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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torba and coming up on today's show, The Real

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Speaker 1: Reason behind Molly May and Tommy Fury Split, the Queensland

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Speaker 1: influencer charged with torturing her baby to boost her social

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Speaker 1: media following, and finance podcast a Victoria Devine is in

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Speaker 1: hot water for her comments over that controversial billboard. But first,

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Speaker 1: it's been a turbulent time for TikTok users in the US.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday, one hundred and seventy million Americans were shut

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Speaker 1: out from the app as a nationwide band took effect.

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Speaker 2: To the US government.

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Speaker 1: I'm never forgiving you for this.

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Speaker 3: I was so dumb coming on the internet and crying

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Speaker 3: about an app.

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Speaker 4: But the fact is that this has been a sense

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Speaker 4: of community for me.

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Speaker 1: But the band was short lived because within fourteen hours

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Speaker 1: TikTok was back. I feel like there would have been

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Speaker 1: a few red faces because I saw so many creators

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Speaker 1: in hysterical tears. I also saw many TikTok creators exposing

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Speaker 1: secrets before the app went down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there'd be a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of regret over that I was pretty shocked by

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Speaker 1: the message that TikTok users receive, so they've got to

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Speaker 1: pop up message saying sorry, TikTok isn't available right now.

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Speaker 1: A law banning TikTok has been enacted in the US. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: that means you can't use TikTok for now. We are

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Speaker 1: fortunate that President Trump has indicated that he will work

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Speaker 1: with US on a solution to reinstate TikTok once he

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Speaker 1: takes office. Please stay tuned. And it didn't take Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump too long to take credit for TikTok's return. So

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Speaker 1: he was speaking at an inauguration event and he told crowds,

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Speaker 1: as of today, TikTok is back. We have no choice.

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Speaker 1: We have to save it. He then went on to

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Speaker 1: suggest that the US was set to own fifty percent

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Speaker 1: of the company, telling the media it would make a

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Speaker 1: lot of money. So if TikTok is worth nothing zero

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Speaker 1: without an approval, you know, if you don't.

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Speaker 5: Approve of business, there worth nothing.

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Speaker 1: If you do approve, there worth like a trillion dollars.

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Speaker 5: There worth some crazy number.

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Speaker 1: So I said, I'll approve, but.

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Speaker 3: Let the United States of America own fifty percent of TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I'm approving on behalf of the ivinal self.

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Speaker 1: I want to cut through the crap here because he

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Speaker 1: is acting like a hero when he is the one

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Speaker 1: who initiated talks back in twenty twenty to ban the

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Speaker 1: app over fears that it was a national security risk.

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Speaker 1: This just seems to be some big public that he's

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Speaker 1: stunt for Donald Trump. I think he's in cahoots with TikTok.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they even named him in that initial

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Speaker 1: pop up message, and also the fact that TikTok did

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Speaker 1: have that big blackout in the US. No one was

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Speaker 1: expecting it to actually go down. Well, it was early

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Speaker 1: as well, and there were a lot of rumors saying, well, no,

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Speaker 1: it's not going to cancel out if you have the

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Speaker 1: TikTok app, It's just going to stop people from downloading TikTok. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: people thought it was going to be a slow transition

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Speaker 1: away from TikTok. It wasn't going to be something that

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Speaker 1: suddenly just got blacked out. It's scary to see what

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Speaker 1: is unfolding on our social media apps. Last week, Mark

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Speaker 1: Zuckerberg got rid of fact checking on Facebook and Instagram.

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Speaker 1: We can see that he is kissing the ring as

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Speaker 1: people are saying of Donald Trump, he is sucking up

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump at the moment. Donald Trump also has

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Speaker 1: Elon Musk in his camp, and now we're seeing that

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Speaker 1: he's in cahoots with TikTok, the app that he originally

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Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of. Now I want to get

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Speaker 1: to the fun stuff. Let's talk about this TikTok confession trend.

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Speaker 1: So before the app shut down, a lot of creators

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Speaker 1: jumped on this audio clip from Family Guy where Peter

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Speaker 1: Griffin made a confession to his family. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of people lip synced to this grab and then they

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Speaker 6: Since we're all going to die, there's one more secret

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Speaker 6: I feel I have to share with you now.

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Speaker 1: One of the TikTokers that ruffled feathers was Lexi Hidlergo,

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Speaker 1: and she's really well known for her coffee chats and

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Speaker 1: also for her workout videos, and she revealed to her

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Speaker 1: went down like a lead balloon. Everyone was like, why

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Speaker 1: the fuck would you admit this, especially if you're trying

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Speaker 1: just makes it looks so inauthentic. Well, the one that

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Speaker 1: upset me the most was beauty influencer Meredith Duxby, and

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Speaker 1: she has gained a lot of attention on TikTok for

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Speaker 1: using an outrageous amount of foundations. So she will put

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Speaker 1: about twelve pumps onto her face and it's all about

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Speaker 1: trusting the process because she always looks incredible after. Well,

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Speaker 1: she has admitted that she wiped a hell of a

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Speaker 1: lot of that makeup off before the final results. She

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Speaker 1: said it was just for rage baiting, which is obviously worse.

