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Speaker 2: It's just twenty minutes away from ten o'clock and as

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Speaker 2: we mentioned throughout the morning, Sky News is reporting that

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Department of Chief Minister and Cabinet is

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Speaker 2: investigating an incident involving Northern Territory Treaty Commissioner Mick Dodson.

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Speaker 2: Professor Dodson has been accused of threatening to assault a

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Speaker 2: woman and using sexually degrading language towards her at a football.

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Speaker 1: Game in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: The former Australian of the Year has not denied the allegations,

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Speaker 2: but says he has no recollection of the incident. Now.

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Speaker 1: We will speak further about this throughout the.

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Speaker 2: Morning, but joining me on the line right now is

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Speaker 2: the Federal Minister for Families and Social Services, Senator An Rustin.

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Speaker 1: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie.

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Speaker 1: Senator, thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Can I just ask you we have got this breaking

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Speaker 2: the Northern Territory Treaty Commissioner Mick Dodson. Professor Dodson has

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Speaker 1: Game in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: The former Australian of the Year, has not denied the allegations,

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Speaker 2: but says he has no recollection of the incident. Senator, obviously,

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Speaker 2: domestic violence and well family violence, I mean violence in

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Speaker 2: general against women is totally unacceptable and something that you

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Speaker 1: A lot about. What's your reaction upon hearing this allegation.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course I'm not going to make any comments

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Speaker 3: But you know, one of the things that we are very,

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Speaker 1: A minister.

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Speaker 2: The alleged victim here is, as we understand it, an

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, we have to address all of the

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Speaker 2: I mean, taking all of that into account, just going

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Speaker 3: Well, look, obviously I am unaware of the circumstances around

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Speaker 2: Well, and sadly, we've got terrible rates of domestic violence

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Speaker 2: And I know that nationwide there has been quite a

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Speaker 3: There's actually some really innovative ways that the states and

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Speaker 3: Well, yesterday I actually met with the Children's and Families

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Speaker 3: So I think the findings of the Productivity Commission give

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Speaker 3: I'm absolutely committed to making a difference and I really

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Speaker 3: We've got to make a difference and it's up with

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: One of those areas where you were hoping to make

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be mandatory now, is that it's

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Speaker 3: I'm actually quite quite happy about the decision, you know,

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Speaker 3: confident that wants Territorians realize that it's just like your

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Speaker 2: Well, Senator Ann Rustin now the Minister for Families and

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Speaker 2: Social Services, really appreciate your time this morning. Thanks so

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Speaker 2: much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: My pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Kay, thank you.