00:27:46,311 Speaker 5: right now. I mean I did, but you know, I 611 00:27:46,351 --> 00:27:47,511 Speaker 5: don't know. Here's another one. 612 00:27:47,551 --> 00:27:50,711 Speaker 1: And then someone was in need, in more need than you. 613 00:27:50,831 --> 00:27:53,831 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, because but that's what Kevin had taught me. 614 00:27:54,391 --> 00:27:58,711 Speaker 5: And all of a sudden I started to just build 615 00:27:58,751 --> 00:28:01,191 Speaker 5: community by going, well, that's that's what I was shown, 616 00:28:01,191 --> 00:28:02,271 Speaker 5: and that's what I'll show now. 617 00:28:02,631 --> 00:28:03,071 Speaker 1: I love that. 618 00:28:03,111 --> 00:28:07,631 Speaker 3: In terms of for a message to leave our audience listeners, 619 00:28:08,191 --> 00:28:11,391 Speaker 3: what kind of words, not of hope or wisdom, but 620 00:28:11,471 --> 00:28:16,031 Speaker 3: like just in terms of speaking to mob that are 621 00:28:16,031 --> 00:28:20,151 Speaker 3: listening right now, they might be trying to find their way. 622 00:28:20,471 --> 00:28:23,191 Speaker 3: I'm not too sure if they're doing what they're meant 623 00:28:23,231 --> 00:28:24,711 Speaker 3: to be doing. What would you say to them? 624 00:28:25,111 --> 00:28:27,631 Speaker 5: The big thing that got me through hard times and 625 00:28:27,671 --> 00:28:30,711 Speaker 5: I'm in a really good place now was I own 626 00:28:30,791 --> 00:28:33,711 Speaker 5: my truth and I own my story because that's the thing. 627 00:28:33,751 --> 00:28:36,911 Speaker 5: Nobody can tell you what your story is. And if 628 00:28:36,951 --> 00:28:39,031 Speaker 5: you own your truth and you own your story and 629 00:28:39,071 --> 00:28:42,231 Speaker 5: you speak vulnerable, I think the vulnerability is a big 630 00:28:42,311 --> 00:28:45,391 Speaker 5: key to it right, And I think that being authentic 631 00:28:45,511 --> 00:28:47,871 Speaker 5: is a big key. If you speak from your own 632 00:28:47,871 --> 00:28:51,471 Speaker 5: truth and from your own story, then it doesn't matter 633 00:28:51,471 --> 00:28:55,351 Speaker 5: if it's not the right or the perfect story, because 634 00:28:55,391 --> 00:28:57,111 Speaker 5: it's a true story, you know what I mean, Like 635 00:28:57,551 --> 00:29:02,271 Speaker 5: nobody's perfect, but everyone can tell truth. So just own 636 00:29:02,311 --> 00:29:04,391 Speaker 5: your own story, on your own truth would be my thing. 637 00:29:05,031 --> 00:29:06,311 Speaker 1: What a good way to finish up. 638 00:29:06,351 --> 00:29:10,071 Speaker 3: And I want everyone to literally especially our mob, to 639 00:29:10,111 --> 00:29:13,631 Speaker 3: read your book to start with that that's in audio books. 640 00:29:13,671 --> 00:29:15,791 Speaker 3: Steph is the voice and it feels like she's there 641 00:29:15,831 --> 00:29:18,311 Speaker 3: with your telling her yeah and her whole life. And 642 00:29:18,351 --> 00:29:20,991 Speaker 3: then you're quite approachable online as well, Like I see 643 00:29:20,991 --> 00:29:23,631 Speaker 3: people just reach out to you and probably DM you. 644 00:29:24,631 --> 00:29:26,511 Speaker 5: I'm off socials, I mean I'm on them, but my 645 00:29:26,591 --> 00:29:28,951 Speaker 5: management right so. 646 00:29:28,911 --> 00:29:30,751 Speaker 1: Much you wanted me, you got to do what you've 647 00:29:30,751 --> 00:29:32,511 Speaker 1: got to do. Yeah, yeah, you still got. 648 00:29:32,351 --> 00:29:34,551 Speaker 5: To be out there to say yeah, but my management 649 00:29:34,551 --> 00:29:37,071 Speaker 5: takes care of it and that you have removed all right. 650 00:29:37,071 --> 00:29:38,791 Speaker 3: Well, look, if you want to get in touch with Steph, 651 00:29:38,831 --> 00:29:43,471 Speaker 3: I know her peek my people, but you know, I 652 00:29:43,511 --> 00:29:46,551 Speaker 3: got you for life is close to my heart. Yeah, 653 00:29:47,111 --> 00:29:49,751 Speaker 3: the work that we do and trying to share these 654 00:29:50,231 --> 00:29:52,711 Speaker 3: stories and they're not always easy to hear, some of 655 00:29:52,711 --> 00:29:54,431 Speaker 3: our stories, and that's okay. 656 00:29:54,151 --> 00:29:55,391 Speaker 4: And they're not always easy to tell. 657 00:29:55,631 --> 00:29:57,951 Speaker 3: No, That's why I want to say thank you for 658 00:29:58,951 --> 00:30:02,231 Speaker 3: just straight away, no questions asked. You're like, I'll be there, 659 00:30:02,311 --> 00:30:06,591 Speaker 3: let's do this you but yeah, I'm really grateful that 660 00:30:06,711 --> 00:30:10,671 Speaker 3: you have loaned us, you know, your voice to this. 661 00:30:10,871 --> 00:30:13,431 Speaker 1: It's not a cause, but it's a. 662 00:30:13,511 --> 00:30:17,431 Speaker 3: Movement where we don't want people to worry alone, and 663 00:30:17,471 --> 00:30:19,671 Speaker 3: we want people to know that they are part of 664 00:30:19,711 --> 00:30:22,271 Speaker 3: a community and to make sure they reach out to 665 00:30:22,311 --> 00:30:26,791 Speaker 3: their community in times of yeah, just being you know, 666 00:30:27,351 --> 00:30:29,431 Speaker 3: I'm definitely always available for that, So I do check 667 00:30:29,471 --> 00:30:34,111 Speaker 3: my socials and any messages like that, I always they 668 00:30:34,271 --> 00:30:35,911 Speaker 3: always come through to me so deadly. 