WEBVTT - The Billboard, The 'Idiots' & The Big Apology 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.120 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:10.840 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:10.880 --> 0:00:14.200 Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, The Real 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:18.000 Reason behind Molly May and Tommy Fury Split, the Queensland 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.280 influencer charged with torturing her baby to boost her social 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:25.479 media following, and finance podcast a Victoria Devine is in 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:30.320 hot water for her comments over that controversial billboard. But first, 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.600 it's been a turbulent time for TikTok users in the US. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:37.400 On Sunday, one hundred and seventy million Americans were shut 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.640 out from the app as a nationwide band took effect. 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:42.239 To the US government. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.080 I'm never forgiving you for this. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:47.120 I was so dumb coming on the internet and crying 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:47.800 about an app. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:49.720 But the fact is that this has been a sense 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:50.760 of community for me. 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.880 But the band was short lived because within fourteen hours 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:57.960 TikTok was back. I feel like there would have been 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.880 a few red faces because I saw so many creators 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:06.560 in hysterical tears. I also saw many TikTok creators exposing 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:08.440 secrets before the app went down. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:09.080 Yeah, there'd be a. 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.760 Lot of regret over that I was pretty shocked by 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.440 the message that TikTok users receive, so they've got to 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.920 pop up message saying sorry, TikTok isn't available right now. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.440 A law banning TikTok has been enacted in the US. Unfortunately, 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.840 that means you can't use TikTok for now. We are 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.759 fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he will work 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.399 with US on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.000 takes office. Please stay tuned. And it didn't take Donald 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.280 Trump too long to take credit for TikTok's return. So 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.319 he was speaking at an inauguration event and he told crowds, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.600 as of today, TikTok is back. We have no choice. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.640 We have to save it. He then went on to 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.280 suggest that the US was set to own fifty percent 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:50.920 of the company, telling the media it would make a 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:56.639 lot of money. So if TikTok is worth nothing zero 0:01:57.600 --> 0:01:59.360 without an approval, you know, if you don't. 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.440 Approve of business, there worth nothing. 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.760 If you do approve, there worth like a trillion dollars. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.200 There worth some crazy number. 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.560 So I said, I'll approve, but. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:14.880 Let the United States of America own fifty percent of TikTok. 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.400 I'm approving on behalf of the ivinal self. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:20.160 I want to cut through the crap here because he 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:22.440 is acting like a hero when he is the one 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.560 who initiated talks back in twenty twenty to ban the 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.280 app over fears that it was a national security risk. 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.320 This just seems to be some big public that he's 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.400 stunt for Donald Trump. I think he's in cahoots with TikTok. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.680 The fact that they even named him in that initial 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.239 pop up message, and also the fact that TikTok did 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.800 have that big blackout in the US. No one was 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.280 expecting it to actually go down. Well, it was early 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.919 as well, and there were a lot of rumors saying, well, no, 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:47.880 it's not going to cancel out if you have the 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.200 TikTok app, It's just going to stop people from downloading TikTok. Yeah, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.079 people thought it was going to be a slow transition 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.000 away from TikTok. It wasn't going to be something that 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:57.520 suddenly just got blacked out. It's scary to see what 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.720 is unfolding on our social media apps. Last week, Mark 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.160 Zuckerberg got rid of fact checking on Facebook and Instagram. 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.440 We can see that he is kissing the ring as 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.800 people are saying of Donald Trump, he is sucking up 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.480 to Donald Trump at the moment. Donald Trump also has 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.440 Elon Musk in his camp, and now we're seeing that 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.959 he's in cahoots with TikTok, the app that he originally 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.600 wanted to get rid of. Now I want to get 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.120 to the fun stuff. Let's talk about this TikTok confession trend. 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.240 So before the app shut down, a lot of creators 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.200 jumped on this audio clip from Family Guy where Peter 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.400 Griffin made a confession to his family. So a lot 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.000 of people lip synced to this grab and then they 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.520 made their own confession. 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.120 Since we're all going to die, there's one more secret 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.920 I feel I have to share with you now. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.520 One of the TikTokers that ruffled feathers was Lexi Hidlergo, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.560 and she's really well known for her coffee chats and 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.120 also for her workout videos, and she revealed to her 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.880 two point seven million followers that she never once drank 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.880 coffee in her coffee chats and that she only did 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.520 half the workouts. She posted this confession, as you can imagine, 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.119 went down like a lead balloon. Everyone was like, why 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.160 the fuck would you admit this, especially if you're trying 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:11.800 to get followers to follow you over to Instagram. It 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.120 just makes it looks so inauthentic. Well, the one that 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:17.560 upset me the most was beauty influencer Meredith Duxby, and 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:20.440 she has gained a lot of attention on TikTok for 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.000 using an outrageous amount of foundations. So she will put 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.080 about twelve pumps onto her face and it's all about 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.120 trusting the process because she always looks incredible after. Well, 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.480 she has admitted that she wiped a hell of a 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:36.000 lot of that makeup off before the final results. She 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.800 said it was just for rage baiting, which is obviously worse. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:41.680 The worst one was some of the creators who admitted 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.839 that they never used the products that they promoted on 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.559 their TikTok shop. There must be so many people kicking 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.400 themselves so jumping on this trend, And as you said earlier, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.000 I don't understand it because it's not like these people 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.160 were going to lose their following. People were going to 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.520 go across to Instagram or red No or Snapchat and 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.080 still follow these people. Yeah, I'm how stupid can you be? 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.159 It's literally just ruined any credibility they might have had. Also, 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.480 I would be really pissed off as one of the 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:10.160 brands that's done sponsored work with them, because you'd be questioning, Oh, okay, cool. 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.280 So you've pretty much told everyone you hated the products 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:13.200 we provided you with. 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.920 Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.280 the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.400 took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:23.520 me millions, all right. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.040 A national real estate agency has caused a stir online 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:31.200 after bragging on a billboard that they've been making homes 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:35.359 more expensive since twenty seventeen. The backlash was swift, with 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.400 the agency labeled out of touch in the current housing 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:43.640 affordability crisis. Amidst the drama, finance podcaster Victoria Devine went 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.800 into bat for the agency, calling people who don't get 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.239 the billboard idiots. Now, So, when this story first broke, 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:52.760 there was a lot of confusion because the real estate 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.640 agency in question shares the same name as one of 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:59.160 Australia's most popular online clothing stores. Yeah, that's right, if 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:02.920 you believe it. This agency is called White Fox real Estate. 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:05.680 And what makes things even more confusing is that it's 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:09.279 branding is nearly identical to the clothing retailer. Well, we 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.680 actually spoke about White Fox real Estate probably a month 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.200 ago now, when Steph kless Smith revealed that she was 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:15.080 selling her home. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:15.360 Yeah. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.640 Well, the name of the agency is derived from the 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:21.400 founder's name, Marty Fox, and he's recently found fame as 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.080 a judge on the Block and he is your stereotypical 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.960 real estate agent. He's very good looking, he dresses well, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:30.040 he's got flashy white teeth, and he's very confident. And 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.960 because of his appearance on the Block, he has around 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:37.440 thirty four thousand followers online. His agency specializes in luxury 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:39.240 real estate and as you touched on Kate, he has 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.680 a number of celebrity clients like Steph Klesmith and Josh Miller. 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.880 He currently has Sam Wood and Snees's home on his 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.120 listings at the moment, so you can tell the type 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.560 of clientele he works with. Now. The drama kicked off 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:54.440 when a passer by snapped a photo of the controversial 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.039 billboard in Perth and shared their thoughts on TikTok so. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:01.080 The TikTok's user's name is m Redman, and she's got 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:04.280 around three thousand followers. So she shared vision of the 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.680 billboard with the slogan making homes more expensive since twenty seventeen, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.560 and she wrote, maybe not the message to be gloating 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.800 about in the middle of a housing crisis. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:14.000 Now. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.440 This video quickly garnered three hundred thousand views and people 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.680 started making reaction videos. And again there was a lot 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.200 of confusion in M's comment section because her audience assumed 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:26.800 that the billboard was from the clothing brand. So one 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.200 user wrote, I thought this was about White Fox, the 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.239 clothing label and was so lost, and that comment received 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.840 four thousand likes. Another user said I'm so confused. Do 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.200 you mean you're spending more money on their clothes when 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.000 you could be saving for a house? And another time 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.080 beIN saying that advertising must be terrible because I drive 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:47.160 past one of their offices every day, and up until 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.760 now I thought they were White Fox, the clothing brand. 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:53.520 I'm very curious from this if this lack of branding 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.400 distinction is one of the reasons why the agency was 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.360 so desperate to create a stir. Maybe they thought a 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.600 stun like this was going to help them build some 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.840 much needed brand awareness and cement their spot in the 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.680 real estate market. Surely Marty being on the block is 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.080 enough advertisement though like good advertisement for well, clearly not, 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.560 because a lot of people have not heard of them. 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.680 I had to look on Google and they appear straight 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.480 after White Fox Boutique, So this stunt hasn't been able 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:20.520 to get them top spot just yet. That's not how 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.119 SEO works over. I used to work at an SEO firm, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:25.760 and you don't generally type in the name of the 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.360 real estate company to find them because you know what already, 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.160 so you're going to search their u URL. If you're 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.080 looking for a real estate agent, you were type in 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.719 real estate agent Adelaide's Those are the terms that real 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.800 estate companies would be going and it sounds like they 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:39.600 only want the rich and famous anyway, So as long 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.760 as the lights of Steph Claire Smith knows the difference 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.040 between White Fox Boutique and White Fox real Estate. When 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.040 this story blew up, it was picked up by the 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.480 Today Show and even Karl Stefanovic was confused. Here's what 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:53.520 he said, and it's just stating the facts that at 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.320 White Fox, that's what we do. We try and get 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:56.559 you as much money as possible. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:58.920 I thought you made women's lingerie white Fox. 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.559 Has that a different White Fox, That's a different one. 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.880 I love that you still didn't quite get it right 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.000 that it's apparel clothing brand, not just lingerie. He's like 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.040 offended both of the marketing teams of White Fox Boutique. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.320 In White Fox real Estate Now, the comments section on 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:17.599 M's TikTok post was relatively mixed. So many people acknowledge 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.960 that it's a real estate agent's job to make as 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.480 much money for their client as possible and that the 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.280 housing crisis was not their fault, whilst others were outraged 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.560 and thought the billboard added unnecessary salt to the wound 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.160 for those who've been priced out of the market. So 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.560 one user wrote, read the room, White Fox, whilst another said, 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.560 imagine driving passes ad in your car you were forced 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.040 to live in because of the current Perth housing market. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:44.080 I really think that your reaction to this campaign mostly 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:47.720 depends on what financial position you're in, because if you 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:50.640 own a home and you're looking at selling, you want 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.800 to know that your real estate agent is working for 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.400 you and they're going to get the best price for you. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:55.680 But if you are. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.880 Currently a buyer, and you're having a tough time financially. 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.720 This is going to make you feel so resentful and hopeless. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.439 You feel like you're never going to get a house. 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.720 You're going to feel ripped off whatever house you do get. Yeah, Well, 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:11.280 for White Fox, I think it's clever marketing because the 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:14.080 people that are offended are not the target market they're 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.199 going for. This is for these high earners who want 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.120 to make as much money as possible. I mean, yes, 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.839 questioning why they chose a billboard for that then, because 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:25.360 that type of advertising you can't measure the return on 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.800 investment of it. It's literally for everyone to see. It's 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.800 that say and spray method. It's douchey though, whereas if 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.000 they had actually used targeted marketing towards people in that 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.440 top echelon, it probably would have done a lot better. Kate, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.400 they knew exactly what they were doing by putting this 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.400 billboard up. This is a classic case of rage baiting. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.959 They were banking on someone passing by being completely outraged 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.199 and posting this on social media and it going viral. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.599 It's very clever and I think that this achieved exactly 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.960 what they wanted it to achieve. Well, so many people 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:00.840 now know that they're really state firm and not a 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.440 clothing boutique. They knew that this bragging about making homes 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:08.040 more expensive was going to elicit a huge response, particularly 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.360 when we are in the midst of such a huge 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.800 housing affordability crist I don't think that type of publicity 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.480 is particularly good for this real estate company because now 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.480 people are like, ah, they're a bit douchey, Yeah, rubbing 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:22.480 it into the common man. But the people who think 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.400 that are people who aren't their customer base. Because not 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.840 only did they attract free commercial attention from this, he 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:30.560 appeared on the Today Show. There was a ton of 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:34.360 mainstream media publications, but it was also a very powerful 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:39.199 value proposition because the slogan, directly spelled out to prospective customers, 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.839 will get you the most money for your home, which 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.880 ultimately is what every seller wants to hear. And White 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.720 Fox knew they weren't going to offend their target demographic, 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.160 which is the insanely wealthy people who own multiple properties. 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.400 Their target demo would have looked at this slogan and 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.480 had a chuckle and thought, Gee, these guys are super confident. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.360 They're good at what they do. I want them to 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:01.720 get the best for me. They weren't going to have 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:05.840 an emotional reaction to this slogan. Yea, even most everyday people. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.480 I get what you're saying, Sophie, because when I was 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.520 in the market to buy a house with my husband, 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.240 there were real estate agents that popped up and you'd 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.840 go along to the inspection and you go, oh fuck, 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.920 I don't want to deal with them. This house is 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.720 going to be so expensive. However, if I was looking 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.560 to sell, I would totally engage them to sell my 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.200 house because my mindset is they're going to get me 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.280 the most money. There's been a lot of questions over 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.240 whether this has damaged Marty Fox's personal brand because he 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:33.880 was very popular on The Block, and the majority of 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.640 people who watch that show they're everyday Ozzy, So I 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:38.559 wonder if this has left a bad taste in their matt. 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.640 I don't think it's going to affect Marty's brand at all. 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.920 But someone whose brand has been affected is finance podcaster 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.400 Victoria Divine. For those who aren't familiar with Victoria, she 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.600 is a retired financial advisor who is the host of 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:55.080 hugely successful podcasts She's on the Money Now, She's on 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.480 the Money is marketed as a finance podcast that shares honest, 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:03.000 relatable and non judgment financial advice to women. Victoria has 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:06.880 also written three best selling books which provide financial literacy 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.680 to women. She is also hugely successful in the business wll. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:13.599 She is a founder of Zella, a finance broking practice 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:16.360 which supports people through the process of buying a home, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:20.280 investment or dream asset. Now, how Victoria fits in this 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.160 story is that she's friends with Marty Fox and she 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.560 saw the backlash he was receiving, and in response to 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.400 one of his Instagram stories about the Billboard, she sent 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:32.520 him a DM saying, the people talking shit aren't your 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:34.240 target demographic. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:34.559 They're idiots. 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:38.520 I got it immediately, brilliant. Now, Marty replied saying, can 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.760 I post and say that Even one of the smartest 0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.560 business minds in Australia even gets it? And a woman 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.559 who empowers others to get ahead to is not confused 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.920 by this message. There's a lot of ego stroking involved 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.040 in that to get what he wanted, So Victoria replied, 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.480 of course, so she gave him permission to post her 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.800 opinion on the billboard. Marty went ahead and shared the 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.360 screenshot of the post, writing Victoria Divine, Ossie financial advisor, 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.600 author and podcast host known for empowering millennials to take 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.920 control of their finance, even gets it now. This didn't 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.840 get quite the reaction that Victoria was expecting. TikToker m Redman, 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.920 who initially posted about the Billboard, shared this screenshot to 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.920 TikTok and wrote, when the real estate ceo posts your 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.600 comment making fun of like ninety percent of your podcast audience, 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:26.720 We're not idiots. We get the Billboard. It just makes 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.440 us angry because it's a symbol of the crisis we're 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:33.040 trapped in now. The video quickly attracted over one hundred 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.480 and sixty seven thousand views. The comment section was absolutely scathing. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.200 One TikToker wrote, oh my god, what the fuck Marty 0:14:40.240 --> 0:14:43.480 Fox and Victoria Divine? Her response is so disgusting. Is 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.360 this real chucking out her book now? Another said oh gross, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.400 immediately unfollowed She's on the money, whilst another said Oopsie's 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.800 not a nice way to speak about your own target demographic. Now, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.480 Victoria was on the front foot, so she released an 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.600 apology video that afternoon. What I initially liked about this 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.720 apology video was that Victoria spoke directly on camera to 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.920 her audience, so she didn't put up a black tile 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:11.360 like a lot of other influencers do with text over it. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.520 She put up quite a long video where she actually 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:17.280 acknowledged a lot of the points. Let's have a listen 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:17.960 to what she said. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.600 Hey, guys, I just wanted to jump on here and 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.680 address a couple of comments that I have seen online 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:29.640 today about me being tone deaf and completely. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:29.920 Out of touch. 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.400 And I can't disagree with you. At the end of 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.400 the day, the comments I made were tone deaf and 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.240 completely out of touch, and for that I apologize. I 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:44.080 am genuinely really sorry. I can promise you that I 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.040 never made comments like this with the hope to make 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:51.360 anybody feel less than or make any fewone feel stupid 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.800 or dumb, because at the end of the day, my 0:15:54.080 --> 0:16:00.600 entire purpose is to financially empower women in particular, and 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:04.280 there's no world in which I would want anyone to 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:07.040 feel stupid. And I want to be really clear, I 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:12.000 was not saying that people who can't buy property are idiots. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.240 I was saying that people who didn't understand the billboard 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.080 were idiots, and that is very rude. Still, that is 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.920 very unacceptable and for that I do apologize. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.240 Now, Victoria provided context for those who might not have 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:29.080 been across the whole story and confirm the screenshot was 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.720 from a conversation between her and Marty and that the 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.320 intention of her comment was to support a friend. She 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.480 also confirmed she gave Marty permission to post a screenshot, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.520 as at the time she didn't see it as an issue. 