Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms, Flex and Frooms. This is the Flex
Speaker 1: and Frooms catch Up podcast. Here's the thing about miss me.
Speaker 1: Here's the thingy Now.
Speaker 2: When we record our podcasts, we do it downstairs in
Speaker 2: our original studio space. And there's something about the energy
Speaker 2: here that is like a black hole. It sucks the
Speaker 2: life out of you. You really do have to try
Speaker 2: to fight against the current to stay alert and aware
Speaker 2: and present in this room. One thing for me won't
Speaker 2: do is fight against that current. She will let it
Speaker 2: take her under.
Speaker 3: You don't what to do it in a rip.
Speaker 1: Literally, she lets the rip take her under. You know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to, she.
Speaker 2: Don't want to challenge. But then I'm like, Beds, we
Speaker 2: still have to we still have to work.
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, fuck it,
Speaker 1: fuck you've lost it.
Speaker 3: Let's read the rookie and do you mean to swear
Speaker 3: it you Brookie? I'll produce song whatever, whatever. Brookie's over it.
Speaker 3: But we're on this Steeler Girl.
Speaker 1: I'm into it.
Speaker 3: Sound contract.
Speaker 1: I love the overcoming narrative.
Speaker 3: What I he a little different, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Alright?
Speaker 3: Let's get to it. Flex and Rooms on Kater.
Speaker 2: As you know, we have crowned ourselves the most appropriate
Speaker 2: people to answer life's big questions. Today's comes from a
Speaker 2: listener called Elise, and they say, hey, Flex and Rooms,
Speaker 2: I love listening to your show and want to get
Speaker 2: your thoughts on people that have bucket lists. I personally
Speaker 2: think they're stupid and don't really understand the hype around them.
Speaker 2: Do you have one yourself? And if you did, what
Speaker 2: would be on it?
Speaker 1: Damn?
Speaker 3: Alice really came in sing like they're stupid. You know.
Speaker 3: I used to call my dad stupid back to other people,
Speaker 3: and then this other adult pulled me aside and said,
Speaker 3: don't call him stupid. It's silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, silly's fat, Silly is beautiful. My friend's dad used
Speaker 2: to call me Sillyan like silly Lilian, and I love that.
Speaker 1: It was endearing.
Speaker 2: I don't even think he intended it to be just
Speaker 2: going to be like a bad influence friend, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, that's funny.
Speaker 2: Stupid feels targeted, stupid home of art. That feels like
Speaker 2: derogatory of the highest degree. Well, I said what I said,
Speaker 2: you did bucket lists? Let me just google what what
Speaker 2: is a bucket list? I feel like it's just like goals, goals,
Speaker 2: and drinks.
Speaker 3: I always think of a bucket list as something that
Speaker 3: people do when they're about to die. They're like sixty
Speaker 3: and they're like, oh okay, I still have a bit
Speaker 3: of rigor vigore.
Speaker 2: I think it's a bucket list. According to Google, this
Speaker 2: comes from Oxford Languages. It's a number of experiences or
Speaker 2: achievements that a person hopes to have or accomplished during
Speaker 2: their lifetime. That sounds chill. Why is it called a
Speaker 2: bucket list though? Oh, it comes from the frame before
Speaker 2: you kick the bucket, So just a list of things
Speaker 2: to do before you die.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad idea.
Speaker 2: I think people, If anything, I think more people should
Speaker 2: have a bucket list, because I feel like a lot
Speaker 2: of us forget that we're alive and that we have
Speaker 2: to live life, and that like, at one point we
Speaker 2: might not be alive anymore, and then we get no
Speaker 2: chance to live life. We don't take it as seriously
Speaker 2: as we could.
Speaker 3: We might not be alive. Babes, No, we will not
Speaker 3: be back. I hear it. Can you believe that this moment,
Speaker 3: right now, we're in the universe together and you're just
Speaker 3: into this.
