Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch up podcast.
Speaker 2: Listen. I really do need to acknowledge Mickey's hard work
Speaker 2: here in the studio. It has been a busy week
Speaker 2: for me. That is my only excuse, and therefore I
Speaker 2: didn't really get that much time to prepare for the show.
Speaker 1: Let's just how many Let's just do a headcount. Since
Speaker 1: Mickey has been our producer, how many of Frooms's break
Speaker 1: have actually been in Mickey's break. There's a reason why
Speaker 1: people say Flex Frooms and Mickey, let's just do a headcount.
Speaker 1: Would you say it's half of your breaks?
Speaker 2: I'd say one third?
Speaker 1: What am I doing your dirty? Their babes, Oh you're
Speaker 1: doing you dirty? I hope it. It's like fifty five
Speaker 1: forty five, who forty five fifty five?
Speaker 2: It's giving industrialization of the flecs and from show.
Speaker 1: It's giving. This is how this is people's fear about
Speaker 1: if women ran world and just just be like patriarchy.
Speaker 1: Why do we have an all woman show and yet
Speaker 1: the youngest woman here has been unfairly Anyways, keep it cashing.
Speaker 1: What's happening, Micky? What have you prepared for us today? No?
Speaker 1: I say this all.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to thank you, you know, because I imagine
Speaker 2: some people in my position would take all the credit.
Speaker 1: This is true, the producer. Often people go, what do
Speaker 1: they actually do? Exactly? Well, now home on, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: every now and then I'll use Mickey freaks to bolster
Speaker 1: my own But I do my job. Thank you very
Speaker 1: much is a boster, some would say.
Speaker 2: Now anyway, something that Mickey brought to my attention was
Speaker 2: a story from the ABC which I believe it will
Speaker 2: be very interesting to our demographic. The title is Australia's
Speaker 2: first female pilot at major commercial airline, Deborah Laurie opens
Speaker 2: Sydney Airport bridge named in her honor Hut.
Speaker 1: The story is as follows.
Speaker 2: The New Southwal's government has announced the Deborah Laurie Flyover,
Speaker 2: part of the Sydney Gateway project, which will open on
Speaker 2: November twelfth, to improve access to the domestic terminal and
Speaker 2: take pressure off the intersection outside the airport. Captain Lowry,
Speaker 2: who's seventy still flies for Virgin And said she was
Speaker 2: honored to be recognized as a trailblazer for women in aviation.
Speaker 1: It's difficult to.
Speaker 2: Find ways to explain how excited I am about this,
Speaker 2: she said, The irony of flying over the top of
Speaker 2: reginald Anset Drive makes me smile no more than that laugh.
Speaker 2: And why Debra, Because in the late nineteen seventies, Debora
Speaker 2: Laurie won a landmark sexual discrimination case allowing her to
Speaker 2: work as a pilot for Anset. So Reginald Anset, the
Speaker 2: airline owner, had never hired a female pilot. An Anset
Speaker 2: appealed all the way to the High Court to try
Speaker 2: and stop Captain Laurie, who had flown since she was sixteen,
Speaker 2: from working there. What happened Guys an Set loss, Captain
Speaker 2: Larry's career in commercial aviation began, and then what happened
Speaker 2: to Anset guys redacted. And I thought that was quite
Speaker 2: a sad loss of an Australian company. I mean, I
Speaker 2: wasn't around for Anset days.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was going to say, I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about an It might have been before my time.
Speaker 2: So I will personally never forget the first that I
Speaker 2: heard somebody like talk about women pilots when I was
Speaker 2: working at Yundai.
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was Ynda, I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't know that I did not know that. Come on
Speaker 1: you just knowing.
Speaker 2: Ynday Melbourne City, Yunday, let me know. And it's in
Speaker 2: South Melbourne. Every day I'd go to work in my
Speaker 2: jeep driving from out in my.
Speaker 1: Jeeps coming out and this is coming out for the.
Speaker 2: First time, drive my little Tonka truck jeep all the
Speaker 2: way down the freeway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, babes, it was sick. What happened to him?
Speaker 2: I sold it, which is the biggest kept because that
Speaker 2: stuff would be expensive. Now is silver Jeep Wrangler a boxy,
Speaker 2: boxy car? Pretty sure it could have a soft top roof,
Speaker 2: but I never took it off. I never discovered. But
Speaker 2: I loved my cars. Huh soft tops, Yeah, they don't eat,
Speaker 2: do they.
Speaker 1: You're buying a whole car. Buy a whole car, and
Speaker 1: they're not giving you a discount for the soft top.