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.280 It is interesting to note, though, when describing the billboard 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:48.920 in this apology video, Victoria misquoted the slogan. So this 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.880 was pointed out by another TikToker called Rachel McQueen. So 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.720 Victoria misquoted the billboard and said making property more expensive 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:02.200 since twenty seventeen, when it actually said making homes more expensive. Now, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.000 to me, the word home was strategically used on this 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.480 billboard to evoke more anger and outrage from the everyday 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.280 ossie because the word home is a motive. It's the 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:15.000 place where you feel a sense of stability and security. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.720 I feel like Victoria may have been trying to lessen 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.760 the blow by pretending that the campaign said properties and 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:24.399 not homes, because the word property is far less of motive. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.600 It speaks to a possession. It doesn't speak to a 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:29.399 place where everyday Australians live. And when you hear the 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:32.560 word property, it makes you think of rich and elite 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.080 people who own a number of properties that they rent out. 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:37.280 I disagree, Sophie. I just think it was a slip 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.919 of the tongue. The video went for about six minutes. 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.280 She was very off the cuff in the video. In 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:46.280 this apology, she referenced that she'd done wrong. She owned 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:50.080 up to saying I shouldn't have called my audience idiots. 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:51.760 I think it was a slip of the time. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:51.919 Oh. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.560 I mean, I definitely think that this was a good apology. 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.080 I just think it's interesting to analyze the misuse of 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.960 words there. Now. She did apologize several times, as you said, Amy, 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.040 and she apologized for hurting people by her comments and 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.400 making people feel less than She completely owned up to it. 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:13.200 I found this next admission really interesting because Victoria admitted 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:16.159 in the apology that she'd read all the comments about 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.879 her and she found them confronting because she agrees that 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.080 she has become out of touch and unrelatable. Here's what 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:23.560 she said. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:29.320 They're really upsetting, but they are also very confronting because 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.560 some of them, You're not wrong. I am a little 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.199 bit out of touch nowadays. I am, you know, a 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.239 little bit unrelatable. But what I want you to know 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.520 is that I know you because I was you. I 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.639 have been in a position where I have been in 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.800 mountains of debt, not knowing how I was going to 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.880 pay it off. I have been in a position where 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.040 I just didn't think that property was ever going to 0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:59.679 be for me. And now I am in the very 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.640 foot position where I do own property, and I am 0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:07.000 very grateful for that. But I just want to make 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.800 sure that the people that are in my community know 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.679 that I would never think of you were stupid or 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.679 less than or not worthy of these things. 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.720 Do you guys think that the money expert has to 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.160 be relatable or can they simply be aspirational. I think 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.960 it's difficult for Victoria Divine because you can see she's 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.840 wrestling with trying to be relatable but then also showcasing 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:36.919 that she is a successful businesswoman. And unfortunately, especially women 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:40.840 in the media and women who are influencers, they do 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:43.119 struggle with showing off their wealth because a lot of 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.280 people tear them down over it. I think if Victoria 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.399 was struggling to get by, and it was clear that 0:19:49.480 --> 0:19:53.160 her tips for financial freedom weren't working or advancing her 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.520 in any way. We would not be willing to take 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.840 her advice on board. I see her as a very 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.280 aspirational business woman and someone that a lot of women, 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.000 particularly in her community, look up to. So for the 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:08.040 average person, maybe her lifestyle doesn't seem achievable, but maybe 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.800 they think if I implement some of these tips, I 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:13.320 might get a bit further ahead like her. Yeah, but 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.720 I think what a lot of listeners are grappling with 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:19.840 is Victoria will share money hacks to save I don't know, 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.480 like the tram fare, But then people see her in 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.960 designer clothing and at her beach house and they're like, well, 0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.119 that seems a little bit disingenuous. So it's this the 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.840 lifestyle and her influencing career is not really matching up 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:36.640 with what she shares on her money podcast, and that's 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.720 where the clash is wrong or right. I mean, as 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.000 you said, Sophie, I think she's a very successful business 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.359 woman and she should be well within her riots to 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.879 promote the successes that she's had. But I can see 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.240 why there is a clash. I agree, because, as you said, 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.880 she hands out money advice to her community, but then 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.040 her community when they jump on her Instagram, they see 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.560 that she doesn't apply that to the way that she lives. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.480 And that's been because she doesn't have to, because she 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.360 doesn't have the same financial pressures as her audience. I mean, 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:06.760 she said herself that she's out of touch at the moment, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.720 and I do wonder if that's impacting on her podcast success. 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.560 I mean, it's always in the charts, but I have 0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.199 seen a lot of negative commentary in her reviews and 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:20.280 also online more recently, because she has been very vocal 0:21:20.680 --> 0:21:25.560 and jumping on board different topics of discussion. So, for instance, 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.800 she has been really vocal about all of the Kate 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:31.080 Forster stuff, and she is on a bit of a 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:33.960 crusade about MLMs, and whilst a lot of people have 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.280 agreed with her stance on them, I think people have 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:40.280 found maybe the approach to be a bit aggressive, and 0:21:40.440 --> 0:21:43.240 I think that is backed up by her recent discussions 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:47.480 around Kate Forster. The apology did receive a mixed reception, 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:49.960 so a lot of people found it to be very genuine. 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:53.159 You could hear the raw emotion in Victoria's voice, and 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.760 you felt like she was genuinely sorry for affecting her community, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.600 whilst others said it's interesting to hear the opinion that 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.679 she's behind closed doors and thought that the emission of 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.280 her being out of touch made her look worse. What 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:09.000 I found quite surprising about the whole thing is that 0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:12.320 she agreed for the screenshot of her message to be 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:16.359 shared and then suddenly realized how bad it sounded, not 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:21.919 because of hindsight, but because she obviously absolutely copped it. 0:22:22.040 --> 0:22:22.240 Yeah. 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:24.880 Well, let's throw to a reaction video that's currently going 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.119 viral to paint a picture of how some people are feeling. 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:30.720 Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All 0:22:30.720 --> 0:22:33.080 the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast, 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.200 took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.120 me millions, all right, I'm talking about all the other 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.199 girls that can't buy their first home because you know 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:42.000 it's your fault. 