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Speaker 1: The worst one was some of the creators who admitted

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Speaker 1: that they never used the products that they promoted on

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Speaker 1: their TikTok shop. There must be so many people kicking

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Speaker 1: themselves so jumping on this trend, And as you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand it because it's not like these people

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Speaker 1: were going to lose their following. People were going to

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Speaker 1: go across to Instagram or red No or Snapchat and

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Speaker 1: still follow these people. Yeah, I'm how stupid can you be?

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Speaker 1: It's literally just ruined any credibility they might have had. Also,

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Speaker 1: I would be really pissed off as one of the

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Speaker 1: brands that's done sponsored work with them, because you'd be questioning, Oh, okay, cool.

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Speaker 1: So you've pretty much told everyone you hated the products

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Speaker 6: Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All

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Speaker 6: the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,

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Speaker 6: took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made

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Speaker 6: me millions, all right.

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Speaker 1: A national real estate agency has caused a stir online

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Speaker 1: after bragging on a billboard that they've been making homes

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Speaker 1: more expensive since twenty seventeen. The backlash was swift, with

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Speaker 1: the agency labeled out of touch in the current housing

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Speaker 1: affordability crisis. Amidst the drama, finance podcaster Victoria Devine went

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Speaker 1: into bat for the agency, calling people who don't get

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Speaker 1: the billboard idiots. Now, So, when this story first broke,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of confusion because the real estate

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Speaker 1: agency in question shares the same name as one of

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Speaker 1: Australia's most popular online clothing stores. Yeah, that's right, if

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Speaker 1: you believe it. This agency is called White Fox real Estate.

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Speaker 1: And what makes things even more confusing is that it's

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Speaker 1: branding is nearly identical to the clothing retailer. Well, we

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Speaker 1: actually spoke about White Fox real Estate probably a month

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Speaker 1: Well, the name of the agency is derived from the

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Speaker 1: founder's name, Marty Fox, and he's recently found fame as

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Speaker 1: a judge on the Block and he is your stereotypical

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Speaker 1: real estate agent. He's very good looking, he dresses well,

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Speaker 1: he's got flashy white teeth, and he's very confident. And

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Speaker 1: because of his appearance on the Block, he has around

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Speaker 1: thirty four thousand followers online. His agency specializes in luxury

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Speaker 1: real estate and as you touched on Kate, he has

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Speaker 1: a number of celebrity clients like Steph Klesmith and Josh Miller.

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Speaker 1: He currently has Sam Wood and Snees's home on his

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Speaker 1: listings at the moment, so you can tell the type

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Speaker 1: of clientele he works with. Now. The drama kicked off

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Speaker 1: when a passer by snapped a photo of the controversial

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Speaker 1: The TikTok's user's name is m Redman, and she's got

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Speaker 1: around three thousand followers. So she shared vision of the

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Speaker 1: and she wrote, maybe not the message to be gloating

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Speaker 1: This video quickly garnered three hundred thousand views and people

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Speaker 1: started making reaction videos. And again there was a lot

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Speaker 1: of confusion in M's comment section because her audience assumed

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Speaker 1: that the billboard was from the clothing brand. So one

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Speaker 1: user wrote, I thought this was about White Fox, the

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Speaker 1: clothing label and was so lost, and that comment received

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Speaker 1: four thousand likes. Another user said I'm so confused. Do

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Speaker 1: you mean you're spending more money on their clothes when

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Speaker 1: you could be saving for a house? And another time

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Speaker 1: beIN saying that advertising must be terrible because I drive

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Speaker 1: past one of their offices every day, and up until

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Speaker 1: now I thought they were White Fox, the clothing brand.

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Speaker 1: I'm very curious from this if this lack of branding

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Speaker 1: so desperate to create a stir. Maybe they thought a

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Speaker 1: stun like this was going to help them build some

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Speaker 1: much needed brand awareness and cement their spot in the

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Speaker 1: real estate market. Surely Marty being on the block is

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Speaker 1: enough advertisement though like good advertisement for well, clearly not,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of people have not heard of them.

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Speaker 1: I had to look on Google and they appear straight

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Speaker 1: after White Fox Boutique, So this stunt hasn't been able

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Speaker 1: to get them top spot just yet. That's not how

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Speaker 1: SEO works over. I used to work at an SEO firm,

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Speaker 1: and you don't generally type in the name of the

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Speaker 1: real estate company to find them because you know what already,

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Speaker 1: so you're going to search their u URL. If you're

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Speaker 1: looking for a real estate agent, you were type in

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Speaker 1: real estate agent Adelaide's Those are the terms that real

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Speaker 1: estate companies would be going and it sounds like they

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Speaker 1: only want the rich and famous anyway, So as long

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Speaker 1: as the lights of Steph Claire Smith knows the difference

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Speaker 1: between White Fox Boutique and White Fox real Estate. When

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Speaker 1: this story blew up, it was picked up by the

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Speaker 1: Today Show and even Karl Stefanovic was confused. Here's what

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Speaker 1: he said, and it's just stating the facts that at

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Speaker 1: White Fox, that's what we do. We try and get

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Speaker 1: you as much money as possible.

