WEBVTT - Roxy Jacenko's Bootcamp Back Flip, The Baby Reindeer Interview & Shower Snacks 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:05.520 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:09.400 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. Coming 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:12.760 up on today's show, Roxy Jusenko steps down from her 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.680 ten million dollar house giveaway. Here's Morgan is under fire 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:21.480 for interviewing Baby Reindeer's real life Martha, and journalist Antoinette 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:26.280 Latoufe breaks her silence over the inspired Unemployed break. But first, 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:29.680 what do you guys think about eating in the shower, 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.080 because jar Dae Tunci has sparked debate after she uploaded 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.800 a video of her chowing down on a burger in 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:37.960 the shower. Well, I have been known to eat in 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.199 the shower quite a bit, but I've never gone as 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:42.839 far as having a burger. I've only had snacks. Yeah, 0:00:42.920 --> 0:00:45.080 I have been known to also eat in the shower, 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:48.239 which probably won't surprise OG listeners because we have been 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:51.720 slammed for using our phone in the shower. That's gross. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:54.800 I don't think I've ever really eaten a meal, let 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:57.080 alone a chocolate in the shower. Oh, you've got to 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.640 try it. It's the best when you have a little 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:00.520 snack and you take it in there and you're just 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.640 so comfortable and warm. I do want to point out 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.240 that Jade Twincy also is eight months pregnant, so I 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.240 respect it even more as a fellow pregnant woman. I'm 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.600 actually thankful that she reminded me of this because I 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:12.800 haven't done it for so long. I can see how 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.760 it would be nice in winter. And maybe this is 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:16.960 something that a lot of mums do because it's probably 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.520 the only time they get on their own. The worst 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.520 thing is when you get caught out and you've left 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.600 a wrapper in the shower and you just look like 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.840 it absolutely pig to your part. I think I like 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:27.959 when I have a shower at night time. Usually it's 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.760 an everything shower where I'm scrubbing off tan or I'm 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:33.280 shaving my legs so and I'm usually on my phone 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:35.039 as well, so I don't have an extra hand to 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.679 hold food. I can't let this get too out of hand. 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.080 I feel like your partner, Amy is someone who could 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:42.800 progress to eating in the shower because I don't mean 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.360 to call you out. Often when I go in your 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:48.160 bathroom there are empty soda water bottles and also beer bottles. 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:50.240 I think Dale does love a shower beer now and 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.760 then it is getting a little bit embarrassing, especially when 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.040 I've left my chocolate wrapper and there's also beer cans 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:55.360 in there. 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:58.520 I had CAFC for dinner last night, and I feel good. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:01:59.639 I feel good that I've. 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:00.000 Held my head. 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.440 Hi, I was backed into a corner. My name is 0:02:02.480 --> 0:02:02.880 all over. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.720 This money can be made again by me. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:09.080 Roxy Jasenko has announced she's stepping away from the controversial 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.960 ten million dollar house giveaway she was the face of. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.919 Now before we get into the recent drama, Kay, can 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.240 you tell us more about this competition? Well, Roxy launched 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:21.280 the promotion called Roxy's boot Camps, in a wave of 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:26.160 publicity on March eighth. She was absolutely everywhere promoting this competition, 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.640 which I'm sure she heavily regrets. Now so, she appeared 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.800 on the Kyle and Jackie Oh Show and told the 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:34.880 host that she was giving away a ten million dollar home. 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.080 She also did an interview with Sunrise where she said, 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.280 you need to incentivize people to study, and what better 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.240 way than a ten million dollar house, a rolex or 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:48.520 a burken bag. Now amongst the media attention, Domain ran 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.600 with the headline Roxy Jasenko is giving away a ten 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:56.720 million dollar Mediterranean style waterfront pad. This competition was much 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.480 more complicated than your average home lottery, so to you 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:03.600 had to sign up to the course. Prices ranged from 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.359 twenty nine dollars for one month's access to the course 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.760 and one entry into the competition to a four hundred 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.920 and ninety nine dollar subscription which provided you then with 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.399 five hundred entries. The main prize promoted was a ten 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.720 million dollar home located in Cronulla, and the other prizes 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:23.280 included a Rolex watch and a Burken bag, both valued 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.160 at twenty thousand dollars. This is such a huge incentive 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.200 to enter. It's not every day you see a ten 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:30.440 million dollar house up for grabs, and that is why 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:34.720 over seven thousand people signed up for Roxy's course. A 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:37.280 big part of the issue is, though, that media reports 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:40.480 didn't clearly state entrance only had a chance of winning 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.960 the major prize. So the first red flag appeared during 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.920 a Sunrise interview when Roxy deflected from answering the exact 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.240 chances of winning the ten million dollar house. So this 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:55.160 led publication Criche to dig into the terms and conditions, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.760 and it turned out the winning prize wasn't actually the house, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:03.040 but instead entry into another game of chance for the home. 