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Speaker 1: Selena Yubo.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Selena, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: Wanting to listeners, it's Selena before we get into some

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Speaker 3: A day when well.

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Speaker 1: An outstanding territorian is going to be fair world. Ted

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Speaker 1: Egan State Memorial taking place in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, I think territorians from every corner and pocket

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Speaker 2: you know, I grew up listening to his music as

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Speaker 2: call it radical thinking, Katie, but I think it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, Selena.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday on the show, we spoke about news which had

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Speaker 3: The member for FNGLIMB, Tansel Rahman.

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Speaker 1: Now he's been accused of bullying by two female staffers

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that if anybody has experienced workplace bullying,

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Speaker 2: Of course he does. He's a member of the government.

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Speaker 2: That, Oh, Katie. He came out and the apologized for it.

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Speaker 2: that is specifically around upgrades for Royal Daln Hospital to

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Speaker 2: be utilized, and there was no response addressing that the

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Speaker 2: Anti government had created a plan. And then lo and behold,

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Speaker 2: a couple of days later, the week after, we hear

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Speaker 2: that the late homework has been submitted to the teacher,

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Speaker 2: you know, to the federal Health Minister to be able

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Speaker 2: to say where that money is going to be use.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen that. We would love to the public

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Speaker 2: to see that so we can understand where the priorities

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Speaker 2: are of those upgrades for the maternity ward and the

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Speaker 2: services provided at ARDIH which a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: relying on. Babies don't wait for political decisions, Katie. They

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Speaker 2: need to be born when they need to be born,

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Speaker 2: and we need to have those resources and the staff

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Speaker 2: supported as best as possible for those territory bars to

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Speaker 2: be born and the families of course and the women.

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Speaker 2: So we'd love to see what the plan is around

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Speaker 2: those upgrades. Apparently it's been submitted last week. We asked

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Speaker 2: many questions on that. It's not going away, Katie. We

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Speaker 2: need to see the Colp government show that they're actually

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Speaker 2: listening to the concerns that they really do want to

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Speaker 2: support those staff who are working in maternity service across

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Speaker 2: the nt and have that accountability. That's what we want

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Speaker 2: them to see. We can be very constructive, Katie. I

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Speaker 2: will absolutely be constructive if we know that the government's

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Speaker 2: doing their job and right now they're not.

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Speaker 3: So now, when you.

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Speaker 1: Guys are in power, did you look at planning for

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Speaker 1: a new hospital.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Katie, there was different talks about where priorities are.

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Speaker 2: Obviously that involves a huge amount of work and planning.

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Speaker 2: But I think a new hospital for the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we were able to deliver the Palmerston Regional Hospital

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Speaker 2: when Labor was in government, and I think that most

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Speaker 2: people degree that our largest hospital with the Royal Dane

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Speaker 2: Hospital and all the extra extensions and purpose buildings that

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Speaker 2: have happened over the years, have made a big difference

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Speaker 2: to health services in the NTY because the Northern Territory's

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Speaker 2: largest hospital is not just for the people in that region.

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Speaker 2: Everyone across the nt accesses services from those hospitals, so

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Speaker 2: from that hospital. So I think you know, if I

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Speaker 2: was choosing, if I was in government right now, Katie,

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Speaker 2: I'll be choosing to build a new hospital and not

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Speaker 2: a new prison.

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Speaker 1: Well, Selena Yubo, the leader of the opposition. It is

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Speaker 1: always good to catch up with you. Thanks so much

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Speaker 1: for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you much. Thanks Katie, thank you