Speaker 1: The Flex and Rooms Daily podcast.
Speaker 2: I am so so glad me to extended episode because
Speaker 2: I've aways got more to say, so much pity, appy yappity, a.
Speaker 1: Breadth of conversation that is mostly untapped in everyday life.
Speaker 1: I'd say, flex, so, what a pleasure it is to
Speaker 1: share the microphones with you? Two share our seed, a
Speaker 1: collective seed. Stop it. Stop looking at me.
Speaker 2: I was frowning that time. You like, not that good?
Speaker 1: Do it frown again?
Speaker 2: I bo. People always think they have botox, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: because when I frown, it's just very like it's all
Speaker 2: in the front of my eyebrows. But didn't have frontlines
Speaker 2: to save me. I try going up, not.
Speaker 1: There one hundred percent you've had botox?
Speaker 2: Why would I have? People thought I had my brows
Speaker 2: laminader so I got them laminated and I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: see what you mean, Well you really got them, but
Speaker 2: no frown lines. People still can guess my age correctly.
Speaker 2: What is that about? So general?
Speaker 1: Laura?
Speaker 2: It is what it is?
Speaker 1: What are we talking about today?
Speaker 2: Death? Would you rather know when or how you die?
Speaker 2: We did do a bit of a how do you
Speaker 2: say pole around the studio and the majority said when
Speaker 2: so we didn't have an overwhelming yes or no. We're
Speaker 2: split right down the middle.
Speaker 1: It's an awful question. Flex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you apply any kind of like morality to it,
Speaker 2: if you make it real, yeah, if you make it real,
Speaker 2: if you make it just a vibe a thought, it's
Speaker 2: actually quite fun. I think it says a lot about
Speaker 2: a person and not much at all, which the best
Speaker 2: conversation topics do that. Yeah, anyway, we're gonna have the
Speaker 2: best time as always. Let's go flex and firs now flex.
Speaker 1: See. I have been reading a book called Something Blue.
Speaker 1: It's by Alex Sarkis.
Speaker 2: Oh you mentioned that the other day.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, she is a baddie from the area,
Speaker 1: I would say, and I've somehow found a way to
Speaker 1: make that sounds so.
Speaker 2: Yeahs are you reading from a script? She told you
Speaker 2: to say that trying to be cool?
Speaker 1: And in it she talks about how I don't know
Speaker 1: if she was saying this or if her character was
Speaker 1: like joking, but she's like, yeah, how Americans think that
Speaker 1: in Australia we all ride kangaroos. Yes, and we see
Speaker 1: this all the time, people being like, yeah, ask Americans
Speaker 1: if they think we ride around on kangaroos or that's
Speaker 1: what that's what Americans think. It's been Simpsons episodes, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But I want to ask an American, have you ever
Speaker 1: in your life thought that we ride kangaroos? Of course
Speaker 1: you haven't. It's so ridiculous, Like, don't you find it
Speaker 1: funny that we perpetuate this stereotype that doesn't actually serve anyone,
Speaker 1: like it doesn't. It's not helpful for us to think
Speaker 1: that we ride around on karugar.
Speaker 2: Do you think Australian started that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we started, but we definitely perpetuated
Speaker 1: despite all being city folk. It's always the city folk
Speaker 1: that have come here saying, yeah, Americans think we write
Speaker 1: on kangaroos. Americans don't think that you're projecting. You're projecting
Speaker 1: what you think.
Speaker 2: Oh that's what you think is happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I find really interesting and it makes me think,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other things that we do perpetuating things
Speaker 1: about ourselves that don't actually ring true, and it's just
Speaker 1: like a lazy thing to do. Give an example perpetuating
Speaker 1: I'm a perfectionist.
Speaker 2: You think you perpetuate that.
Speaker 1: No, that's a bad example.
Speaker 2: I just checking I wasn't shutting it down.
Speaker 1: I was just checking sing no, maybe, okay, good one
Speaker 1: to be the Karen, always perpetuating the fact I'm a Karen?
