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Speaker 1: Well, this week AI, we are delving into the good,

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Speaker 1: the bad, and the and the scary. Alex Jenkins is

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Speaker 1: the director of the WA Data Science Innovation Hub and

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Speaker 1: an AI specialist, and has kindly come into the studio

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Speaker 1: today to help us out.

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Speaker 2: Hello, thank you so much for having So.

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Speaker 1: We are going to talk about how AI shows up

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Speaker 1: in everyday life and how we're probably doing it without

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Speaker 1: even knowing it exactly.

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Speaker 3: We may be against it, but we're still using it.

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Speaker 2: Do you know my first or not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How come it knows? How come my phone knows when

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Speaker 1: I'm at Bunnings and things like that, all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden I get a whole bunch of ads and things.

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Speaker 2: So that isn't even AI.

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Speaker 4: That's not even a phone has a GPS inside it,

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Speaker 4: the same thing that helps you get to work every morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and Google conveniently know as soon as you get to Bunnings,

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Speaker 4: and Bunnings will happily pay Google a lot of money

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Speaker 4: to suggest the things that you should buy or rate

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Speaker 4: Bunnings out of five stars.

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Speaker 5: See there you go. We're all, well, OK, so it's

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Speaker 5: technically not AI.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know not to take my phone with me

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Speaker 1: if I'm jumping a body.

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Speaker 2: I'm not that stupid, but not making that mistake again?

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Speaker 3: Are we?

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Speaker 2: I just got out from the last time?

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Speaker 1: All right, Alex, What are some of the everyday examples

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Speaker 1: of AI that we might already be using without even

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Speaker 1: realizing it.

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Speaker 4: Look, AI is already everywhere. Some of the simple use cases.

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Speaker 4: Every time you turn on Netflix, you are using AI

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Speaker 4: to be selecting a show or recommended a show.

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Speaker 3: So this is like the algorithms.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, these are the algorithms that work in the background

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Speaker 4: to try and understand your tastes a person. Right, So,

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Speaker 4: but it gets a bit more nefarious than that. So

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Speaker 4: every time you open TikTok or Instagram, and TikTok in

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Speaker 4: particular will learn your behavior and the kind of content

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Speaker 4: that you were interested in. And it is like a casino.

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Speaker 4: It's like a one of these poker machines. You get

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Speaker 4: a little dopamine burst every time you see something you like,

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Speaker 4: and they will learn your preferences very very quickly. Right

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Speaker 4: down to then things like the banks. You know, we'll

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Speaker 4: use artificial intelligence to detect whether there's fortunate behavior in

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Speaker 4: your bank accounts.

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Speaker 2: They will use AI to help decide whether they're going.

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Speaker 4: To give you a home loan or not. There are

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Speaker 4: all kinds of use cases. It is everywhere. Every time

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Speaker 4: you say hey, Google, I don't want.

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Speaker 2: To say it too well because wake up, wake up.

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Speaker 4: Every single person's phone, a car. You are talking with

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Speaker 4: the basic AI.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, okay, So there are good parts to it,

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Speaker 5: like you said it, with the bank security and and

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Speaker 5: and it can tell whether something is off the security.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, and I guess.

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Speaker 5: They've got to do it because the bad guys are

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Speaker 5: using AI now, so good guys have got to use AI.

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Speaker 5: So there's no escaping it.

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Speaker 2: Really, there's no escape in it.

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Speaker 4: It is an arms race between the good guys and

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Speaker 4: the bad guys. I'd like to give you two scenarios

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Speaker 4: about where the future of all of this is going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, please, let's choose our world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, you know, a fantastic future that we could

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Speaker 4: all have is an AI assistant that's on our phone

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Speaker 4: or on our watch and that we can say, you know,

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Speaker 4: book me dinner at a restaurant somewhere in West Perth

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Speaker 4: and arrange your time with my friend, and it just

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Speaker 4: goes away and does it.

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Speaker 2: It's like a personal arrange.

