WEBVTT - Why NSW teachers are angry

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda

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<v Speaker 1>Bungelung Calcuttin woman from Gadighl country. The Daily oz acknowledges

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<v Speaker 1>Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres

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<v Speaker 1>first peoples of these countries, both past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Thursday,

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<v Speaker 2>the seventeenth of August. I'm Zara Seidler, I'm Sam Kauzlowski.

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<v Speaker 2>The Public school Teachers' union in New South Wales says

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<v Speaker 2>it's been betrayed by the New South Wales government in

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<v Speaker 2>wage negotiations and teachers are telling us they're frustrated too.

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<v Speaker 3>It does definitely feel like a kick in the gut.

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<v Speaker 4>We're just asking to be paid what we're worth, yet

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<v Speaker 4>we get slapped in the face.

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<v Speaker 2>So how did these negotiations break down and what's the

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<v Speaker 2>government's perspective on all of this. Our podcast producer Nina

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<v Speaker 2>is going to come on and explain all of it

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<v Speaker 2>in today deep dive. But first Sam, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>big night.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right.

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<v Speaker 6>Zara the Matilda's dream run in this FIFA World Cup

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<v Speaker 6>has come to an end. They went down to England

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<v Speaker 6>three to one last night in front of seventy five

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<v Speaker 6>thousand fans at Stadium Australia. Not even a Sam Kerr

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<v Speaker 6>wonder strike could get the Matilda's back in contention against

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<v Speaker 6>a very strong english side. They now face Spain in

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<v Speaker 6>the final of the World Cup on Sunday night. Australia

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<v Speaker 6>still has one more game. They'll play Sweden up in

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<v Speaker 6>Brisbane on Saturday night in the third verse fourth playoff.

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<v Speaker 6>I did just want to mention how incredibly proud all

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<v Speaker 6>Australians are of the Matilda's team and whilst they didn't

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<v Speaker 6>go all the way, I think that it was a

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<v Speaker 6>hugely successful tournament and undoubtedly has changed Australian sport forever

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<v Speaker 6>and for the better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yesterday, at national cabinet from all states and territories agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to set a target to build an extra two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand homes by mid twenty twenty nine. They also agreed

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<v Speaker 2>to enact nationally consistent laws for renters, but stopped short

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<v Speaker 2>of limiting how much rent can increase.

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<v Speaker 5>Cameras are being used at the new South Wales Queensland

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<v Speaker 5>border to stop the illegal movement of high risk materials

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<v Speaker 5>that could be carrying dangerous fire ants into New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 5>This comes after the New South Wales government added initial

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<v Speaker 5>movement restrictions in July. Fears have been raised as seasonal

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<v Speaker 5>demand for livestock, feed and landscaping supplies grow.

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<v Speaker 2>And the good news AI is being used to monitor

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<v Speaker 2>the movements of British animals in the wild. Tens of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of data files and thousands of hours of audio

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<v Speaker 2>have been used at three sites to identify the animals.

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<v Speaker 2>Researchers believe it could help protect Britain's biodiversity.

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<v Speaker 5>So for the last few weeks we've been encouraging you

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<v Speaker 5>to reach out to us and to tell us what

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<v Speaker 5>you want to hear here on this podcast. It can

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<v Speaker 5>be interviews or explainers, and last week someone left us

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<v Speaker 5>a message on Spotify saying, and I'll read it out

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<v Speaker 5>for you, please do a story on the New South

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<v Speaker 5>Wales teachers having their pay rise promise broken by Chris

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<v Speaker 5>Mins's governments. Our producer Nina has been on the case. Nina,

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<v Speaker 5>welcome back to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for having me Sam.

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<v Speaker 5>What can you tell me about this story.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I feel like last year we were talking a

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<v Speaker 7>lot about the teacher shortages, about teacher burnout. We did

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<v Speaker 7>an episode called Teachers told Us they Aren't Coping. So well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>we'll chuck that link in the show notes. But it

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<v Speaker 7>does feel like we haven't spoken about this in a while,

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<v Speaker 7>and I know from my teacher friends the issue definitely

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<v Speaker 7>hasn't gone away.

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<v Speaker 5>So set the scene for me with this story. What

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<v Speaker 5>are the main things to consider?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, as I said, it does all come back to

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<v Speaker 7>that sense of teacher burnout. Before I go any further, though, Sam,

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<v Speaker 7>I do just want to say I do know that

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<v Speaker 7>these issues affect teachers across the whole country. This is

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<v Speaker 7>not unique to New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a national issue exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>But I I'm going to be speaking a little bit

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<v Speaker 7>more about New South Wales in this episode just because

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<v Speaker 7>it's where we've seen a lot of the industrial action

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<v Speaker 7>and it's where we've seen this political escalation in the

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<v Speaker 7>last few weeks. So to come back to the context,

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<v Speaker 7>a report last week revealed that there are currently nine

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<v Speaker 7>hundred and twenty two permanent teacher vacancies in regional and

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<v Speaker 7>remote New South Wales. Schools earlier in the year, the