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:06.800 So In the secondary competition, in order to win the home, 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:10.000 the entrant had to select two winning envelopes out of 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.160 two hundred and fifty available to win the house. So 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.680 the odds of going on to pick the right envelope 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.080 alone was one in sixty two thousand, two hundred and fifty. Now, 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:23.080 Kraiki ended up contacting Roxy about the low odds, and 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.719 she responded saying, there is a chance, and that is 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.159 how we are communicating the offer and always have been. 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.480 We are offering someone the chance to play to win 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.560 the property and guaranteed consolation prizes if it is not 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.200 one via the method. Now, the prizes that Roxy is 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.719 referring to is the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:44.080 cash and also the Rolex and Burken Bag. So essentially 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:47.800 this competition was committed to giving away those three prizes, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:50.320 and then it seems like it was very unlikely to 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.760 actually go on to win the ten million dollar house. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.360 And as for this ten million dollar home, it has 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.839 been revealed that it didn't even belong to Roxy, but 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:00.640 instead it belonged to her business partner Yo of Tills 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:04.440 and his associate Kasman Aloui. And according to the Sunday Telegraph. 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:07.400 It was actually purchased in twenty twenty for three point 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.360 four million dollars after it failed to sell at auction, 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.840 but it was enlisted again late last year for ten million, 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.360 but also didn't sell. Now The Daily Telegraph is also 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.960 reporting that local Cronulla real estate agents have expressed doubts 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.440 that the house would even reach the ten million dollar 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.880 asking price. Now. On Friday night, Roxy did share an 0:05:26.960 --> 0:05:30.280 eight minute video announcing she was stepping down as director 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.080 from Roxy's boot camps. The backstory is very interesting because 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.919 she revealed that she had agreed to run the competition 0:05:37.360 --> 0:05:40.840 after being approached by a stranger who direct messaged her 0:05:40.920 --> 0:05:43.360 with the idea. She said, she went on to form 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.280 a partnership with two people she said she didn't know. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.039 Did this shock anyone else? Well, particularly because Roxy does 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.960 position herself as being a very savvy business woman and 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.360 well connected. Yeah, Well, it didn't take long for her 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.720 to regret her decision, because she claims three days after 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.320 the emotion commenced that she felt really uncomfortable and she 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.599 actually suggested to her new business partners that they refund 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.960 all of the purchases. And she alleged that her request 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.880 was rejected and that the promotion continued. 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:13.200 Now. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.479 The pr message was very clear in this video. I 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.080 actually laughed watching it because she said the same thing 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.479 over and over again. So she wanted her audience to 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:25.359 know that she has done everything within her power to 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:29.039 ensure that the three prizes are given to the winners. Now, 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.160 she claims, after discovering the company bank accounts didn't have 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.440 funds to cover the two hundred and fifty thousand dollar prize, 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:38.360 that she tried to chip in the remaining twenty k 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.359 that was missing. Now. She said she would do so 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:45.279 if the money was put into a trust to protect it. Now, 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.800 she said that that request was rejected and then she 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.080 was told that she had to stand down as a 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.520 director and she is now just a shareholder in the company. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.960 She also confirmed that she no longer has access to 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.560 that bank account, so she can't guarantee that the two 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:02.200 hundred and fifty thousand dollar parries will be paid. She did, however, 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:04.520 say that she is holding the burken bag and the 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.719 role AT's hostage. She also claimed that she's out of 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.560 pocket three hundred and fifty thousand dollars now. On Saturday, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.400 Roxy did a follow up video confirming that she would 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:18.120 be personally refunding all seven thousand plus customers who purchased 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.080 a package from Roxy's boot camp. She said the course 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:25.440 would also remain available to everyone who received a refund. Again, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.840 in this video, it was so clear that she was 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.520 really sticking to the PR messaging. So she said so 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.280 many times that she will be personally fitting the bill 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.520 that the money is coming from her. I mean, obviously, 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:39.559 if you are going to be paying that amount of money, 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:41.840 your people to know that's from you. Well, there is 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.480 a rule when you are communicating with people that you 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.920 actually do have to reiterate those points over and over 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.720 again for people to actually buy in and understand it. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.040 But it's not surprising that she has because how dirty 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.880 would you bet your name is attached to this? This 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.760 isn't a good look for her, oh, and a terrible look, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.120 and the fact that, I mean she has come out 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:02.800 and said, look, this doesn't look good for me. My 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:05.679 face is all over it. I did find her PR 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.080 strategy around it very interesting because she is known as 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:12.720 being a very glamorous PR queen, but she chose to 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.800 film the video with no makeup on, in her pajamas, 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.280 with her hair slipped back. That was a very intentional move. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.119 She was clearly trying to create sympathy for herself. She said, 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.680 my hands are tired, I am exhausted, I feel bullied, 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.000 I feel distressed, and I'm embarrassed. It is a clever 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.640 move because it is in stark contrast to how she 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:34.280 was portrayed in the advertisements for this ten million dollar giveaway. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.400 She was obviously very glamed up. It really humanized her 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.640 as well. I fell and if I'm someone who has 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.000 purchased one of these tickets and I'm sort of sitting 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.200 at home thinking what the fuck is going on? I 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.079 think one, Okay, she's clearly jumped on her social media 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.240 as soon as she could to let me know the messaging. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.680 And also if she's sitting on there with a hair 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.400 all done, in glamorous clothes, expensive jewelry, I'm thinking, oh, 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.080 you've clearly run away with the peat. And it also 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.680 looks like it's been pre planned, whereas this looks like 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.320 she's just jumped on and she's been very emotive and 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.640 wanting to just as you said, instantly get on there 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.040 to update people. Yeah, there was definitely a sense of 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:11.839 urgency to this. I also found it interesting that a 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:16.000 month's providing the business details, she repeatedly spoke about her 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.880 weight and how it had been impacted by the stress 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.040 of the promotion. Let's writ to some of what she 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:21.880 said regarding this. 0:09:22.679 --> 0:09:25.440 The course of the last two months, which to be 0:09:25.480 --> 0:09:27.760 really honest with you, feels like two and a half 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:34.239 years for me, Um, it's been nothing short of distressing, stressful. 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:41.199 I am forty nine kilos today alone. I have fainted twice, 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.120 things that have never happened to me. And I have 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:47.280 had many businesses. I've had many ups and downs, and 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.800 I've powered through each and every one of them. 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:52.600 In the second video, she followed up by telling her 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:55.600 audience not to worry because she had eaten KFC tonight. 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:57.320 Before I get what she was trying to do, she 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.559 was trying to show that obviously, this competition is taken 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:02.800 an emotional toll on her and it's causing her a 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.280 lot of stress. But I just feel so uncomfortable with 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.520 her constantly putting out there how much she weighs. I 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.079 think it's quite irrelevant. You can just say I'm very 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:11.840 stressed and I've lost weight. You don't have to say 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.120 how much weight, but also using it as a method 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.760 to gunner sympathy. When she has explicitly spoken on an 0:10:17.760 --> 0:10:20.840 Instagram story about how she works out five times a week, 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.000 she was caught up in controversy because she said she 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:27.000 only ate two boiled eggs and a Greek salad for dinner. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.200 She's spoken a lot about how she exercises five times 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.880 a week. Her weight loss seems quite intentional, particularly because 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:36.760 she also spoke about how she nearly died from taking 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:39.440 a zepic, So it was strange to me that she 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.440 was then blaming this weight loss on the stress of 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.680 this competition. I wonder how many people they actually expected 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.400 to sign up for this course, because it's come out 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.640 that they've had seven thousand entries. If they all of 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:54.000 those seven thousand people actually signed up to the four 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.880 hundred ninety nine dollars subscription, that adds up to around 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.200 three point four million dollars, it's obviously not an enough 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.400 to even pay for the house. Yeah, and it's very 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.680 unlikely that everyone is going to sign up to the 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:05.600 top package. 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:05.839 Now. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:09.520 Roxy's former business partner, Joseph Tills, spoke to The Sunday 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.760 Telegraph and he confirmed that the competition will still go 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.520 ahead without Roxy, so Yosef refuted Roxy's claims and said 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:20.560 that the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars were safely 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.319 sitting in the company's bank account, and he said that 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:26.559 he only removed Roxy from the account after she shared 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.960 the Instagram video on Friday night. Joseph claims that Roxy 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.839 was also set to take fifty percent of the shareholding, 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.640 while he and his other business partner would take twenty 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:38.520 five percent each. He then went on to claim that 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.560 Roxy resigned from the company in mid April, which resulted 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.000 in him being locked out of the company accounts and 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.640 the bank account being frozen. He also said he explored 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.000 legal proceedings, but they were averted when he was granted 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:54.360 access to the accounts on condition that Roxy was permitted 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.200 to exit the business. Now it just seems like an 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.000 absolute shit show. So there were attempts made to repair 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.559 this relationship, and Joseph said that it became irreparable on 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.120 May first. I think the most interesting part of his 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.199 claim is that he said he and his business partner 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.080 were actually the ones that wanted to originally resign from 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:15.319 this business, and he claims that Roxy got wind of 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:17.959 vis so that is why she then pulled the plug 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.680 and announced publicly that she was stepping down as director. 