Speaker 1: Laura and come on in.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Everyone.
Speaker 1: My Hi, Okay, we need to set some ground rules
Speaker 1: where we're in this studio. I'm looking at you, Mitch
Speaker 1: Cherry and these little iPad things that you're throwing around
Speaker 1: at us.
Speaker 3: Mitch walked in here with you know, those like silicon
Speaker 3: iPads that you get used for under eyebags when you
Speaker 3: face Juveniles's skin care.
Speaker 2: You put them ner your eyes. They get rid of
Speaker 2: the dark.
Speaker 1: Circle cucumber ones that you put in the fridge. You
Speaker 1: take out there cold, you slap them on underneath your eyes.
Speaker 1: You have just flung them in our face and you
Speaker 1: had food stuck under the one that hit Laura burn.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, it's one thing to wear them into the studio,
Speaker 3: it's another thing to throw them at people. And also,
Speaker 3: why are you're keeping your chili flakes inside your eyes?
Speaker 2: A bit of a garlos, It was a bit of
Speaker 2: chicken crumb under these. Sorry, I'm just trying to look
Speaker 2: my best. I work with two of the most gorgeous
Speaker 2: girls in the business.
Speaker 1: How does one get food caught under their eye mask? Though?
Speaker 2: Saving it for later, I've got a sultan under there.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: It's a very very big show. We're talking smacking next.
Speaker 3: Oh we are look, I mean controversial. Can you smack
Speaker 3: your kids? And if you do smack your kids or
Speaker 3: what sort of damage are you causing them?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we also need to settle an in house argument
Speaker 1: that we've been having between the three of us on
Speaker 1: things that you can and can't.
Speaker 3: Do in front of your partner and Brett you're wrong,
Speaker 3: just to get it out there before we.
Speaker 2: Have that discussion.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever been wrong in my life.
Speaker 1: Yeah on this one, said every woman ever.
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Speaker 3: I don't know many parents who smack their kids these
Speaker 3: days when they're misbehaving, but I do think back in
Speaker 3: my day, I do think a lot of us got smacked.
Speaker 5: Did you get smacked?
Speaker 2: Mitch? Yeah, yeah, I definitely got smacked. I'm a gen
Speaker 2: z and I got smacked.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty standard really back in the day.
Speaker 1: I never only really got smacked in the you know,
Speaker 1: when you're mucking up in the back of the car
Speaker 1: on like a long road trip and your parents to
Speaker 1: reach behind to get you on the calf muscle like behave.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, But.
Speaker 5: Like I didn't get smack.
Speaker 2: Smacked only on special occasions. Was I smacked?
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you were really really misbehaving.
Speaker 3: I mean we were the same that you had to
Speaker 3: have done something pretty wrong, like you knew you were
Speaker 3: going to get smacked. If you got smacked in our household,
Speaker 3: you'd do something. You'd be like, oh, better go, that
Speaker 3: one's in trouble.
Speaker 2: Oh god, dad, welts on my bat. I got the
Speaker 2: wooden spoon as well, did you? Yeah, yep, I did well.
Speaker 3: There has been some research that's come out recently that
Speaker 3: is to say that smacking children at an early age
Speaker 3: it gives them more increased risk of anxiety and depression
Speaker 3: later on. Now we have doctor Daryl Higgins on the phone,
Speaker 3: who has actually undertaken this study, Professor doctor Darryl Higgins. Great,
Speaker 3: so tell me a little bit about this research studies.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's probably a few parents in the
Speaker 3: car who were like, oh, last night, my kids sometimes
Speaker 3: when they're really naughty.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Look, there's actually two pieces of work that have
Speaker 6: been underway. So one of them is a review of
Speaker 6: literature that colleagues of mine, who are experts in parenting
Speaker 6: and are part of an organization called the Parenting and
Speaker 6: Family Research Alliance, pulled together the international evidence around whether
Speaker 6: or not we have a case for making legislative reform
Speaker 6: in Australia to ban corporal punishment. We looked at the
Speaker 6: childhood experiences of a representative sample of Australian adults, and
Speaker 6: the key piece of data was from the young adults
Speaker 6: in that study, three and a half thousand sixteen to
Speaker 6: twenty four year olds who told us about their experiences
Speaker 6: not only of child moil treatment, but answered questions separately
Speaker 6: around their experience of corporal punishment.
