1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: Good morning, and welcome to the Daily Odds. It's Tuesday, 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: the twenty fifth of May. My name is Zara Seidler, 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: and helping me make sense of today's news is Sam Kazlowski. 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Addie making news today, cases in. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: Victoria, travel in Samoa, some. 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Good news about protected land. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: And we're going to have a chat about ceasefires is 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 2: today's daily digest. 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: Some bad news for Victorians. There were four positive locally 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: acquired COVID nineteen cases yesterday, with all cases being close 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: family contacts of that first case. 12 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 3: This morning, the Department of Health was advised off two 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: positive cases of COVID nineteen in Melbourne's northern suburbs, both 14 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: of whom reside in the city of Whittlesey. So that was. 15 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Victorian Health Minister Martin Foley speaking yesterday. Now, new exposure 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: sites have been announced, including Jump Swim School in Bundura 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: on May twenty one and High Point Shopping Center on 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: May twenty. Health officials and now conducting investigations and interviews 19 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,199 Speaker 1: as well as testing all individuals and their close contacts. 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: Stay tuned and we'll deliver any updates we hear. 21 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: Last week we brought you a story about a new 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: prime minister in Samoa, But we have a follow up 23 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 2: that you need to know. Samoa's newly elected government, called 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: the Fast Party, was blocked from entering parliament yesterday after 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: it was supposed to form a new government. The Fast 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: Party was met with police and locked doors as it 27 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 2: tried to begin the process of installing new leader fiam 28 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: Naomi Matafa as Samoa's first female prime minister. The incident 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: comes a day after the Supreme Court dismissed an attempt 30 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,639 Speaker 2: by the Head of States to cancel yesterday's parliamentary sitting. 31 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: This is a sentence I never thought I'd be saying. 32 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: The Belarusian President has forced the diversion of a Ryanair 33 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: passenger flight carrying an opposition journalist by sending out a 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: fighter jet to accompany the plane. Ryanair said in a 35 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,639 Speaker 1: statement that it had been notified by Belarus Air traffic 36 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: Control of a potential security threat on board and we're 37 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: instructed to divert to the nearest airport. There have been 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: calls from the European Union and NATO to intervene, with 39 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: UK Foreign Secretary Dominic Rab also warning that the quote 40 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 1: outlandish action would have quote serious implications keep an eye 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: on this story, because I think that this is definitely 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: not the end. 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: Of it, and today's good news. According to a report 44 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: released by the International Union for Conservation of Nature and 45 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: the United Nations Environmental Program, the International Community, that's US 46 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: has made great progress after meeting the ten year goal 47 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: of increasing the area of protected land on Earth. The 48 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: goal included protecting at least seventeen percent of land and 49 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 2: inland waters and ten percent of the marine environment. More 50 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: than forty two percent of the current coverage has been 51 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: added in the last decade, with about eight point four 52 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: million square miles of newly protected land and about ten 53 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: point eight million square miles of ocean. 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 4: Folks just with Primerson and Yahoo. Earlier today, I spoke 55 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: with President of Sizi of Egypt, Minister Primerson. Nao informed 56 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 4: me that Israel has agreed to a mutual unconditional cease 57 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 4: fire to begin in less than two hours. 58 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: So, as you can tell, we're clearly having a bit 59 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: of fun today with using grabs and let us know 60 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: what you think of it, because we are trying to 61 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: level up, as Sam says, but really that grab was 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: included so that we could lead really nicely into a 63 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: discussion about cease fires. What a cease fire is, what 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: the latest ceasefire between the Israelis and Palestinians actually means, 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: and what hope it has for maintaining and enduring peace. 66 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: All right, Sam, let's just go straight to a definition. 67 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: What is a cease fire. A ceasefire is an agreement 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: between both sides of a conflict to stop all offensive 69 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 2: attacks until further discussions are held. It's very different to 70 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: a peace deal. And I've seen a few people calling 71 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: the deal between Israel and the Palestinia a peace deal 72 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 2: rather than a ceasefire. It's an important distinction to make. 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: It's normally broken by a third party, which in this 74 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: case was Egypt. 75 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: So why was it Egypt. 