Speaker 1: Hello.
Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr the
Speaker 2: Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before we
Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would
Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of
Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging
Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through
Speaker 2: as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and
Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today
Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.
Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money podcast for
Speaker 1: Millennials who want Financial Freedom. My name is Beck Sayed
Speaker 1: and we are with VD to talk about universally feared
Speaker 1: subject job interviews.
Speaker 4: Do you think we should change our intro? Like, you know,
Speaker 4: you just said millennials who want financial freedom? And I
Speaker 4: very quickly realized that our community is made up of
Speaker 4: more than millennials, so.
Speaker 1: True, it's for anyone who wants financial freedom.
Speaker 4: I'm not very good at taglines, So if anyone's listening
Speaker 4: to this and they're like yeah, V, we're getting really
Speaker 4: sick of you saying welcome to she's on the money
Speaker 4: the blood girls millennials who want financial freedom slide into
Speaker 4: my DMS with a better suggestion. Obviously I will credit you.
Speaker 4: It's all good. But until that happens and someone gives
Speaker 4: us a better tagline, will continue to use the millennial
Speaker 4: broken record. But we are talking about job interviews today.
Speaker 4: Maybe that should be a question I ask in job interviews, Oh,
Speaker 4: what should our tagline?
Speaker 1: Tagline bits? That's a pretty good.
Speaker 4: Question, no pressure, but job interviews are so stressful. I
Speaker 4: hated job interviews. I feel like, especially with my little
Speaker 4: ADHD brain, if I had a job interview at three pm,
Speaker 4: I did nothing for the rest of the day except
Speaker 4: get ready for the interview and then sit at my
Speaker 4: dining table waiting for the interview, which sweaty hands. And
Speaker 4: then because they got ready so early, I would then
Speaker 4: have to go change my outfit because I'd sweated through
Speaker 4: the outfit, and then I would have to pick it again.
Speaker 4: But then I'd change it again because I was anxious
Speaker 4: about what they would think of me wearing such a
Speaker 4: boring outfit. Right, I just feel like that's not the
Speaker 4: conversation we're having today though, because I guess we want
Speaker 4: to pep up a whole heap of confidence into you guys. Yes,
Speaker 4: because you can absolutely nail it. And I feel like
Speaker 4: the tips and tricks to nailing a job interview, especially
Speaker 4: now that I am an employer, and the things that
Speaker 4: I know employers look for, it's not necessarily the things
Speaker 4: that you think. Are you know, rehearsing your answers. That's
Speaker 4: actually a terrible idea because it makes you sound like
Speaker 4: you've rehearsed your answers and then they go, well, maybe
Speaker 4: she just said that because she, you know, practiced that
Speaker 4: answer and thought that's what we really wanted to hear,
Speaker 4: instead of actually being an authentic human being. So there
Speaker 4: are a fair few things that can shoot yourselves in
Speaker 4: the foot, But from my perspective, we all have unique
Speaker 4: qualities that I genuinely believe can shine in an interview setting.
Speaker 4: It's just about getting into the mindset and doing the
Speaker 4: prep so that you do actually shine and you do
Speaker 4: actually put.
Speaker 1: Your best foot forward. So, Beck, yes, are you excited.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. I want to know, actually, have you
Speaker 1: had a really terrible interview before? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely I did. I remember it was like
Speaker 4: for my grad job, and I didn't end up getting
Speaker 4: the job. So I studied psychology and I ultimately did
Speaker 4: my fourth year in psychology, and I did it in
Speaker 4: organizational sac which is the science of people at work,
Speaker 4: so it's more corporate. And I was applying for jobs
Speaker 4: with a Big four because what I wanted to get
Speaker 4: into was management consulting. So I'd applied obviously with all
Speaker 4: four of the big four in my space, and I
Speaker 4: was interviewing with a couple of those, and I was
Speaker 4: so nervous. Thankfully I did get a job with not
Speaker 4: a Big four. I ended up not taking that. I
Speaker 4: ended up taking one with kind of like down what
Speaker 4: do you call not a big four, like still really
Speaker 4: big corporate structure whatever. Yeah, So we were doing that,
Speaker 4: and I remember I went into this situation. I'd put
Speaker 4: my resume in and we did an interview. It was
Speaker 4: an online like survey thing to see if you got
Speaker 4: drud in the next round. And then it was a
Speaker 4: group interview. Scary, Oh my gosh, who does group interviews
Speaker 4: and thinks that's a good idea? Are you joking? I was,
Speaker 4: to put it very nicely, shitting bricks, like I was
Speaker 4: so scared and so nervous that me. Who you look
Speaker 4: at me right now, You're like, she's just talkative, Like yeah,
Speaker 4: I could talk underwater with a mouthful of marbles, like
Speaker 4: I literally have a podcast, it's my entire career.
Speaker 1: Do you think I said anything in that group interview? No? No,
Speaker 1: I was mute. You wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 4: I just sat there staring at everybody else, feeling awful
Speaker 4: because they all seemed so flipping smart and so well
Speaker 4: put together, and all of them had really nice que
Speaker 4: dresses on, and I was just wearing a dress that
Speaker 4: I I'd been wearing to my day job, and like,
Speaker 4: I just didn't.
Speaker 1: Look as good.
Speaker 4: I didn't feel as good. I was judging myself. Should
Speaker 4: I have done that? Absolutely not. It put me in
Speaker 4: the worst possible position. And you know what it was about.
Speaker 4: It was about mindset. Because I had walked in there
Speaker 4: with the confidence that I deserved to walk in there with.
Speaker 4: It didn't matter what I was wearing, didn't matter what
Speaker 4: I did. I would have been able to actually articulate
Speaker 4: my value and share with people why I should be there,
Speaker 4: because it's never about what you wear. No, I mean
Speaker 4: if you turned up to a bikini to a corporate interview,
Speaker 4: like it probably is about what you wear, but like
Speaker 4: it's really important to realize that the things that matter
Speaker 4: are not the things that I felt in that moment
Speaker 4: were important. And I didn't get that job. I didn't
Speaker 4: actually make it past the group interview stage. Go figure,
Speaker 4: like there's a reason. At the time, I was heartbroken.
Speaker 4: I was like, they can't see how's mart I am.
Speaker 4: They can't see this, they can't see that I'm the worst.
Speaker 4: I can't see that either, Victoria when I look back,
Speaker 4: like you screwed that for yourself, Like I had nothing
Speaker 4: to do, Like I remember going through it, and they did.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they still do this, but they
Speaker 4: did like psychometric assessment, so like they basically did a
Speaker 4: intelligence test and like scary, yeah, really really scary, but
Speaker 4: as somebody who studied them and knew how to take them.