669 00:30:36,231 --> 00:30:38,351 Speaker 5: Anybody can hit me up for my phone number, give 670 00:30:38,351 --> 00:30:42,911 Speaker 5: me a cause, you need it, but she's married taken well. 671 00:30:42,951 --> 00:30:45,991 Speaker 3: On that note, I just want to say, keep doing 672 00:30:46,351 --> 00:30:49,151 Speaker 3: what you're doing, and thank you so much for being 673 00:30:49,151 --> 00:30:52,391 Speaker 3: part of the amazing series where we could talk about 674 00:30:52,391 --> 00:30:53,911 Speaker 3: mental health and well being. 675 00:30:54,351 --> 00:30:55,671 Speaker 4: Thank you. It's really special. 676 00:30:55,871 --> 00:31:00,071 Speaker 3: Yeah, just being black in our lived experience and yeah, yeah, 677 00:31:00,751 --> 00:31:03,631 Speaker 3: how deadly we are, how deadly you are. 678 00:31:03,991 --> 00:31:07,231 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you might come back from too. You are 679 00:31:07,311 --> 00:31:08,831 Speaker 5: not as bad as your worst moment. 680 00:31:08,951 --> 00:31:11,191 Speaker 1: I love this. I just want to go to another 681 00:31:11,271 --> 00:31:14,191 Speaker 1: stand up. Yes, want you, I'll be back. I can't wait. 682 00:31:14,511 --> 00:31:17,311 Speaker 3: Yeah, STEP's making a comeback, making a come back, and 683 00:31:17,351 --> 00:31:20,151 Speaker 3: I hope all you mob enjoyed this deadly yarn. 684 00:31:20,951 --> 00:31:22,471 Speaker 1: Now you know who Steph tisdill is. 685 00:31:22,711 --> 00:31:26,111 Speaker 3: And just remember I always say to people, man, we 686 00:31:26,231 --> 00:31:28,631 Speaker 3: got so much going for us. 687 00:31:29,151 --> 00:31:30,031 Speaker 1: As black fellows. 688 00:31:30,191 --> 00:31:34,711 Speaker 3: Absolutely don't focus on the negatives. There's too much positives 689 00:31:34,911 --> 00:31:38,951 Speaker 3: in our lives, opportunities out there in society. You know, 690 00:31:39,351 --> 00:31:41,551 Speaker 3: you know you've got to take I always say, you know, 691 00:31:41,671 --> 00:31:45,871 Speaker 3: my little ones as well, about taking control of their 692 00:31:45,911 --> 00:31:50,151 Speaker 3: own life and making them think about, you know, making 693 00:31:50,151 --> 00:31:54,511 Speaker 3: their own decisions, thinking for themselves. So supporting people, sharing stories, 694 00:31:54,511 --> 00:31:55,711 Speaker 3: but they're letting people. 695 00:31:55,591 --> 00:31:57,911 Speaker 5: One last thing you tell Sorry, one last thing. Do 696 00:31:57,951 --> 00:31:59,311 Speaker 5: you know what One of the best bit of advice 697 00:31:59,351 --> 00:32:02,391 Speaker 5: that I've got from one to three yarn was this 698 00:32:02,471 --> 00:32:05,351 Speaker 5: follower he said to me. The counselor on the phone said, 699 00:32:06,071 --> 00:32:09,671 Speaker 5: I know it feels really scary right now, but think 700 00:32:09,991 --> 00:32:12,271 Speaker 5: in twenty years just that thing that you did that 701 00:32:12,311 --> 00:32:13,831 Speaker 5: you felt like it was a mistake. Now, is it 702 00:32:13,871 --> 00:32:16,511 Speaker 5: going to have a positive outcome and nothing outcome or 703 00:32:16,631 --> 00:32:20,991 Speaker 5: negative outcome? And I was like, probably either positive or nothing, 704 00:32:21,551 --> 00:32:23,671 Speaker 5: you know. And that was a really big thing as 705 00:32:23,671 --> 00:32:26,671 Speaker 5: well as just putting things into context. So often we 706 00:32:26,711 --> 00:32:29,071 Speaker 5: can't do that when the world feels overwhelming. 707 00:32:28,671 --> 00:32:31,391 Speaker 3: Of course, and sometimes we need someone else to help 708 00:32:31,471 --> 00:32:34,391 Speaker 3: us think about Yeah, mon. 709 00:32:34,271 --> 00:32:38,111 Speaker 5: Three Yana change saved my life several times, so definitely 710 00:32:38,231 --> 00:32:38,511 Speaker 5: use that. 711 00:32:38,671 --> 00:32:41,231 Speaker 3: Sadly, well, look on that note, I hope all your 712 00:32:41,231 --> 00:32:45,471 Speaker 3: mob had the most amazing time listening to this. Yeah, 713 00:32:45,751 --> 00:32:48,911 Speaker 3: I just will say thank you, keep doing what you do. 714 00:32:49,271 --> 00:32:52,871 Speaker 3: And I can't wait to see the documentary. 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