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<v Speaker 7>Teacher's Federation, so that's the union and we'll be speaking

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<v Speaker 7>about them quite a bit today, said that leaked Department

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<v Speaker 7>of Education figures. So almost one in five teachers are

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<v Speaker 7>leaving within their first five years of the profession and

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<v Speaker 7>that's double what it was a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>So tell me what's happening in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 7>Then, So just as a refresher, and I think we

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<v Speaker 7>spoke a little bit about this in that podcast episode

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<v Speaker 7>that I mentioned. In June last year, teachers in New

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<v Speaker 7>South Wales went on a twenty four hour strike calling

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<v Speaker 7>for better wages and better conditions. Then towards the end

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<v Speaker 7>of last year, public school teachers in New South Wales

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<v Speaker 7>did get something like a six percent pay rise, but

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<v Speaker 7>over two years with inflation at seven point three percent

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<v Speaker 7>at that point, the union said basically that wasn't good

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<v Speaker 7>enough for them.

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<v Speaker 5>So this was all happening while Dominic Pereite was the premier.

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<v Speaker 5>He obviously lost the election to Chris Mins. He's no

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<v Speaker 5>longer the premier. Chris Mins is in office, but this

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<v Speaker 5>issue is still ongoing. This was actually an election issue though,

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<v Speaker 5>So what did Chris Mins promise in his campaign.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I'm sure you remember Billy Fitzsimon's editor actually interviewed

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<v Speaker 7>Chrismins right before the election.

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<v Speaker 8>One thing that we keep hearing about is a significant

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<v Speaker 8>shortage of teachers and nurses, and a major issue for

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<v Speaker 8>both of those professions is pay. Would teachers and nurses

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<v Speaker 8>receive a pay rise in line with or above inflation

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<v Speaker 8>under a government you lead.

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<v Speaker 9>We can't promise that, and we're not going to the

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<v Speaker 9>election promising that. What we will say is that we

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<v Speaker 9>will sit down with essential workers in the state to

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<v Speaker 9>work out a fair bargain. Because you're right that there's

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<v Speaker 9>been a thirty percent decline in the number of school

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<v Speaker 9>leaders that are choosing to study education atsity, and if

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<v Speaker 9>that doesn't radically improve soon, if we don't get more

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<v Speaker 9>teachers in to the system, then the declining outcomes we're

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<v Speaker 9>seeing in education is just going to get worse, not better.

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<v Speaker 7>And so during the election, the Public School Teachers Union

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<v Speaker 7>really threw their support behind Chrismins.

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<v Speaker 10>For teachers, this election matters, it's about you, your students,

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<v Speaker 10>and our future.

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<v Speaker 7>So the union was saying that labor was committing to

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<v Speaker 7>really sit down with them and negotiate better wages and

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<v Speaker 7>conditions for the teachers in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 10>Federation has welcomed the labor commitments and we will make

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<v Speaker 10>sure they honor them if they win the election.

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<v Speaker 5>So the union was very much on Mins's side during

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<v Speaker 5>the campaign. He ends up winning the election, Labor is

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<v Speaker 5>instated into office.

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<v Speaker 7>What happens then, well, the sit down that everyone was

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<v Speaker 7>talking about, that did happen. And remember that labor and

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<v Speaker 7>the unions traditionally are very politically aligned, but both sides

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<v Speaker 7>have very different accounts of what actually happened when they

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<v Speaker 7>did sit down to have those meetings. What the union

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<v Speaker 7>is saying is that they had negotiations in April May

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<v Speaker 7>and again in June of this year, and that they

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<v Speaker 7>actually reached an agreement with the government that would have

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<v Speaker 7>seen salaries for graduate teachers. So those are kind of

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<v Speaker 7>your lower paid teatry level. Yes, they would have seen

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<v Speaker 7>a salary rise of around twelve percent, while the more

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<v Speaker 7>highly paid teachers would have seen an increase of around

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<v Speaker 7>eight percent. So that was the agreement that the union

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<v Speaker 7>said they reached with the government.

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<v Speaker 5>So if they reached an agreement in those discussions, where

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<v Speaker 5>does the contention come in Well.

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<v Speaker 7>What the union is saying is that the government has

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<v Speaker 7>walked away from that commitment and that they've been misled

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<v Speaker 7>by the government, who again remember they supported during the

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<v Speaker 7>last election campaigning on these very issues. The government did

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<v Speaker 7>make them another offer. Both sides agree on that, but Sam,

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<v Speaker 7>it's actually quite confusing to explain exactly what is currently

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<v Speaker 7>on the table. It's definitely not that eight to twelve

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<v Speaker 7>percent I was talking about before, but because negotiations are ongoing,

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<v Speaker 7>it's hard to get detail in terms of what they're

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<v Speaker 7>actually discussing right now. But it's safe to set the

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<v Speaker 7>unions are not happy with it, and their belief is

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<v Speaker 7>that the government has gone back on what they promised.