Speaker 4: I also, let's again be frank, I'm relative like I
Speaker 4: do have a high IQ and so it worked out
Speaker 4: really well for me. But the fact that I could
Speaker 4: do that whole assessment in the comfort of my own home,
Speaker 4: obviously feeling pressure, but like not feeling like there was
Speaker 4: anyone around me. The feedback they gave me was that
Speaker 4: my personality and the way I presented on the day
Speaker 4: did not match what my psychometric assessment had said about me.
Speaker 1: And I was gutted. I was, but that's who I
Speaker 1: am and that's what I do. Like people kind of
Speaker 1: sent me for a spin for a very long time.
Speaker 1: But that's interesting that they didn't know that it was
Speaker 1: just obviously nerves or something. They were just like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't see it, no, no, you see your nervous
Speaker 1: no exactly, And I just remember being heartbroken. And it's
Speaker 1: it's funny because those are the things that you hold
Speaker 1: on too, right, Yeah, those are the things that play
Speaker 1: on your mind at three am, even now that I'm
Speaker 1: in my thirties and have won a different career and
Speaker 1: to a fair bit more confidence than I did. But
Speaker 1: it's funny because I still follow the main recruiter on LinkedIn,
Speaker 1: like can they sometimes pop up, and every single time
Speaker 1: I see their post, I'm like.
Speaker 4: Oh, oh, I still don't like it. It still triggers
Speaker 4: me because it makes me feel so anxious, like I remember,
Speaker 4: it transports me right back to feeling like I wasn't
Speaker 4: good enough, and I didn't know enough and I didn't
Speaker 4: have enough this, that or the other, and I remember, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I just remember that so vividly, And I guess that's
Speaker 4: why I'm now so passionate about mentoring and sharing knowledge
Speaker 4: and giving you guys the confidence that I genuinely believe
Speaker 4: you deserve to walk in there and be like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm a badass. Like no, I deserve this. And it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter whether you've got experience or not, like holding
Speaker 4: yourself well, it's to me a complete skill. If you
Speaker 4: haven't watched so side note, this is the lamest recommendation
Speaker 4: in the entire world. There is a Ted Talk. I
Speaker 4: am obsessed with Ted Talk. I'm obsessed with Ted's one.
Speaker 4: I'm manifesting doing my own Ted Talk one day on
Speaker 4: financial literacy.
Speaker 1: We will get there.
Speaker 4: But there is a woman called Amy Cuddy and she
Speaker 4: talks about power posing. And if you've heard about this before,
Speaker 4: totally get it. You're probably sick of me because it's
Speaker 4: from years and years and years ago. But it's all
Speaker 4: about kind of stepping into your true self and giving
Speaker 4: yourself a little bit more confidence because if you act
Speaker 4: a certain way, the hormones in your body can change
Speaker 4: and you know, you can actually get a bit more
Speaker 4: confidence just by acting confident, Like you can get a
Speaker 4: bit more confident by you know, putting your shoulders back
Speaker 4: and taking a few deep breaths and like deciding to
Speaker 4: hold the room as opposed to you know, slouching and
Speaker 4: walking in and being meek. So sure, she talks about
Speaker 4: this concept of power posing and like power posing in
Speaker 4: the mirror to get more confidence, and it sounds really lame.
Speaker 1: No, I love this. It works. Yeah, it works.
Speaker 4: And it's something that you know, even when I'm feeling
Speaker 4: a little bit overwhelmed, I'm like, all right, well, what's
Speaker 4: my body language saying to everybody else? Because sometimes if
Speaker 4: you don't have the words like sitting back in your chair,
Speaker 4: not you know, not crossing your arms over or slouching
Speaker 4: over like you know immediately, if someone's like that, they're
Speaker 4: being a bit defensive.
Speaker 1: They're a little bit introverted. Whereas if I sit like.
Speaker 4: This, I'm a lot more confident and I'm a lot
Speaker 4: more you know, likely to you know, be a bit
Speaker 4: more successful. So go have a look at that. I
Speaker 4: think it's really important. But that's my horror story about
Speaker 4: how I didn't get the job. And now I still
Speaker 4: scroll through LinkedIn and get triggered by it. Should I
Speaker 4: own follow her? Probably for my own mental health. But
Speaker 4: she's actually a really nice person and I had nothing.
Speaker 1: To do with her. That's fair enough. That's fair enough, Beck.
Speaker 4: I mean, you've got this job, and it wasn't scary
Speaker 4: to get this job. But have you had any terrible
Speaker 4: job experiences and interviews in general?
Speaker 1: I have had so many job interviews, not all of
Speaker 1: them bad. One I'll tell you about two. Oh, I
Speaker 1: get to really really quickly because I don't want to
Speaker 1: take up too much of your time. So the first
Speaker 1: I want you to always take up all of my
Speaker 1: lind is so sweet. Well, the first one was very
Speaker 1: is more interesting than anything it was. I was going
Speaker 1: for a prison officer role. Oh cool, and I got
Speaker 1: very very funn I did not see this coming. I
Speaker 1: did not see this coming. Jobs you would and even
Speaker 1: like prison officer, I've been to something, even like you know,
Speaker 1: survivor AT tried to get on vib you so much,
Speaker 1: so many, so many different weird not weird, but interesting.
Speaker 3: I mean, is a bit of a juxtaposition from you know,
Speaker 3: you've been in reception, you now work in video production.
Speaker 4: You're a podcast co host. You also decided that you're
Speaker 4: going to work in a prison and go on Survivor,
Speaker 4: Like I feel like.
Speaker 1: That's the best, and that is not even touching the sides.
Speaker 1: But basically, so this this one interview, it was a
Speaker 1: few interviews in there were such a long process. It
Speaker 1: took months and months and months to even get to
Speaker 1: the stage. But there's a few of us. We all
Speaker 1: went to the Geelong AFL Main.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know that stadium, and they just held
Speaker 4: the interviews there.
Speaker 1: They had not held the interviews. There was a big
Speaker 1: interview day and there was a few different things we
Speaker 1: had to do. One of them was role play, So
Speaker 1: there was an role play there who he didn't know
Speaker 1: I was such a great actor. But basically I went
Speaker 1: in here. One of the interviewees interviewees interviewers, sorry I
Speaker 1: should say, played the role of a very distressed inmate
Speaker 1: and I had to calm this person down and it
Speaker 1: probably went for about ten minutes. And this person was
Speaker 1: very good at acting. It almost it almost trigger. It
Speaker 1: was quite traumatic how realistic this situation was. Anyway, So
Speaker 1: that was one of my interviews where I had to
Speaker 1: literally almost talk down a very realistic inmate. That was scary,
Speaker 1: but you know it was great. It's actually really interesting
Speaker 1: and I almost got that job and I can't remember
Speaker 1: why I didn't. But anyway, the next interview was awful, awful, awful.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I went to for some reason, applied for a job
Speaker 1: that I was not qualified for and for some reason, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: go for it.