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Speaker 2: I thought you made women's lingerie white Fox.

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Speaker 1: Has that a different White Fox, That's a different one.

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Speaker 1: I love that you still didn't quite get it right

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Speaker 1: that it's apparel clothing brand, not just lingerie. He's like

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Speaker 1: offended both of the marketing teams of White Fox Boutique.

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Speaker 1: In White Fox real Estate Now, the comments section on

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Speaker 1: M's TikTok post was relatively mixed. So many people acknowledge

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Speaker 1: that it's a real estate agent's job to make as

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Speaker 1: much money for their client as possible and that the

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Speaker 1: housing crisis was not their fault, whilst others were outraged

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Speaker 1: and thought the billboard added unnecessary salt to the wound

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Speaker 1: for those who've been priced out of the market. So

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Speaker 1: one user wrote, read the room, White Fox, whilst another said,

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Speaker 1: imagine driving passes ad in your car you were forced

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Speaker 1: to live in because of the current Perth housing market.

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Speaker 1: I really think that your reaction to this campaign mostly

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Speaker 1: depends on what financial position you're in, because if you

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Speaker 1: own a home and you're looking at selling, you want

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Speaker 1: to know that your real estate agent is working for

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Speaker 1: you and they're going to get the best price for you.

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Speaker 2: But if you are.

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Speaker 1: Currently a buyer, and you're having a tough time financially.

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Speaker 1: This is going to make you feel so resentful and hopeless.

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Speaker 1: You feel like you're never going to get a house.

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Speaker 1: You're going to feel ripped off whatever house you do get. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: for White Fox, I think it's clever marketing because the

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Speaker 1: people that are offended are not the target market they're

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Speaker 1: going for. This is for these high earners who want

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Speaker 1: to make as much money as possible. I mean, yes,

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Speaker 1: questioning why they chose a billboard for that then, because

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Speaker 1: You could hear the raw emotion in Victoria's voice, and

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Speaker 1: you felt like she was genuinely sorry for affecting her community,

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Speaker 1: whilst others said it's interesting to hear the opinion that

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Speaker 1: she's behind closed doors and thought that the emission of

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Speaker 1: her being out of touch made her look worse. What

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Speaker 1: I found quite surprising about the whole thing is that

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Speaker 1: she agreed for the screenshot of her message to be

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Speaker 1: shared and then suddenly realized how bad it sounded, not

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Speaker 1: because of hindsight, but because she obviously absolutely copped it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's throw to a reaction video that's currently going

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Speaker 1: viral to paint a picture of how some people are feeling.

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Speaker 6: Oh no, don't worry, I'm not calling you idiots. All

446
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Speaker 6: the girls that bought my book, listened to my podcast,

447
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Speaker 6: took financial advice for me. You're not idiots. You made

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Speaker 6: me millions, all right, I'm talking about all the other

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Speaker 6: girls that can't buy their first home because you know

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Speaker 6: it's your fault.

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Speaker 3: You're idiots.

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Speaker 6: You're not my target demographic, because really, the housing market,

453
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Speaker 6: what's that got to do with me? Nothing.

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Speaker 1: Someone else who wasn't pleased and buying into the apology

455
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Speaker 1: was TikTok of Rachel McQueen, who has over eighty four

456
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Speaker 1: thousand followers now, she created a ten minute video sharing

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Speaker 1: her thoughts on Victoria's apology. She said she thought the

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Speaker 1: apology seemed disingenuous.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, the reason that Victoria apologized is because,

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Speaker 4: unlike Marty, she did upset and alienate her target demographic,

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Speaker 4: the people that she makes money from, the people who

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Speaker 4: look to her for honest, relatable and non judgmental financial advice.

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Speaker 1: Of course she's going to.

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Speaker 4: Apologize when her whole brand is being relatable and non judgmental,

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Speaker 4: and it's just been discovered and a lot of people

466
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Speaker 4: are upset by the fact that she's not those things.

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Speaker 4: That is why she apologized and Marty didn't. That is

468
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Speaker 4: why she apologized and Marty didn't because it was her

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Speaker 4: target demographic that were upset, not Marty's. Marty's target demographic

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Speaker 4: are people trying to profit from the housing crisis. Her

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Speaker 4: target demographic, especially through her new business ventures Zella Money,

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Speaker 4: is people who are struggling because of the housing crisis.

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Speaker 4: Victoria is in a dichotomy. She lives in a completely

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Speaker 4: different world to the people she's marketing to. It may

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Speaker 4: not have been that way in the beginning, but it

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Speaker 4: certainly is that way. Now. Did she admit in her

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Speaker 4: apology that she is now out of touch with the

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Speaker 4: people that she's marketing to and that support her, Yes,

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Speaker 4: she did, But I am still not convinced that that

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Speaker 4: apology comes from a place of being empathetic toward those people.