Speaker 1: Not enough.
Speaker 2: So when I was working here and day, I was
Speaker 2: like making coffees amongst also selling tint and whatnot. And
Speaker 2: remember this man came in with his son and they
Speaker 2: were talking about how they got on a plane to
Speaker 2: Melbourne earlier that day and that it was a woman
Speaker 2: pilot and how they were like, I didn't want to
Speaker 2: get on the plane because it was a woman pilot.
Speaker 2: And I remember really sitting there, eighteen years old all
Speaker 2: the time feeling furious, what is this sexism in the
Speaker 2: wild that I'm witnessing. It was like obviously not the
Speaker 2: first sex and sexism moment that I'd seen, but in
Speaker 2: the workplace it was giving outlandish sexism areas, and it's
Speaker 2: just always stayed in my mind. And I've always like
Speaker 2: wanted to have a woman pilot, so I could, you know,
Speaker 2: experience that. I feel like I don't see that many
Speaker 2: women pilots have you? Have you ever seen one? Biki?
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm really looking seeing the pilot.
Speaker 2: For really, I love having a little ganda as I'm
Speaker 2: walking off, give him a little lieut thank you for
Speaker 2: your service, like if your servants. But it kind of
Speaker 2: like I wonder how good it actually is to work
Speaker 2: in an industry where you are so clearly not respected,
Speaker 2: Like this is a really beautiful moment for her, but
Speaker 2: she's seventy, Like for how long did you have to
Speaker 2: have to put up with like.
Speaker 1: Bloody proven people wrong? Like that would just be exhausting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't talk about that like six yet
Speaker 2: of bridge, But like I don't know, feels like a
Speaker 2: lot of work for a bridge.
Speaker 1: What do you recomplex? Ah, I think it's always a
Speaker 1: good time to be given your flowers. I don't think
Speaker 1: that there's an even I don't think there's a bad
Speaker 1: time for people to acknowledge what you've done. I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's exactly what the patriarchy wants
Speaker 1: you to think. Like you, as a woman sees another
Speaker 1: woman get validated, you're kind of like, ah, but what's
Speaker 1: the point. It's like, this is the point, Like there
Speaker 1: should be a thousand statues of women who've done exceptional things,
Speaker 1: and there isn't. And I think it's incredible. I mean,
Speaker 1: it would be frustrating for her to be the first
Speaker 1: of many, but I think that's the point. We need
Speaker 1: the first, so it isn't frustrating for the next person,
Speaker 1: the next person, the next person, and so it isn't
Speaker 1: a narrative when we're kind of like, wait, what would
Speaker 1: have been the issue? Like, you know, even the fact
Speaker 1: that we can think of times where people have how
Speaker 1: do I explain this? We know that in the English
Speaker 1: language especially, man is neutral, right, Like you hear man,
Speaker 1: it's neutral, you hear woman? You hear other, and who
Speaker 1: knows how long it's going to take us to get
Speaker 1: to a point where you hear woman and you're not
Speaker 1: thinking of her in relation to a man either, just
Speaker 1: being like, oh sick, it's just a pilot. And in
Speaker 1: your head you're picturing a woman. Oh it's a doctor,
Speaker 1: and you pictured a woman not the doctor. Oh, Like
Speaker 1: it's a trade and you pictured a woman.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: I think we need more of these instances, and we
Speaker 1: need it done in very obnoxious ways. So everybody has
Speaker 1: to reckon with how uncomfortable it makes them in an
Speaker 1: obnoxious way. So when people say like, oh, she was
Speaker 1: the first black person, everyone's like, don't, don't alienate, but
Speaker 1: it's like, no, we need the alien It has to
Speaker 1: work in people's favor because that's how ostracyite. That's how
Speaker 1: being ostracized works. You are othered, but now be othered
Speaker 1: because you're exceptional. Don't be othered because you are the
Speaker 1: exception to the rule. Cool. Yeah, I'll feel for her.
Speaker 1: It'd be so frustrating because think about the people who
Speaker 1: now get to profit of what she did on her own,
Speaker 1: Like all this stuff she had to do on her own,
Speaker 1: had to overcome and now whoever has erected this statue
Speaker 1: in her likeness gets to be looked at like some
Speaker 1: amazing persons. That's what I mean, Like where were you
Speaker 1: when she was in the kitchen cooking? But for real,
Speaker 1: it must be done well. I'm excited to take the
Speaker 1: bridge really reflection through. You've been listening to the Flex
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