Speaker 4: You applied for a job that you definitely could have
Speaker 4: grown into. Oh that's very nice of you to say
Speaker 4: hate when people say, oh, I wasn't qualified for it.
Speaker 1: We'll put your hat in the ring.
Speaker 4: Anyway, if you got to the interview stage, yes, like
Speaker 4: they clearly say something and you don't they true?
Speaker 1: Well this, yeah, well that's what I thought. It's all
Speaker 1: I went to sing, I don't know why they invited me.
Speaker 1: B Yes, exactly as you're saying, like, that's at them.
Speaker 1: They could have sent you a icmail being like, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, Beck. That could Unfortunately, we're looking for
Speaker 1: someone with a little bit more experience, and you would
Speaker 1: have said when man, thank you ma'am for giving me
Speaker 1: a response at best. Honestly, I would have preferred that
Speaker 1: because the way this went, they were asking me questions
Speaker 1: I worked in a call center. At this point, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, always working in entry level jobs. Do this job? Actually,
Speaker 1: So I was a call center, entry level call taker,
Speaker 1: and I applied for a business sort of role, and
Speaker 1: they were asking me questions like I don't even I
Speaker 1: can't even remember them. They were so complex. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: literally mid interview had to say, I don't think this
Speaker 1: is what I thought, and I don't think I'm what
Speaker 1: you thought. I I need to I said, I am
Speaker 1: in bad interview. That's great, you helped that row. But
Speaker 1: I had to say that for a while because it
Speaker 1: was there were a few different points in this interview.
Speaker 1: It was like a two hour and I said, I
Speaker 1: think I've misunderstood what's happening here. And I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not to have fired you on the spot. That's
Speaker 1: very nice.
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, like that authenticity and that transparency is something that,
Speaker 4: you know what, a lot of people would have just
Speaker 4: bullshitted their way through that interview.
Speaker 1: Right oh yes, oh yes.
Speaker 4: And then look like an idiot like I just want
Speaker 4: you to tell me how it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. It was a little bit. It got
Speaker 1: to the point I was trying to, like I cannot
Speaker 1: bullshit anymore. We have peak bullshitness. I said, yes, I
Speaker 1: just think you can see what's happening here. I can
Speaker 1: see what's happening here. I need to go home.
Speaker 4: And I have read the room, and I would like
Speaker 4: to read this room and read out of it exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's basically those are the two core memories that
Speaker 1: I have. Oh my gosh, anymore. But anyway we.
Speaker 4: Digret, Well, how about we just talk about, you know,
Speaker 4: some tips and tricks to nailing your job interview. Regardless
Speaker 4: of whether it's as a role as a prison officer
Speaker 4: for one of the big four banks, as a receptionist
Speaker 4: to work in a call center, whether you're gonna go
Speaker 4: and do this big dog business interview, it doesn't matter right, absolutely,
Speaker 4: because I feel like the tips and tricks they transcend
Speaker 4: all industry exactly right.
Speaker 1: So for you as an employer, what do you look for?
Speaker 4: I've got three right, okay, I feel like, all right,
Speaker 4: first things, First, dress for success. I know that that
Speaker 4: is very flippant and we should not in twenty twenty
Speaker 4: three be making the first point about a job interview
Speaker 4: about your physical appearance, because I do not like that
Speaker 4: at all. But what we need to acknowledge, is that
Speaker 4: that immediate judgment of you walking in that door and
Speaker 4: putting your like your best put forward, they're gonna look
Speaker 4: at you and judge you. I don't care how open
Speaker 4: they say they are. I don't care what people are
Speaker 4: going to you know, go oh, but it shouldn't be
Speaker 4: about what you're at. You're right, it shouldn't, but it
Speaker 4: is sure, And so we're going to just tackle that
Speaker 4: one first. So obviously I want you to be super
Speaker 4: comfortable and super confident and wearing a pencil skirt beck
Speaker 4: that makes you super uncomfortable, but you think is what
Speaker 4: they're looking for, is doing the exact dorset for you.
Speaker 4: Like I know you well enough to know that if
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, let's take back in for
Speaker 4: a corporate interview, struck her in and like a whole
Speaker 4: outfit that's gonna make her so wildly uncomfortable. It's gonna
Speaker 4: make the interview awful. Like you're gonna be adjusting your
Speaker 4: skirt every two seconds. You're gonna be worrying how it's
Speaker 4: going to fit, what it looks like, what you look
Speaker 4: like from behind. You're going to not feel like your
Speaker 4: best self in that outfit right, So we're not going
Speaker 4: to dress like somebody else or what you think they're expecting.
Speaker 4: We're going to dress appropriately for the job interview, but
Speaker 4: in a way that suits your personal style. So if
Speaker 4: you are most comfortable in pants, you're gonna wear pants.
Speaker 4: I don't care if everybody else in that organization wears skirts.
Speaker 4: It doesn't worry me at all, because at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, you're not going to turn up in
Speaker 4: a skirt every day, are you, beck No, So I
Speaker 4: think it's important to feel confident and comfortable and op
Speaker 4: for professional attire that actually reflects your personal style.
Speaker 1: It's like you, but the appropriate.
Speaker 4: Version of you for that event. I also believe genuinely
Speaker 4: that when you look good, you feel good. So investing
Speaker 4: some time in just like personal grooming before is really
Speaker 4: really important.
Speaker 1: So, like, do wash your.
Speaker 4: Hair that day, you'll feel super fresh, Like if you
Speaker 4: wear makeup, pop on some makeup and give yourself an
Speaker 4: extra five or ten minutes to make sure that you're
Speaker 4: not rushed in that process, and you can make it
Speaker 4: a bit more self carey than you usually would, so
Speaker 4: you walk out feeling like super nice and super fresh.
