1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: Already, and this is the daily. This is the daily, 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: This is the daily. 3 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: Ohs oh, now it makes sense. Good morning, and welcome 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 2: to the Daily OS. It's Tuesday, the fourth of March. 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: I'm emma, I'm lucy. Over the weekend, a meeting between 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,120 Speaker 2: Ukrainian President Volodimiu Zelensky, US President Donald Trump and Vice 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 2: President J. D. Vance descended into what's been described as 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 2: an explosive encounter, an Oval Office shouting match, and a 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: shocking and unprecedented exchange. 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Mister President, mister President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: for you to come to the Oval Office to try 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: to litigate this in front of the American media. 13 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 3: Can you've been to Ukraine that you say what problems 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 3: we have? I have been to come block. 15 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: I have actually I've actually watched and seen the stories, 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: and I know what happens is you bring people, you 17 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: bring them on a propaganda tour. Mister President Zelensky was 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: visiting the White House to sign on a deal giving 19 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: the US access to profits off Ukrainian minerals in exchange 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: for military support. However, the leader of Ukraine left Washington, 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: DC early before the deal could be finalized. Today where 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: unpacking what was said in the meeting, what it means 23 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: for the future of Russia's war in Ukraine, and how 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: the world and Europe specifically has responded. 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: EMMA. On Saturday morning, we all woke up to the 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: news of this heated Franklin, unprecedented exchange between Volodim Zelenski, 27 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: jd Vance and Donald Trump in the Oval Office that's 28 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: the President's official OFFICEEP in front of cameras and reporters. 29 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: Before you break down what went on? Where are we 30 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: up to with Russia's war in Ukraine. 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 2: Yes, so Russia launched this full scale invasion in Ukraine 32 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: three years ago now on the twenty fourth of February 33 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: twenty Russia now controls about a fifth of Ukrainian territory, 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: mostly in the east and north, and there's been very 35 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 2: little movement on the front lines over the past year, 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: other than a counter offensive by Ukraine into Russian territory. 37 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: You might have seen the headlines about now. Neither Russia 38 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 2: nor Ukraine publish updated data on military casualties, but the 39 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: UN estimates that around twelve thousand to six hundred civilians 40 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 2: have been killed in the three years of war, and 41 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: that twelve point seven million people are in need of 42 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: humanitarian aid. Now. To speak specifically to the US relationship 43 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: with Ukraine and its impact on this conflict, the US 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: has given Ukraine about one hundred and eighty three billion 45 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: dollars US in humanitarian and military aid since Russia's invasion. 46 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: That's about two hundred and eighty eight billion Aussie dollars. 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: And under the former US President Joe Biden, America supported 48 00:02:56,960 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: Ukraine and imposed sanctions on Russia. But what we've seen 49 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: under the new Trump administration is a very different approach 50 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: to the conflict. Now that was sort of foreshadowed in 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: Donald Trump's campaigning ahead of the election in November last year, 52 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 2: and since he was sworn in. There have been peace 53 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: talks in Saudi Arabia in recent weeks between the US 54 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: and Russia, but no Ukrainian officials have been present in 55 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: those peace talks, and that's been this real point of controversy, 56 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: this source of tension between the US and Ukraine in 57 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 2: recent weeks. 58 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: So then Zelensky comes to the White House against the 59 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: backdrop of these kind of increasing tensions. 60 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: What brought him to DC, So this tense conversation that 61 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: we eventually saw unfold came during this White House visit 62 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 2: for Zelenski to sign a minerals deal with the US. 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: So earlier last week, the White House announced that Zelenski 64 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 2: would be visiting on Friday local time to sign this deal, 65 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: and under the proposal, the USA would have access to 66 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: Ukraine's profits from rare earth elements in exchange for investment 67 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 2: and security for Ukraine. We heard some words from Donald 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: Trump around you know, no one will be messing with 69 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: Ukraine if there are US troops on the ground, if 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: there's a US presence on the ground, And that was 71 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: kind of at the heart of this deal. What was 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: in it for both sides? Maybe now. Rare earth elements, 73 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: in case you're not familiar, are a group of minerals 74 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: used in many modern products like smartphones and wind turbines, 75 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: and Ukraine actually holds many deposits of these minerals, so 76 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: it's a minerally rich territory. So Zelenski ended up meeting 77 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: with senior members of the Republican and Democratic parties on 78 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: Friday morning in the US. He then spoke with Trump 79 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 2: and JD Vance, the US Vice President, and at the 80 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: end of this meeting, reporters were invited into the Oval Office, 81 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: as you mentioned, Lucy, that is the President's office, where 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: they were to hear a short statement from the leaders, 83 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: followed by some questions. 