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:42.840 You're idiots. 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:46.399 You're not my target demographic, because really, the housing market, 0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:48.280 what's that got to do with me? Nothing. 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.920 Someone else who wasn't pleased and buying into the apology 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.600 was TikTok of Rachel McQueen, who has over eighty four 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.320 thousand followers now, she created a ten minute video sharing 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:02.919 her thoughts on Victoria's apology. She said she thought the 0:23:02.960 --> 0:23:04.840 apology seemed disingenuous. 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:09.280 In my opinion, the reason that Victoria apologized is because, 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:14.480 unlike Marty, she did upset and alienate her target demographic, 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.760 the people that she makes money from, the people who 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:23.200 look to her for honest, relatable and non judgmental financial advice. 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:24.320 Of course she's going to. 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:28.800 Apologize when her whole brand is being relatable and non judgmental, 0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:31.800 and it's just been discovered and a lot of people 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.840 are upset by the fact that she's not those things. 0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:40.800 That is why she apologized and Marty didn't. That is 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:44.240 why she apologized and Marty didn't because it was her 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:49.080 target demographic that were upset, not Marty's. Marty's target demographic 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:52.240 are people trying to profit from the housing crisis. Her 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:55.879 target demographic, especially through her new business ventures Zella Money, 0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.320 is people who are struggling because of the housing crisis. 0:23:59.440 --> 0:24:03.120 Victoria is in a dichotomy. She lives in a completely 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.080 different world to the people she's marketing to. It may 0:24:06.160 --> 0:24:08.000 not have been that way in the beginning, but it 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:10.840 certainly is that way. Now. Did she admit in her 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:13.159 apology that she is now out of touch with the 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:15.720 people that she's marketing to and that support her, Yes, 0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:19.000 she did, But I am still not convinced that that 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.800 apology comes from a place of being empathetic toward those people. 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:27.240 I still believe, until it's proven otherwise, that the apology 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:30.399 came from a place of desperately trying to repair the 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.440 relationship with the majority of her audience, because, as em 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:38.240 put beautifully in this video and directly to Victoria, Victoria's 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:42.080 audience are struggling and cannot outsave and out hustle a 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:43.000 housing crisis. 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:47.119 It is interesting to note that Victoria has since deleted 0:24:47.359 --> 0:24:50.800 her apology. What do you think about that move? I 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:52.600 think it came down to a few factors. She was 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.600 probably absolutely copying it in the comment section, which isn't 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:57.520 pleasant and sometimes you just don't want. 0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:57.879 To deal with. 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.560 I also think maybe it came down to sponsorship opportunities. 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:03.840 It's not a good look to have a video up 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.200 where you're saying you're out of touch and you aren't 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.240 relatable to your core demographic when you are trying to 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.000 get people on board. That isn't not worse to delete it, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:14.720 because the way social media works is people will have 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.760 saved it and they'll stitch it up on TikTok or 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:20.960 on Instagram. And now you go over to her page 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:23.920 and it looks like she's even guiltier because she's removed it. Well, 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.600 she also recently deleted a video where she called out 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:30.240 Kate Forster, So it's difficult because you want to look 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:32.000 like you believe in what you say and the content 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.159 that you put out there. I was really interested to 0:25:34.200 --> 0:25:36.360 see if she's on the money, had lost any followers 0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:40.200 since this drama. What surprised me is they've actually gained followers, 0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:43.120 So they gained four thy two hundred this week, which 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:46.320 can sometimes happen when scandals break out. Over the four 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:50.080 days when the controversy broke, Victoria did lose one hundred 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:53.040 and twenty two followers, but over the weekend she picked 0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:55.840 up another five hundred and eighty four, so it doesn't 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.119 seem to be affecting her brand too much. But maybe 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:01.240 she got some advice to take it down because it 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.040 didn't look great to sponsors. 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:03.400 See. 0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:05.600 I think a lot of the followers that she picked up. 0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:08.600 Aren't genuine followers. They're probably just following her for the 0:26:08.640 --> 0:26:11.040 controversy and maybe a bit of hate following. I hate 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:11.399 to say it. 0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:17.720 Yeah, hey guys, hello, Oh so nice to. 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:19.400 Come. 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.040 It's been a big week for Molly May Hague and 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.760 Tommy Fury. Just two days before Molly's tell all documentary 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.920 aired on Prime, Tommy piped her at the Post, revealing 0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:33.320 the real reason behind their shock breakup. In an interview 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:36.080 with Men's Health, the boxer revealed it was his addiction 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.359 to alcohol that caused the split. Kate, there is a 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:41.440 lot to unpack here. I am dying to talk about 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.240 the Molly May doco, but let's start chronologically with what 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.840 Tommy had to say on Wednesday. It is the first 0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:50.000 time Tommy has acknowledged he's had a problem with alcohol. Yeah, 0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:51.800 it is, and it did come as quite a surprise 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.680 to some of his fans. So during the emotional interview, 0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:58.440 Tommy revealed his dependence on alcohol actually started early last 0:26:58.520 --> 0:27:01.679 year after he had react instructive surgery on his hand. 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:04.960 So the surgery was to repair a boxing injury from 0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.480 twenty nineteen when he snapped all the ligaments in the 0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:10.720 back of his hand. I actually remember Molly vlogging Tommy 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.720 post surgery and he was really frustrated. We now know 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.760 that that recovery had a very detrimental impact on Tommy's 0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.240 mental health, and in the interview he said his mental 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:21.440 health was in the pan, and he started to spend 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.000 nights drinking with the goal to get blackout drunk. 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.639 The reason why me and Molly broke up because I 0:27:28.080 --> 0:27:30.959 got addicted to alcohol and I couldn't be the partner 0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.480 that I wanted to be anymore. And it kills me 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:37.760 to say it's true, you know, I couldn't be. I 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.840 was loved to pint of beer, love to drink, you know. 0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.040 And it is what it is. People go through different 0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.000 things in life, and I have, you know, we all 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:46.080 have our crosses to bear. 0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:50.480 Tommy isn't the only member of his family to grapple 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.760 with addiction. His brother, Tyson Fury, who was the heavyweight 0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.840 champion of the world, he has also struggled with alcohol 0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.360 addiction and cocaine abuse. Yeah, and we saw that play 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.879 out a little bit in real time on Tyson's doco 0:28:02.040 --> 0:28:05.720 last year. Now, as expected, Tommy continued to deny cheating 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.960 was involved in this relationship breakdown. So initially, when the 0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:11.919 couple broke up back in August, the internet was rife 0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.480 with rumors that Tommy had cheated on Molly, and one 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.600 persistent rumor was that Molly called off their relationship after 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:19.720 being sent a video of Tommy up to no good 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.440 on a boy's trip to Macedonia, and it even led 0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:24.760 to a woman coming out to the media and claiming 0:28:24.800 --> 0:28:26.800 that they kissed but she didn't know who he was. 