Speaker 4: I also genuinely believe in and this is gonna be lame,
Speaker 4: but dressing one style up from what the expected outfit is. So,
Speaker 4: if you're going to a job interview where you know
Speaker 4: that all of the team they actually just turn up
Speaker 4: in jumpers and T shirts and wear some jeans to work,
Speaker 4: you're not gonna wear jeans that day. You're gonna wear
Speaker 4: just We're not gonna go super formal, but we're gonna
Speaker 4: wear a nice pair of slacks. We are going to
Speaker 4: dress for the job that we want, not the current
Speaker 4: situation that we are in, because that is a immediately
Speaker 4: going to put you in a more polished position. So
Speaker 4: even though I know unequivocally if I got that job,
Speaker 4: I would not be expected to wear that outfit, I'm
Speaker 4: going to dress one level above because I'm trying. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to put my best foot forward. And do you
Speaker 4: know what I actually want you to notice? Ye I
Speaker 4: want you to know that I'm turning up looking really chic.
Speaker 4: I want you to know that I care about this,
Speaker 4: and I want you to know that that, to me
Speaker 4: is really important.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you're not going to go back
Speaker 1: to T shirts.
Speaker 4: If you get the job. I totally get that. But
Speaker 4: a way of immediately communicating how interested you are in
Speaker 4: something is to put what others might see as your
Speaker 4: best put forward, Like could you just turn up in
Speaker 4: jeans and a T shirt and get the job? Yeah,
Speaker 4: because do you know why a mediocre, middle aged white
Speaker 4: man would do that?
Speaker 1: But when we really.
Speaker 4: Want to feel confident, I think turning up a little
Speaker 4: bit overdressed is not the worst thing in the entire world.
Speaker 4: There is no such thing as overdressed, like literally nothing.
Speaker 4: The next is do your homework. So, especially when you're
Speaker 4: mentioned before Beck that you've applied for heaps and heaps
Speaker 4: of jobs and done heaps and heaps of interviews, one
Speaker 4: of the hardest things when you're in that job seeker
Speaker 4: phase is to like keep your finger on the pulse
Speaker 4: of what every single company does. Like every single job
Speaker 4: is going to fit you because you applied for it, right,
Speaker 4: But like if you're like looking, let's just say a
Speaker 4: reception role. You're looking for a reception role and you're like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, this actually looks really good. I'm looking
Speaker 4: for a reception role in the Melbourne CBD and I
Speaker 4: want full time hours, and you know, there might be
Speaker 4: some other things that you're looking for. You chuck that
Speaker 4: into sec or LinkedIn or wherever you're looking for a job,
Speaker 4: and heap are going to come up. Right, You're going
Speaker 4: to apply for all of them. But it is a
Speaker 4: shame when you go to that job interview and they say.
Speaker 1: So, what's Zella about?
Speaker 4: Can you tell me a little bit about Zella Money
Speaker 4: and why you chose to apply for the role here
Speaker 4: at our company?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Why us? Why us?
Speaker 4: Like there's lots of reception jobs out there, my friend,
Speaker 4: do your research, understand the value, understand the mission of
Speaker 4: the company and the role that you're applying for. It
Speaker 4: is so important because so many times I have interviewed
Speaker 4: people and I'm like, oh, cool, you want to work
Speaker 4: for Zella Money.
Speaker 1: I'm so stoked, Like what brought you here? Oh I
Speaker 1: saw it on sick.
Speaker 4: Okay, Like I know that that might be the truth
Speaker 4: of it. Like at the end of the day, I'm
Speaker 4: looking for stuff, and I'm putting myself out into the
Speaker 4: recruitment sphere, so I know that you might see my
Speaker 4: company for the very first time and apply for that job.
Speaker 4: Can you please at least pretend to care about my
Speaker 4: value and my mission and what goes on, because there's
Speaker 4: nothing more disheartening than interviewing somebody and going yep, cool.
Speaker 4: So this reception role is five days a week and
Speaker 4: you'll be greeting my clients and welcoming my clients into
Speaker 4: my office and making them feel super comfortable. What about
Speaker 4: Zellary you passionate about and you go, oh, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, I don't know yet.
Speaker 4: Oh do you know what I mean? Like, you're completely
Speaker 4: off on the wrong foot. And that's something that doesn't
Speaker 4: take experience. It doesn't take a genius, it doesn't These
Speaker 4: are things that are hygiene they're like hygiene level things.
Speaker 4: Google the company. Read through their about page on their website,
Speaker 4: look up what they actually do, like, put them into Google.
Speaker 4: Have a read of the first few articles. Know who
Speaker 4: the CEO is. Understand what that means. Because the amount
Speaker 4: of times, and this is historically before Zellern Cheese on
Speaker 4: the Money got the profile that they have, I would
Speaker 4: walk into an interview and they'd be like, oh, so
Speaker 4: do you just recruit for this company?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do, I also own it.
Speaker 4: And there's nothing more disheartening than feeling like other people
Speaker 4: don't care about your business as much as you do.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that that's still true when it.
Speaker 1: Comes to corporate.
Speaker 4: But even in corporate sharing with the recruiter or whoever
Speaker 4: you're meeting with, you really care about the mission of
Speaker 4: this company. I really want to work with you because
Speaker 4: you know it's a smaller business environment and I feel
Speaker 4: like I'll thrive here. Doesn't have to be super specific,
Speaker 4: you don't have to go well, actually, I know that
Speaker 4: the CEO's name is Craig, and Craig likes dogs, and
Speaker 4: on his Instagram it says x y. You don't need
Speaker 4: that level. We just need to have base mission, base values.
Speaker 4: Understand that they align. Because as much as you're being
Speaker 4: interviewed by them, same situation you had beck, you're interviewing
Speaker 4: them and seeing if it's a right fit for you. True,
Speaker 4: you're going to spend forty hours ish thirty eight forty
Speaker 4: hours a week, every single week with this company and
Speaker 4: these people.
Speaker 1: Those are more.
Speaker 4: Waking hours than the hours you'll spend with your partner.
Speaker 4: Make the right decision, make it a company that you
Speaker 4: actually like going to work with. And that's not because
Speaker 4: I think that your entire work life balance should be
Speaker 4: about making sure that you love your job. You don't
Speaker 4: have to love your job, but you do have to
Speaker 4: be mentally healthy in your job. So let's make sure
Speaker 4: it's a company that you don't absolutely hate going to.
Speaker 4: And obviously having that knowledge is going to demonstrate your
Speaker 4: enthusiasm and actual genuine interest in the role and not
Speaker 4: make the recruiter feel like you just went on seek
Speaker 4: and applied for every single one. Even if that's the
Speaker 4: reality of the situation, I don't need.
Speaker 1: To know that. Yep, that's fine. Then showcase your strengths.
Speaker 4: There is this misconception that having a high opinion of
Speaker 4: yourself is ego.
Speaker 1: And it's narcissistic. It's not.