Speaker 1: Am I actually know? I just like the sound of it,
Speaker 1: similar to the kangaroos.
Speaker 2: And processing in quite quietly, silently. But I got that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: of some examples. What is the benefit of you saying
Speaker 2: you're a Karen if you don't think you actually are? Well?
Speaker 1: I think people just do it for something to talk
Speaker 1: about it. It's like when you say, how are you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good. I feel like certain things we perpetuate about ourselves
Speaker 1: because it's actually easier to just not actually explain the
Speaker 1: other way around.
Speaker 2: Okay, yep, do you know what I mean? Do you
Speaker 2: have any other examples for you, you.
Speaker 1: Know, oh, being like people think, oh, you're quirky. So
Speaker 1: I could turn around and say, I'm not quirky. Actually
Speaker 1: hate that term, but I just go here and just
Speaker 1: perpetuate it by doing other things that could be considered quirky.
Speaker 2: But you are quirky. You just don't like the term,
Speaker 2: I don't think, so let's quickly google that. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna google the definition of quirky, just so we
Speaker 2: are speaking about the same thing. Define quirky straight into Google.
Speaker 2: We've got having or characterized by peculiar or unexpected traits
Speaker 2: or aspects. No, that's you.
Speaker 1: Let me think of something that you do that's perpetuating
Speaker 1: something that's not actually true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because similar words to quirky are eccentric, idiosyncratic, unconventional.
Speaker 2: You are quirky.
Speaker 1: I didn't want this to be about neflex. I wanted
Speaker 1: to illuminate something.
Speaker 2: You don't think you're quirky or you just don't like
Speaker 2: the connotation of the word quirky is annoying by your
Speaker 2: perceptual definition both both. Because this is me tapping the
Speaker 2: screen hopefull, you see it clearer because in this instance,
Speaker 2: the way you look match with the way you dress,
Speaker 2: matched with your humor, matched with your aspirations, matched with
Speaker 2: your karenness, the combination that is quirky.
Speaker 1: The Karen's throwing a bit of a nut in the mix,
Speaker 1: a bit of a nut in the nut frame mix.
Speaker 2: All that's confusing.
Speaker 1: I have don I think if you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: what about myself?
Speaker 2: But what does it matter? Well, what's the point we're
Speaker 2: getting to.
Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting to know, like what think
Speaker 1: about things that you just perpetuate that don't actually serve
Speaker 1: you anymore, because I'm sure like five years ago, I
Speaker 1: would have been like, yes, Jim is an enormous part
Speaker 1: of my personality, but is it really But yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a gym rat.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, that's just a small example.
Speaker 2: That's a nice little something to share.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, my pleasure, doll flex and fruits.
Speaker 2: Earlier this week we talked about how in New Zealand
Speaker 2: you can't name your child Lucifer, sex fruit or anal.
Speaker 2: The week beforehand, we spoke about how you can't name
Speaker 2: your child Linda or Sandra in Saudi Arabia. Today I'm
Speaker 2: letting you know that you can't name your child Natella.
Speaker 2: In France, someone tried to name their child this and
Speaker 2: it was denied and instead the government suggested they call
Speaker 2: their child Ella. Which is nice to come back with suggestions,
Speaker 2: because we all know the worst thing that happens to
Speaker 2: be during a brainstorm is when someone hates your ideas
Speaker 2: and suggests no other ideas. So this was you know,
Speaker 2: ten points to the French government just for this only
Speaker 2: everything else with beefin.
Speaker 1: Nut ella is like if Cinderella busted a nut nutella,
Speaker 1: it's been on a childhood classic. Say Nottella, Someone's got
Speaker 1: to pay that. That's what I'd go back with the
Speaker 1: French government and say, no, no, non, this was intentional.
Speaker 2: No Tella, you multilingual babe.