Speaker 2: And then at one point we won't be in this
Speaker 2: universe together. I think I think the bucket list needs
Speaker 2: just definitely a bit of like twenty twenty three pr.
Speaker 2: It needs to be tiktokified for a second. We need
Speaker 2: to romanticize it. And I do think on a day
Speaker 2: to day people should be creating a bucket list. You know,
Speaker 2: the idea of like if you die tomorrow, what we
Speaker 2: do today. Everyone's like, oh my god, I go visit
Speaker 2: my own friend and I go do this and this
Speaker 2: and this. Not that extreme, but I think you should
Speaker 2: have goals and aspirations that improve the quality of your life.
Speaker 3: Definitely, I'm gonna go home and do one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder would be.
Speaker 3: On it tread wife, Literally it would be on a
Speaker 3: bucket list.
Speaker 2: I mean I definitely. When I think about about an
Speaker 2: imaginary scenario, I always say, oh, like if I was
Speaker 2: like gonna build an earthship in Panama, I always say
Speaker 2: that when I go to Panama. I don't know what
Speaker 2: I don't know what Panama looks like, but I've got
Speaker 2: to go to Panama and build an earth ship before
Speaker 2: I die.
Speaker 3: It needs to look into you.
Speaker 1: I'm like dropping here.
Speaker 2: Flex and Firms Flex and Frimess Cater never miss a beat,
Speaker 2: Flexiana speaking here. I'm an avid reader and my genre
Speaker 2: of choice is fantasy fiction and then the you know
Speaker 2: offshoots romance smart you know how it is literature, Hi Brown.
Speaker 2: What I want to say is that recently I've come
Speaker 2: out of a reading slum where I'm trying to claw
Speaker 2: my way out of one because I went from reading
Speaker 2: two to three books a week to none and I
Speaker 2: don't like what it's doing for me, my mental health
Speaker 2: or my vocabulary. I need to get back into it.
Speaker 2: So I'm reading this book at the moment, and I
Speaker 2: was trying to discern like why I was struggling with it,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, there's some kind
Speaker 2: of fantasy I can't read because I can't picture what
Speaker 2: they're describing. And I was like, and I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm a good reader. So it's not like I don't
Speaker 2: understand what's being said. It's not like I can't comprehend
Speaker 2: what I'm reading. I can read it, but my mind's eye,
Speaker 2: nothing's really coming up. And so because I was procrastinating
Speaker 2: from reading, because TikTok has ruined my intention spam, I
Speaker 2: went to the internet. My Instagram, and I said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I think I have this mild form of afantasia, which
Speaker 2: is this.
Speaker 1: What do you call it?
Speaker 2: It's not a disease, It's just an experience people have
Speaker 2: where they don't have any visual pictures in their brain.
Speaker 2: Obviously I see some stuff in my brain, but it's
Speaker 2: out of this insane conversation about people who see stuff
Speaker 2: in their head like they see a picture, a visual
Speaker 2: picture in their head when they think, and people who
Speaker 2: see nothing and the spectrum in between. So obviously there's
Speaker 2: way more to talk about. Don't want to bore you
Speaker 2: with half stories. On our podcast Flex and Rooms, You're
Speaker 2: gonna go deep into it because after about an hour
Speaker 2: of trying to articulate what I'm experiencing in my mind,
Speaker 2: I finally figured it out information. I like to think
Speaker 2: and daydream in dialogue, not visual. And this feels like
Speaker 2: a contradiction to people because I'm a very creative, like
Speaker 2: a visually creative person, and they don't understand what I'm.
Speaker 3: Same crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: Ever, Okay, to.
Speaker 2: Begin, I'm just gonna read you excerpt of this book
Speaker 2: and what even started this issue for me?
Speaker 1: We're let down.
Speaker 2: Narrow streets no more sophisticated and those we've wound our
Speaker 2: way through. On the northern banks of the river, there's
Speaker 2: the same patchwork of dwellings, seemilarly cobbled together from the
Speaker 2: scavenge junk, the ever present stables, and the stench of shit,
Speaker 2: both human and animal.