Speaker 1: Have you actually found a direct correlation that these kids
Speaker 1: day between sixteen and twenty four I shouldn't say kids,
Speaker 1: but young adults. How do you know that there is
Speaker 1: a direct correlation between their anxiety that they're experiencing now
Speaker 1: and being smacked as a child. Because I feel like,
Speaker 1: especially when you said the last year that we live in.
Speaker 1: I mean, the world has endured COVID, We've got so
Speaker 1: much social media pressure. How do we know that these
Speaker 1: aren't the things that are contributing to anxiety and as
Speaker 1: directly related to smacking as a child.
Speaker 6: Because we had such a large study with three and
Speaker 6: a half thousand young adults, we had a big group
Speaker 6: of them who didn't experience corporal punishment four or more times,
Speaker 6: and then in another group that did. And what we
Speaker 6: did was compare those two groups and say do they
Speaker 6: have similar rates of mental ill health? And what we
Speaker 6: found was no, they don't.
Speaker 3: Interesting, but surely there's a very big spectrum, I mean
Speaker 3: in terms of being smacked verse, you know, kids who
Speaker 3: are experiencing horrible childhoods. I was smacked a as a kid.
Speaker 3: I don't smack my kids, but I don't think that
Speaker 3: it's impacted me as an adult. I don't even think
Speaker 3: about the fact that I was smacked as a kid.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, and absolutely there's very ability. And so
Speaker 6: we're not saying that every instance of corporal punishment inevitably
Speaker 6: leads to mental illness in adults. So there will be
Speaker 6: plenty of people who have experienced corporal punishment who don't
Speaker 6: go on to experience mental illness on average. That's the link.
Speaker 6: It doubles the risk, and that's a pretty strong correlation,
Speaker 6: and certainly one that's from a population perspective. If we
Speaker 6: want one strategy that we could do to reduce the
Speaker 6: likelihood that adults will be experiencing mental illness, we can
Speaker 6: change the childhood experiences of future generations to reduce that risk.
Speaker 2: Well, the three of us also will all smack, but
Speaker 2: we also have quite a privileged life. We do have
Speaker 2: a privileged lives and we're a privileged upbringing. People who
Speaker 2: aren't in a similar situation to us, who it would
Speaker 2: have affected a different light, right, I mean, we were
Speaker 2: all in loving homes as well as being smack.
Speaker 1: You're trying to say that there are a lot of
Speaker 1: other external factors that play hard.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it means.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, how should parents DISCIPPLA and their child.
Speaker 6: That's a great question, and there are evidence based off
Speaker 6: and it's just smacking some of the issues that we
Speaker 6: talk about, things like giving clear and consistent lids about
Speaker 6: what you expect. Secondly, and this is one of the
Speaker 6: most challenging is managing your own emotions. As a parent,
Speaker 6: it's really easy to get caught up, and of course
Speaker 6: when we love our temper, it becomes contagious, which really
Speaker 6: amounts to being a good role model for your child.
Speaker 6: When it comes to managing situations, well, it's really important
Speaker 6: to support children in making amend, so looking at the
Speaker 6: natural consequences of their behaviors and where possible, if they've
Speaker 6: hurt somebody else or offended somebody else by their behavior,
Speaker 6: teaching them how to be able to resolve that and
Speaker 6: repair that relationship.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much for coming on having a chat.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, if you're out there and you're smacking
Speaker 3: your kids, there might be a better way of going about.
Speaker 2: It, totally. I don't think spacking is the way, especially
Speaker 2: in this day.