Speaker 1: Why should it that a brand can therefore like trump
Speaker 1: a child's name.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is flex and frooms on CADA. I told you
Speaker 2: that I have been spending my morning commute or my
Speaker 2: morning getting ready listening to nothing, no podcast, no music,
Speaker 2: no stimulus, because I'm trying to at least train my
Speaker 2: brain to get used to not having I don't know,
Speaker 2: just noise, Like what am I thinking when there's nothing else?
Speaker 2: Adding to the fodder turns out just dilemmas, just question.
Speaker 1: A lot of content for CADA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it works out well. Actually, I'll just look into
Speaker 2: just a vacant space the room and think, I feel
Speaker 2: like that's what philosophers do or did, And somebody did
Speaker 2: say that podcasters are twenty twenty philosophers.
Speaker 1: I don't know who you said that.
Speaker 2: But you asked a couple of weeks ago, would we
Speaker 2: rather be happy or special? I said happy? You said special.
Speaker 2: You disagreed with my answer. Yep, you would preferred that,
Speaker 2: I too said special, but I didn't. Today I'm going
Speaker 2: to ask you, would you rather know when you die?
Speaker 2: Or how you die? And why do I have to
Speaker 2: know either? That's not the question. Okay, these contrarians get
Speaker 2: them out of the studio. So would you rather define?
Speaker 2: Would you rather? That's you?
Speaker 1: Most of the time?
Speaker 2: No, I do like definition, So probably if.
Speaker 1: I have to pick one, Yeah, what depends how I die,
Speaker 1: I'd I think I'd want to know when, because how
Speaker 1: how I'm going to die terrifies me. I don't actually
Speaker 1: terrify I die or not. I just I'm scared of
Speaker 1: how it's going to happen.
Speaker 2: WHOA.
Speaker 1: But it's like anything that you try for the first time,
Speaker 1: it's terrifying. It's like jumping over the precipice and falling
Speaker 1: into a crack. I don't want to know how I'm
Speaker 1: going to die, because if I die in a car crash,
Speaker 1: I'm going to think every time I leave and get
Speaker 1: in a car, I'm going to die. Whereas if I
Speaker 1: know when it is, then I can probably make the
Speaker 1: most it probably would improve my quality of life because
Speaker 1: I'd be more intentional to confirm. You would rather know
Speaker 1: when you die, not how you die. Yes, because you're
Speaker 1: under the impression knowing when you die means what I
Speaker 1: will be able to take my life not more seriously,
Speaker 1: but just appreciate it more because I know how many
Speaker 1: days I have. It's like knowing how many days you
Speaker 1: have in your school holidays. If you just fancy free
Speaker 1: running around not actually knowing, then you're going to like
Speaker 1: get to last day and be like, damn all that time,
Speaker 1: But I actually don't have much time. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: That reminds me of when I worked in PR and
Speaker 2: I was trying to go from full time to part
Speaker 2: time to toy with the idea of quitting to become
Speaker 2: a DJ. And so I convinced myself that with the
Speaker 2: one extra day I had, I would do so many things. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fantastic. I'll work on my hobbies, I'll
Speaker 2: go to the post office, whatever, whatever, whatever. I did
Speaker 2: nothing with that extra day, not anything greater than I
Speaker 2: would have done if I was working full time, but
Speaker 2: for the longest time, even while being part time and
Speaker 2: not doing the thing that was my internal narrative. I'm
Speaker 2: using my time so much better. This is exactly what
Speaker 2: I had planned. Every day is so purposeful.
Speaker 1: Liar, Well, that's kind of nice. I'd prefer that lie
Speaker 1: than thinking that, oh I should be not using it,
Speaker 1: like getting yourself all frothed up? What would you prefer?
Speaker 2: I think I'd rather know how I die, because I
Speaker 2: don't want to die, and to the when, I think
Speaker 2: would make the idea of death a bit more realistic
Speaker 2: to me, a bit more like finite finite, a bit
Speaker 2: more certain. And I'd rather just have this illusion that
Speaker 2: I'm not going anywhere at all, just like reincarnate. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I'll be your pet, you know, I'll be a bird,
Speaker 2: I'll be a building. I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 1: You're grain of sand if I've got anything to do
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: But with the hell, I'd be like, ugh, you dummy,
Speaker 2: you die from high cholesterol, your bloody idiot.