Speaker 4: It's self care. Having a high opinion of yourself is
Speaker 4: a good thing. Being able to understand your strengths and
Speaker 4: your weaknesses is power. It is not having an ego
Speaker 4: and being egotistical. It is not being narcissistic. It is
Speaker 4: actually a form of self care and self love and
Speaker 4: putting yourself first and actually respecting yourself and your body.
Speaker 4: Like to me, when people are like, oh, no, I'm
Speaker 4: not very good at much, I'm like, that tells me
Speaker 4: more about your relationship with yourself than your capability.
Speaker 1: I want you to be able to.
Speaker 4: See a job interview as an opportunity to without fail,
Speaker 4: go oh, actually I'm really good at this, not so
Speaker 4: good at that. Do you know who had a really
Speaker 4: good interview and they told me they were absolutely terrible
Speaker 4: at a few things, Miss Jessicin No, absolutely, and I
Speaker 4: loved every second of it. So in her job interview,
Speaker 4: and I'm talking about this so candidly because she's spoken
Speaker 4: about it publicly on this podcast before, so we're not,
Speaker 4: you know, introducing any new information here in her interview,
Speaker 4: she came along to it and we were talking about
Speaker 4: the role, and you know what she was really good
Speaker 4: at and what she was you know, maybe wondering about.
Speaker 4: She then said, actually, I've got to be completely transparent.
Speaker 4: In your job description, you said that I would be
Speaker 4: working on spreadsheets and I would be doing this, and.
Speaker 1: I'm terrible at spreadsheets. I don't like them.
Speaker 4: I don't actually want to learn anything about them. My
Speaker 4: entire value sits over here, right and you know, if
Speaker 4: I'm going to have to go over there, like, I'll
Speaker 4: learn the bare minimum. But I promise you I'm not engaged.
Speaker 4: I'm not enthusiastic. It is not what I do. I
Speaker 4: know you're really good at it, and I'm happy to,
Speaker 4: you know, learn what I need to to be successful
Speaker 4: in this role. But I think I should be super transparent, Like,
Speaker 4: if that's what you're mainly hiring for, I would not
Speaker 4: be a good fit.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And I remember being like, what w Like no one's
Speaker 4: ever looked in and said, Hey, so this thing in
Speaker 4: your job aut that you said you were looking for.
Speaker 4: I'm everything else, but I'm not that. She basically got
Speaker 4: the job on the spot. She literally got offered the
Speaker 4: job on the spot by me because I just felt
Speaker 4: like somebody being so transparent and so confident about their
Speaker 4: skills and where their value was and what they valued
Speaker 4: and what they wanted to do. In that moment, I
Speaker 4: knew that that was the type of person I wanted
Speaker 4: on my team. And that other thing, you're never going
Speaker 4: to get the perfect employee. Like, let's be honest, Like
Speaker 4: a job description goes out and it's like a wish list.
Speaker 1: It's like a wish list of.
Speaker 4: Here are all the things I would love you to have.
Speaker 4: I want you to do ABC And unless you've worked
Speaker 4: in exactly the same role before, it's very unlikely that
Speaker 4: you're going to tick every single box. And that's why
Speaker 4: we need to talk about this stuff more often, because
Speaker 4: often when you apply for a job back, you're applying
Speaker 4: for one step up, and you're applying for a step up,
Speaker 4: and that doesn't necessarily mean that you've got experience in that.
Speaker 4: It means that you need experience in that. And if
Speaker 4: you're a kind, capable, intelligent human being, you can learn
Speaker 4: on the job, absolutely, But if you're super transparent in
Speaker 4: your interview about a particular component of that, you're going
Speaker 4: to get way more respect from somebody than being like, oh, yeah, Na, no,
Speaker 4: I can do that, I can do that, and then
Speaker 4: in the first couple of weeks they realize, oh, they
Speaker 4: can't actually do that, like maybe Beckward so like not
Speaker 4: being as transparent as she could in her job interview.
Speaker 4: As an employer, I don't care. I hire, and I
Speaker 4: mean this is not the truth for everybody, but I
Speaker 4: hire based on cultural fit. I mean, you have to
Speaker 4: have some level of base competency, let's be honest, but
Speaker 4: I would prefer to train you for technical skill then
Speaker 4: hire somebody that's not the right cultural fit, because like
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, when the MIC's are off,
Speaker 4: it's you it's me, it's Jess, it's Analysa, it's Gabby,
Speaker 4: it's Maddie. It's like the rest of my team hanging
Speaker 4: out and trying to work out what happens next.
Speaker 1: And we need to get along. We don't just need
Speaker 1: to get along.
Speaker 4: It is so important that you and I understand each
Speaker 4: other on a deeper line so that when we are
Speaker 4: doing the work that we do, it makes sense totally.
Speaker 4: Your technical capability can be taught. You don't know how
Speaker 4: to do it, I'll teach you. But if you never
Speaker 4: want to learn, you also need to communicate that too,
Speaker 4: because that could be a stumbling block in the role. Sure,
Speaker 4: So I think showcasing your strengths and understanding having a
Speaker 4: low opinion of yourself Beck from my perspective, is not
Speaker 4: being humble.
Speaker 1: It is destructive. It is not sexy.
Speaker 4: It's a big call kind of I guess it is
Speaker 4: a big cult. But having a low opinion of yourself
Speaker 4: it's actually just self destruction. And I don't think that
Speaker 4: that is very sexy at all. And I think that
Speaker 4: we all should kind of step a bit more into
Speaker 4: our confidence and if you can't do something cool, be
Speaker 4: confident about it. Be like I don't really know how
Speaker 4: to do that. Yeah, but do you know what I
Speaker 4: do know is that I'm tenacious, and I am smart,
Speaker 4: and I am willing and I am so excited to learn.
Speaker 1: That's what I want to hear. I love that, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like, go, Beck, can you do that? And you go,
Speaker 4: oh no, I don't think so. Sorry, I haven't got
Speaker 4: experience in that.
Speaker 1: Is that a right? Okay? But like flip that?
Speaker 4: Oh, Beck, I'm so sorry I can't do that. But
Speaker 4: that sounds so interesting. And this business is something that
Speaker 4: I'm really passionate about, and from what you've explained, I
Speaker 4: feel like I do have the skills to learn that
Speaker 4: quite quickly, So.
Speaker 1: I don't think that should be an issue at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, how good is that?
Speaker 4: In comparison? I just think that reframing as well just
Speaker 4: so so important.