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.320 There was also that rumor at the beginning of the 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.920 breakup that Tommy had got another woman pregnant who was 0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.600 actually the daughter of a boxing coach. Well, that one 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.480 got shut down really quickly because the woman had to 0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:40.880 come out and say no, this is my partner and 0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:43.320 the father of my child. And at the time, Tommy 0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:46.680 did vehemently deny these rumors, and a spokesperson for the 0:28:46.720 --> 0:28:49.960 boxer said that his legal team were investigating them. Now, 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.920 his stance on the cheating allegation was no different in 0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:54.320 this men's health interview. 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:55.360 Here's what he said. 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.840 There's been so much shit, so much crap in the 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.720 every single day for the past six months. I've done 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:07.120 this and I've done that, and it's like people don't 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:08.840 know the half of it. If it's not come from 0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.400 my mouth or Molly's mouth, it's complete a not of bullshit. 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:15.440 It's like all I've been seen for the past six 0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:18.600 months is cheeta, cheeta, cheeta, cheeta. Oh, he cheated, he 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.720 slept with me, slept with this girl, slept with that girl. 0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:24.200 Complete a lot of bollocks, and you can ask Molly yourself. 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.120 I cannot get over the timing of this interview. Firstly, 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:32.040 it dropped two days before Molly's documentary Behind it All 0:29:32.080 --> 0:29:35.200 aired on Prime. The producers would have been absolutely spewing. 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.360 This would have all been pre planned, particularly between Molly, 0:29:38.560 --> 0:29:41.880 Tommy and their management. They wouldn't want Molly to be 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.640 revealing Tommy's secret because it looks like she would be 0:29:45.720 --> 0:29:48.400 exposing something that he's perhaps not ready to talk about 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.480 when it is something as serious as alcohol addiction. I 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.840 think you're right, Sophie, but I think this strategy has 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:56.840 only been enacted since the New Year's Kiss because a 0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:59.160 lot of people now think that Tommy and Molly are 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.600 back together. Yeah, the New Year's Kiss definitely has a 0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.880 lot to do with the timing of this doco, particularly 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.239 because originally I think that all six episodes were going 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:08.680 to be aired at the same time, but it's now 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:10.920 been broken up to have three air now and then 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.920 three air in autumn. The date hasn't even been set. 0:30:13.960 --> 0:30:16.000 It's clear that they're still filming because so much has 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:18.400 gone on behind the scenes, and it's hard for this 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.480 doco to keep up with the immediacy of TikTok and 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:24.760 everything that is happening. I don't think the producers, though, 0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:27.680 would have been in on Molly allowing Tommy to go 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.560 to another rival media company in Men's Health and break 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:34.280 that news first. Because this doco it's called Behind All, 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:36.840 and it's been touted as the real story behind the breakup. 0:30:37.000 --> 0:30:39.000 I think Molly's gone behind the back of the producers 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.560 and agreed on this with Tommy because in an interview 0:30:41.680 --> 0:30:44.120 she did recently, she did say, well, Tommy's going to 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:45.960 come out and explain his side of things. 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.160 Well, I think it's Tommy's story to tell first. 0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:50.800 I think it would have looked completely inappropriate if Molly 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:51.920 was to break that news. 0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:53.520 I also noticed that. 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.080 The two messages weren't the same throughout, so Tommy said 0:30:56.120 --> 0:31:00.000 he has an alcohol problem, but in the documentary Molly's 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.040 said Tommy doesn't have an alcohol problem. 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.400 Drinking leads to problems. 0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:08.040 And that to me reading between the lines, either meant 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:11.600 that he cheated or it made me think, has things 0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:15.680 escalated behind the scenes, has something happened that again they're 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.240 not going to tell us about how I watched this 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:19.280 documentary with Dale and he said, do you know what, 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.800 maybe he's just a complete dickhead when he's been drinking. Well, 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.680 that's that vibe that everyone seemed to get. Yeah, and 0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:27.840 it was really interesting to be a fly on the 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.640 wall in that conversation between Molly and her mum, Debbie, 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.880 and I felt for Debbie because Molly revealed that when 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.840 her parents broke up, her mum had issues with alcohol 0:31:37.240 --> 0:31:39.760 and it was part of the reason why Molly didn't 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.040 want to be with someone who drank. And during the 0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:45.440 docco they showed Molly rewatching the scene on Love Island 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.239 when she first met Tommy, and they kept in the 0:31:48.240 --> 0:31:51.000 grab where Molly said, oh, do you drink and Tommy 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.320 said not really, and then she confirmed that she actually 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.560 doesn't drink either. That's a big part of her brand, 0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:58.000 her being sober. I mean, she's even spoke recently on 0:31:58.000 --> 0:32:00.720 a YouTube how she doesn't really like out and letting 0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:02.280 herself go and having a drink. 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:03.200 Isn't it interesting? Though? 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.560 Because this New Year's Eve kiss seemed to all come 0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:09.400 about because Molly was drinking and out there partying with Tommy. 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.160 Let's actually dive a little bit deeper into this doco. 0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.080 So it was meant to document the leader to Molly 0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.760 and Tommy's wedding, but when they broke up, it was 0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.200 repurposed into a documentary about Molly navigating life as a 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:24.120 single mum as she launched her brand Maybe. Did anyone 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:27.040 else feel like some sections of the episodes were just 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.600 blatant ads though for Maybe. I don't actually think it 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.440 was a great ad for Maybe though, because they mentioned 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.800 a lot of criticism that the brand has got, especially 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.840 over the balling of one of its blazers. I mean, 0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.240 I think it was more an ad for Molly May 0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:43.640 at her personal brand, which I suppose then cascades down 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:46.280 into Maybe because people are only really buying the clothes 0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.920 because of Molly May. But the documentary really showed from 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.400 her perspective that she was the one who was passionate 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.800 about rectifying this issue and giving back to her consumer 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.920 and making sure her audience weren't angry. Sophie really bought 0:32:57.920 --> 0:33:00.160 into the good prs, so I was laughing with Dale's say, 0:33:00.200 --> 0:33:02.400 I can imagine Sophi're working for her PR team. 0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:03.239 Well I did. 0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:06.080 What I did disagree with, though, is that they put 0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:08.720 out a statement saying anyone who's had issues with this 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.760 jacket please contact us, But they didn't actually outline whether 0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:13.800 they would get a refund. 0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.000 There was no resolution. 0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:16.760 They were acting like, oh, we just don't know what 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:19.360 to do. I said to Dale, just give everyone a 0:33:19.400 --> 0:33:22.840 refund financially, though I don't think that the brand could 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:24.800 handle it. So you need to come down because we 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.360 are recording a subscriber only episode really getting to the 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.760 nitty gritty of the doco. But for now, I really 0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.280 want to talk about what most people are interested in, 0:33:34.320 --> 0:33:36.360 and that is the breakup. So the number one reason 0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:38.760 people tuned in was to find out what actually happened. 