WEBVTT - 04 - Operation Gumnut - Parole 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:13.120 Once a high flying minister, now a broken man. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.079 It was a significant error of judgment on my part, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:17.040 but it was an honester. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:22.040 In two thousand and nine, he was found guilty of 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:28.680 corruptly receiving secret commissions and jailed for seven years. In 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.519 twenty ten, he was found guilty on five charges of 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:37.599 official corruption and five charges of perjury and jailed for 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:39.839 an additional seven years. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:44.400 And there's a whiteboard there and it's got Operation gum 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:46.199 Nat and the officer said that's you. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:48.560 And he said, and this is the plan to get 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:49.240 you out of here. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:01:05.960 My name is Gordon Nuddle and this is my story. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.200 The man behind the Rose Episode four. Hello, my name's 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:09.640 Patrick Condrey. Disgraced former Beaty government minister. Gordon Nattle has 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:13.040 spent six years in jail, more than five of those 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:18.440 in maximum security, with the worst of the worst. But 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:22.160 that nightmare is about to end with the innovatively named 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:27.360 Operation gum Nut and the impact on his children and 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.680 grandchildren of his guilty verdicts and time behind bars. For 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.240 the first time, Lisa Nuttle and her brother Andrew speak 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:39.360 publicly about the impact on themselves and their families since 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:43.120 their father was locked away. More than fourteen years ago. 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.240 Gordon Nuttle has not been paid for taking part in 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:54.960 this podcast. After almost a year at Palin Creek Prison Farm, 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:59.320 following more than five years in maximum security, Gordon Nattle 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:01.480 was eligible fool parole. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:10.120 When my parole was granted, there was a problem. I 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.600 got a call from the manager to come down to 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:15.160 his office and I went down and but no one 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:16.760 goes to see the manager, you know. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.560 And I get invited in and hello, Gordon, how are you? 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.519 And please sit down? I thought, I'm an inmate. What's 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:24.600 going on here? You know? 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.720 And he said, we've just heard on the radio that 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:30.120 your parole has been approved. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.480 He said, we haven't been advised. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.000 And he said, we've just said on the Macquarie radio 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.839 that it's been approved. He said, I've got no other 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.600 information I can give to you at this time, he said, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.760 but all the details are being released on air as 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:48.919 we speak. I said, okay. 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:50.480 Come as a bit of a surprise. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.560 Well it was, because what happened was after that I 0:02:55.600 --> 0:03:00.840 went back to my dormitory and we had a TV 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.440 screen up on the wall and there it is splashed 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.080 all over the TV. But I've been groud in my 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.519 parole what the conditions of my parole were. 0:03:08.800 --> 0:03:09.680 The whole box and. 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.440 Dice Gordon Nuttle is about to walk free. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.400 So he was quite embarrassed by that. 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.240 So obviously then the media were aware of the date 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.200 I was to be released, so they had to devise 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.120 a plan to get me out of there. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.919 So the prison authorities had to devise a plan. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:30.120 Yeah, the prison authorities wanted to devise a plan to 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:31.520 get me out of there because they don't want the 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.960 media hanging around a prison farm, and that makes a 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:35.560 lot of sense. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:37.880 So he called me back down. 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.560 He said, right, you're going to be released at one 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.720 minute past twelve in the morning. We worked out a 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.920 plan to get you out of here. He said, we 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.840 expect the media to be down at the front gate, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.800 and they arrived the afternoon, the Sunday afternoon. The media 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.840 arrived Sunday afternoon would have been freezing cold that night, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:02.400 tell you. And he said, so we're going to get 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.560 you out of here one minute after midnight, which is 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.200 ironic because that's when my parole finished yesterday, one minute 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.760 up to midnight. So about quarter to twelve that night, 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.840 prison officer came and got me from the dormitory took 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.880 me down to the main office where my clothes were, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.919 and there's a whiteboard there and it's got operation gum Nut. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:31.039 On the board and the officer said that's you. And 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.680 he said and this is the plan to get you 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.240 out of here. 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.160 A well oiled machine. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:35.520 Yeah. