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Speaker 1: Northern Territory. Now the government signed an option to extend

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Speaker 1: the gas sales agreement for a further six and a

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Speaker 2: To twenty forty two if required.

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Speaker 1: Now now joining me on the line to talk a

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. Good morning to your Chief minister. Morning Katie,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning, Chief Minister.

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Speaker 1: What does this mean for the Northern Territory from the

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Speaker 3: So what the agreement with Tamburine has provided is a

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Speaker 3: I and old Territorians that will remember Iani and black Tip,

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Speaker 3: put in additional wells. So we need to make sure

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Speaker 3: we've got the first territory gas that's coming out of

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Speaker 3: now it's an agreement that's conditional though it's a conditional

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Speaker 3: getting to FID, but it provides like a backup well,

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Speaker 3: a whole supply of gas that's available. We will continue

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Speaker 3: to get gas from ME and I, but we can

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Speaker 3: get gas also from Tamberin, but we'll also we're also

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Speaker 3: working with Empire Central Petroleum, so we'll have a portfolio

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Speaker 3: It'll de risk it for for the territory.

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Speaker 1: JEEF Minister, how much is it going to cost? I

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Speaker 3: Those agreements are commercial in confidence obviously, so that's an

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Speaker 1: I know there'll be some naysays sort of saying though,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the government expecting us to just sort

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Speaker 1: for a lot of territories, by very nature, they may

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we know that that people don't necessarily trust politicians.

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Speaker 3: But I can tell you I wasn't involved in the

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Speaker 3: So you know you have high level people who are

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Speaker 1: So you mention the fact that the deal is conditional

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Speaker 2: A number of different things.

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Speaker 2: What do you say to that, No.

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Speaker 3: I say, that's not correct. So the Tamburine continuing to

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Speaker 1: Chiefiness to some traditional owners have condemned the government for

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. So there is a process in

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Speaker 2: Chief Finister, quite a bit to get through this morning.

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Speaker 1: I do want to ask you about an article that's

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister. I mean, what do you make of this situation?

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Speaker 1: It seems unbelievable to me that we've got, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, Katie, I read in the Antinues as well

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Speaker 1: But I mean, is it an example though, of the

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Speaker 2: All need to be a change. I mean, does there

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Speaker 3: So if I said there is, Michael Grant has Chief Justice,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about the government's decision to no

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Speaker 3: Katie As I said, I'm more than happy to backflip

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Speaker 3: we've got a presentation by the Commissioner Matt Varney, the

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Speaker 3: He's also extended the camp facilities, the work camp facilities

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Speaker 3: So I think that some of the conversations that have

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Speaker 4: If I've got security that does nothing. They look good,

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Speaker 3: So I'll continue to make sure that we have security

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, thank you