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Speaker 4: I still believe, until it's proven otherwise, that the apology

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Speaker 4: came from a place of desperately trying to repair the

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Speaker 4: relationship with the majority of her audience, because, as em

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Speaker 4: put beautifully in this video and directly to Victoria, Victoria's

485
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Speaker 4: audience are struggling and cannot outsave and out hustle a

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Speaker 4: housing crisis.

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Speaker 1: It is interesting to note that Victoria has since deleted

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Speaker 1: her apology. What do you think about that move? I

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Speaker 1: think it came down to a few factors. She was

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Speaker 1: probably absolutely copying it in the comment section, which isn't

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Speaker 1: pleasant and sometimes you just don't want.

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Speaker 2: To deal with.

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Speaker 1: I also think maybe it came down to sponsorship opportunities.

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Speaker 1: It's not a good look to have a video up

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Speaker 1: where you're saying you're out of touch and you aren't

496
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Speaker 1: relatable to your core demographic when you are trying to

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Speaker 1: get people on board. That isn't not worse to delete it,

498
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Speaker 1: because the way social media works is people will have

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Speaker 1: saved it and they'll stitch it up on TikTok or

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. And now you go over to her page

501
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Speaker 1: and it looks like she's even guiltier because she's removed it. Well,

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Speaker 1: she also recently deleted a video where she called out

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Speaker 1: Kate Forster, So it's difficult because you want to look

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Speaker 1: like you believe in what you say and the content

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Speaker 1: that you put out there. I was really interested to

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Speaker 1: see if she's on the money, had lost any followers

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Speaker 1: since this drama. What surprised me is they've actually gained followers,

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Speaker 1: So they gained four thy two hundred this week, which

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Speaker 1: can sometimes happen when scandals break out. Over the four

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Speaker 1: days when the controversy broke, Victoria did lose one hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty two followers, but over the weekend she picked

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Speaker 1: up another five hundred and eighty four, so it doesn't

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Speaker 1: seem to be affecting her brand too much. But maybe

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Speaker 1: she got some advice to take it down because it

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Speaker 1: didn't look great to sponsors.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of the followers that she picked up.

518
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Speaker 1: Aren't genuine followers. They're probably just following her for the

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Speaker 1: controversy and maybe a bit of hate following. I hate

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Speaker 1: to say it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, hey guys, hello, Oh so nice to.

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Speaker 3: Come.

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Speaker 1: It's been a big week for Molly May Hague and

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Speaker 1: Tommy Fury. Just two days before Molly's tell all documentary

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Speaker 1: aired on Prime, Tommy piped her at the Post, revealing

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Speaker 1: the real reason behind their shock breakup. In an interview

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Speaker 1: with Men's Health, the boxer revealed it was his addiction

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Speaker 1: to alcohol that caused the split. Kate, there is a

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Speaker 1: lot to unpack here. I am dying to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Molly May doco, but let's start chronologically with what

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Speaker 1: Tommy had to say on Wednesday. It is the first

532
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Speaker 1: time Tommy has acknowledged he's had a problem with alcohol. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is, and it did come as quite a surprise

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Speaker 1: to some of his fans. So during the emotional interview,

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Speaker 1: Tommy revealed his dependence on alcohol actually started early last

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Speaker 1: year after he had react instructive surgery on his hand.

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Speaker 1: So the surgery was to repair a boxing injury from

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen when he snapped all the ligaments in the

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Speaker 1: back of his hand. I actually remember Molly vlogging Tommy

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Speaker 1: post surgery and he was really frustrated. We now know

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Speaker 1: that that recovery had a very detrimental impact on Tommy's

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Speaker 1: mental health, and in the interview he said his mental

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Speaker 1: health was in the pan, and he started to spend

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Speaker 1: nights drinking with the goal to get blackout drunk.

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Speaker 7: The reason why me and Molly broke up because I

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Speaker 7: got addicted to alcohol and I couldn't be the partner

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Speaker 7: that I wanted to be anymore. And it kills me

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Speaker 7: to say it's true, you know, I couldn't be. I

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Speaker 7: was loved to pint of beer, love to drink, you know.

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Speaker 7: And it is what it is. People go through different

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Speaker 7: things in life, and I have, you know, we all

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Speaker 7: have our crosses to bear.

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Speaker 1: Tommy isn't the only member of his family to grapple

554
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Speaker 1: with addiction. His brother, Tyson Fury, who was the heavyweight

555
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Speaker 1: champion of the world, he has also struggled with alcohol

556
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Speaker 1: addiction and cocaine abuse. Yeah, and we saw that play

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Speaker 1: out a little bit in real time on Tyson's doco

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Speaker 1: last year. Now, as expected, Tommy continued to deny cheating

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Speaker 1: was involved in this relationship breakdown. So initially, when the

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Speaker 1: couple broke up back in August, the internet was rife

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Speaker 1: with rumors that Tommy had cheated on Molly, and one

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Speaker 1: persistent rumor was that Molly called off their relationship after

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Speaker 1: being sent a video of Tommy up to no good

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Speaker 1: on a boy's trip to Macedonia, and it even led

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Speaker 1: to a woman coming out to the media and claiming

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Speaker 1: that they kissed but she didn't know who he was.