Speaker 1: For the cake better only we've been having to be
Speaker 1: of an argument here at the pickup about things you
Speaker 1: should and shouldn't do in front of your partner, and
Speaker 1: we all strongly disagree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do. We'll have that discussion next you're at
Speaker 2: the pickup. It's the pick up Tuesday, are though, it's Britt,
Speaker 2: it's Laura, it's Mitch, and listen, you can headed to
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Speaker 2: an argument in the studio because listen, Laura and I
Speaker 2: and I'm not afraid to say it, are free range farters.
Speaker 1: This has come up a few times, this fighting conversation.
Speaker 1: It's not the first time it's happened. You both think
Speaker 1: it is wildly okay to let one rip in front
Speaker 1: of your loved ones, and.
Speaker 5: I totally fine, of course it is.
Speaker 1: If that ever happens to me, I'm very ill and
Speaker 1: it's popped out on its own, or or I'm possibly dying.
Speaker 3: When you're asleep sometimes sometimes when a little wiz pop
Speaker 3: will fall out and sep.
Speaker 2: It's a free for all. So Britt, why what are
Speaker 2: you against? You against the actual embarrassment of it, the
Speaker 2: fart of it all? Like what scares you about it?
Speaker 1: If you've got far on your partner, you aretly loading
Speaker 1: up a gun and shooting Pooh particles on them. That's
Speaker 1: what it is, a beinging them with Pooh particles. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been with my partner Ben own pretty new, only
Speaker 1: like seven months, and we are long distance, so he
Speaker 1: can't see it down the phone, which is great, but
Speaker 1: I will not find in front of him and he
Speaker 1: will not do it in front of a out of respect.
Speaker 5: But what if Ben did just that.
Speaker 3: You don't want to, but you don't control his body autonomy.
Speaker 3: What if he decided that he'd had enough and he
Speaker 3: needed to let them run free in the world.
Speaker 1: I have told him that there's all different parts of
Speaker 1: a relationship, right that turn a partner off. Everyone has
Speaker 1: an ick, and it's fine. I know there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people out there that think fluffing's cute. That's great,
Speaker 1: but I personally don't. It is a turn off for me.
Speaker 1: So if I've told my partner that and they choose
Speaker 1: to ignore that, that's on them. If I get turned
Speaker 1: off at the end of the day, like that's just
Speaker 1: my little personal ick. Everyone doesn't have to be on
Speaker 1: board with it. Am I going to break up with
Speaker 1: them if they accidentally drop a bomb?
Speaker 2: Knoll?
Speaker 3: For what if he continued to deliberately do it against
Speaker 3: your You're saying that you would become unattracted to him
Speaker 3: and then maybe not want to be with him anymore.
Speaker 1: I would worry that that would be the case.
Speaker 5: Yeahs so extreme?
Speaker 1: Also, did I mention the parts?
Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones. Let's see what the opinion
Speaker 2: of Australia is high staff. To fart or not to fart?
Speaker 2: That is a question.
Speaker 4: Absolutely not yes day Kay?
Speaker 5: Sorry? How long have you been in a relationship.
Speaker 4: For I'm not currently in a relationship, but my longest
Speaker 4: relationship has been about four years.
Speaker 3: So you've spent four years of no farting. God, you
Speaker 3: must have had some stomach cramps.
Speaker 4: I just don't feel the need and if I did,
Speaker 4: then I would go to the bathroom. I just that
Speaker 4: is a line I will never cross.
Speaker 2: Okay. So you're lying in bed with your beautiful partner
Speaker 2: and you feel it. It travels from your tummy down the
Speaker 2: small intestine into the butt cavity. What do you do?
Speaker 2: You suck it back up? Like that's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: You get up and what you to.
Speaker 2: Walk in pantry? Fat step?
Speaker 1: You don't have to go and do it on the
Speaker 1: food mits. Why are we in the pantry steph? What
Speaker 1: would you do if you're in bed? You need to
Speaker 1: whiz pop.