Speaker 1: But what do you think? What do you reckon? We
Speaker 1: need in our arsenal to nail a job interview? Beck? Look,
Speaker 1: the I think those things are definitely important, But I
Speaker 1: also think it's important to remember that each interview is
Speaker 1: like a learning experience, regardless of the outcome, So whether
Speaker 1: you get it or not, or whether you've gone in
Speaker 1: there and you're not confident, or you've gone in there
Speaker 1: and you've done something wrong or forgotten to put yous
Speaker 1: on or something weird like that, you will always learn
Speaker 1: something at the end of it. So it's yeah, it's
Speaker 1: always a learning curve, do you know what? It's very funny.
Speaker 4: My mum has this saying that I think helps me
Speaker 4: a lot in the world, and it's nothing is ever
Speaker 4: like fruitless. Everything in your life will either be a
Speaker 4: blessing or a lesson.
Speaker 1: Oh so she's good.
Speaker 4: We'll either like you know, get the job and it'll
Speaker 4: be a blessing it'll be so great, or it'll be
Speaker 4: a lesson and you've learned something from it. And if
Speaker 4: you haven't learned something from it, you probably haven't sat
Speaker 4: down long enough to think about what that learning was.
Speaker 4: Or sometimes you're not able to see that learning and
Speaker 4: you're like really upset about it, and you really really
Speaker 4: wanted that, and you're just like, this is devastating, and
Speaker 4: then sixty months down the track, you're like looking at
Speaker 4: the current role you have and you're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: so glad I didn't get that because even though I
Speaker 4: was super upset about it, I'm now super stoked because
Speaker 4: now I have my actual dream job, or this actual
Speaker 4: circumstance happens. It's like when you break up with a
Speaker 4: partner and you're like heartbroken and you're like, I'm never
Speaker 4: going to love again, and it's like the worst thing ever.
Speaker 4: And then you find new love and you're like, I
Speaker 4: know exactly why it didn't work out with anybody else. Like,
Speaker 4: I think it's so important because in that circumstance it
Speaker 4: was a blessing. You just couldn't see that it was
Speaker 4: a blessing yet totally. So I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 4: And just knowing yourself and your strengths and what makes
Speaker 4: you a good candidate is just really really important, and
Speaker 4: you're so right, like you can learn something from everything
Speaker 4: and sometimes not getting the job it's in the best
Speaker 4: interest of everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's not.
Speaker 4: Good to be extended a job that you wouldn't thrive in.
Speaker 4: And hopefully that person that was interviewing you is being
Speaker 4: super pragmatic and you know, really thinking about whether this
Speaker 4: is the best fit for you and the best fit
Speaker 4: for the company. And sometimes a no is actually a
Speaker 4: good thing for you because it wouldn't have been.
Speaker 1: A good fit.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I would much prefer you to not get
Speaker 4: the job at the start, then struggle through probation and
Speaker 4: trying to make it happen, and then not making it
Speaker 4: and then knocking your confidence even more, Like how awful
Speaker 4: would that situation be?
Speaker 1: Them saying no, no worries.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes just you know, knowing your worth, knowing
Speaker 4: who you are and what you're looking for, is really
Speaker 4: really important, because we forget so often that when we
Speaker 4: are putting our best foot forward, we're not just doing
Speaker 4: it for that company.
Speaker 1: We're doing it for ourselves as well.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, like you are doing it for yourself so that
Speaker 4: you turn up and you get the job that gives
Speaker 4: you the things that you're looking for, and you're interviewing
Speaker 4: them as much as they're interviewing you, even though that
Speaker 4: power dynamic in that moment feels like they're the ones
Speaker 4: super in control.
Speaker 1: You can say no, that's so true.
Speaker 4: You can say no, You can ask them a million questions,
Speaker 4: Like if they don't give you the opportunity to ask
Speaker 4: questions to me, that's a bit of a red flag,
Speaker 4: like them not giving you the opportunity to say, oh, well,
Speaker 4: what about.
Speaker 1: This, this or this What are they hiding?
Speaker 3: Well, no, not just what they're hiding, but like, well,
Speaker 3: why aren't they giving you.
Speaker 4: An opportunity to ask them questions? Because they should know
Speaker 4: that this is a two way.
Speaker 1: Straight Sure, I think this is the perfect time to
Speaker 1: go to a quick break. Couldn't agree more. My friend
Speaker 1: on the other side, we will deep dive more. I
Speaker 1: love it. Let's do it. Okay, V we are back
Speaker 1: and we're talking about interviews, very scary subject.
Speaker 4: How do we reframe that from scary into exciting?
Speaker 1: Yes? I think by the end of this episode people
Speaker 1: will be excited.
Speaker 4: Did you know that the chemicals released in your body
Speaker 4: when you are scared of something are the identical chemicals
Speaker 4: that are released when you're excited about something that's just
Speaker 4: about perception? Wow, that's how your body interprets it. So
Speaker 4: you actually, when you're really scared or feeling nervous or anxious,
Speaker 4: and you know you have that deep sense of anxiety
Speaker 4: that you sometimes get, you could reframe it and go,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, a're out, Like you could go down
Speaker 4: and rab a whole bit.
Speaker 1: So anxious, I'm so.
Speaker 4: Scared, Like my hands are sweaty, like I feel sick.
Speaker 1: This is the worst.
Speaker 4: You could reframe that and go, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 4: am so excited. Look at me, like, I can't stop
Speaker 4: like being anxious about this. Do you know how good
Speaker 4: that is? Like you can just reframe it into I'm
Speaker 4: excited in.
Speaker 1: Dead of anxious. Well, I'm going to try that.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a hard pill to swallow when you're
Speaker 4: genuinely being anxious. Yes, but I also think that understanding
Speaker 4: that that's the same chemical and you can channel it
Speaker 4: into a different thing, like I'm so excited, and do
Speaker 4: you know what that means?
Speaker 1: That means you care?
Speaker 4: How good is it that you are going to an
Speaker 4: interview and you care so much about that role? That's
Speaker 4: good for you, that's good for the organization. Like being
Speaker 4: a little bit nervous is good to me. Another red
Speaker 4: flag beck when people.
Speaker 1: Come in and don't give two shits about the role.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh you're not anxious, you're not nervous, you're not
Speaker 4: worried in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you don't care that much? Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 3: like the idea that you might care.
Speaker 4: I don't want anyone to be anxious around me. I
Speaker 4: don't want anyone to be scared or afraid or any
Speaker 4: of those things. But like, I think reframing this like
Speaker 4: pre interview anxiety as actually care a lot about this,
Speaker 4: and that's a really good thing.
Speaker 1: Totally. I really like that. So what are your tips
Speaker 1: for reframing that and kind of getting more excited rather
Speaker 1: than anxious.
Speaker 4: I think it's important, But also you can't do that
Speaker 4: without practice. Practice practice makes perfect. Absolutely doesn't make perfect.
