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Speaker 2: Justa heads up. This episode deals with intimate partner and

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Speaker 3: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: the first of November. I'm Zara, I'm Sam. This week

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Speaker 3: we reported news that another woman had been killed in Australia.

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Speaker 4: Lily James was a gifted athlete and a former dancer.

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Speaker 4: At just twenty one years old, she was working as

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Speaker 3: It comes as a new report by the Australian Institute

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Speaker 3: of Family Studies shows that nearly one third of Ozzie

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Speaker 3: teenagers aged eighteen to nineteen have experienced intimate partner violence.

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Speaker 3: So today we are speaking to Chanell Kontos. She's the

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Speaker 3: When Chanell first launched her petition for consent to education

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Speaker 3: she's actually delivering a National Press Club speech. Before we

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Speaker 2: Israel continues to intensify its ground and air attack on

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Speaker 3: The federal government's ten billion dollar Housing Investment Fund will

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Speaker 3: helping deliver the government's housing targets, including thirty thousand new

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Speaker 2: The Australian Bureau of Statistics has released twenty twenty two

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having Misarl.

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Speaker 3: It's a big day. You are speaking at the Press

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Speaker 5: I think what needs to change? We need to think

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Speaker 3: The government has made it a priority to say that

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Speaker 5: the best of our ability. But when it comes down

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Speaker 5: to an individual level, we need to ensure that we're

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Speaker 5: being kind to each other. Because I don't believe it

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Speaker 5: is any individual's fault that we are in this situation.

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Speaker 5: It is everyone's fault, which is why it is everyone's

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Speaker 3: On that note, now, good luck for your speech today,

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Speaker 3: and thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you Sarh so funn coming on here with you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to that episode of The Daily Odds.

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Speaker 2: If this episode has brought up anything for you, you

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Speaker 2: can call one eight hundred respects twenty four to seven.

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Speaker 2: That's one eight hundred seven three to two seven three

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Speaker 3: Seven, Have a great day, and we'll be back again

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Speaker 3: tomorrow