Speaker 1: Finally, we approach.
Speaker 2: A cluster of buildings rising above the mushrooming shanty old
Speaker 2: world in construction. Their grubby stone is weathered with age.
Speaker 2: They're pointing in need of repair, but the general impression
Speaker 2: is palatial compared to the slums over which they hold court.
Speaker 2: I see nothing, not one thing. Maybe there's a keyword.
Speaker 2: I see cobbled. I think of cobble stones, but I'm
Speaker 2: not thinking of the context of the cobble together scavenge junk.
Speaker 2: That's not what they're saying. I just don't see anything.
Speaker 2: And then I think, in some instances I could be like, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I can imagine cobblestones, I can imagine like
Speaker 2: palatial buildings, but I don't understand how they work in
Speaker 2: this context. It's just not seeing anything, and so I
Speaker 2: have to clarify. Obviously, I don't have affantasia. I can
Speaker 2: see stuff in my brain. But I think I can
Speaker 2: kind of imagine people I know well, Like if someone
Speaker 2: said to think of rooms, I would think of a
Speaker 2: picture i'd seen of you, or like a memory we
Speaker 2: had had in a vague way. And if I think
Speaker 2: about it too hard, your face is distorted. It's like fuzzy.
Speaker 2: I get like the vibe of you. But when I
Speaker 2: have to picture something new, I can only cobble together references. Right,
Speaker 2: So the example I gave is if you told me
Speaker 2: to think of Robert Pattinson in Woolwors, I get a
Speaker 2: little p andng Robert Pattinson and I put him in
Speaker 2: a Woolworths aisle and then I've seen it, right, But
Speaker 2: it's still like taking visual references.
Speaker 3: So whereas I'm imagining him like mosing through the aisles
Speaker 3: looking at the produce like it's a moving image and
Speaker 3: he's weaving his way around the store.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I guess like in my head,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, then I think of a scene from
Speaker 2: Twilight and then kind of like change the background, like
Speaker 2: that's crazy to Woolworths or whatever. So I was explaining
Speaker 2: that like when I'm reading in particular, more detail doesn't
Speaker 2: give me a more clear picture of anything. Less detailed
Speaker 2: is working much better because then I can kind of
Speaker 2: like pull from a reference, but it just gets so
Speaker 2: detail heaven, I'm like, I see nothing, not anything is
Speaker 2: coming up. And then if if I'm looking at a
Speaker 2: character or I'm trying to picture a character, I'll just
Speaker 2: pick a celebrity that I feel like is vaguely similar
Speaker 2: and I'll.
Speaker 1: Just picture them. That's because I want, I need the
Speaker 1: reference point.
Speaker 2: And I was saying, this is why I think I
Speaker 2: prefer to like read books that are dialogue heavy, because
Speaker 2: I can relate to an emotion or a story or
Speaker 2: like I, you know, I told her this and then
Speaker 2: she said this, because then I can just pick the feeling.
Speaker 2: But then when it's heaps of world building, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening here, what is going on?
Speaker 3: It's so weird. I feel like I don't read that
Speaker 3: many books that when I do, I can always visualize,
Speaker 3: Like I'm thinking of particular books. One thing I do
Speaker 3: is I can't remember the names. But there's this like book.
Speaker 3: Someone will know what it is, and it's based in
Speaker 3: Korea and it's just like family decades, like they escape
Speaker 3: the war and then they like, the sisters live in
Speaker 3: a village.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna know this one.
Speaker 3: And then the sisters separate and then one of the
Speaker 3: sisters kids dies And it also has.
Speaker 1: Don't give away the ending, No, no, I won't, won't.
Speaker 3: But it also has to do with Mama san like
Speaker 3: brothels is that the term? Yeah, I don't know anyway,
Speaker 3: someone know what it is. But I can still visualize
Speaker 3: these two women washing clothes in the lake. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: definitely still mix it with certain places, like I imagine
Speaker 3: them in North Bonda in some respects. Yeah, but near
Speaker 3: a vces, right up on the grassy and all. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's funny to me that I remember seeing your story.