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:38.840 Yeah, So they had a prison guard down at the 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:43.360 front gate chatting to the medias at cord to twelve 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:47.279 ten to twelve at night. I got changed. It took 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.760 me out this back gate and then we headed towards 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:55.679 New South Wales border and then there was a message 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.920 on the two way to turn around. So the cards 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.039 you two him and heads back towards Bodesert. So it 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.320 just looked like a car was traveling in the night, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.960 going past media is being chatted up by the person. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.640 Did you drive past the meeting? 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:16.799 We drove straight past and the prison officer said, no waving, 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:21.600 no worry about that. 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.799 So we drive along and we get. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.599 Past the township of Wrathdowney and there's a police station 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:32.240 there and once we got past that, there was another 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.120 message on the two way all clear. So what they 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.760 were going to do There was an arrangement with the 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.599 police at Wrathdowney that if the media got hold of 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.280 the fact that that was me in the car and 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:47.200 they chased us. 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.279 The cops were going to slop them. I don't know, I. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.839 Wonder what pretext, but that we're going to stop them. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.479 So they got me to Boy Desert, threw me out 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:00.200 of the car. The guy you didn't throw me out me? 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:07.120 Well, kid? So that was that was the release, my 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:11.440 release from after six years and a few days or whatever. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:11.800 Are you. 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.800 The best day except the birth of my children and 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.479 my wedding, best out of my life was so exciting 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.640 I'll never forget because we had it all planned and 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.440 they were doing They called it Operation gum Nut was 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.440 the name of this, the secret operation to get Dad 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:35.880 out of Pale and Creek with as little fuss and 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.560 media attention as possible. And we thought that was really funny. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:46.400 Operation gum Nut. Yeah, yeah, So we thought that was stuff, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.960 and we were so grateful to the people at Pale Creek. 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.240 And you obviously got four warning that Gunnut was. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.360 Happening, so we knew what was happening. And the pickup 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.000 time was at midnight at the Bow Desert Post offic 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:04.400 and my brother I remember we were going to leave 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:08.080 at eleven, so he came here and we tried. I 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.000 tried to have a little sleep before because I'm an 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.000 early bird, and I remember it was absolutely freezing that day. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.200 It was a day kind of like today, and it 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.160 was a little bit yeah, just chili and stuff. So 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:27.000 we were driving out. We were so excited and we're 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.040 sitting there outside the boat as at post office, so 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.480 there's no one around at midnight watching Mick Fanning get 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:35.880 attacked by a shark. That was the day that Mick 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.640 Fanning got attacked by the shark. My brother's watching the 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:42.000 surfing and he said to me, oh my goodness, look 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.840 at this. And we were watching it live happening, waiting 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.440 for the car to come around. We didn't know what 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:51.520 car hed bean or anything like that. And we're sitting 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.280 there with our hoodies on and beanies, and we thought, gosh, 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.680 we must look a site like sitting outside the boat 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:59.680 as at post office in the middle of the night, and. 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:02.560 The local coppers didn't. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.200 They did drive past at one point and we just 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:06.600 kind of slumped down in our seats. 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:07.480 It was so funny. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.000 We were laughing, but we were so excited, and then 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.960 the car came that they were he was in it 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:16.920 was like a little rab four or something, because I 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.280 remember that's what they took him. They took him out 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:21.320 to Pale and Creek in some similar car, and he 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:25.880 thought he was really fancy. And I remember it stopping 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.640 at the lights because a couple had stopped their prior 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.000 and we'd sit up in our seats and no, not Dad, 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.320 not Dard. And then finally this car came around and 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:37.319 it slowed down and it did a yew in it 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.160 pulled up beside us, and oh my goodness, we jumped 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:44.360 out of that car and it was so exciting. Like 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.640 I used to say that to Dad. I said, was 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:51.400 in so much misery, but that day is going to 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:53.560 be the best day, Like we're going to have the 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:58.400 best feelings that day, and it was so exciting. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:03.840 I remember sitting watching the surfing in South African, seeing 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.760 Mick Fanny get attacked by the shark, which was pretty 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:13.760 I'll never forget that night, Holy shit, excuse me, sat 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.359 out front of the post office there in Lisa's car, 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:20.559 tinted windows or not knowing what the hell was going on, 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.240 seeing a police car drive around us. 