Speaker 2: If there?
Speaker 4: If they were asleep, I would I probably would. If
Speaker 4: they were awake, I would go to the bathroom.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: So what I'm understanding is that is that you guys
Speaker 3: have no issue with your partner actually breathing in the smell.
Speaker 3: You just don't want them to hear the sound. That's
Speaker 3: what it is. If you'll do it when they're asleep,
Speaker 3: then you're like whatever, min.
Speaker 1: I don't really smell. I'm mind not like super cute.
Speaker 2: And oh I have been in a room when you fared.
Speaker 2: I went home, but I was out in the car talking.
Speaker 5: Oh you heard me.
Speaker 3: I have actually bridged it in front of me on
Speaker 3: purpose and it was not as far.
Speaker 2: Hi, Toby, to fart or not to fart? Tobes And
Speaker 2: let me tell you, are you in the happiest relationship
Speaker 2: you've ever been in? Toby? Of course he is, because
Speaker 2: he farts.
Speaker 5: I can hear crows in the back. Here's the aussiest
Speaker 5: guy that's ever.
Speaker 2: Been on the show. I know absolutely with crows. I
Speaker 2: don't call this will make or break it? Kylie. To
Speaker 2: fart or not to fart in front of your partner?
Speaker 2: What be the question?
Speaker 7: Well, for me, yes, but my mom she has spent
Speaker 7: thirty years of my dad and never has in front
Speaker 7: of him at all.
Speaker 1: My parents my parents have been married for forty six
Speaker 1: years and neither of them have ever intentionally let one
Speaker 1: go in front of each other, and I applaud that.
Speaker 7: Either my dad does he is a little good time,
Speaker 7: and then my mom doesn't.
Speaker 1: And does your mom not think it's gross?
Speaker 5: She always like.
Speaker 7: Ew yeah, she tells him off. Yeah, and he still
Speaker 7: believes that she can't. He physically can't do it.
Speaker 5: I think it's an imbalance of power in that relationship.
Speaker 1: In my relationship, Ben respects. I'm sure he wants to
Speaker 1: let them rip, but he respects that I don't like it,
Speaker 1: and he will always leave the room and I know
Speaker 1: he's going to do it because he's like ducks out
Speaker 1: for no reason.
Speaker 5: I was like, did you just come and let one?
Speaker 3: And he's like, yeah, had to, couldn't your poor partners
Speaker 3: stomach pain.
Speaker 2: Ben wants to do it in front of you. He's
Speaker 2: just terrified. Sorry, that's the truth.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: It's called respect, all right.
Speaker 2: Next on the show, Romances are on the Rise for
Speaker 2: a very good reason. All about that. Next at the
Speaker 2: Pickups Mallulaa, It's the pickup Tuesday afternoon, Britt, Laura and
Speaker 2: Mitch Hey Right now get half prized big brand vitamins
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Speaker 2: we all have a man in our life that loves
Speaker 2: a bromance, Right, a bromance? You know what a bromance is?
Speaker 4: What do you mean?
Speaker 5: Dumb it down for us?
Speaker 2: A romances two men who are a bit more than friends,
Speaker 2: but it's completely platonic. They talk to each other, they
Speaker 2: open up, they share love, they can gossip and which
Speaker 2: stereotypically this is true. I don't think it's right men
Speaker 2: struggle to open up about their emotions. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: the old stereotype that you know, women are great gay
Speaker 2: men are great at talking about their emotions and talking
Speaker 2: to friends as support networks, but men often bottle it
Speaker 2: all up inside, which is on a serious note, contributes
Speaker 2: to why there are such high rates in men's mental
Speaker 2: health being really bad.
Speaker 3: Well, I think for me, Matt, my husband, he's just
Speaker 3: gotten into a brand new bromance and now I barely
Speaker 3: ever see him with his new best friend all the time.