0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.360 I know Tommy did pip Molly at the post, as 0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:43.680 you said earlier, but it was interesting to see that 0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:46.640 their stories did match up because again she did reveal 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:49.680 that drinking was a problem in terms of talking about 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:53.000 the cheating, though she really glazed over that, so she 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:56.280 didn't actually back Tommy up and say there was definitely 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.200 no cheating. She did say this. 0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:02.480 Though, on Somebody Pregnant, I'm really sorry to hear that 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:04.480 he's been with this person, And I was just like, 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.719 where is this coming from? It was a build up, 0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:09.440 and there was It was a lot of times of 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:15.919 sort of okay, like last chance type situation. Last chance, 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:17.920 last chance, last chance, There's only so. 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:18.719 Much that. 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:26.120 You can take. You kind of don't really have another choice. 0:34:26.560 --> 0:34:29.840 You just have to You just have to do what 0:34:29.840 --> 0:34:30.359 you have to do. 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:34.200 I feel like that comment was trying to shoot down 0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:36.919 the validity of some of those cheating claims. But then 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.360 when we saw the scene of Molly rewatching her proposal 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:44.200 to Tommy, she reiterated that they actually had a huge 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.359 argument on the way there because she thought he had 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.320 photos of another girl on his phone because he wouldn't 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.400 let her look at the phone. Yeah, he was being shady, 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.320 and she asked, oh, can I check out the photos 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:56.080 you took of me? And he was being funny about it, 0:34:56.080 --> 0:34:59.520 obviously because he had all of the engagement plans on 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.640 his phone. I saw a lot of people creating TikTok 0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.960 saying that it was interesting that they left that section 0:35:04.200 --> 0:35:07.160 of the interview in because it was sort of eluding 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:09.960 that there was cheating going on, but nothing confirming it. Oh, 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:12.000 there was so much eluding going on, and I think 0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:15.280 Tommy's alcohol problem is a lot easier to blame, especially 0:35:15.320 --> 0:35:18.080 if they do end up getting back together. I mean, 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:20.960 all of the conversations between Molly and her sister Zoe 0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:23.680 in the car alluded to cheating being involved. Yeah, you 0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:26.360 could tell that Zoe absolutely hates Tommy Fury's guts. I 0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.680 thought it was really interesting when Zoe said that she 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.080 had clashed with Tommy as well, because often it is 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.200 the sisters who have to get involved. Well, she said 0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:35.960 that she kept seeing Tommy cheating Molly so badly. Yeah, 0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.000 I suppose she felt she had to stand up to her. 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.720 And I think it's because Zoe has a really lovely husband. 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.719 His name's Danny. He's in the Army. He seems to 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:46.719 be the opposite of Tommy and what he stands for, 0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.680 So for her, she's like, why are you putting up 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:51.080 with this shit? Side note, My favorite scene of the 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.759 whole documentary so far was Molly and Zoe singing along 0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:57.000 to the Saddle Club. Oh yea, I know that that 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.160 was aired in the U game. I love it because 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:01.799 it was so related, even though they're driving around in 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:03.960 this fuck off g wag and it was just like 0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.080 every girl does that with their sister, have a little 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:10.240 sing alongs in the car. Back to Zoe hating Tommy's guts. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:13.799 It's also probably because she's the only family member who 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:16.360 knows the ins and outs of the relationship with Tommy. 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:17.560 Because Molly said this. 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:22.719 I think Zoe ready struggles with Tommy and I the 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:27.480 most have anyone in my family because she has heard 0:36:27.520 --> 0:36:31.440 it all now and I have really shared it all 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:31.879 with her. 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:35.040 Yeah, because Molly was like, oh, yeah, just go through 0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:38.680 my messages, my WhatsApp with Tommy. Yeah, she's read too much. 0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:42.120 Clearly interesting that they are conversing through WhatsApp because it's 0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.400 a platform that's encrypted, so it's more difficult for the 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:46.840 press to break into her phone and get her messages. 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.800 And what we're so fascinating was on their YouTube channels, 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:53.040 on both Zoe and Molly's, they're always putting out such 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.640 positive content about their like, you know, going and doing 0:36:56.680 --> 0:36:59.960 couple things. It was odd to actually hear Zoe negatively 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.279 talk about Tommy because it's always seems to be so 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:03.920 positive everything they say, but. 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:04.960 That's just social media. 0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:07.040 At the end of the day, did anyone else think 0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.520 that maybe Tommy ruined Zoe's wedding, because it does seem 0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:12.480 like the wedding was a bit of a breaking point 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.680 for Molly May. She didn't go into details about what happened, 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:16.560 but she said this. 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:21.680 He's never had an alcohol problem. It's just that alcohol 0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:26.320 caused problems for us. It got to a point where 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:32.440 I wasn't really looking forward to anything because alcohol affected 0:37:32.480 --> 0:37:36.360 it so much. I could only cite a couple of 0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.919 examples where he had some alcohol and it's not led 0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:42.799 to anything disastrous. I mean, I actually don't know any 0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:47.120 I really don't my sister's wedding, Like I literally pleaded 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:51.440 with Tommy, like I begged him to not drink, and. 0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:53.439 It's just. 0:37:56.840 --> 0:37:57.160 I don't know. 0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:59.719 It's it's just really sad because I don't know, I'm 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:00.439 crying enough. 0:38:01.480 --> 0:38:04.680 Well, the breakup came shortly after Zoe's wedding, so. 0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:07.160 They were on their honeymoon it came out, so this must. 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:08.600 Have been a tipping point for her. 0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.920 Was anyone else surprised at how vocal Molly was about 0:38:11.920 --> 0:38:14.240 her desire to get back with Tommy during this doco, 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:16.919 because I would love to know the timeline of when 0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:19.279 those bits were filmed. Well, it was clear that she 0:38:19.400 --> 0:38:22.920 blindsided Tommy when she released that statement saying they'd broken up, 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.040 and it felt like a really desperate move of Molly 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.480 to actually get Tommy's attention and to wake him up 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.800 and be like, look, I'm actually serious, because it sounded 0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:32.960 like she had been threatening for a long time to 0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:35.520 break up. Yeah, because she spoke through the process, so 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:39.440 this wasn't some joint decision to put out a statement. 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:41.640 She said she was sick of lying in her bed 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.640 wirying all night, so she thought this is the final straw. 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.040 This is going to show him that he needs to change, 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.640 but also make herself accountable because she said that she 0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:52.640 probably wouldn't go through with the breakup if it wasn't public. Yeah, 0:38:52.640 --> 0:38:54.840 And in the third episode of the doco, she revealed 0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.879 to Zoe it was never meant to be a permanent thing. 0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:02.279 I know it's exhausting, but if you didn't draw a 0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.040 line in the sand, it will carry on being exhausting 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:05.759 for the next time. But I don't want you because 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.080 I don't want to end. I knew we were going 0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:08.840 to get back together. 0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:10.720 Surely you didn't. 