76 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 2: It's a good question because you would have seen the 77 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 2: Egypt's name just pop into the dialogue all of a 78 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 2: sudden when they were the ones to broker this deal. 79 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: We know that Egypt has a good relationship with Hummas, 80 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: and that's largely because Egypt and Gaza share a border 81 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: on the Gazan west coast. In the past, they've been 82 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: the party too broke us similar ceasefires between Israel and 83 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 2: the Palestinians. And so when tensions emerged two weeks ago. Now, 84 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 2: as in the international community quickly turns to Egypt, a 85 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: lot of eyes, as in the international community quickly turns 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: to Egypt to be the middleman in a deal. 87 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: Okay, So to me, what you just highlighted is true 88 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: that throughout the days and weeks of conflict, we didn't 89 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: hear about Egypt at all. It really seemed like all 90 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: of the attention was on the US and what the 91 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: US could do to secure that ceasefire. Was the US 92 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: tending to lead that ceasefire or was it always going 93 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: to be Egypt. 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: The US is in a tricky position because they have 95 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: shown such strong support for Israel that it's hard for 96 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: them to win over the trust of Hummas and enter 97 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: into a three way ceasefire conversation that could ultimately lead 98 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: to a peace deal. In saying that, Egypt definitely lent 99 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: on the US, and in their official statement announcing the ceasefire, 100 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: they said that they had mediated the ceasefire with US support. 101 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: Now we're not exactly sure what that means, but it 102 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: means the US was involved in the conversations. 103 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: All right, So let's go to what the ceasefire actually means. 104 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: In this situation because I was reading a really good 105 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: Vox article about it and it made clear the distinctions 106 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: between a peace deal and a ceasefire. This Vox article 107 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: highlighted the fact that the biggest distinction here is that 108 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: a ceasefire is a solution in the short term. And 109 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: we've seen this on an almost four yearly cycle, that 110 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: tensions flare in the Middle East and then conflict ensues 111 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: and a ceasefire is reached. So is this ceasefire any 112 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: different to the one reached in twenty fourteen? 113 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: Not really. So what we're expecting to happen is for 114 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: part of the ceasefire to include an agreement from all 115 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 2: sides to head back to the negotiating table to keep 116 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: talking through the ideas that we've heard of, such as 117 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 2: a two state solution, such as increased humanitarian aid allowed 118 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: into Gaza, and different long term aims from both the parties. 119 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be holding out for the. 120 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: Result, okay, but in the short term, because I don't 121 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: want all hope to be lost here. In the short term, 122 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: there has been an immediate stop to the violence, is 123 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: that correct. 124 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: We've heard reports of some spot fire violence in Israel 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: between Arab and Jewish communities, But we haven't heard of 126 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: any reports of further rocket fire between Gaza and Israel, 127 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: which is the big sign of increased tensions. 128 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: So when the ceasefire was reached, the official statement said 129 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: that it was going to be unconditional, but we then 130 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: saw the Prime Minister of Israel and the leader of 131 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: Hummas both basically say that despite the current ceasefire, if 132 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: the other side were to resume the fighting, then they 133 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: would retaliate. And to me, that doesn't seem unconditional. So 134 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: are there any bounds to this seasepire? What happens if 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: one side breaks it versus the other? 136 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: All cards are off the table if somebody sends a 137 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 2: rocket into the other person's territory, meaning the ceasefire is off, 138 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: totally off. So it's as good as a handshake deal 139 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: at the moment. And it is so fragile that the 140 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: mediating parties from Egypt and some US officials it seems, 141 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: actually hopping between Gaza and Israel talking to two different governments, 142 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: trying to keep everyone happy in the days after such 143 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 2: a fragile deal is reached. 144 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: Either way, whether or not this is a long term 145 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: fix or not, it did put an end to the 146 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: fighting that killed well over two hundred people, the majority 147 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: of them Palestinians in the Gaza strip. 148 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: We've already been talking a bit too long, and there's 149 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 2: no point us pretending that this is the perfect summary 150 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: to the Israel Palestine conflict. There's very few details of 151 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: this ceasefire that are going to be made public, but 152 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: the purpose of this pod was to help you understand 153 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 2: an article when you see the word ceasefire popping up. 154 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 2: We'd love to hear if there are any other terms 155 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: around this issue that you'd like us to pull apart 156 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: and explain. That's all I've got time for on today's podcast. 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