Speaker 1: Would you make any changes?
Speaker 2: No? No, you don't play god when you have this information,
Speaker 2: you just vibe because realistically, if today you told me
Speaker 2: that I die drowning, I don't really like swimming that
Speaker 2: much anyway, So at the very least I'm like don't
Speaker 2: need to change my lifestyle that much to avoid potentially
Speaker 2: drowning from swimming. Next thing, you know, someone water boards me.
Speaker 2: Didn't see that on coming. But that's okay. But what
Speaker 2: was I going to do differently? And if you said, oh,
Speaker 2: you're not dying from cancer, well okay, it's a possibility
Speaker 2: now anyway. But the when they say yes is sixty
Speaker 2: second birthday. I want know that information.
Speaker 1: I do, but I can really make the most.
Speaker 2: But what do you mean make the most? Create as much.
Speaker 1: As possible, then live on through the seed?
Speaker 2: When have you made the most recently? What does that
Speaker 2: look like for you?
Speaker 1: Doing what I want? When I want?
Speaker 2: When have you done that last weekend?
Speaker 1: Would you do hung out with my mom? Yep? Nah,
Speaker 1: I don't actually know. I never know what I want.
Speaker 1: That's life. That's the end of that.
Speaker 2: No, I want to what do you mean make the most?
Speaker 2: I'm so fascinated.
Speaker 1: Okay, if I if I knew that I was going
Speaker 1: to die when I'm sixty two, ye, I think I'd
Speaker 1: feel good because I know that there's a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time. Like I don't want to be I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily I don't want to jinx myself live on until
Speaker 1: I'm incapacitated and my mind is like tearing up into pieces.
Speaker 2: Would you rather have a deteriorating body or mind?
Speaker 1: Body for sure, Well, deteriorating mind. You are nothing but
Speaker 1: your mind.
Speaker 2: Oh you believe that? Yeah? Hectic?
Speaker 1: But as you were, as I was, I just I
Speaker 1: just would hate the idea of living life knowing that
Speaker 1: I'm going to die a certain way. I think it
Speaker 1: would make me what's it called when you can't leave
Speaker 1: your house aaphobic? Agoraphobic? It would be giving a four agoraphobic?
Speaker 1: Giving you for are I just be watching euphoria.
Speaker 2: The reason why I'm asking this hypothetical question is because
Speaker 2: I think despite the when or where, people's sense of
Speaker 2: like default or normal always corrects itself. So what feels
Speaker 2: like this really wild thing I find out I die
Speaker 2: when I'm sixty two is super spooky until three weeks
Speaker 2: later you're so comfortable with the idea that it's normal.
Speaker 2: For example, like at one point you would have been
Speaker 2: fifteen being like, oh my goodness, one day I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be twenty seven, gonna be so old, it's gonna be
Speaker 2: so embarrassing. Now you're twenty seven, you're like it's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just age some days. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, But realistically,
Speaker 2: for how foreign it was of a concept when you
Speaker 2: were younger, you just have time to sit with it.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, you know that happened when your parents like,
Speaker 2: you know, you're not gonna be friends with your school
Speaker 2: friends whoever. You're like, no way, mom, We're gonna be
Speaker 2: best friends forever. And now you're like, I don't know
Speaker 2: those people. Yeah. So I think the same concept with
Speaker 2: the idea. I think the idea of death is spookier
Speaker 2: than actually dying. You don't think like, I'm in my
Speaker 2: had like all the possibilities and then what's gonna shut
Speaker 2: down first? And am I gonna feel it? And am
Speaker 2: I gonna be regretful? Well, I'll be sad, will be content,
Speaker 2: and then you'll just die.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so it doesn't really matter if your hat sad, happy, content.