Speaker 3: Someone was like, but how do you design the earrings? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get to that in the second.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was also thinking, like, for example, if
Speaker 2: I daydream, like I'm a big daydreamer, that's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite things to do, but I daydream in so
Speaker 2: I'm like, and then I said, and then they said,
Speaker 2: and then I said, and then they said, and I said,
Speaker 2: what if they said this?
Speaker 1: And then?
Speaker 2: Very rarely am I thinking of things. If I start
Speaker 2: to think about pictures, they're not clear and they disappear.
Speaker 2: So then someone said to me, how is this possible
Speaker 2: when you literally design things for a living, How do
Speaker 2: you do that without seeing what you are designing? How
Speaker 2: do you come up with the ideas? And I was like,
Speaker 2: I can see familiar things in my brain. I just
Speaker 2: struggled to conjurect visuals of the imaginary. If I don't have
Speaker 2: a reference point, and so I don't visually ideate in
Speaker 2: my brain. I verbally ideate, and then I visually mood
Speaker 2: board or I draw, or I pick a reference or
Speaker 2: I have to see it out. So I said to
Speaker 2: Freemi earlier, if I was going to imagine this room pink,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it in my brain. I'm doing it out.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to picture it using my eyes what it
Speaker 2: would be like pink. I'm not gonna look at it.
Speaker 1: In my head. You had to close my eyes and
Speaker 1: imagine pink. Pink isn't coming? Does my pink? Black and
Speaker 1: white and gray?
Speaker 2: FLEXI And then so then I was also saying that
Speaker 2: someone's like, Okay, what about when you read poetry. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I only read poetry about feelings, so I can just
Speaker 2: feel the feelings together.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And it's odd because now I understand. For example, like
Speaker 2: if you tell me a story, I'm like, can you
Speaker 2: show me him, show me them? Or like what does
Speaker 2: that look like? Because if I'm not going to get
Speaker 2: the picture of him or them or the thing, but
Speaker 2: I need to know what it looks like visually so
Speaker 2: I can connect the dots later on. Otherwise I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing here. And then somebody
Speaker 2: was like, okay, so how does it work with the jewelry?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I.
Speaker 2: Look at physical jewelry and I think when I look
Speaker 2: at myself, what would be cool on me? And then
Speaker 2: I collage in flesh. It's very odd because now I
Speaker 2: feel like this because you assume your brain works the
Speaker 2: way that other people's brains work, or you assume there's
Speaker 2: not that much of a disparity either.
Speaker 1: So now I'm.
Speaker 2: Thinking, you know, when people are saying, oh, picture this,
Speaker 2: I'm not picturing this.
Speaker 1: Is that what's going on? I'm reading this?
Speaker 2: And WHENI says, since I picture that family dancing in
Speaker 2: my head, That's why I'm like, your brain is so busy.
Speaker 3: The amount of people that message me saying, you know
Speaker 3: what I got someone dancing in my head too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I said, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because if I look at my brain or I think
Speaker 2: if I close my eyes, it's just like a black
Speaker 2: abyss and voices, all my voices.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 1: But just talking, talking talking talking talking talking, it's a lot.
Speaker 2: I feel like the more we talk about this, somebody
Speaker 2: will come at me like, I know exactly what you're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's like that when I was talking about everything moving
Speaker 3: and they're like, it's Alice in Wonderland effect, and I
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, Yeah, that's why my jaw feels massive.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you can't just tack that on to the end.
Speaker 1: Now the ones I get to get it, you're inflex
Speaker 1: and fronts. That's what my jaw is fucking huge.
Speaker 3: This is flex and frooms. I was texting a man's
Speaker 3: the other day. The details are scanned and they are
Speaker 3: not necessary. However, we were like texting back and forth.
Speaker 3: We just started texting, like texting straight away, stradeaways, straight
Speaker 3: aways in the afternoon, a text every ten minutes, you know,
Speaker 3: like okay, we had tempo, we had yeah.
