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Speaker 2: Yesterday, the coroner, Elizabeth Armitage's findings were delivered into the

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Speaker 2: The coroner made thirty five recommendations, many calling for significant

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Speaker 2: joins me on the line. Good morning to you, Selena,

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Speaker 2: let's try that again. Good morning to you again, Selena.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, cating listeners.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Now what

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Speaker 2: this inquest, well, what we know is it's been running

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Speaker 2: for about seventeen months. There were a number of recommendations,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie, I know it's been quite a harrwing process

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Speaker 1: clear process that the coroner handed down those thirty five

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Speaker 2: It certainly has been what do you think needs to

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Speaker 1: I think it is, Katie. I don't think there's anything

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Speaker 1: I think there's a multitude of the very productive and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Katie, that is the bare minimum, and that's to

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Speaker 2: One of the things that the coroner said yesterday throughout

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Speaker 2: It really really has to change. And I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: I understand. Obviously, my colleague Chancey Paig did a full

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Speaker 1: extent of the legislation that the Celpi government is trying

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Speaker 1: to bring in around this position. We don't disagree with

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Speaker 1: the principles of it, but there are some things that

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Speaker 1: we've seen through the discussion paper that was secretly released

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Speaker 1: that provide the Chief Minister and an unelected a senior

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Speaker 1: government official with some powers that have never been seen

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Speaker 1: in the territory to sidestep and to completely go over

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Speaker 1: legislative processes.

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Speaker 2: Are you concerned though that you know that Labor really

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Speaker 2: wasn't able to get a major project off the ground

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Speaker 2: over eight years, like can you can you see that

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Speaker 2: some things maybe do need to change in order to

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Speaker 2: get things moving.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, o, Katie, definitely love to see some major projects

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Speaker 1: actually get delivered and to see that movement happen, but

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Speaker 1: not at the risk of territorians, you know, thought and

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Speaker 1: process and face in being able to have some of

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Speaker 1: those legislative protections, particularly around the environment. We know a

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Speaker 1: lot of people get very passionate about the environment and

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Speaker 1: the territory Canadian rightly so, but we want to make

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Speaker 1: sure those safeguards remain. And if there's way to expediate

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Speaker 1: processes the development that benefit territorians, and that's great, we'd

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Speaker 1: love to see that and to be able to support that,

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Speaker 1: but again, not at the expense of removing processes and

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Speaker 1: safeguards and protections that territorians expect to have.

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Speaker 2: Selena, I know your press for time as we were

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Speaker 2: about to catch up with Justine the Independent, but before

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Speaker 2: I let you go, you touched on these a couple

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Speaker 2: of moments ago, the alcohol legislation, the floor price being scrapped,

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Speaker 2: some people questioning why labor is really making a fuss

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Speaker 2: of this When you guys let the stronger futures legislation

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Speaker 2: laps in Alice Springs and we saw the ramifications.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the alcohol floor price unit. That was part of

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Speaker 1: the processes that we undertook as labor to make sure

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Speaker 1: that there were some other mechanisms. There's not a one

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Speaker 1: stop shop in terms of fixing the alcohol harm and

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Speaker 1: the impact of alcohol harm in the Northern Territory, Katie.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we have seen some positive benefits to

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Speaker 1: that policy. MEN'SI School of Health, which most territories will

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Speaker 1: know very trusted in Independent Health Institute provided some very

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Speaker 1: clear stats fourteen percent of reduction in our corelated assaults

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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory because of that policy, eleven percent

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Speaker 1: of reduction in family domestic violent violence assaults in the territory,

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Speaker 1: and nineteen percent reduction of our coorelated emergency department attendance

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Speaker 1: as Katie, so every bit helps with what do you

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Speaker 1: reckon ensure that there's less harm in our community?

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Speaker 2: Why do you reckon that? We're in a situation though,

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Speaker 2: where despite those numbers, a lot of Territorians still want

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Speaker 2: these scrapped and do not believe it's working.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure I can't talk to how people

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Speaker 1: are feeling about that. But when we do want to

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Speaker 1: see what policies work and don't work in the territory,

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Speaker 1: people go to data. So having a look at independent

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Speaker 1: data is always really important to be able to inform,

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Speaker 1: to shape to guide government policy because we want to

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Speaker 1: see government policy that benefits everyone in the territory, Katie,

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Speaker 1: and people may not like that particular policy, but you know,

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Speaker 1: the data does speak for itself. But I think it

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Speaker 1: is very very concerning, Katie that the Celpick government, who

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Speaker 1: recognizes and who has spoken about alcohol harm in the

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Speaker 1: community whilst they were in opposition for the four years

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Speaker 1: over the last four years, they're now saying, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: going to reduce sorry, we're going to scrap this policy

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Speaker 1: which they don't believe reduces harm in the community, which

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Speaker 1: clearly this that say otherwise. And they're doing it in

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Speaker 1: a week where we've just seen the coronial Inquesse of

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Speaker 1: seventeen months and the coroner say that alcohol availability in

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Speaker 1: the territory needs to be reduced. So I don't understand, Katie,

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Speaker 1: why the Celpick government is pursuing this as a process

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Speaker 1: that they are going to undertake, particularly this week of

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Speaker 1: all weeks in the territory, but particularly as a government

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Speaker 1: who wants to be responsible around reducing alcohol harm in

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Speaker 1: the community and ignoring the stats, ignoring the independent research

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Speaker 1: and ignoring the health benefits for territories when it comes

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Speaker 1: to alcohol harm.

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Speaker 2: Selena, we are going to have to leave it there.

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Speaker 2: I know you've got to get into Parliament as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so very much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Katie, I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.