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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for the.

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Speaker 2: Time poor parent who just wants answers Now.

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Speaker 1: Hello, this is doctor Justin Colson, the founder of Happy

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Speaker 1: Families dot com, dot you, dad to six daughters and

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Speaker 1: the author of What Is It Now? My eighth book

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Speaker 1: is coming out in just a couple of months time,

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Speaker 1: The Parenting Revolution. Can't wait to talk to you about that.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Keller is one of Australia's most loved media personalities.

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Speaker 1: You can hear her if you live in Sydney on

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Speaker 1: WSFM with Jonesy and Amanda in the mornings. She's been

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Speaker 1: all over the TV for years and years and years.

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Speaker 1: And Amanda joined me for a Lightning Round just a

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Speaker 1: little while ago. I wanted to share with you the

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Speaker 1: things that we talked about today. Here we are with

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Speaker 1: Amtda Keller in a Lightning Round replay. Amada, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining me on the Happy Families Lightning Round.

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Speaker 2: Thrilled to be here.

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Speaker 1: Tell us how many kids you have in how old

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Speaker 1: they are? Amanda, I have.

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Speaker 2: Two sons, Liam is twenty one and Jack is nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Now a well publicized story that you had these kids

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Speaker 1: through IVF and it was a very very long process

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Speaker 1: for you. Do you have a favorite child.

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Speaker 3: I don't have a favorite child, and if I did,

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Speaker 3: it probably would wax and weigh in and change from

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Speaker 3: day to day. Liam is very much like my husband.

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Speaker 3: He's I think, quite linear, clear thinking, droll and dry

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Speaker 3: in his humor. Jack is probably more like me and

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Speaker 3: up and down and hilarious, and so I kind of

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Speaker 3: give in to him.

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Speaker 2: Liam is wanting of nothing. Jack is wanting of everything.

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Speaker 3: And I remember growing up and never getting what I wanted,

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Speaker 3: so often I'll give in to Jack.

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Speaker 1: I love your insight that he's like you because you're hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I love that you own that. That's great. Who do

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Speaker 1: you love the most?

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Speaker 2: I didn't even think I said that that's terrible.

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Speaker 1: I picked it up. You love the most your partner,

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Speaker 1: Harley or your kids?

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Speaker 2: Different kinds of love. Probably if a train was coming

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Speaker 2: at us, I'd grab the kids.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell Harley, I I love it all right now.

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Speaker 1: This is obviously a tougher question because of your fertility journey.

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Speaker 1: Ideal number of kids though, I think two.

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Speaker 2: I think three means a bigger car. I think two,

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Speaker 2: and you know, harder holidays, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 2: I think too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, two is convenient, that's for sure. How do

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Speaker 1: you rate yourself as a parent, Amanda, give yourself a

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Speaker 1: score out of ten.

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Speaker 2: Overall, I'd say I'd be a seven.

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Speaker 1: What's something great that your parents did that you've tried

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Speaker 1: to continue in your parenting.

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Speaker 3: My mother and I used to laugh at it, and

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Speaker 3: I used to sort of sneer at it. Mum always

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Speaker 3: would say, get your piece of paper in the world's

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Speaker 3: your oyster, because she missed out on a university education

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Speaker 3: and so academic things mattered a lot to her. I

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Speaker 3: was pushed to study hard at Carlingford High School, my

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Speaker 3: local public high school, and I did study hard. And

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Speaker 3: I think I've in a way pushed my children. If

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Speaker 3: I had a child that wasn't reading, or a child

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Speaker 3: So I think I've taken my mum's love of apostrophes

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Speaker 3: subconsciously or maybe consciously instilled that in them.

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Speaker 1: Got a fun question for you, Who's the better parent?

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Speaker 1: You are?

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Speaker 3: Harley High and I tag team with our parenting. I

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Speaker 3: was thinking the other day, I was asking him something

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Speaker 2: Doing this or this?

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Speaker 3: I thought, how hard it is for single parents who

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Speaker 3: don't have anyone to bounce that stuff off. That's really

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Speaker 3: that would be very hard because I can't tell whether

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Speaker 3: I'm being too hard or too indulgent or whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: I have no gauge on that. So he's much more

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Speaker 2: So between the two of us and we make a

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Speaker 1: I love your empathy, and I also love the way

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Speaker 1: you completely avoided deciding who was better out of you

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Speaker 1: and Harley. A ha ha me, Okay, what's the hardest thing,

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Speaker 1: Amanda Kella about being a parent?

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Speaker 2: I found teaching them to drive one of the hardest things. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Yes that was terrible, and Harley didn't want to do it,

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Speaker 3: being a passenger, and now I'm even in an uber,

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Speaker 2: The curb is. I found that bit really hard.

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Speaker 3: And there's a guy that a whole of my friends

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Speaker 3: idea of being in a car with my sons and driving,

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Speaker 3: but when they're learning to drive, it's not that it's

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Speaker 2: I made them stressed. It was terrible. I think I

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Speaker 1: I'm a parenting expert. I'm not supposed to get mad

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Speaker 1: at my kids. I'm supposed to know how to do

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Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. But as I've taught my

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Speaker 1: kids to drive, I've found that my capacity to be

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Speaker 1: patient and kind when my life is in danger every

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Speaker 1: fourteen seconds is almost zero. And I've found things coming

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Speaker 1: out of my mouth that I just don't I don't

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Speaker 1: all to my children, and sure enough I was doing it.