Speaker 3: Ashwicks still haven't met the guy. Don't know what, I
Speaker 3: don't know what they talk about.
Speaker 5: It sure he exists, Yeah, No, I do know what
Speaker 5: they talk about.
Speaker 3: They talk about how Ash god a phasectomy and he's
Speaker 3: like encouraged Matt to maybe get one.
Speaker 2: As well, Laura don this is a good thing. Your
Speaker 2: Maddie needs to about these things with men. It's good.
Speaker 5: I might want those swimmers in a couple of years time.
Speaker 5: We can put it in a jar.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I think like getting for sectomies as a bromance, he's
Speaker 1: taking the bromance to the next level, like most people
Speaker 1: go for a beer, not like hey, bro, let's get
Speaker 1: the snip Yeah Snip Club.
Speaker 2: University of Sydney in Australia reporting that changing cultural norms
Speaker 2: are leading to a rise in the bromance.
Speaker 5: Well, I think we're seeing way more of this.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if any of you have
Speaker 3: heard of the I'm sure so many of you have
Speaker 3: the podcast from Huban Carleenberg The Imperfect. So much of
Speaker 3: that is around having they're often on Will and Woody,
Speaker 3: So much of their podcast is around conversations between men
Speaker 3: opening up, having these friendships and for it being a
Speaker 3: space where it's okay for men to have vulnerable conversations
Speaker 3: in the same way that women do without it being
Speaker 3: looked at as being weird or effeminate or any of
Speaker 3: those things.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yes, I have a lot of straight
Speaker 2: men in my life right being a gay man that
Speaker 2: I can tell, and I know it happens at parties
Speaker 2: all the time. I'll be a five pit at a
Speaker 2: party and these straight men will come up to me
Speaker 2: and over the course of the night and we will
Speaker 2: have really deep chats. And I said to my sister,
Speaker 2: I was one of her parties recently and a lot
Speaker 2: of her male friends would come up to me, and
Speaker 2: I'd be like, did you know that you know Stephen
Speaker 2: was a drag queen for one night in Thailand? Did
Speaker 2: you know she had no idea? Like, I think they
Speaker 2: just feel it's a safe space to talk to someone
Speaker 2: like me who is open to having these conversations. And
Speaker 2: I think it needs to be opened up more romances
Speaker 2: in normal male relationships up and more. I love it.
Speaker 1: You know what I think is really helping us see
Speaker 1: those rising men talking more openly and vulnerably to each other,
Speaker 1: is like I don't know if you guys have seen
Speaker 1: these documentaries lately, but Lewis Capaldi and Ed Shearon have
Speaker 1: both put things out documentaries out where they have been
Speaker 1: so vulnerable with their mental health, with how they're struggling,
Speaker 1: and Sharon recently came out and said by no means
Speaker 1: do I want to be the postboy for this, but
Speaker 1: I have bulimia.
Speaker 5: For a lot of time. I have struggle from bolimia
Speaker 5: because I.
Speaker 1: Didn't feel good enough when I saw other male performers,
Speaker 1: because all these huge male performers who were like getting
Speaker 1: their shirts off and ripped.
Speaker 5: And I think that that.
Speaker 1: I mean, these these docos are going number one on Netflix,
Speaker 1: so the world is watching them, and I think it's
Speaker 1: when when you look at these people for inspiration and
Speaker 1: then you're like, wow, they go through this too, and
Speaker 1: they can talk about it. It just opens up a
Speaker 1: whole new world for people.
Speaker 3: I also think, like vulnerability in men, it's so underrated.
Speaker 1: Women bloody love it is vulnerable.
Speaker 5: You're like, oh yeah, I'll give me a little bit
Speaker 5: more of that.
Speaker 3: But like, I think men think that it's a weakness,
Speaker 3: but really it's the best way of getting closer to
Speaker 3: your partner.
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't tell everyone that all these single men
Speaker 1: out there, or start.
Speaker 2: All right, that's us done, let's get out of here,
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