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<v Speaker 7>This is then President of the Teachers' Union, Angelou Gavriel

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<v Speaker 7>artis what.

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<v Speaker 11>Has occurred is nothing short of an act of betrayal,

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<v Speaker 11>a kick in the guts for every teacher. This is

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<v Speaker 11>not over. This is not over.

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<v Speaker 5>So you've laid out for me what the unions are saying,

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<v Speaker 5>but that's only one side of this. Exactly what's the

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<v Speaker 5>government saying.

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<v Speaker 7>With the government and the Premier Christmins has been adamant

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<v Speaker 7>that no agreement was actually reached. They say yes we

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<v Speaker 7>were having your conversation, but we were still at the

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<v Speaker 7>point of negotiation.

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<v Speaker 12>When the Teachers Federation jumped up from the negotiating table.

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<v Speaker 12>We were swapping offers the night before, late into the evening,

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<v Speaker 12>so we're always being prepared to negotiate with the teachers Federation.

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<v Speaker 7>The government says they understand teachers feel overwhelmed, burnt out,

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<v Speaker 7>undervalued and underpaid, but that the deal they're now offering

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<v Speaker 7>is a good one.

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<v Speaker 12>We were prepared to offer a deal to the Teachers

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<v Speaker 12>Federation that would lift first few teachers from the second

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<v Speaker 12>worst paid in the country to the best paid.

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<v Speaker 9>In the country.

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<v Speaker 7>And just to reiterate Sam, we aren't exactly clear on

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<v Speaker 7>what that deal is yet, as these negotiations are ongoing

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<v Speaker 7>behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 5>And what do you think is going to happen now?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I guess these negotiations continue, although after everything we've

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<v Speaker 7>heard the last few weeks, it's fair to assume that

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<v Speaker 7>tensions around these negotiations are certainly higher than they were initially.

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<v Speaker 7>When he addressed the teacher's union, Gabriel Latis said, times

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<v Speaker 7>running out.

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<v Speaker 11>And the government will be held to account and we

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<v Speaker 11>will demand that they deliver on their commitments and honor

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<v Speaker 11>the agreement that was reached.

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<v Speaker 7>So so far, the union hasn't called for any general

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<v Speaker 7>strike like we saw last year, but they have asked

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<v Speaker 7>all members to walk out on any school visits by

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<v Speaker 7>the Premier, Deputy Premier, Minister for Education or Treasurer.

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<v Speaker 5>For a good fellow up or a visit exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>There's also been some small escalations with mini getting heckles

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<v Speaker 7>last week and protests outside Deputy Premiere Prouka's office yesterday

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<v Speaker 7>and more protests planned for outside Chrisman's office later today.

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<v Speaker 7>But we also wanted to know what teachers in the

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<v Speaker 7>TDA community had to say about all of this, and

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<v Speaker 7>when we ask them, we got messages like this, We're.

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<v Speaker 4>Just asking to be paid what we're worth to keep

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<v Speaker 4>up with inflation. Yet we get slapped in the face

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<v Speaker 4>and then they wonder why there's a teacher shortage and

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<v Speaker 4>why no one wants to go into the profession.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't necessarily feel like a stub in the back, but

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<v Speaker 3>it does definitely feel like a kick in the gut.

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<v Speaker 3>Just yeah, feeling like there might have been some real

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<v Speaker 3>potential for change. Yeah, now that kind of seems a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit grim.

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<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of kids who love school, and

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<v Speaker 4>we do what we do for them, but it's getting

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<v Speaker 4>harder and harder.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll definitely keep track of this story, and I'd also

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<v Speaker 5>be really interested to hear how teachers in other states

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<v Speaker 5>are fairing and what the experience is with teachers unions

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<v Speaker 5>and other state and territory governments have been because I

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<v Speaker 5>know this is such an important profession and such an

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<v Speaker 5>important area for our listeners.

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<v Speaker 7>And I will just say, Sam, so I'm the producer

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<v Speaker 7>of this podcast, so you know, sometimes I come on

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<v Speaker 7>and join you, but I'm always there behind the scenes always.

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<v Speaker 7>One of the things I love is when people send

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<v Speaker 7>us voice notes, like we included in this episode from

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<v Speaker 7>teachers in New South Wales, and you know, sometimes we

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<v Speaker 7>ask for those, we'll put up a story on Instagram,

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<v Speaker 7>but sometimes people have a story to tell them they'll

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<v Speaker 7>just send them in without us even asking.

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<v Speaker 5>So the best way for someone to send in a

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<v Speaker 5>voice note.

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<v Speaker 7>The best way is just to send us a dam

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<v Speaker 7>on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks Nina for joining us on the pod today.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks for having me, Sam.

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<v Speaker 5>And thank you for joining us on the podcast as well.

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<v Speaker 5>If you did learn something from today's episode, we'd love

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<v Speaker 5>to hear your reflections on it. You can leave a

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<v Speaker 5>little Q and a note if you're listening on Spotify.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll be back again tomorrow. Until then, have a right day.

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