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Speaker 1: is the opposition leader LEAFANOCHI are oh, good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Lady, morning Katie, and to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, what kind of impact do you think that

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Speaker 4: Look, I think we all knew it was coming, but

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Speaker 3: You know, rate rises will come and.

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Speaker 4: Go, fuel prices will fluctuate, and things happen at a

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Speaker 1: It is going to be tough and there is no

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Speaker 1: But now with this interest rate rise, I do wonder

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Speaker 3: But this pay freeze is a really big deal. Now.

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Speaker 4: Now that set a pathway of one thousand dollars a

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Speaker 1: Now, Lea, I want to talk to you about a

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Speaker 2: Are we in crisis point here?

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Speaker 3: You know, we're sick of hearing about biggest ever budget.

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Speaker 1: There are a few aspects to this that I want

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Speaker 1: system of our police force is a major issue now.

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Speaker 1: Every year I go to the Police Association conference and

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Speaker 1: every year government promise to review how discipline is dold

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Speaker 3: It's a critical body of work. Now.

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Speaker 4: Mark Casey is an incredible officer. I can't speak to

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Speaker 4: the disciplinary that's actually that's been taken. I just don't

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Speaker 4: have that level of detail. But I think what it

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Speaker 4: you know, a senior, senior veteran police officer such as Mark,

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Speaker 4: and we're seeing it in other quarters as well, coming

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Speaker 4: out expressing their concerns shows that there is something wrong.

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Speaker 3: We can't have this facade.

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Speaker 4: From the government anymore like oh no, everything's rosy. Police

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Speaker 4: are fantastic. You know, police don't walk around every day

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Speaker 1: You know. There has been three regions which have now

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Speaker 1: voted for the Northern Territory Police Association to hold a

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Speaker 1: Commissioner Jamie Chalker and Deputy Commissioner Murray small Page.

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that needs to happen?

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Speaker 1: We've got the Police Association said on the show yesterday

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Speaker 1: that something like that if it was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: it would have to happen at the conference, which I

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Speaker 1: believe is August.

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Speaker 2: But are we in a situation right now with.

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Speaker 1: The force unwell to use his words, where it can

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Speaker 1: wait that long?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, you know that's a matter for the Police

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Speaker 4: Association to decide and their membership. Obviously they represent ninety

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Speaker 4: eight percent of sworn police officers and if three regions

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Speaker 4: have expressed that concern, then again it's something to be

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Speaker 4: looked at. But where is Minister Madison on this issue?

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Speaker 4: I think it's just systematic of like Paul said, an

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Speaker 4: whatever measures need to be taken to make sure that

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Speaker 4: people's concerns are heard and addressed has to be done

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Speaker 4: as a matter of absolute priority.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we might put in.

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Speaker 1: A request to see if we're able to get the

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Speaker 1: Minister on the show, because I think it's right we

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Speaker 1: do need to make sure that we're hearing from her.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's about me hearing from her.

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Speaker 2: I think it's.

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Speaker 1: About the police force actually hearing from her. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see what we can do, but Leo, we better leave

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Speaker 1: it there. We appreciate your time, and next week will

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Speaker 1: no doubt be an incredibly busy one with the budget

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Speaker 1: being handed down. So what's the go So the Chief

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Speaker 1: Minister hands he is down Tuesday and then do you

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Speaker 1: do the reply the following day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's normally how it works, but never say never

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Speaker 4: with this government. They change the rules all the time,

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Speaker 4: so who knows. I might not even get to do one.

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Speaker 4: It depends definitely how the dictatorship of feeling at the top.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll have to Leah fan chi Aro, thank you,

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Speaker 1: We appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Here everyone