84 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, all of that sounds like pretty operating procedure 85 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: for a foreign leader visiting the US. How do we 86 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: get from there to a war of words in the office. 87 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: So during the meeting, which was being broadcast live, I 88 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: think it's fairly unusual to have that kind of insight 89 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: into diplomatic tensions unfolding in that way, Zelensky argued that 90 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: Russia cannot be trusted to end the war diplomatically, speaking 91 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: to the US led talks with Russia for a peace deal. 92 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: So he was criticizing the kind of changing relationship between 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: the US and Russia, and in response, Vice President Vance 94 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: claimed that Zelensky was being disrespectful, that it was disrespectful 95 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: to come into the Oval Office and to quote try 96 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: to litigate this in front of the American media. Trump 97 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: added that Zelenski was gambling with the lives of millions 98 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: of people, in his words, and gambling with World War III. 99 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: Here's a little bit more of what unfolded. 100 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 4: Do you think that I respect Lance to come to 101 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,359 Speaker 4: the Oval Office of the United States of America and 102 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: attack the administration that is trying to try to prevent 103 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 4: the destruction of your. 104 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Country during the war. 105 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:09,799 Speaker 3: Everybody has problems, even you, But you have nice ocean 106 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: and don't feel now, but you will feel it in 107 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: the fusion. Blessed, you're blessed. 108 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 4: You're not work. 109 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,359 Speaker 3: Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying 110 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: to solve a problem. You've allowed you to be in 111 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 3: a pretty bad position, to be right about the very 112 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 3: beginning of the war. Not in a good position. You 113 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 3: don't have the cards right now with us. You start 114 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: having right now. You see, you're gambling with World War three. 115 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: So that press conference concluded with Trump saying to Zelensky, 116 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: you're not acting at all thankful, and that's not a 117 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: nice thing. I'll be honest, that's not a nice thing. 118 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: He said. All right, I think we've seen enough. Trump added, 119 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: what do you think this is going to be great television? 120 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 2: I will say that. 121 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: So then where does Zolensky go from there? I mean, 122 00:06:59,200 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: what happened? 123 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 4: What can you do? 124 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: So shortly after the meeting, I think, to no one's surprise, 125 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: Zelensky left the White House. He was reportedly asked to 126 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: leave by the US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and 127 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: the Trump administration later confirmed that the two countries had 128 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: not signed the deal, had not reached that conclusion that 129 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: had brought Zelenski to Washington, DC. So, writing on truth 130 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: Social after Zelenski's exit, Trump said quote, I have determined 131 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: that President Zelenski is not ready for peace if America 132 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: is involved. He disrespected the United States of America in 133 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: its cherished Oval Office. He can come back when he 134 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: is ready for peace. 135 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: And then what did Zolensky say? 136 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 2: So a short time after those comments from Trump, Zelensky 137 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: posted on x saying thank you America, thank you for 138 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: your support, thank you for this visit. Thank you President Trump, 139 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: Congress and the American people. Ukraine needs just and lasting 140 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: peace and we are working exactly for that. Then, in 141 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: a series of tweets, Zelenski also thanked other world leaders 142 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: who had reaffirmed their support for Ukraine in the wake 143 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: of that press conference that unfolded. So, I guess you know, 144 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: a very different tune from Selenski in the written posts 145 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: that he put to social media, compared to maybe the 146 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: mood or the comments inside the Oval Office hours earlier. 147 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: America is sometimes called the leader of the free world 148 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: because sort of it leads a lot of these global alliances, 149 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: and other world leaders want to partner with America for 150 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: various reasons. So it's interesting that other world leaders were 151 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: kind of publicly allying with Zelenski. What other sort of 152 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: things have they been doing in the wake of this 153 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: heated exchange. 154 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, So one of the countries that's come out really 155 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: strongly in support of Ukraine in the wake of these 156 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: failed talks is the UK, led by British Prime Minister 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: so Keir Starmer, and that's in direct response to these 158 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: concerns around regional stability. You know, as you mentioned, the 159 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 2: US seen as the leader of the free world, this 160 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: enormous economy, and if the US withdraw support for Ukraine, 161 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: you know, what does that mean for the Ukrainian people's 162 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 2: capacity to defend themselves from Russia? And what does that 163 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: mean for Russia's potential influence or it's standing on the 164 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: world stage. So literally the day after this White House meeting, 165 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: Zelenski arrived in London. He was received at the Prime 166 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: Minister's residence Number ten Downing Street, where Starma told him, 167 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: you are very welcome here in Downing Street. Starmer said, 168 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: as you've heard from the cheers on the street outside, 169 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: you have full backing across the United Kingdom. We stand 170 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: with you with Ukraine for as long as it may take. 171 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: So we've had this firm position from the UK kind 172 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 2: of in contrast to the US. So Starma then brought 173 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 2: together a summit of European leaders to show support for 174 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: Ukraine and to determine a plan for ending the Russia 175 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: Ukraine War. But this summit really was kind of an 176 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 2: emergency meeting crisis talks. I suppose you could describe them 177 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 2: as here's a little bit of what was said there. 