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Speaker 1: I love your answer on that question. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I think I called out, oh, you're freaking idiot in

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Speaker 3: my own child.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't someone out the window. It was the beginning

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Speaker 1: side the car. Amanda now that your kids are of age.

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Speaker 1: If you could spend an hour with your children at

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Speaker 1: any age, what age would you choose?

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Speaker 2: And why is it just an hour?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? Yes, but we've had other people

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Speaker 3: I think only because I'm in the hormonal drop zone

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Speaker 3: of my children leaving home.

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Speaker 3: I have mixed emotions when I see little toddlers at

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Speaker 2: Their little baby voices and they sit on your lap.

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Speaker 2: I miss that. I just miss it.

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Speaker 3: I think probably one day of that would be great.

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Speaker 3: And then one day maybe at ten and eight, where

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Speaker 3: they're funny and it's easy, and you go, oh.

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Speaker 2: We're in the drop zone. I think ten and eight

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Speaker 3: But we just recently went to Hamilton Island for a

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Speaker 3: they're at an age now where they can be seen

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Speaker 3: as adults. That was a wonderful thing. And I like

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Speaker 3: us all sitting down around a table. Now, I'll do anything.

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Speaker 2: I'll book a holiday to get us away where they

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Speaker 2: know no one else and the four of us have

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Speaker 2: to sit and have breakfast, lunch, and dinner together. Is

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Speaker 3: So a snippet of them being babies, a snippet of

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Speaker 3: of now, and if that could make up one day,

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Speaker 3: that would be my dream.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's certainly cheating, but I love your answer. What's

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Speaker 1: the ultimate joy for you as a parent?

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Speaker 3: For many years, I didn't think anyone would call me mum?

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Speaker 3: And I still think that, even though they're nineteen and

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Speaker 3: myself and I think the person who comes through here

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Speaker 3: I'm still blown away by it. So that's something amazing

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Speaker 3: that I'll never get over.

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Speaker 1: Well, you got me, you got me weeping? Well done?

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Speaker 1: What's that thing, Amanda that your parents always said that

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's a few of those. You know. It's not

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Speaker 3: It's just when I'd go to do something and Mom

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Speaker 3: I don't want to do that, or you know, even

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Speaker 3: if it's something as simple as take a card again, No, God,

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Speaker 3: you might be a bit cold.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to do that. You're sure you

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Speaker 2: won't be cold. And I hated it when Mum did it.

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Speaker 3: I do it all the time, and even now when

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Speaker 3: to stitch my mouth closed. So I don't nag them

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Speaker 1: What's the boys favorite thing to do with you?

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Speaker 2: I don't say a favorite thing, but we're at our best.

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Speaker 3: I think when we're all sitting around a table having

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Speaker 3: so no one can leave and no one can be

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Speaker 3: on their phones or do any of that. Where captive

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Speaker 2: So that's my favorite thing to do with them.

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Speaker 3: Theirs to do with me is maybe when we're sitting

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Speaker 3: or we're watching them play football.

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Speaker 2: That's where we're at our best.

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Speaker 1: I think my mum's vision of heaven is all six

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Speaker 1: just like you described.

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Speaker 2: I often I'm away. I'm going to cry again.

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Speaker 3: I've got a couple of friends who've had some cancer

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Speaker 3: a friend her children, they were same age as mine.

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Speaker 3: They are probably only five and six at the time.

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Speaker 3: Her vision board was watching her boys play rugby. And

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Speaker 3: she's fine now. But every match I'd stand next to

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Speaker 3: her watching the game, and I think, no one here

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Speaker 3: knows what this means to any We all have our

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Speaker 3: own story of what we think as we're watching that

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Speaker 3: know sitting around the table watching them play football. The

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Speaker 3: detail of life is small. The big dreams aren't big,

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Speaker 3: they're small. The carrots we need to dangle for ourselves

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Speaker 3: are small and that's where the richness of life is.

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Speaker 3: It's in the details, you know, that's the stuff.

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Speaker 1: up number one. What are you most looking forward to

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Speaker 1: as a parent.

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Speaker 3: The words that want to come out that will come

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Speaker 3: That's all I want is these fabulous boys that I'm

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Speaker 1: I love talking to you. I love talking to made.

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Speaker 2: Me cry a lot today, justin it's not fair.

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Speaker 1: If you could go back to you as a young mum. Well,

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Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty eight years old you were.

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Speaker 1: You were still an inexperienced mum. If you could go

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Speaker 1: those tough moments, what advice now would you give yourself

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Speaker 2: Don't be scared. You're not going to break them.

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Speaker 3: Sure they may fall down the stairs on your watch,

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Speaker 3: we're all going to stuff them up in some way,

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Speaker 3: and that's the joy of life.

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Speaker 2: That's why as we're talking, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you talk about this with your friends, your family,

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Speaker 2: How can you not have that in your own family?

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Speaker 1: Amanda? Final question, what's been your biggest win as a mum?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how to answer that.

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Speaker 3: I think my biggest win there was an article recently

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Speaker 1: This has been such a beautiful lightning round, Amanda, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for making our day loved.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That was Amanda Keller, one of Australia's best known female

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Speaker 1: radio TV presenters and just a fabulous, wonderful lightning round. Hey,

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Speaker 1: that's it for today's podcast. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: I hope you've been enjoying the Happy Families summer podcast series.

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Speaker 1: Kylie joins me again in the studio tomorrow for more.

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