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Speaker 1: There was also that rumor at the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: breakup that Tommy had got another woman pregnant who was

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Speaker 1: actually the daughter of a boxing coach. Well, that one

570
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Speaker 1: got shut down really quickly because the woman had to

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Speaker 1: come out and say no, this is my partner and

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Speaker 1: the father of my child. And at the time, Tommy

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Speaker 1: did vehemently deny these rumors, and a spokesperson for the

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Speaker 1: boxer said that his legal team were investigating them. Now,

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Speaker 1: his stance on the cheating allegation was no different in

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Speaker 1: this men's health interview.

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Speaker 2: Here's what he said.

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Speaker 7: There's been so much shit, so much crap in the

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Speaker 7: every single day for the past six months. I've done

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Speaker 7: this and I've done that, and it's like people don't

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Speaker 7: know the half of it. If it's not come from

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Speaker 7: my mouth or Molly's mouth, it's complete a not of bullshit.

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Speaker 7: It's like all I've been seen for the past six

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Speaker 7: months is cheeta, cheeta, cheeta, cheeta. Oh, he cheated, he

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Speaker 7: slept with me, slept with this girl, slept with that girl.

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Speaker 7: Complete a lot of bollocks, and you can ask Molly yourself.

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Speaker 1: I cannot get over the timing of this interview. Firstly,

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Speaker 1: it dropped two days before Molly's documentary Behind it All

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Speaker 1: aired on Prime. The producers would have been absolutely spewing.

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Speaker 1: This would have all been pre planned, particularly between Molly,

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Speaker 1: Tommy and their management. They wouldn't want Molly to be

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Speaker 1: revealing Tommy's secret because it looks like she would be

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Speaker 1: exposing something that he's perhaps not ready to talk about

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Speaker 1: when it is something as serious as alcohol addiction. I

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Speaker 1: think you're right, Sophie, but I think this strategy has

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Speaker 1: only been enacted since the New Year's Kiss because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people now think that Tommy and Molly are

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Speaker 1: back together. Yeah, the New Year's Kiss definitely has a

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Speaker 1: lot to do with the timing of this doco, particularly

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Speaker 1: because originally I think that all six episodes were going

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Speaker 1: to be aired at the same time, but it's now

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Speaker 1: been broken up to have three air now and then

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Speaker 1: three air in autumn. The date hasn't even been set.

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Speaker 1: It's clear that they're still filming because so much has

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Speaker 1: gone on behind the scenes, and it's hard for this

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Speaker 1: doco to keep up with the immediacy of TikTok and

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Speaker 1: everything that is happening. I don't think the producers, though,

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Speaker 1: would have been in on Molly allowing Tommy to go

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Speaker 1: to another rival media company in Men's Health and break

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Speaker 1: that news first. Because this doco it's called Behind All,

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Speaker 1: and it's been touted as the real story behind the breakup.

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Speaker 1: I think Molly's gone behind the back of the producers

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Speaker 1: and agreed on this with Tommy because in an interview

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Speaker 1: she did recently, she did say, well, Tommy's going to

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Speaker 1: come out and explain his side of things.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's Tommy's story to tell first.

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Speaker 1: I think it would have looked completely inappropriate if Molly

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Speaker 1: was to break that news.

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Speaker 2: I also noticed that.

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Speaker 1: The two messages weren't the same throughout, so Tommy said

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Speaker 1: he has an alcohol problem, but in the documentary Molly's

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Speaker 1: said Tommy doesn't have an alcohol problem.

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Speaker 2: Drinking leads to problems.

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Speaker 1: And that to me reading between the lines, either meant

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Speaker 1: that he cheated or it made me think, has things

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Speaker 1: escalated behind the scenes, has something happened that again they're

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Speaker 1: not going to tell us about how I watched this

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Speaker 1: documentary with Dale and he said, do you know what,

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Speaker 1: maybe he's just a complete dickhead when he's been drinking. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that vibe that everyone seemed to get. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it was really interesting to be a fly on the

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Speaker 1: wall in that conversation between Molly and her mum, Debbie,

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Speaker 1: and I felt for Debbie because Molly revealed that when

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Speaker 1: her parents broke up, her mum had issues with alcohol

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Speaker 1: and it was part of the reason why Molly didn't

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Speaker 1: want to be with someone who drank. And during the

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Speaker 1: docco they showed Molly rewatching the scene on Love Island

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Speaker 1: when she first met Tommy, and they kept in the

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Speaker 1: grab where Molly said, oh, do you drink and Tommy

640
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Speaker 1: said not really, and then she confirmed that she actually

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Speaker 1: doesn't drink either. That's a big part of her brand,

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Speaker 1: her being sober. I mean, she's even spoke recently on

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Speaker 1: a YouTube how she doesn't really like out and letting

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Speaker 1: herself go and having a drink.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it interesting? Though?