178 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 4: Our starting point must be to put Ukraine in the 179 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 4: strongest possible position. Now any deal must be backed by strength. 180 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 4: Every nation must contribute to that in the best way 181 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 4: that it can, bringing different capabilities and support to the table, 182 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 4: but all taking responsibility to act, all stepping up their 183 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 4: own share of the burden. 184 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: So what's come of these UK talks? Have there been 185 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: any kind of like tangible announcements? 186 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 2: So Kirstama unveiled this two point twenty six billion pound 187 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: loan agreement between the UK and Ukraine. So that's worth 188 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: about four and a half billion Aussie dollars. And this 189 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 2: agreement is about supporting Ukrainian defense capabilities, so that money 190 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 2: will be spent on weapons production and it will be 191 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: funded with seized Russian assets. Now, these more than two 192 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: billion pound announcement actually comes after another significant investment in 193 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: the UK in defense. Last week. It actually announced its 194 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 2: biggest boost to defense spending since the Cold War. Now 195 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: that was driven in part by Russian aggression in Ukraine. 196 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: And that announcement came on the third anniversary of Russia's invasion, 197 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: which the British government has described as the quote barbaric, 198 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: illegal war in Ukraine. The UK will quote step up 199 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: and meet this pivotal moment of global instability head on, 200 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: it said. 201 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: You've also mentioned a summit of European leaders. What do 202 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: we know about that? 203 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: Yes, so on Sunday leaders from France, Germany, Denmark, Italy, 204 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Spain, Turkey, Finland, Sweden, Chechia, Romania, 205 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: as well as NATO senior figures, presidents of the European 206 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 2: Commission and European Council. So really significant policymakers, lawmakers' decision 207 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: makers across the EU and across Europe more broadly gathered 208 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: in London at Kiostarmer's requests, So you know the power 209 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: of Kiirstarmer calling this meeting and all of these influential 210 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: people coming to London urgently. The goal of these talks 211 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: was essentially to strengthen Ukraine's military, to build up global 212 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 2: support for Ukraine in its war against Russia, despite the 213 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: sentiment you know, within the Trump administration, and there was 214 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: very broad support for Ukraine, really strongly worded support. As 215 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: European leaders agreed, you know that more needs to be 216 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: done and more needs to be spent on defense. We're 217 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: hearing a lot about defense spending. A key theme being 218 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: there that Europe wants to show the US and show 219 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: Donald Trump that it can protect itself. Starmer said the 220 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: United Kingdom, Ukraine, France and some other nations would form 221 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 2: what's being described as this Coalition of the Willing, and 222 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: those parties would draw up a peace plan to take 223 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: to Trump. So kind of expanding those peace talks to 224 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 2: involve these other interested parties and nations. Starma didn't mention 225 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 2: which other nations specifically apart from the UK, France and Ukraine, 226 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 2: but he said that more countries were willing to join. 227 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 4: Europe must do the heavy listing. But to support peace 228 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 4: in our continent and to succeed this effort must have 229 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: strong US backing. We are at a crossroads in history today. 230 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 4: This is not a moment for more talk. It's time 231 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 4: to act, time to step up and lead and to 232 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 4: unite around a new plan for a just and enduring peace. 233 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: During that summer we got these sort of three key 234 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: areas from Starma to achieving a successful piece deal, and 235 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: just quickly they were arming the Ukrainians to put them 236 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: in a position of strength, including a European element to 237 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: guarantee security for Ukraine and for Europe as a whole, 238 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: providing a US backstop to prevent Russian President Ladimir Putin 239 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: from breaking his promises and ensuring lasting peace in Ukraine 240 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: for long term Ukrainian sovereignty. 241 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: I'll give you my read. You can tell me where 242 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,319 Speaker 1: or not you think this is a fair assessment. Sounds 243 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: like there's this really interesting tension between European leaders and 244 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: the UK wanting to be like no, like we can 245 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,599 Speaker 1: control this. We have an idea and we want to 246 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: make sure our region is safe. Yeah, but then also 247 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: kind of still needing to make concessions to the US. 248 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: I guess to make sure Russia keeps coming to the table. 