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:24.320 They obviously knew what was. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.400 Going on, and he literally they pulled up behind us. 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.800 He got out of the car and got in to 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.040 our car and yeah, yeah, I just couldn't stop trying 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.720 to hug him, and yeah, tears were flowing, and another 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.200 another surreal moment. Just didn't realize it was happening right 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:43.920 there and then. 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.280 And I just got a brand new camera, so it 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:49.679 had the bluetooth and the screen and everything. And Dad 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:53.120 was amazed because before he went away, there was no iPhone, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.480 no iPod. So we used to explain all of this 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.079 stuff to him, no bluetooth like that in a car. 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.040 Then take the second exit. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.160 It was just amazed by the technology in the car 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:06.959 and everything. 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:08.360 And then did you hug him? 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:12.240 Obviously, Oh my goodness, hugged cried. There was just it 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.520 was just so exciting, you know. It was just and 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.520 the guard was smiling, and he's just like, let's go, 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:20.720 let's go home, you know. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.000 Oh without Yeah, I'm sitting in the back seat. And 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:27.760 of course there's all new gateway motorway, and you know, 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:31.440 and they are told gates are gone, you know, they're 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:32.000 all gone. 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:33.720 There's no doll gates there or anything. 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.559 And she said, oh, now we're on the news section 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.360 of the motor no bloody idea where we were, and 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.440 there's this bloody car with a screen on it and naps. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.079 In it and all the rest of it must have 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:46.600 been surreal. It was. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.199 It really was actually the fact that I was going home. 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:50.920 You know. 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.240 By the time we got back to my daughter's place 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:55.960 at Boondal, it was about halpus one. 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:56.400 In the morning. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:02.040 I had to report at seven am to the prole office. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.880 And at five o'clock that morning, my daughter came and 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.559 woke me up and said, she said, all the media 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.920 are arriving and they're out in the front of our 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.040 house across the road. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.080 And I said, okay, talk. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:22.120 To me about the emotions when you first got back 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.280 to Lisa's house after a successful operation Gumnut. 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.719 It was so, I said. We got to Lisa's bad 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.920 upas one two o'clock. The little ones, Lisa woke them 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.000 up and they're half asleep and they give grand the grandkids, yeah, 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:40.880 three of them, three of the twelve give Granddad a 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:44.560 hug and they went back to bed. And the son 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.200 in law is there and he's dressing game. I got 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.920 a photo somewhere him saying get ade of me. 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.480 I've lost all this weight you know, I'm skinny as 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:59.080 a rake and still not looking overly healthy, and a 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:03.400 lot of tears and sort of an unreal feeling that 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:08.160 you're actually home, but it wasn't home. I was with 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:11.559 my daughter, but I didn't have a home. I'd sold 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:17.880 that in our haste to destroy me, sold on my 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.960 assets and took all that. 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:26.600 We came back here, and we've got a grunny flat downstairs. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:30.040 We'd kidded that all out for Dad, so prior. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.560 To him coming home, the parole board had to come 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.440 and approve that he would be living here. So they 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:36.920 had to come and do an inspection of that place 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.199 and everything and ask and talk to us and look 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.000 at the flat. But we decked it all out and 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.840 had filled the pantry with all his favorite things. 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:44.839 And what are his favorite things? 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.160 Oh, just like I had things like tim tans, and 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.880 like he loves dark chocolate, and all those things he 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:53.720 didn't have while he was there, not that he was. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.840 Took much to please him, because you know, you don't. 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.199 You don't get a lot while you're away. And I'd 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:03.040 done the bathroom and I had you know, his deoda 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.600 and toothbrush, all of that nice nice body wash and 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.320 that sort of thing. And I remember we put the 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:10.600 garage door up and my husband was standing there in 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.760 his flannel at pajamas and his dressing gown, looking at tree. 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.679 And we've got this great photo of them shaking hands 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.959 and this joy on Dad's face, you know, And then 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:23.200 we went in and we. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.679 Just had all had a copper and just talked. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.280 And it was so nice. My kids were all still asleep. 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.720 Then we tried to get a little bit asleep, but 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:36.520 we were just buzzing. And I remember I must have 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.360 gone to bed about three o'clock, and at four o'clock 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.240 I heard a door slam and I looked out my 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:45.440 window and the media had started arriving. And by five 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:50.160 o'clock both sides of the street were absolutely packed with media. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.920 So we just pulled all our blinds down, and Dad 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.360 came up, and then the kids got up and they 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:59.440 were so excited. And I've got this beautiful photo of 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.120 my eldest her bedrooms, just their dad knocking on her door. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.040 And see she's a redhead, and my dad's a red head, 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:07.640 so she's kind. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:09.079 I wouldn't know because he know. 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.920 What is Yeah, he's ball now, But when she's always kind, 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.080 of been the favorite because of the red hair. I 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.880 reckon and he knocked on the door and he open 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.280 I've got this beautiful photo of the two of them hugging. 0:14:19.440 --> 0:14:22.600 It's just it was such a joyful day. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.040 I'll give you an example of how tough it is, 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:30.280 or not tough, but how overwhelming it was. I had 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.440 to report to the prole office at seven am, and 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:35.520 that was to avoid the media again, but they are 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.680 out front of Liss anyway, and. 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.000 At this stage you're not allowed to talk to the meeting, 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.160 not at all. You've been forbidden from talking to the 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:45.280 media for fourteen years. 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.720 That's as part of my parole conditions. And if I 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.480 spoke to the media, I would break it. My parole 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.440 would cancel my prole and probably return me to jar. 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.720 So it's pretty serious stuff. So I'll get to the 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:03.560 pro office at Champs, I'd sign all the documentation come out. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:06.800 And my son said to me, he said, let's go 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:11.480 and get something deep. So in the usual now Australia, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:15.400 we went to McDonald's and at McDonald's have got these 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.720 screens where you punch in your order. I'd never seen 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:21.320 that before, so I didn't have a clue what that 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:25.800 was about. I went to the men's room and then 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:28.920 I went to wash my hands. I couldn't find tap 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.760 because it's all censor and I didn't know that. So 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.800 I'm looking for a tap. I can't find out how 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:41.840 to wash my hands, and I knew that there was 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.840 something that would make this thing work. I finally worked 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:50.480 that out, and then there was this dryer where you 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:52.640 put your hands down, so I didn't know. I'd never 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.640 seen one of them before, and I just started thinking, 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:57.360 how am I going to function? 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:04.440 How am I going to function? And it was really scary. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:07.960 So we go to the driver's license Department of Transport 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.480 to give my driver's license and I go in and 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.400 you need three forms of ID. I'd managed to get 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:21.600 a Medicare card before I was discharged from prison, and 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:27.480 that's all I had. My license had expired, so that's 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:34.320 not considered a current form of identification, and that is 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:39.240 all I had. So I've got a letter from with 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:41.920 my photo on it, my release. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:43.920 Letter from Chart. 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:46.920 So I show that to the lady and she said, 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.360 mister Nodle, we know who you are. We know who 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:56.360 you are, but that's not acceptable idea either. So you 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.680 need three forms of ID. You've got one, I said, 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:02.880 I haven't got an electricity account. I haven't got a 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.560 rate to notice I've got She said, we need to 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:06.000 know where. 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:06.760 You're living, you know. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.959 And I understand that she's only doing a job, and 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.080 she's actually a little bit upset for me. And I'm 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:20.960 getting frustrated, frustrated and upset and upset, and my daughter 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:22.560 she put her arms around me. She said it'd be 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.440 all right, dad, You're right. And the lady said, look, 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.000 let me go and talk to my supervisor. So the 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.679 supervisor come over and she said, hi, mister Nuddle, how 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:35.359 I mean they are really good people, really polite, said 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.280 I understand we've got a problem, and I said yeah. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.600 And I said, but I need my license. I said, 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.119 I want to be able to get around. And she said, okay, 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.119 So I'm going to ask you a few questions and 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.639 if you answer them correctly, we'll be able to get 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:52.760 over the hurdle and I can authorize it. When was 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.560 the last time I had a traffic infringement? And a 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.800 couple of other questions. So fine that we got through 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.520 all that and I got my life license, but it 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:06.040 was really traumatic. It was all Lisa said, Dad, you 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:11.679 were just stunned, and you look out of place. You 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.119 look and you were looking around as if to say, 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.320 what do I do? And I thought, I got home, 0:18:17.359 --> 0:18:21.199 and I thought, I've come from being a minister of 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.840 the crown full of confidence. 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.359 Good at what I do to this? To this, you know? 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:35.600 And yeah, it was really hard, really really hard. 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.800 And I took him to the Transport department to get 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:44.280 his license, and he was just it was so hard 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:49.479 because he's out in society. People were recognizing him at 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.399 that point, and it was just a lot of stimulation, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:57.439 you know, you can imagine almost overwhelming, overwhelming, overwhelming. And 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.520 then that night we had a roast because my cooks 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.080 a great roast, and I remember we put a tarp 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:06.119 hole and we had I've got a big back downstairs, 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:09.040 big back outdoor area, and we put a tar hole 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.920 and upside because there was still media and stuff there, 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:12.880 and we put the tarp hole. 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.919 Not they play cricket. And it was just a great, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:19.160 great day. So it was a really really good day. 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:25.880 Do you think, given the day you've just described, do 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:29.879 you think it was worth it to get new kids, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.480 in his words, into the property market. 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.359 No, absolutely not. No, I would have rather rent for 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.280 the rest of my life than deal with that. It was. 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.840 It's so traumatic. I still have so much trauma. I 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.920 have flashbacks every single day. There are things like even 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.520 this morning, I was I felt sick, not because I 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:55.359 was worried about you, but just remembering. There's not a 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.320 day that goes by that I don't remember something. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:00.760 Yeah. 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:04.120 No, it was not worth it, not worth it at all. 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:08.359 Do you think if he'd asked you before he made 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:11.640 the arrangement with Telbert, would you have said yes? 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:17.600 Probably not, because I don't like taking things from people 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.760 in that way, like I wouldn't ask my dad for 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.520 money in that respect. Or I would have said, no, Dad, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:26.159 don't worry about that. Well, you know, it's something for 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.240 us to do as we get older, you know. I 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:30.240 mean to be very honest, it wasn't even something i'd 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.280 thought about at that point. I was single, I was 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.000 living my best life. I was in my twenties. I 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:39.320 you know, it was beginning of my career, and I 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.320 was working at Mount Saint Michael's at that time and 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.120 doing really well there. I was traveling, so it wasn't 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.960 something I'd even considered buying a house. 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:49.720 It was not even on my radar. 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:53.919 Yeah, so I would have said, no, Dad, don't worry 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.560 about it, you know. And even now I would say 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.200 the same thing, just because I wouldn't. I don't want 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.040 that from my dad, Like it's not important to me. 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.600 Stuff's not important to me. Wouldn't have mattered to me, 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.199 you know. So yeah, I would have said no. But 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.600 if he insisted, I would have said, make sure you 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.639 put it in the register. Isn't that the whole point? 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.760 Put it in the register? You know, even though I 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:22.240 understand why he didn't, But yeah, that would have saved 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:23.680 a lot of heartache. 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:27.040 Given all that you've been through, and if you can 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:33.000 compartmentalize the emotion of it all, you've obviously done research 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:37.159 into it and you're aware of the situation. Do you 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:40.040 think he was guilty? 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:45.320 No, No, I don't. I don't think he was guilty 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:53.960 of a crime. I think he wanted to help his children. 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.240 I don't ever think that he had intended to do 0:21:57.359 --> 0:22:01.320 anything for Ken Talbot. I don't believe that at all. 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:07.160 Do you think he was unfairly treated because of who 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:07.560 he was? 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.879 Yes? I do, I really do. 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.240 He took or he borrowed the money from Ken talbot 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:19.320 to help you kids out. He was in maximum security 0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.200 for five years, prison farm for almost one, and then 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.800 another eight years on parole. Was it worth it? 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.879 No, I guess not. You could say that, Yeah, we 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:35.280 didn't really didn't know what was going on until all 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:40.160 this came out, So yeah, it's hard to say that. 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:41.879