Speaker 2: Well it matters.
Speaker 1: Well not, it doesn't because you're gonna die.
Speaker 2: I think it matters, but it's not important.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't get that.
Speaker 2: That's okay. Not everything's to be understood. What is to
Speaker 2: be understood cannot be explained. As I said, life is
Speaker 2: a circle, and I do like that one, because I
Speaker 2: really believe that is it the ora boris what the
Speaker 2: snake that eats its own tail? Oh okay, you're a
Speaker 2: whole loss for you don't even know it though.
Speaker 1: Or a boris I'm a bit or a boris right now,
Speaker 1: or a bored of this speaking on behalf of myself
Speaker 1: and my people. All right, that's your thought, doll, get
Speaker 1: back to you next time. Yeah, I appreciate you taking
Speaker 1: yourself on this journey with me. Is very hot and sexy.
Speaker 2: This is flex and frooms on.
Speaker 1: A friend of a friend of mine is going through
Speaker 1: something very specific.
Speaker 2: And when you say friend of a friend, are we
Speaker 2: talking in a circle? Out of circle?
Speaker 1: Out of circle?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It's like a friend of someone who I would call
Speaker 1: a friend. So not exactly an acquaintance, definitely not a
Speaker 1: close friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ok, I like that.
Speaker 1: But they've put this on Reddit, and then my friend
Speaker 1: has sent me the link saying, hey, this is this
Speaker 1: is I won't say your name.
Speaker 2: And how does your friend know?
Speaker 1: They're just internet sloths?
Speaker 2: Wow, nothing is sacred. Everything is up for discussion. Okay,
Speaker 2: So and you'll let you know what I'll do on
Speaker 2: a national show. I got to put it out of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is what he wrote. Did my best
Speaker 1: friend plan this pregnancy? She told me she was on
Speaker 1: birth control and now she's pregnant after we slept together
Speaker 1: for a few days. She and I have been best
Speaker 1: friends for two years now, so two years is nothing.
Speaker 2: I mean fast friendships, strong connections.
Speaker 1: I get red flags from that. We're close and we
Speaker 1: tell each other everything. Basically, she had never asked me
Speaker 1: out on a date or anything until we found out
Speaker 1: that she was pregnant. She and I have had this
Speaker 1: tension between us before, and we both like each other,
Speaker 1: but never really didn't thing about it or mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Long story short, she and I ended up traveling together
Speaker 1: and we ended up sharing a hotel to save costs.
Speaker 1: You looked straight into this dog the.
Speaker 2: Old share a hotel room to save costs. Full pregnant pipeline.
Speaker 1: She came on to me and we had sex all
Speaker 1: during the trip. I had suggested we use condoms for
Speaker 1: the first time. Sure he did, but she told me
Speaker 1: she was on birth control and that we would be
Speaker 1: pulling out.
Speaker 2: So it's fine. Can I quickly pause for a caveat
Speaker 2: the way we americanize our speech? What is a birth control.
Speaker 2: It's the pill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's on Radity's trying to, like, I understand
Speaker 1: getting with the common people. I don't want to get
Speaker 1: too descriptive, but I tried pulling away from her, at
Speaker 1: least not definition side her, but she would leg lock
Speaker 1: me enough. A few weeks later, she told me that
Speaker 1: she was pregnant. The baby is one hundred percent mine,
Speaker 1: since I'm the only one she's been with it all.
Speaker 1: After I found out about the pregnancy, she asked if
Speaker 1: we could raise the baby together as a and see
Speaker 1: if things would work out. I agreed because I have
Speaker 1: feelings for her and care about her, and now I
Speaker 1: have a baby on the way. I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about it and thought that maybe this was planned or
Speaker 1: do guys think that it is just an accident and
Speaker 1: that she's a one of the very few to get
Speaker 1: pregnant despite being on birth control. Thanks it's giving a
Speaker 1: three syllable word entrapment. However, it kind of feels like
Speaker 1: so he didn't use a condom, so I think he's
Speaker 1: semi asking for it. He's like an asking for its situation.