249 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: This feels like such a strange flip of historically what 250 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: the allegiances have been for the US to be the 251 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: guarranteur for Russia. 252 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's thrown a lot of concern and questions in 253 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: the air when it comes to the alliances across Western democracies. 254 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: There have been a lot of diplomatic efforts in the 255 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: last few days to dispel these concerns, this tension. We 256 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: had French President Emmanuel Macron calling for kalm Kistarma, defending 257 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: the US as an ally amidst all of this support 258 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: for Ukraine. You know, Kiirstarmer said, let me be clear, 259 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: we agree with Trump on the urgent need for a 260 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: durable peace. Now we need to deliver that together. He said, 261 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: and when asked directly in a press conference if the 262 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: US under a Trump presidency was an unreliable ally, Prime 263 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: Minister Stamer said, nobody wanted to see what happened last Friday, 264 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 2: but I do not accept that the US is an 265 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: unreliable ally. That doesn't necessarily quell these conversations around you know, 266 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: the US interests in its alliances in terms of profit, 267 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: you know, its interest in Ukraine under that minerals deal 268 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 2: versus its obligation as a NATO partner or as an 269 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: ally to these Western democracies. After that summit of EU leaders, 270 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: Zelenski also met with King Charles, So you know, we 271 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: really couldn't have seen a stronger welcome or display of 272 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: public support from the UK. But you know, now there 273 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 2: are significant questions over the Ukraine US relationship if they 274 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: can patch things up. Zelenski spoke to reporters at a 275 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: press conference after that meeting with the King and he 276 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: said he was ready to sign the minerals deal. So 277 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: it seems like Zelenski is prepared to kind of put 278 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 2: the war of words aside. Whether or not the US 279 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: is going to be on the same page is a 280 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: whole other thing. Zelenski said, the agreement that's on the 281 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: table will be signed if the parties are ready. 282 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: So now we've heard a lot about what his response 283 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: was about what the EU and the UK has been saying. 284 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: What have we heard from the US in the week 285 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: of this kind of teta tet In the Oval Office. 286 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: On Sunday, a senior White House official warned that a 287 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: deal on minerals between the US and Ukraine could not 288 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: be signed without a peace deal with Russia. So the 289 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: kind of sentiment being that a peace agreement needs to 290 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: come before this minerals agreement. The sentiment from the White 291 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: House broadly has very much been centered around Zelenski acting disrespectfully. 292 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: That's its argument. The last few days, we've not really 293 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: heard language to suggest the deal is off the table altogether, 294 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: but certainly the White House has come out very firmly 295 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 2: and said it's not happy with the way that Vladimir 296 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: Zelenski conducted himself as a guest of the Trump administration 297 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 2: in the White House, Secretary of State Marco Rubio defended Trump, 298 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: accusing Zelensky of trying to derail the peace process. He 299 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: spoke to the American ABC News channel and said, what 300 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 2: Zelenski did, unfortunately, is that he found every opportunity to 301 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 2: try to ukraine'splain on every issue. What we do know 302 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: when it comes to the US on this war is 303 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,439 Speaker 2: that Trump does want the conflict to end. However that 304 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: is achieved. He certainly has articulated he wants the war 305 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: to be over, and that is something that the US 306 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 2: has in common with its allies. You know, all other 307 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: Western parties involved here have said they want this conflict 308 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: to end. But it's Trump's relationship with the Russian president 309 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin and how that's maybe changed in recent months 310 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 2: and He's growing criticism towards Zelenski that really has US 311 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: allies and European leaders most concerned. 312 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: So then what is the update on the peace process. 313 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 2: So the US minerals deal, as we've kind of touched on, 314 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: really hangs in the balance, I guess until we hear 315 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 2: more from whether or not the US is going to 316 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: come back to the tables. Zelenski certainly has expressed a 317 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: willingness too. In the meantime, the UK and France are 318 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 2: expected to put forward a one month ceasefire proposal in Ukraine, 319 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: and that would start with a ceasefire by air and 320 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: by sea. President Emmanuel mccron told French media that this 321 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: coalition of the willing could send troops to Ukraine four 322 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 2: peace keeping on the ground as a second phase of 323 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 2: any deal. The challenge is of course going to be 324 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,639 Speaker 2: reaching a deal that works for Ukraine and works for 325 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: the US, and as we've seen, that is going to 326 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 2: be far from straightforward. 327 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: Lucy, thanks so much for explaining all of that to me, Emma, 328 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: and thank you for joining us on the Daily Odds. 329 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: You can join us again for the headlines later on today, 330 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: but until then, have a good day. My name is 331 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: Lily Maddon and I'm a proud Arunda Bunjelung Calgodon woman 332 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: from Gadighl country. 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