WEBVTT - Karma 🧁 Is Best Served As A Monument 🗽

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<v Speaker 1>Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex

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<v Speaker 1>and Frooms catch up podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. I really do need to acknowledge Mickey's hard work

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<v Speaker 2>here in the studio. It has been a busy week

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<v Speaker 2>for me. That is my only excuse, and therefore I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really get that much time to prepare for the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just how many Let's just do a headcount. Since

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<v Speaker 1>Mickey has been our producer, how many of Frooms's break

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<v Speaker 1>have actually been in Mickey's break. There's a reason why

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<v Speaker 1>people say Flex Frooms and Mickey, let's just do a headcount.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you say it's half of your breaks?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say one third?

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<v Speaker 1>What am I doing your dirty? Their babes, Oh you're

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<v Speaker 1>doing you dirty? I hope it. It's like fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>forty five, who forty five fifty five?

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<v Speaker 2>It's giving industrialization of the flecs and from show.

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<v Speaker 1>It's giving. This is how this is people's fear about

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<v Speaker 1>if women ran world and just just be like patriarchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we have an all woman show and yet

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest woman here has been unfairly Anyways, keep it cashing.

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<v Speaker 1>What's happening, Micky? What have you prepared for us today? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I say this all.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to thank you, you know, because I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>some people in my position would take all the credit.

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<v Speaker 1>This is true, the producer. Often people go, what do

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<v Speaker 1>they actually do? Exactly? Well, now home on, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>every now and then I'll use Mickey freaks to bolster

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<v Speaker 1>my own But I do my job. Thank you very

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<v Speaker 1>much is a boster, some would say.

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<v Speaker 2>Now anyway, something that Mickey brought to my attention was

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<v Speaker 2>a story from the ABC which I believe it will

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<v Speaker 2>be very interesting to our demographic. The title is Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>first female pilot at major commercial airline, Deborah Laurie opens

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<v Speaker 2>Sydney Airport bridge named in her honor Hut.

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<v Speaker 1>The story is as follows.

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<v Speaker 2>The New Southwal's government has announced the Deborah Laurie Flyover,

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<v Speaker 2>part of the Sydney Gateway project, which will open on

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<v Speaker 2>November twelfth, to improve access to the domestic terminal and

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<v Speaker 2>take pressure off the intersection outside the airport. Captain Lowry,

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<v Speaker 2>who's seventy still flies for Virgin And said she was

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<v Speaker 2>honored to be recognized as a trailblazer for women in aviation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's difficult to.

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<v Speaker 2>Find ways to explain how excited I am about this,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, The irony of flying over the top of

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<v Speaker 2>reginald Anset Drive makes me smile no more than that laugh.

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<v Speaker 2>And why Debra, Because in the late nineteen seventies, Debora

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<v Speaker 2>Laurie won a landmark sexual discrimination case allowing her to

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<v Speaker 2>work as a pilot for Anset. So Reginald Anset, the

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<v Speaker 2>airline owner, had never hired a female pilot. An Anset

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<v Speaker 2>appealed all the way to the High Court to try

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<v Speaker 2>and stop Captain Laurie, who had flown since she was sixteen,

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<v Speaker 2>from working there. What happened Guys an Set loss, Captain

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<v Speaker 2>Larry's career in commercial aviation began, and then what happened

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<v Speaker 2>to Anset guys redacted. And I thought that was quite

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<v Speaker 2>a sad loss of an Australian company. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't around for Anset days.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I was going to say, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>anything about an It might have been before my time.

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<v Speaker 2>So I will personally never forget the first that I

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<v Speaker 2>heard somebody like talk about women pilots when I was

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<v Speaker 2>working at Yundai.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know it was Ynda, I didn't know. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that I did not know that. Come on

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<v Speaker 1>you just knowing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ynday Melbourne City, Yunday, let me know. And it's in

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<v Speaker 2>South Melbourne. Every day I'd go to work in my

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<v Speaker 2>jeep driving from out in my.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeeps coming out and this is coming out for the.

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<v Speaker 2>First time, drive my little Tonka truck jeep all the

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<v Speaker 2>way down the freeway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, babes, it was sick. What happened to him?

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<v Speaker 2>I sold it, which is the biggest kept because that

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<v Speaker 2>stuff would be expensive. Now is silver Jeep Wrangler a boxy,

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<v Speaker 2>boxy car? Pretty sure it could have a soft top roof,

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<v Speaker 2>but I never took it off. I never discovered. But

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<v Speaker 2>I loved my cars. Huh soft tops, Yeah, they don't eat,

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<v Speaker 2>do they.