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:13.560 No, I did know that. No, because you're waiting for 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:14.120 why do you think? 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:15.080 How m not cried? 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.279 All I want in this life is to be with 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.360 him and to have another baby with him, and to 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.400 grow old as a family, and to live in a 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:24.359 nice house together and to have a nice life together. 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:27.560 Fortunately, that's all I want. To be perfectly honest with you. 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.480 I think what's getting me through is the hope and 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:34.160 the idea that Tommy and I, well, we will end 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:34.880 up back together. 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.560 You could tell Zoe was just like, oh for Fox, Yeah, yes, 0:39:39.880 --> 0:39:42.839 what's going on? You do forget that they're only twenty five. 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:45.920 And when Molly was talking about the fact that Tommy 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:47.640 wants to be a regular twenty five year old and 0:39:47.640 --> 0:39:50.000 got drinking with his friends and partying, but he also 0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.640 wants to be have this stable relationship in this family life, 0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:55.600 you can see that he's at a crossroad and he 0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:57.360 doesn't know what to do. He almost doesn't want to 0:39:57.360 --> 0:39:59.879 grow up. How sad was watching the vision of Molly 0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:02.200 their phone out having to FaceTime Tommy to say good 0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:04.320 night to Bamby. That made me feel really upset. I 0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:07.400 think bye bye, that's all she ended the conversation. Every 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.319 con was bye bye. Notice her saying bye bye all 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:11.680 the time, and I was wondering if it was just 0:40:11.760 --> 0:40:14.239 a Tommy because she felt awkward, but then she said 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.200 it to her manager and everyone in the colledep or. 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:18.920 One viral clip from this doc that's doing the rounds 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.680 on TikTok is a scene where Molly is trying to 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:25.040 feed her daughter Bamby, and there's a moment where Bambi 0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:29.160 is absolutely losing it, and then Molly realizes the Bambi 0:40:29.280 --> 0:40:32.359 is trying to say dadda because she misses Tommy. And 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.040 I've seen so many people saying that they were in 0:40:35.200 --> 0:40:38.080 tears over this moment. It doesn't help that Bambi looks 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.560 exactly like Tommy Fury either, like it would be hard 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.680 to get over him when your daughter is his clone. 0:40:43.760 --> 0:40:43.920 Now. 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:46.000 The producers, of course, left all of us on the 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:49.160 edge of our seats in the last episode when Molly 0:40:49.280 --> 0:40:51.640 revealed that she was so adamant that they were going 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:54.000 to get back together, but now she was worried that 0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.080 the problems weren't going to go away, and then I 0:40:57.160 --> 0:41:00.480 flashed to the teaser showing Molly's reaction to the headlines 0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:02.680 that came out about their New Year's Eve kiss, and 0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:05.920 she said, oh my god, what Molly May and Tommy 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:08.680 Fury kiss on New Year's Eve? That is so bad. 0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:10.799 It's clear that this doco is having to play catch 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.400 up big time, and that is why they haven't actually 0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:16.319 set an exact date for the second installment. It says 0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:20.399 coming spring, as in the spring UK time, sometime around there. 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:22.200 Do you think it was always planned that it was 0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.200 going to have this big break in between it, or 0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:26.600 you're just going with the floor, because I think they 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:29.200 were almost scraping the barrel a bit to fill out 0:41:29.239 --> 0:41:32.400 three episodes of content. A lot of it was on 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.160 the maybe controversy with the jacket we spoke about earlier, 0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.239 so I think they've gone fuck well. A lot of 0:41:37.280 --> 0:41:39.759 this stuff that's happening in current time is far more 0:41:39.760 --> 0:41:41.839 interesting than what we've already recorded. I saw a lot 0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:45.279 of people saying it was boring, but I absolutely loved it. 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:48.160 I thought the producers did an incredible job. It was 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:50.799 shot so beautifully. It was But if you weren't a fan, 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:52.520 of Molly May. I can say why some people might 0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:54.719 think got she was a bit boring. She's got eight 0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.080 million followers, so there are a lot of people invested 0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.279 in her life and it's like, oh, well, we didn't 0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.359 hear all the details. I thought what we did get 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.719 to hear was incredible. A thirty four year old Queensland 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:11.000 influencer has been arrested and charged after allegedly torturing and 0:42:11.080 --> 0:42:14.920 poisoning her baby daughter to boost her social media following. 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:17.680 It's important to note that the reason why we and 0:42:17.719 --> 0:42:21.040 other media outlets aren't naming the woman is to protect 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.480 the identity of the child. Now, kay, can you tell 0:42:23.560 --> 0:42:26.680 us more? Yeah? So, on Thursday, the influencer was charged 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:31.160 with a multitude of offenses, including torture, making child exploitation, 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:35.320 material fraud, and multiple counts of administering poison. Now, vision 0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:38.480 of the woman being arrested in her pajamas at her 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:42.040 home and then escorted into a police cart was circulated 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.160 to the media. The woman's face was blurred, but you 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.320 could tell who it was if you know who the 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.720 influencer is. What we can say is this influencer gained 0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:53.759 a following by documenting her child's apparent battle with the 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:57.000 terminal illness on social media. Now it's alleged that the 0:42:57.040 --> 0:43:00.120 poisoning took place between August and October, when and the 0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:03.640 woman gave the baby, who had a medical condition, medications 0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:07.880 that were not prescribed or medically approved. The charges follow 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:11.800 an extensive police investigation that took place after medical staff 0:43:11.840 --> 0:43:14.759 from a Brisbane South hospital raised their concern. Now the 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.640 baby was already sick in hospital with a genuine illness 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.800 when staff suspected something was not right now. In a 0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.720 press conference, Detective Inspector Paul Dalton labeled the alleged offenses 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:27.520 as abhorrent. He said, there are no words to describe 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.200 just how repulsive offenses of this nature are. There is 0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:34.239 no excuse for hurting a child, especially not a one 0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:36.959 year old infant who was reliable on others for care 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:40.640 and survival. Dalton confirmed the little girl is going well 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:43.080 and she and her siblings are safe, but he did 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:46.080 not say who was caring for them. When asked about 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:49.160 the woman's sentence, Dalton said, if convicted, she would be 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.200 facing substantial prison time. 0:43:51.400 --> 0:43:51.560 Now. 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:55.680 The influencer has been also accused of defrauding donors of 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:59.560 sixty thousand dollars via a GoFundMe page that she allegedly 0:43:59.600 --> 0:44:02.640 set up. Now, GoFundMe has announced they will refund the 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:06.160 money to people who donated, and I've already seen screenshots 0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:09.759 of people sharing that that donation has been refunded to them. Now, 0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:11.960 the thirty four year old woman appeared in a prison 0:44:12.080 --> 0:44:15.640 magistrate's court on Friday, and her lawyer requested that she 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:19.480 beheld in protective custody because of concerns for her safety 0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:23.680 following the publicity around her arrest. Now, she does plan 0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:27.000 to apply for bail later this month, and the influencer 0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:29.600 was remanded in custody and will face court again in 0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.960 late January. Well, that is all we've got time for today. 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.520 Thank you for listening to another episode of Outspoken. If 0:44:35.560 --> 0:44:38.240 you do like this show, please leave us a review. 0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:40.880 This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 0:44:40.880 --> 0:44:43.239 Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to 0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:44.520 elders past and present.