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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katie Minister.

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Speaker 2: So that yes, so that's two different issues totally. So

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Speaker 1: I reckon, there's definitely going to be quite a few

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Speaker 2: so it will look fantastic. I can assure people when

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Speaker 2: so we want to grow the numbers at lud Miller.

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Speaker 2: But it's always been an issue trying to get a

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Speaker 2: But it will be a rugby field. It will also

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Speaker 2: again we do want to preserve rich O Park and

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Speaker 2: There's a fence that's at the back of the properties

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Speaker 2: It will be an accessible space for people to go

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Speaker 2: a lot of people actually don't even know where Richardson

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Speaker 2: no idea, So you know, we'll make sure it's promoted well.

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Speaker 2: It will be a lovely space for the community, and

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Speaker 1: And so is there an agreement in place with any

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Speaker 2: So it's been Brothers and Nightcliff. We're the ones that

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Speaker 2: will be up to them to work through with NRL.

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Speaker 2: So NRL they do their fixtures and obviously there's rugby

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Speaker 2: league fields at Fred's Pass there's you know, we have

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Speaker 2: you know, absolutely it could be used. It will be

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Speaker 1: Yeah. On look, I know that there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: be used for rugby league. But Minister, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you as well. I know got lots of hats

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Speaker 1: has now been looked into.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I obviously got a briefing from the department

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Speaker 2: the dolphins injured. It's nothing to do with the water

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Speaker 2: pristine harbor. There are on going water quality and I

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Speaker 2: they do move around. We often see them from Parliament House.

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Speaker 2: Actually we see them in the harbor. So just to

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Speaker 2: two dolphins died, I don't know, but the more instances

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Speaker 2: they can report that to parks and wildlife. But our

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Speaker 2: water is absolutely pristine in the darn harbor and that

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Speaker 1: You can assure territori ins today that there is not

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Speaker 1: an issue with that water being polluted and that being

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Speaker 1: the cause of the death of these dolphins.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Our water is pristine in the harbor, and

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Speaker 2: as I said, that is reported all the time. So

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Speaker 2: there's I think every it gets to an a, there's

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Speaker 2: abc U D. The only issue is around Buffalo Creek

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Speaker 2: But the rest of the harbor is absolutely pristine and

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Speaker 2: the water quality is perfect.

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Speaker 1: Well, Minister Eva Laula, we will leave it there. We've

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Speaker 1: just about asked you a question for every portfolio this morning.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, Ladie, Thank you