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Speaker 1: Because this New Year's Eve kiss seemed to all come

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Speaker 1: about because Molly was drinking and out there partying with Tommy.

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Speaker 1: Let's actually dive a little bit deeper into this doco.

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Speaker 1: So it was meant to document the leader to Molly

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Speaker 1: and Tommy's wedding, but when they broke up, it was

651
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Speaker 1: repurposed into a documentary about Molly navigating life as a

652
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: single mum as she launched her brand Maybe. Did anyone

653
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: else feel like some sections of the episodes were just

654
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: blatant ads though for Maybe. I don't actually think it

655
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: was a great ad for Maybe though, because they mentioned

656
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism that the brand has got, especially

657
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: over the balling of one of its blazers. I mean,

658
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: I think it was more an ad for Molly May

659
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: at her personal brand, which I suppose then cascades down

660
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: into Maybe because people are only really buying the clothes

661
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: because of Molly May. But the documentary really showed from

662
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: her perspective that she was the one who was passionate

663
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: about rectifying this issue and giving back to her consumer

664
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: and making sure her audience weren't angry. Sophie really bought

665
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: into the good prs, so I was laughing with Dale's say,

666
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: I can imagine Sophi're working for her PR team.

667
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 2: Well I did.

668
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: What I did disagree with, though, is that they put

669
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: out a statement saying anyone who's had issues with this

670
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: jacket please contact us, But they didn't actually outline whether

671
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: they would get a refund.

672
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: There was no resolution.

673
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: They were acting like, oh, we just don't know what

674
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: to do. I said to Dale, just give everyone a

675
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: refund financially, though I don't think that the brand could

676
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: handle it. So you need to come down because we

677
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: are recording a subscriber only episode really getting to the

678
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: nitty gritty of the doco. But for now, I really

679
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: want to talk about what most people are interested in,

680
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: and that is the breakup. So the number one reason

681
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: people tuned in was to find out what actually happened.

682
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I know Tommy did pip Molly at the post, as

683
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: you said earlier, but it was interesting to see that

684
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: their stories did match up because again she did reveal

685
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: that drinking was a problem in terms of talking about

686
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: the cheating, though she really glazed over that, so she

687
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: didn't actually back Tommy up and say there was definitely

688
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: no cheating. She did say this.

689
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 5: Though, on Somebody Pregnant, I'm really sorry to hear that

690
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 5: he's been with this person, And I was just like,

691
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,719
Speaker 5: where is this coming from? It was a build up,

692
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 5: and there was It was a lot of times of

693
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:15,919
Speaker 5: sort of okay, like last chance type situation. Last chance,

694
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 5: last chance, last chance, There's only so.

695
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: Much that.

696
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 5: You can take. You kind of don't really have another choice.

697
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 5: You just have to You just have to do what

698
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 5: you have to do.

699
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: I feel like that comment was trying to shoot down

700
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: the validity of some of those cheating claims. But then

701
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: when we saw the scene of Molly rewatching her proposal

702
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: to Tommy, she reiterated that they actually had a huge

703
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: argument on the way there because she thought he had

704
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: photos of another girl on his phone because he wouldn't

705
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: let her look at the phone. Yeah, he was being shady,

706
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: and she asked, oh, can I check out the photos

707
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: you took of me? And he was being funny about it,

708
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: obviously because he had all of the engagement plans on

709
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: his phone. I saw a lot of people creating TikTok

710
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: saying that it was interesting that they left that section

711
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: of the interview in because it was sort of eluding

712
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: that there was cheating going on, but nothing confirming it. Oh,

713
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: there was so much eluding going on, and I think

714
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: Tommy's alcohol problem is a lot easier to blame, especially

715
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: if they do end up getting back together. I mean,

716
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: all of the conversations between Molly and her sister Zoe

717
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: in the car alluded to cheating being involved. Yeah, you

718
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: could tell that Zoe absolutely hates Tommy Fury's guts. I

719
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting when Zoe said that she

720
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: had clashed with Tommy as well, because often it is

721
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: the sisters who have to get involved. Well, she said

722
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: that she kept seeing Tommy cheating Molly so badly. Yeah,

723
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: I suppose she felt she had to stand up to her.

724
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 1: And I think it's because Zoe has a really lovely husband.

725
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: His name's Danny. He's in the Army. He seems to

726
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: be the opposite of Tommy and what he stands for,

727
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: So for her, she's like, why are you putting up

728
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: with this shit? Side note, My favorite scene of the

729
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: whole documentary so far was Molly and Zoe singing along

730
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: to the Saddle Club. Oh yea, I know that that

731
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: was aired in the U game. I love it because

732
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: it was so related, even though they're driving around in

733
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: this fuck off g wag and it was just like

734
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: every girl does that with their sister, have a little

735
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 1: sing alongs in the car. Back to Zoe hating Tommy's guts.