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<v Speaker 1>You're buying a whole car. Buy a whole car, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not giving you a discount for the soft top.

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<v Speaker 1>Not enough.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I was working here and day, I was

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<v Speaker 2>like making coffees amongst also selling tint and whatnot. And

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<v Speaker 2>remember this man came in with his son and they

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about how they got on a plane to

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne earlier that day and that it was a woman

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<v Speaker 2>pilot and how they were like, I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>get on the plane because it was a woman pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember really sitting there, eighteen years old all

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<v Speaker 2>the time feeling furious, what is this sexism in the

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<v Speaker 2>wild that I'm witnessing. It was like obviously not the

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<v Speaker 2>first sex and sexism moment that I'd seen, but in

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<v Speaker 2>the workplace it was giving outlandish sexism areas, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just always stayed in my mind. And I've always like

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to have a woman pilot, so I could, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>experience that. I feel like I don't see that many

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<v Speaker 2>women pilots have you? Have you ever seen one? Biki?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I'm really looking seeing the pilot.

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<v Speaker 2>For really, I love having a little ganda as I'm

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<v Speaker 2>walking off, give him a little lieut thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your service, like if your servants. But it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like I wonder how good it actually is to work

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<v Speaker 2>in an industry where you are so clearly not respected,

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<v Speaker 2>Like this is a really beautiful moment for her, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's seventy, Like for how long did you have to

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<v Speaker 2>have to put up with like.

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<v Speaker 1>Bloody proven people wrong? Like that would just be exhausting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we don't talk about that like six yet

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<v Speaker 2>of bridge, But like I don't know, feels like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of work for a bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you recomplex? Ah, I think it's always a

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<v Speaker 1>good time to be given your flowers. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that there's an even I don't think there's a bad

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<v Speaker 1>time for people to acknowledge what you've done. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like it's exactly what the patriarchy wants

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<v Speaker 1>you to think. Like you, as a woman sees another

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<v Speaker 1>woman get validated, you're kind of like, ah, but what's

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<v Speaker 1>the point. It's like, this is the point, Like there

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<v Speaker 1>should be a thousand statues of women who've done exceptional things,

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<v Speaker 1>and there isn't. And I think it's incredible. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be frustrating for her to be the first

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<v Speaker 1>of many, but I think that's the point. We need

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<v Speaker 1>the first, so it isn't frustrating for the next person,

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<v Speaker 1>the next person, the next person, and so it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>a narrative when we're kind of like, wait, what would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the issue? Like, you know, even the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we can think of times where people have how

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<v Speaker 1>do I explain this? We know that in the English

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<v Speaker 1>language especially, man is neutral, right, Like you hear man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's neutral, you hear woman? You hear other, and who

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<v Speaker 1>knows how long it's going to take us to get

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<v Speaker 1>to a point where you hear woman and you're not

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of her in relation to a man either, just

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<v Speaker 1>being like, oh sick, it's just a pilot. And in

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<v Speaker 1>your head you're picturing a woman. Oh it's a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>and you pictured a woman not the doctor. Oh, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a trade and you pictured a woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Like.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we need more of these instances, and we

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<v Speaker 1>need it done in very obnoxious ways. So everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>to reckon with how uncomfortable it makes them in an

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<v Speaker 1>obnoxious way. So when people say like, oh, she was

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<v Speaker 1>the first black person, everyone's like, don't, don't alienate, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, we need the alien It has to

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<v Speaker 1>work in people's favor because that's how ostracyite. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>being ostracized works. You are othered, but now be othered

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<v Speaker 1>because you're exceptional. Don't be othered because you are the

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<v Speaker 1>exception to the rule. Cool. Yeah, I'll feel for her.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd be so frustrating because think about the people who

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<v Speaker 1>now get to profit of what she did on her own,

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<v Speaker 1>Like all this stuff she had to do on her own,

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<v Speaker 1>had to overcome and now whoever has erected this statue

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<v Speaker 1>in her likeness gets to be looked at like some

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<v Speaker 1>amazing persons. That's what I mean, Like where were you

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<v Speaker 1>when she was in the kitchen cooking? But for real,

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<v Speaker 1>it must be done well. I'm excited to take the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge really reflection through. You've been listening to the Flex

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