Speaker 1: It actually just makes me feel more confident when I
Speaker 1: do deliver it.
Speaker 4: And I mean, one thing that I said before is
Speaker 4: not overly practicing your responses. So when I said, oh, practice, practice, practice,
Speaker 4: that's important.
Speaker 1: But what we're not going to do.
Speaker 4: Is script our responses because so many times if you're
Speaker 4: scripting your response, you're not actually listening in that interview.
Speaker 4: You're waiting to hear trigger word to trigger that response
Speaker 4: that you're going to go off on a tangent. And
Speaker 4: then me, if I'm interviewing you, I'm going to look
Speaker 4: at you and be like that half addresses what I
Speaker 4: was talking to, But I don't think you were listening,
Speaker 4: and that sounds like a prescripted response. What I would
Speaker 4: actually prefer in an interview situation is for you to
Speaker 4: stop and think about the question that I've just asked you.
Speaker 4: I'm not judge you on your response time. Like, something
Speaker 4: that is really powerful in an interview situation is silence.
Speaker 1: Silence is golden. Yeah.
Speaker 4: If I ask you a question and you take a
Speaker 4: second to think about it, great, you're making considered responses.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people in interview circumstances are
Speaker 4: scared of silence and they just feel like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: Beck asked me the question, so now I really needed
Speaker 4: to respond really quickly. Otherwise they're going to think I'm silly. No,
Speaker 4: they're gonna think you're silly if you waffle on and
Speaker 4: on and on.
Speaker 1: But if you took a moment and then.
Speaker 4: Had a relatively well articulated response that hit the nail
Speaker 4: on the head to the question you were asked, cool,
Speaker 4: she's a smart individual doing cool things. Silence can be golden.
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter if it's one or two or three seconds.
Speaker 4: Do you know what's even more powerful? Give me a second.
Speaker 4: I hadn't really thought about that question before. Oh well,
Speaker 4: actually share your thought processes, and I promise, one you'll
Speaker 4: be more confident, but two you'll be able to come
Speaker 4: up with a better res And that does not mean
Speaker 4: I don't think you should practice. I do think you
Speaker 4: should practice. Obviously, rehearsing common interview questions and how to
Speaker 4: respond to them best, that makes you feel confident is
Speaker 4: going to be good. Do it in front of a friend.
Speaker 4: If you don't want to do it in front of
Speaker 4: a friend, do it in front of a mirror, because
Speaker 4: I promise there's nothing more confronting as somebody who does
Speaker 4: a lot of public speaking is listening to yourself and practicing.
Speaker 1: In the mirror. Oh my lord, I do not like
Speaker 1: doing that.
Speaker 4: But I promise it helps get me to a point
Speaker 4: where if I'm then on stage, I'm really confident with
Speaker 4: what I'm delivering because I've seen the way my body
Speaker 4: is acting, I've seen how I'm presenting it, and if
Speaker 4: I'm like hunched over a little bit, I'm super aware
Speaker 4: and I like put my my shoulders back and I
Speaker 4: kind of keep myself in check. But practice because it's
Speaker 4: going to help you clearly articulate your thoughts and clearly
Speaker 4: build confidence in your responses. But I think that instead
Speaker 4: of just being a robot who like flies off the
Speaker 4: handle with a really well articulated response, giving it a
Speaker 4: few seconds. I'm really thinking about the question because I
Speaker 4: promise the question is going to be asked in a
Speaker 4: very different way than what you've practiced. So they might say,
Speaker 4: you know, what are you most passionate about? But they'll
Speaker 4: say it in a different way, and you haven't practiced that,
Speaker 4: and making sure that you're really incorporating the question is
Speaker 4: really important. Something else when it's like just psychology, tip
Speaker 4: I suppose is to reframe the question while you're answering
Speaker 4: that question. So you might go, Hey, Victoria, how's your day?
Speaker 4: And I could respond good, oh, actually, Beck, my day
Speaker 4: has been and kind of respond using the questions. So
Speaker 4: one you're reiterating to the interviewer that you heard the
Speaker 4: question correctly, But two, it makes your response sound a
Speaker 4: lot more well round it. It makes you seem like
Speaker 4: you absorbed that question, you took it in, you reframed it,
Speaker 4: and you spat it back out and answered it. So
Speaker 4: instead of me responding yeah, I'm good, you're responding, oh, well,
Speaker 4: actually my day has been really good. And then you can,
Speaker 4: I guess expand on that. It's you're reframing and it's
Speaker 4: literally just a psychology Do you want to call it
Speaker 4: a technique or just concept reframing, google it, but it's
Speaker 4: this idea that when you reframe a question that's being
Speaker 4: asked of you, it immediately makes the person that asked
Speaker 4: it of you feel like they are more hurt and
Speaker 4: they are being listened to. Really easy, doesn't take any
Speaker 4: type of intelligence or skill like, but if you reframe it,
Speaker 4: you can make them feel like they're really heard, and
Speaker 4: that's something that requires practice. And you were talking before
Speaker 4: you did an interview where it was role played. In
Speaker 4: my degree when I did psychology, or in both of them,
Speaker 4: roleplay it was such a big part of it, and
Speaker 4: it used to make me so uncomfortable, like role play
Speaker 4: with one of my other fellow students, like a counseling situation.
Speaker 1: I hated it.
Speaker 4: By the end of it, I was really really confident
Speaker 4: with it. But like we did whole semester where our
Speaker 4: job was basically to reframe a question right so hard.
Speaker 4: It sounds really simple, but when you're in a situation
Speaker 4: that is relatively under pressure, like we could role play
Speaker 4: a few now, but in the moment, you're like, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, how do I reframe that?
Speaker 1: So it's open ended?
Speaker 4: How do I reframe that so that they feel like
Speaker 4: their own feelings are being reflected while being respectful right,
Speaker 4: like can be challenging and that's why practice makes perfect.