736
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: It's also probably because she's the only family member who

737
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: knows the ins and outs of the relationship with Tommy.

738
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: Because Molly said this.

739
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 5: I think Zoe ready struggles with Tommy and I the

740
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: most have anyone in my family because she has heard

741
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 5: it all now and I have really shared it all

742
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 5: with her.

743
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Molly was like, oh, yeah, just go through

744
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: my messages, my WhatsApp with Tommy. Yeah, she's read too much.

745
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: Clearly interesting that they are conversing through WhatsApp because it's

746
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: a platform that's encrypted, so it's more difficult for the

747
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: press to break into her phone and get her messages.

748
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: And what we're so fascinating was on their YouTube channels,

749
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: on both Zoe and Molly's, they're always putting out such

750
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: positive content about their like, you know, going and doing

751
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: couple things. It was odd to actually hear Zoe negatively

752
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 1: talk about Tommy because it's always seems to be so

753
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: positive everything they say, but.

754
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: That's just social media.

755
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, did anyone else think

756
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: that maybe Tommy ruined Zoe's wedding, because it does seem

757
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: like the wedding was a bit of a breaking point

758
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: for Molly May. She didn't go into details about what happened,

759
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: but she said this.

760
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 5: He's never had an alcohol problem. It's just that alcohol

761
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 5: caused problems for us. It got to a point where

762
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 5: I wasn't really looking forward to anything because alcohol affected

763
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 5: it so much. I could only cite a couple of

764
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 5: examples where he had some alcohol and it's not led

765
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 5: to anything disastrous. I mean, I actually don't know any

766
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 5: I really don't my sister's wedding, Like I literally pleaded

767
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 5: with Tommy, like I begged him to not drink, and.

768
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 1: It's just.

769
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 3: I don't know.

770
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: It's it's just really sad because I don't know, I'm

771
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,439
Speaker 5: crying enough.

772
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: Well, the breakup came shortly after Zoe's wedding, so.

773
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: They were on their honeymoon it came out, so this must.

774
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: Have been a tipping point for her.

775
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: Was anyone else surprised at how vocal Molly was about

776
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: her desire to get back with Tommy during this doco,

777
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,919
Speaker 1: because I would love to know the timeline of when

778
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: those bits were filmed. Well, it was clear that she

779
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: blindsided Tommy when she released that statement saying they'd broken up,

780
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: and it felt like a really desperate move of Molly

781
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: to actually get Tommy's attention and to wake him up

782
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: and be like, look, I'm actually serious, because it sounded

783
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: like she had been threatening for a long time to

784
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: break up. Yeah, because she spoke through the process, so

785
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: this wasn't some joint decision to put out a statement.

786
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: She said she was sick of lying in her bed

787
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: wirying all night, so she thought this is the final straw.

788
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: This is going to show him that he needs to change,

789
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: but also make herself accountable because she said that she

790
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't go through with the breakup if it wasn't public. Yeah,

791
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: And in the third episode of the doco, she revealed

792
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: to Zoe it was never meant to be a permanent thing.

793
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 5: I know it's exhausting, but if you didn't draw a

794
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 5: line in the sand, it will carry on being exhausting

795
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 5: for the next time. But I don't want you because

796
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 5: I don't want to end. I knew we were going

797
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 5: to get back together.

798
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,720
Speaker 7: Surely you didn't.

799
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 5: No, I did know that. No, because you're waiting for

800
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 5: why do you think?

801
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: How m not cried?

802
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 5: All I want in this life is to be with

803
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 5: him and to have another baby with him, and to

804
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 5: grow old as a family, and to live in a

805
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 5: nice house together and to have a nice life together.

806
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: Fortunately, that's all I want. To be perfectly honest with you.

807
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 5: I think what's getting me through is the hope and

808
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 5: the idea that Tommy and I, well, we will end

809
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 5: up back together.

810
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: You could tell Zoe was just like, oh for Fox, Yeah, yes,

811
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: what's going on? You do forget that they're only twenty five.

812
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: And when Molly was talking about the fact that Tommy

813
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: wants to be a regular twenty five year old and

814
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: got drinking with his friends and partying, but he also

815
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: wants to be have this stable relationship in this family life,

816
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: you can see that he's at a crossroad and he

817
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do. He almost doesn't want to

818
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,879
Speaker 1: grow up. How sad was watching the vision of Molly

819
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: their phone out having to FaceTime Tommy to say good

820
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: night to Bamby. That made me feel really upset. I

821
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: think bye bye, that's all she ended the conversation. Every

822
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: con was bye bye. Notice her saying bye bye all

823
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: the time, and I was wondering if it was just

824
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: a Tommy because she felt awkward, but then she said

825
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: it to her manager and everyone in the colledep or.

