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Speaker 1: This is between July one, twenty twenty one, and March

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Speaker 1: this year. It is four hundred and fifty additional resignations

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Speaker 1: Bill Yan.

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Speaker 2: A very good morning to you, Bill, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Katie, and good morning to your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Bill, fourteen hundred staff have resigned, sixty five of

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Speaker 1: those sacked, one made redundant. Was there any context given

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Speaker 3: And those numbers are absolutely shocking. K And remember that

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Speaker 3: you extrapold that out for twelve months, add another four

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Speaker 2: But when we are goodness week, So Bill, sorry, hang

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Speaker 1: So fourteen hundred health staff obviously, as we know, that's

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Speaker 3: Well, well, if you look at it, you divide fourteen

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Speaker 3: We've still got three months to go ocating, so that

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Speaker 1: So no context Bill as to why we've lost such

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Speaker 3: To get some answers on starting in our global questions.

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Speaker 3: so that doesn't stack up either. So there's some really

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Speaker 1: Could it be a situation here where we've wound up

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Speaker 3: No, these people I believe that have been lost from

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Speaker 1: Was there much was there much information gleaned when it

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Speaker 2: Darlin, it's a massive amount of money.

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Speaker 1: That was twelve million dollars at Alice Springs Hospital, it

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Speaker 2: They're massive numbers.

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Speaker 3: Oh you look, over time is going to be inevitable

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Speaker 2: So what do you reckon needs to happen here?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, like I said, a lot of people

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Speaker 2: But what do you think needs to happen here?

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Speaker 3: Well, first and foremost, we need to be recruiting to

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Speaker 3: We need to be doing the same thing.

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Speaker 2: At this point in time.

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Speaker 3: So how do we attract people from other jurisdictions to

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Speaker 3: we will see our debt increasing yet again over the

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Speaker 3: already staying levels of debt eyewarding at eight point six

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Speaker 3: billion dollars. It's just in all your hopes, but all

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Speaker 3: going to bail us out. It's a very very dangerous

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Speaker 3: movement and it's for the issues.

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Speaker 2: Well do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: It's fair enough that we do try to sort of

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Speaker 1: get as much as we can, though when it comes

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Speaker 3: Quite absolutely get as much JEWS GUS as we can, Katie,

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Speaker 3: I have absolutely no wishes that the territory actually gets

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Speaker 3: of our own issues. Yes, get as much US to

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Speaker 3: revenue as we can. I have no issues with that.

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Speaker 3: Go to the federal government and wave to plague and

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Speaker 3: say hey, we need to help a little bit different

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Speaker 3: do the nice to do things, to start to grow

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Speaker 1: Hey Bill, I've got a quick one here from Kim

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Speaker 1: I wonder what percentage of the overtime shifts were not filled,

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Speaker 3: Well, and that comes down to the short staff, Katie,

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Speaker 2: See, Hey, before I let you go, Bill very quick one.

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Speaker 1: We know that this issue with the turf Club grandstand,

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Speaker 1: it's just not going away.

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Speaker 2: What needs to happen here, well, the.

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Speaker 3: Government needs to come out and tell us exactly what

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Speaker 3: they're doing. There was a number of questions I asked

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Speaker 3: Treasurer came out on the offense of blaming the leader

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Speaker 3: is going on. The government have provided them with the grant.

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Speaker 3: The government probably now need to say, all right, well

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Speaker 3: any other grants provided to sporting organizations. If there's any

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Speaker 3: organizations can't affoard that. So we need some clear direction

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll wait and see exactly what happens in that space.

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Speaker 1: Bill Yan, the opposition spokesperson for Health. We appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time this morning. Thank you.