Speaker 1: My friend. Yeah, I love that, And also just like
Speaker 1: be yourself because I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 1: go in there and they are quite maybe like for
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, robotic, and they think that
Speaker 1: they have to hide their I don't know their own
Speaker 1: little quirks and little things that they do so they
Speaker 1: can fit this like cookie cutter mold that they've created
Speaker 1: in their own head. But really, just be yourself. Like
Speaker 1: as you say, I feel like a lot of places
Speaker 1: do like to hire for cultural reasons, like they want
Speaker 1: someone who fits their cultural vibe. So being yourself kind
Speaker 1: of helps them know you. It helps you know them
Speaker 1: the way they respond to you. Like, let's dive deeper
Speaker 1: into that. I have ADHD. I have a lot of
Speaker 1: friends who are on the autism spectrum. Like being transparent
Speaker 1: about that to begin with, I think is really important.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of the time, having had
Speaker 1: conversations with my friends, we hide those things, and in reality,
Speaker 1: those things can actually be our superpower. Like if there's
Speaker 1: something you struggle with or if there's something that you know,
Speaker 1: you might be on the spicy spectrum and that's good,
Speaker 1: same babe, Like, it's actually one of those things that
Speaker 1: makes you more you, but also adds so much value
Speaker 1: to the culture, to the business, to having a different perspective,
Speaker 1: Like that is something that I value so highly, and
Speaker 1: I know lots of other people do.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you get into super corporate, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to get too many people offside.
Speaker 1: They might actually want a cookie cutter.
Speaker 4: And you know what, if you pretend to be that
Speaker 4: cookie cutter, your emotional energy going to work every single
Speaker 4: day is going to be so high. You're going to
Speaker 4: be so burnt out. You're not going to enjoy that
Speaker 4: job at all because you're pretending to be somebody you
Speaker 4: are not. Yes, that's not hot, that's not good. That's
Speaker 4: not good for long term career success. Being yourself is
Speaker 4: so genuinely important, and I mean, understand social norms is
Speaker 4: really important in these circumstances, but also being transparent and
Speaker 4: explaining hey, like, you know, one of my girlfriends, she's
Speaker 4: not good at visual cues and not good at body language,
Speaker 4: Like she doesn't read body language very well and sometimes
Speaker 4: I have to be like, ah, yeah, that's bad and
Speaker 4: she's like, oh really. And I think explaining something like
Speaker 4: that at the start and being like, hey, this is
Speaker 4: something I really struggle with. So if I seem a
Speaker 4: little bit like distant or a little bit this or
Speaker 4: a little bit that, like that could be it. I
Speaker 4: promise you, I'm really excited to be here. Yea, everyone's
Speaker 4: on the same page. How friggin great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the I absolutely love that obviously, you know, asking
Speaker 1: considered questions and being a little bit aware of your
Speaker 1: nonverbal communication, like your body language. As you said before,
Speaker 1: V what would you follow up with? What's your last
Speaker 1: tip of the day?
Speaker 4: Again, Fluffy, But I think it matters gratitude follow up
Speaker 4: with gratitude both, So thank yourself for putting your best
Speaker 4: foot forward and go I did a really good job.
Speaker 1: And even if you didn't do a good job and
Speaker 1: you walked.
Speaker 4: Out and you're like, oh I ruined that interview, you'd
Speaker 4: be like, I am so glad I showed up for myself.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad I did that. I learned something today
Speaker 4: and it was to do that nought again. Like, and
Speaker 4: I get that, because do you know what we're going
Speaker 4: to have circumstances in life where that happens.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to pretend it's all sunshine and.
Speaker 4: Roses, but being gracious and being kind to ourselves is
Speaker 4: so important. But also after the interview, send a thank
Speaker 4: you note or an email that expresses your appreciation.
Speaker 1: For the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I think just it demonstrates that you're a professional
Speaker 4: and it leaves a really positive impression. Regardless of how
Speaker 4: you thought the interview went. You think it flunked, thank
Speaker 4: them for the opportunity, you think it went really well,
Speaker 4: Thank them for the opportunity, you're not sure how it went.
Speaker 4: Thank them for the opportunity.
Speaker 1: Exactly, regardless of the outcome, whether you get it or not,
Speaker 1: thank them for the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's crazy how many people don't do that.
Speaker 4: Then you're like it's radio silence, Like I get that
Speaker 4: you're waiting for next steps from the employer, And I mean,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't follow up every single day and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: I really grateful for that interview, just wondering what the
Speaker 4: outcome is. Like, that's not it like sending a really
Speaker 4: nice email following the script of Hi, Beck, thank you
Speaker 4: so much for taking the time to interview me today.
Speaker 4: Really appreciated it. Loved getting to know more about your
Speaker 4: company and to give you the opportunity to learn more
Speaker 4: about you. Can't wait until we next connect. Yeah, Victoria
Speaker 4: like something that doesn't And I mean, you're probably not
Speaker 4: going to get a response from this, and I wouldn't
Speaker 4: expect one because if you expect one, you're probably expecting
Speaker 4: a bit too much. Recruiters are really really busy. But
Speaker 4: I promise they'll see that and go, what a breath
Speaker 4: of fresh air. They're not following up asking for feedback immediately,
Speaker 4: they're not asking for anything. They're just saying, hey, thanks
Speaker 4: for that. Really appreciated that you took the time to
Speaker 4: spend it with me. Yeah, because at the end of
Speaker 4: the day, I think a lot of times we walk
Speaker 4: away from interviews and you know you said it before,
Speaker 4: you like it was not the right fit for me.
Speaker 1: It was awful. I don't even know I.
Speaker 4: Was there, because you definitely ticked their boxes enough for
Speaker 4: them to want to get to know you. And like,
Speaker 4: that's a really positive step in the right direction. Totally,
Speaker 4: So even if it wasn't a positive outcome, we are
Speaker 4: so grateful for the opportunity, because that's going to either be.
Speaker 1: As my mum would say, a blessing or a lesson
Speaker 1: perfect thing to end on. I love that fee, all right,
Speaker 1: good luck everyone out there. If you're going to an interview,
Speaker 1: if you just had one, tell me about that one too,
Speaker 1: Tell me about them in my DM, tell us it's
Speaker 1: my favorite.
Speaker 4: Like I love knowing about you guys, I love being
Speaker 4: part of the community.
Speaker 1: But then also like I'm your high woman, I promise
Speaker 1: I've got your back me too also, And good luck
Speaker 1: and go forward with these very wise words. Have a
Speaker 1: good week, my friends. We will see you on Friday. Bye.
Speaker 1: Did buy shared on?
Speaker 3: She's on the Money is general in nature and does
Speaker 3: not consider your individual circumstances.
Speaker 1: She Is on the Money exists purely.
Speaker 3: For educational purposes and should not be relied upon to
Speaker 3: make an investment or financial decision. If you do choose
Speaker 3: to buy a financial product, read the PDS TMD and
Speaker 3: obtain appropriate financial.
Speaker 1: Advice tailored towards your needs.
Speaker 3: Victoria Divine and She's on the Money are authorized representatives
Speaker 3: of Money SHERPA pty Ltd a BN three two one
Speaker 3: six four nine two seven seven zero eight AFSL four five, one,
Speaker 3: two eight nine,