826
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: One viral clip from this doc that's doing the rounds

827
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: on TikTok is a scene where Molly is trying to

828
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: feed her daughter Bamby, and there's a moment where Bambi

829
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: is absolutely losing it, and then Molly realizes the Bambi

830
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 1: is trying to say dadda because she misses Tommy. And

831
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: I've seen so many people saying that they were in

832
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: tears over this moment. It doesn't help that Bambi looks

833
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: exactly like Tommy Fury either, like it would be hard

834
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: to get over him when your daughter is his clone.

835
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 6: Now.

836
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: The producers, of course, left all of us on the

837
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: edge of our seats in the last episode when Molly

838
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: revealed that she was so adamant that they were going

839
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: to get back together, but now she was worried that

840
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: the problems weren't going to go away, and then I

841
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: flashed to the teaser showing Molly's reaction to the headlines

842
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: that came out about their New Year's Eve kiss, and

843
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: she said, oh my god, what Molly May and Tommy

844
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: Fury kiss on New Year's Eve? That is so bad.

845
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: It's clear that this doco is having to play catch

846
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: up big time, and that is why they haven't actually

847
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: set an exact date for the second installment. It says

848
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: coming spring, as in the spring UK time, sometime around there.

849
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: Do you think it was always planned that it was

850
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: going to have this big break in between it, or

851
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: you're just going with the floor, because I think they

852
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: were almost scraping the barrel a bit to fill out

853
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: three episodes of content. A lot of it was on

854
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: the maybe controversy with the jacket we spoke about earlier,

855
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: so I think they've gone fuck well. A lot of

856
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: this stuff that's happening in current time is far more

857
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: interesting than what we've already recorded. I saw a lot

858
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: of people saying it was boring, but I absolutely loved it.

859
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: I thought the producers did an incredible job. It was

860
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: shot so beautifully. It was But if you weren't a fan,

861
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: of Molly May. I can say why some people might

862
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: think got she was a bit boring. She's got eight

863
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: million followers, so there are a lot of people invested

864
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: in her life and it's like, oh, well, we didn't

865
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: hear all the details. I thought what we did get

866
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: to hear was incredible. A thirty four year old Queensland

867
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: influencer has been arrested and charged after allegedly torturing and

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Speaker 1: poisoning her baby daughter to boost her social media following.

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Speaker 1: It's important to note that the reason why we and

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Speaker 1: other media outlets aren't naming the woman is to protect

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Speaker 1: the identity of the child. Now, kay, can you tell

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Speaker 1: us more? Yeah? So, on Thursday, the influencer was charged

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Speaker 1: with a multitude of offenses, including torture, making child exploitation,

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Speaker 1: material fraud, and multiple counts of administering poison. Now, vision

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Speaker 1: of the woman being arrested in her pajamas at her

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Speaker 1: home and then escorted into a police cart was circulated

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Speaker 1: to the media. The woman's face was blurred, but you

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Speaker 1: could tell who it was if you know who the

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Speaker 1: influencer is. What we can say is this influencer gained

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Speaker 1: a following by documenting her child's apparent battle with the

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Speaker 1: terminal illness on social media. Now it's alleged that the

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Speaker 1: poisoning took place between August and October, when and the

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Speaker 1: woman gave the baby, who had a medical condition, medications

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Speaker 1: that were not prescribed or medically approved. The charges follow

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Speaker 1: an extensive police investigation that took place after medical staff

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Speaker 1: from a Brisbane South hospital raised their concern. Now the

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Speaker 1: baby was already sick in hospital with a genuine illness

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Speaker 1: when staff suspected something was not right now. In a

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Speaker 1: press conference, Detective Inspector Paul Dalton labeled the alleged offenses

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Speaker 1: as abhorrent. He said, there are no words to describe

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Speaker 1: just how repulsive offenses of this nature are. There is

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Speaker 1: no excuse for hurting a child, especially not a one

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Speaker 1: year old infant who was reliable on others for care

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Speaker 1: and survival. Dalton confirmed the little girl is going well

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Speaker 1: and she and her siblings are safe, but he did

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Speaker 1: not say who was caring for them. When asked about

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Speaker 1: the woman's sentence, Dalton said, if convicted, she would be

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Speaker 1: facing substantial prison time.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: The influencer has been also accused of defrauding donors of

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars via a GoFundMe page that she allegedly

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Speaker 1: set up. Now, GoFundMe has announced they will refund the

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Speaker 1: money to people who donated, and I've already seen screenshots

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Speaker 1: of people sharing that that donation has been refunded to them. Now,

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Speaker 1: the thirty four year old woman appeared in a prison

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Speaker 1: magistrate's court on Friday, and her lawyer requested that she

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Speaker 1: beheld in protective custody because of concerns for her safety

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Speaker 1: following the publicity around her arrest. Now, she does plan

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Speaker 1: to apply for bail later this month, and the influencer

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Speaker 1: was remanded in custody and will face court again in

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Speaker 1: late January. Well, that is all we've got time for today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to another episode of Outspoken. If

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Speaker 1: you do like this show, please leave us a review.

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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the

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Speaker 1: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respect to

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Speaker 1: elders past and present.