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.320 So it sounds like they're all trying to jump from 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.960 this sinking ship. If I had purchased one of these tickets, 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.640 that would not fill me with much confidence that I'm 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.800 getting money. I question what these guys are saying because 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.560 they have come to Roxy with this concept they are 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:40.120 the brains behind this competition and she is merely the 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:42.680 face of it. Well, I wouldn't say merely the face, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.800 because she also agreed to go ahead with it. These 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.360 guys actually claim that they approached Roxy and said that 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.880 they wanted a celebrity from the Ministry of Talent, which 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.000 is a talent agency. She managed the position, and she said, no, 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:56.640 I've actually got the reach, that is what they allege. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:58.960 I am so interested to see what happens when this 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:03.400 competition is actually drawn, because Roxy said that she's refunding everyone. 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:06.559 So doesn't that defunct the whole competition? Like, how can 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:07.480 it still go ahead? 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.199 I've got a photographic memory. I was top of the 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.120 skill apart from the science. What grade did you get 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.840 all right? Grads? I mean, not top of the or anything. 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.320 When you do a degree, you get it. You're asking 0:13:20.320 --> 0:13:23.040 me what mace I got for thirteen subjects. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:27.439 I can't remember. Controversial UK broadcaster Piers Morgan is under 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.000 fire for his face to face interview with the so 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.079 called real life Marfa, who allegedly inspired the hit Netflix 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:35.439 show Baby Reindeer. 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:35.840 Now. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.000 Critics are questioning the ethics of paying and interviewing an 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.640 alleged stalker, who the show's creator, Richard Gadd, claims is 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.840 mentally ill. Sophie, You, like the rest of the world, 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.760 has been captivated by this show. Yeah, this show has 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.120 gripped me in a way that other shows haven't for 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:53.360 quite some time. And I think it's down to the 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:56.400 fact that it has been promoted as a true story. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.680 This isn't just based off a true story or inspired 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.400 by real life events. Netflix has boldly said that this 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.800 is a true story and the show is absolutely fascinating. 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:09.480 It is written by Richard Gadd, who also plays himself 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.520 on the show. See when I was watching her, I 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.520 didn't realize and that adds a whole extra dimension to 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:20.040 it because the show is just so confronting and raw. Yeah, 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:23.480 it does explore how he became the point of obsession 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.720 for a serial stalker called Martha whilst he was trying 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:28.520 to make it as a comedian, and I think the 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.120 fact that he plays himself in the show makes it 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:34.840 even more powerful. What is pretty remarkable about this show 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:38.240 is that it has turned its audience into armchair detectives. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.840 So after watching this show, fans have been trying to 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.280 hunt down the real life Martha and it was actually 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.400 relatively easy for them to find her because on the 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:52.240 show they used real messages and emails that Richard says 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.760 that the stalker sent him. And the interesting thing about 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.760 the messages is they were written in such a specific 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.880 way there were a lot of consistent ramatical and spelling errors. Yeah, 0:15:01.920 --> 0:15:05.040 and fans were able to cross reference the messages on 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:07.560 social media to the ones on the show, and it 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:11.000 wasn't long before TikTok users revealed who Martha was and 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.000 they created all of these videos online which generated a 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.880 lot of engagement and a lot of attention. Now, the 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.720 real life Martha was revealed to be a fifty eight 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:23.360 year old Scottish woman called Fiona Harvey, and not long 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.320 after her identity was revealed, online journalist Piers Morgan was 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:31.520 promoting that he had a world exclusive TV interview with her, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.400 so he wrote on ex world exclusive, the real life 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.560 Martha from Baby Reindeer breaks cover and gives me the 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:42.280 first TV interview about the smash hit Netflix show Fiona 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:45.280 Harvey wants to have her say and set the record straight. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:49.200 Is she a psychostalker? I love that he finished with 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:53.320 that line, because clearly the interview was already in the can. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:55.240 They would have had to do so much persuading to 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.720 get her on the show. It's pretty incredible when you 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.440 think a YouTube show actually beat out these huge networks 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:04.040 to get this interview. Well, I think that that speaks 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:08.520 more broadly about the entertainment industry though, because TV is dead. 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:11.320 I mean Piers Morgan, he has two million followers or 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.800 two million subscribers on his YouTube channel. In the space 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:19.920 of three days, this YouTube has had nine million views. Now, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.680 this interview was very lengthy. It went for fifty four minutes, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:26.080 and I was glued to every single second of it, 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.640 even though at times I felt uncomfortable that I was 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:31.440 watching it. I think that's how a lot of people 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:34.960 felt online. You almost felt guilty for watching it and 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.600 buying into the sensationalism of it. All. It was like 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.280 watching a car crash. You just could not look away. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.480 And it is clear that Peers used this lengthy interview 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.400 style as a way to trip her up. I could 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.040 just sense how much the producers had tried to say 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:53.960 to Fiona how she and Peers were the same, because 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.840 when he asked her, oh, so, what made you choose 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.440 my show to appear on, she said that she knew 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.600 he had all been persecuted like her. There was this 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.080 connection there. However, I think once the interview went on, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.840 it became quite apparent what side Peers was on. Yeah, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.560 the amount of smoke they would have blown up her 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.960 ass to actually get her to agree to do the interview, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.439 and then the tables would turned sue quickly. Now, during 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:20.920 this interview, Fiona did claim to have only met Richard 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:24.359 a few times, and she did deny sending him forty 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:28.159 one thousand emails and one hundred letters. Instead, she claimed 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.439 that she sent him only a handful of emails and 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.280 that he must have made up the rest himself. It's 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.080 funny because rather than denying the fact that she contacted 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:39.320 him via email, she just kept saying, oh, how would 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.320 someone possibly send forty one thousand emails in the space. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:42.480 Of a year. 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.000 It's like, yeah, I don't know if that's a good 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.679 enough defense, And then she also said, oh, I don't 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.639 think I did, and he's like, well, how do you 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.560 not know if you've sent that many emails. She also 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.760 denied that she's been convicted of stalking Richard or being 0:17:54.800 --> 0:17:58.000 sent to prison, and also claimed to be a lawyer, 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.920 and she revealed her plans to sue both Richard and 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.719 Netflix for defamation. She did reiterate that she personally wouldn't 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.119 be suing them. She also said that her boyfriend was 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.960 a lawyer and he wouldn't be suing that she would 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.760 get a other lawyer to do so. Apparently she has 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.000 been dating this lawyer for five years now. While she 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.199 said the show was defamatory, she also claimed to have 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:22.800 never watched any scene of the show, and in one 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.720 notable moment during this interview, she also boasted about having 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.280 a photographic memory, but was then unable to tell peers 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.160 her law school grades. So there were just so many 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.600 moments where peers managed to trip her up and make 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:40.280 her look silly. This interview did her no favors whatsoever. 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.080 There were so many inconsistencies, and at some points I 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.600 felt like Peers was actually trying to help her out, 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.119 but she just didn't take the bait at all, and 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.320 some of her remarks about Richard have quickly become viral 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.040 memes on TikTok. Let's throw to one of them. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.080 Leave me alone, please get a life, get a proper job. 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:01.240 I am horrified what you've done. 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.760 When I first saw these memes circulating, my first reaction 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.359 was to send them on and have a bit of 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.800 a laugh. But when you think about it, it's actually 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.000 really sad that this mentally ill woman is being taken 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:16.679 advantage of by a huge broadcaster and being mocked for 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.359 all of our entertainment. This is also not going to 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.199 be good for her legal case, because this will be 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:24.760 used as evidence against her. What I found most surprising 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.239 was following this interview, Fiona came out and admitted that 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:31.399 she was paid only two hundred and fifty pounds for 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.960 this exclusive, and it turned out that she had turned 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:37.919 down a number of other morning shows. She said that 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.680 she felt used by Peers and that the questions were 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.520 rapid fire to try and trip her up. She also 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.359 said it was fast paced to catch me off. God, 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:49.479 has she not seen any other interviews by Piers Morgan 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:53.400 because that is just his interview style. I do wonder 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.479 if these morning shows didn't offer her any money, because 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:59.919 ethically it looks really wrong to pay an accuse stalk 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.600