Speaker 2: And giving unemployed at the same time. And I know
Speaker 2: you were at work when this was so a bit
Speaker 2: of detail.
Speaker 3: It was definitely after work and I was walking along
Speaker 3: Bondai Beach. Sorry I can say that because there's literally
Speaker 3: a million people here. I was walking along the beach
Speaker 3: and it looked amazing, like it looked like I was
Speaker 3: in Rio. There was so many people everywhere, it was
Speaker 3: so hot, and so I just went to send him
Speaker 3: a photo.
Speaker 1: I okay.
Speaker 2: I love when we start to integrate different media into
Speaker 2: a text thread. I want to see a voice message,
Speaker 2: a picky, a gift like an emojiy. I am obsessed,
Speaker 2: a video walking and talking video send obsessed.
Speaker 3: I mean my doing the front of first is a
Speaker 3: bit strong man.
Speaker 1: It's it's very lofty bold. I love it.
Speaker 3: I was was genuinely in that moment, like we were
Speaker 3: speaking earlier about how your time on earth is infinite. Sorry,
Speaker 3: your time on Earth is finite.
Speaker 2: Room please, Like when do you call that place like
Speaker 2: the Office of Births and Deaths in the city They
Speaker 2: start suing us.
Speaker 3: And I took this photo and I sent it because
Speaker 3: I was just overcome with this emotion of oh my god,
Speaker 3: life and He's like, oh, I bet you there's heaps
Speaker 3: of like Irish and English and Spanish people down there,
Speaker 3: because given it's Bondai Beach, it's a really big tourist hub.
Speaker 1: I'm scared, say two thirds of my community.
Speaker 3: So I said, yeah, there's so many people here you
Speaker 3: couldn't You couldn't throw a stick without hitting anyone, Okay?
Speaker 3: And then I was like, is that this sounds kind
Speaker 3: of like violent? Wait, I'm going to just google to
Speaker 3: see what the expression actually is. Great, tell me why
Speaker 3: I googled.
Speaker 1: You couldn't throw a stick without hitting on it?
Speaker 3: I think it's like, hmm, more than I could throw
Speaker 3: a stick without hitting. The expression, much to my demise,
Speaker 3: is more X into the things, more X than you
Speaker 3: can shake a stick at. And so that I am
Speaker 3: nothing to me more what do you use it in
Speaker 3: a sentence? There's so much flex mummy in this room.
Speaker 3: There's more flex mummy than I could shake a stick at.
Speaker 1: That the first thing makes way more sense to the
Speaker 1: second one. I like, so what does it mean?
Speaker 3: Oh, it just means there's people everywhere, Like you couldn't
Speaker 3: throw a stone without hitting one of them. That's better everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So just in this moment they heat of the moment
Speaker 3: of an exciting text exchange a beautiful day.
Speaker 2: You didn't what do you think you didn't read it
Speaker 2: and check it twice.
Speaker 3: So my tip is and I've seen this happen on
Speaker 3: body correct Nah, of course, not because it sounded.
Speaker 1: Fine, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: I have seen this play out when I've been texted
Speaker 3: as well, like go a bit easy on the wordplay
Speaker 3: and like the expression.
Speaker 1: Because do you want any poetics so bad? I want
Speaker 1: to know that you got what. And it's not a
Speaker 1: time bait.
Speaker 2: It's really not because when you have to correct your
Speaker 2: little asterisk, you're like, oh no, sorry, but and you're like,
Speaker 2: and you gotta do like thirteen minutes later because you're
Speaker 2: checking the threat to see what to say.
Speaker 3: Yuck. Yeah, just go with it. I just went with it,
Speaker 3: and I thought, let's just pretend that I made it
Speaker 3: my own and I can never think of it again.
Speaker 1: My chest is tired.
Speaker 3: I just have deleted the whole thread.
Speaker 1: You've got to block him now, it's not personal. You've
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