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Speaker 4: It a appointment for the doctor with me and it'll

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Speaker 4: go up and bring up the doctor for you and

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Speaker 4: do all of these things, and you can ask it

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Speaker 4: questions and it will give you the answers, can give

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Speaker 4: you advice, and really actors. There's a lot of people

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Speaker 4: who use AI as like a personal coach for work

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Speaker 4: or a business coach, and it's quite good at those things.

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Speaker 4: So the other thing that AI is amazing at is

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Speaker 4: education in terms of teaching.

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Speaker 2: You stuff when you used correctly.

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Speaker 4: Schools are having a super hard time because kids go

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Speaker 4: home and just use chat to BT to right an essay.

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Speaker 4: But if you use it properly, and you can set

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Speaker 4: up these tools so that they don't just give kids

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Speaker 4: the answers, then it's very very good for education.

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Speaker 1: Because I do fear for creativity and we were just

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Speaker 1: talking about how a song was just released completely AI.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a country song.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't all the well for actual musicians and creative

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Speaker 1: people and just using your brain.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me give you the bad side of where

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Speaker 2: this could all go.

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Speaker 4: Yes, an AI assistant on your phone that learns exactly

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Speaker 4: what you like and tries to keep you engaged as

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Speaker 4: long as possible. So you think about something like TikTok,

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Speaker 4: but on steroids, and an AI assistant that becomes so

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Speaker 4: that you're right and that you're fantastic, and it just becomes,

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Speaker 4: you know, almost.

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Speaker 2: Like a an AI sick.

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Speaker 4: A fan that would be able to manipulate you and

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Speaker 4: know your behavior. And this kind of thing could get

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Speaker 4: really dangerous because already there are services. There's one called Replica,

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Speaker 4: there's one called Character AI where people have romantic relationships. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I know, I know that it's getting very popular and

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Speaker 4: it's not just about having a chat with this AI,

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Speaker 4: you know what some of them do them Yeah, well,

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Speaker 4: well that as well, but I won't get into that.

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Speaker 4: At eight o'clock one of them, one of them would

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Speaker 4: happily bring you up in the middle of the day

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Speaker 4: and say, hey, honey, how are you going, how's your god?

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Speaker 4: You know, as a husband, I feel quite inadequate.

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Speaker 5: Here's a question, because you know, they're talking about a

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Speaker 5: lot of AI replacing jobs, and especially this is the

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Speaker 5: big fear, especially with white collar jobs, got trading jobs.

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Speaker 5: You know, AI is still quite a way of being

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Speaker 5: able to do those, like you know, the robot stuff.

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Speaker 5: But a lot of white collar jobs.

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Speaker 3: That's a that's a very very that's going to change

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Speaker 3: the world. It's going to change economies.

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Speaker 2: It will, Yes, it will.

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Speaker 5: Where's the tax dollar going to come from if no

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Speaker 5: one's working well?

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Speaker 2: I don't believe.

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Speaker 4: I don't buy the line that we are all going

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Speaker 4: to sit on the beach and the government's going to

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Speaker 4: have to pay us some jacked up version of.

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Speaker 2: I think what the.

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Speaker 4: Most likely scenario is some jobs will be displaced.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 4: The days of the call center are almost over. But

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Speaker 4: there are lots of industries where AI is not going

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Speaker 4: to make a lick of difference. We have this crisis

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Speaker 4: in Australia the moment. We don't have enough houses, we

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Speaker 4: can't build enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't do that.

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Speaker 2: AI is not going to do that.

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Speaker 4: I think that I would encourage listeners out there who

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Speaker 4: are worried about AI and their job to learn more

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Speaker 4: about AI because the classic line is, and I really

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Speaker 4: believe this, is that your job is not going to

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Speaker 4: be replaced necessarily by AI, but you might be replaced

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Speaker 4: by someone who can use AI to be more productive.

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Speaker 2: So being prepared, so just get in there and have

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Speaker 2: a go.

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Speaker 1: The same thing to me, all right, we're going to

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Speaker 1: have to let you go.

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Speaker 5: We hope your job is safe as an AI specialist,

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Speaker 5: well for at least another five minutes, I think, until

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Speaker 5: AI said now I can do that myself.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Alex, you maybe feel a little bit better.

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Speaker 3: You so much, A brave new world