Speaker 1: But if you are having sex without a condom, you're
Speaker 1: ready resk you take it.
Speaker 2: Is yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, it's a bit rich
Speaker 2: on his end, being like, well, she said that she
Speaker 2: was on birth control and I trusted her. Do you
Speaker 2: really know her? Then? Is that your bestie? Now you
Speaker 2: got a co parent? Look at this, The whole thing
Speaker 2: is just messed up. I feel like people, the things
Speaker 2: that we are fearful of in life don't match up
Speaker 2: to the things that we should actually be afraid of.
Speaker 2: Because how are we not scared that every time we
Speaker 2: we're gonna have babies? I know, I am, you're scared
Speaker 2: of that. Yeah, I don't want to raise a kid
Speaker 2: ill at least surely you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 2: you have a nice little night out and then suddenly
Speaker 2: you've got the clap and you're like, oh, okay, that's
Speaker 2: not what I planned for. But here we are. And
Speaker 2: even in this instance, right like I would say, for
Speaker 2: the both of them, let's not use the phrase you're
Speaker 2: asking for it. But I feel as though when you
Speaker 2: do things and you don't take all the necessary precautions
Speaker 2: that we've been taught since we were literal children, why
Speaker 2: do you think you're the exception to the rule. Like,
Speaker 2: even if the person you're sleeping with us on birth control.
Speaker 2: You're only doing half the recipe. It's like, Oh, I
Speaker 2: tried to make a cake, and you know, she bought
Speaker 2: the eggs and I know I was meant to bring
Speaker 2: the vanilla essence, but I didn't, and now the cake
Speaker 2: doesn't taste good. Okay, what do you want us to do?
Speaker 2: You knew what you were meant to do, you didn't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. Oh yeah, you use the packet
Speaker 1: mix and you mixed in water and then you expecting
Speaker 1: it to not make a cake, but it made a cake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whoa I would feel Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I gotta be on her side with this one. I
Speaker 1: know it seems crazy, and I reckon she did leg
Speaker 1: lock him in for a purpose. She's a little bit
Speaker 1: older than he is, and I think she's a bit classic.
Speaker 2: Oh didn't you didn't mention this? You gay inside scoop?
Speaker 1: Would I want to do it that way? No? Am
Speaker 1: I desperate for a child right now? No side though,
Speaker 1: because he should know better, he should he should wear
Speaker 1: a condom. We're told all the time to be cleverer,
Speaker 1: to take certain precautions, and it doesn't prevent us from
Speaker 1: being in harm's way. So I'm glad he got a
Speaker 1: bit of medicine.
Speaker 2: I think they both. I feel like, so, what's he
Speaker 2: going to do now? He's gonna be like he's going
Speaker 2: to be a parent? Yes, involved depends. I mean that's
Speaker 2: like a good outcome. I guess if they keep it,
Speaker 2: don't don't dunt.
Speaker 1: Well, they're in America. Maybe so done in America.
Speaker 2: These details after the fact, we've decided what we think
Speaker 2: they're talking about, age gaps. She's older, they're in America.
Speaker 1: Geez.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if we can end this with a with a PSA,
Speaker 2: please do your due diligence and don't expect that the
Speaker 2: exception of the rule won't be your experience. Please do
Speaker 2: not feign a lack of understanding when you do a
Speaker 2: thing that you've been taught how to do correctly incorrectly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and please always be prepared for outcomes that don't suit
Speaker 2: your best interest. No fearmongering, xturing, just astute observations.
Speaker 1: That will haunt you forevermore.
Speaker 2: That's hectic. I would hate to like be be the
Speaker 2: topic of someone else's gossip like this. This sucks. Sorry,
Speaker 2: hadn't do it well.
Speaker 1: And there'll be a time. There'll be a time we're
Speaker 1: on the receiving end, not me, but hopefully you.
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