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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yr the

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Speaker 2: Order Kerni Whoalbury and a waddery woman. And before we

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Speaker 2: get started on She's on the Money podcast, I would

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Speaker 2: like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of

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Speaker 2: which this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging

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Speaker 2: the elders, the ancestors and the next generation coming through

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Speaker 2: as this podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and

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Speaker 2: the storytelling of you to make a difference for today

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Speaker 2: and lasting impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: She's on the Money, She's on the Money.

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Speaker 4: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money podcast for

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Speaker 4: Millennials who want Financial Freedom. My name is Beck Sayed

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Speaker 4: and we are with VD to talk about universally feared

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Speaker 4: subject job interviews.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we should change our intro? Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you just said millennials who want financial freedom? And I

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Speaker 1: very quickly realized that our community is made up of

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Speaker 1: more than millennials, so.

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Speaker 4: True, it's for anyone who wants financial freedom.

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Speaker 1: I'm not very good at taglines, So if anyone's listening

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Speaker 1: to this and they're like yeah, V, we're getting really

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Speaker 1: sick of you saying welcome to she's on the money

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Speaker 1: the blood girls millennials who want financial freedom slide into

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Speaker 1: my DMS with a better suggestion. Obviously I will credit you.

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Speaker 1: It's all good. But until that happens and someone gives

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Speaker 1: us a better tagline, will continue to use the millennial

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Speaker 1: broken record. But we are talking about job interviews today.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that should be a question I ask in job interviews, Oh,

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Speaker 1: what should our tagline?

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Speaker 4: Tagline bits? That's a pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Question, no pressure, but job interviews are so stressful. I

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Speaker 1: hated job interviews. I feel like, especially with my little

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Speaker 1: then because they got ready so early, I would then

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Speaker 1: But then I'd change it again because I was anxious

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Speaker 1: about what they would think of me wearing such a

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Speaker 1: boring outfit. Right, I just feel like that's not the

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Speaker 1: conversation we're having today though, because I guess we want

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Speaker 1: to pep up a whole heap of confidence into you guys. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because you can absolutely nail it. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: the tips and tricks to nailing a job interview, especially

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Speaker 1: I know employers look for, it's not necessarily the things

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Speaker 1: that you think. Are you know, rehearsing your answers. That's

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Speaker 1: she just said that because she, you know, practiced that

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Speaker 1: instead of actually being an authentic human being. So there

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Speaker 1: are a fair few things that can shoot yourselves in

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Speaker 1: the foot, But from my perspective, we all have unique

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Speaker 4: had a really terrible interview before? Oh?

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Speaker 4: But that's interesting that they didn't know that it was

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Speaker 1: lamest recommendation in the entire world. There is a Ted Talk.

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Speaker 1: financial literacy. We will get there. But there is a

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Speaker 1: woman called Amy Cuddy and she talks about power posing.

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Speaker 1: And if you've heard about this before, totally get it.

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Speaker 1: But she's actually a really nice person and I had

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Speaker 4: That's fair enough. That's fair enough, Beck.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got this job, and it wasn't scary

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Speaker 4: I have had so many job interviews, not all of

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Speaker 4: Well, the first one was very is more interesting than

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Speaker 4: That's the best, and that is not even touching the sides.

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Speaker 4: but you know it was great. It's actually really interesting

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Speaker 4: I went to for some reason, applied for a job

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Speaker 1: Know, I'm not to have fired you on the spot.

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Speaker 1: Well, honestly, like that authenticity and that transparency is something that,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair. It was a little bit. It got

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Speaker 4: I said, yes, I just think you can see what's

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Speaker 1: And I have read the room, and I would like

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Speaker 4: So that's basically those are the two core memories that

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Speaker 1: Digret, Well, how about we just talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: some tips and tricks to nailing your job interview. Regardless

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Speaker 1: because I feel like the tips and tricks they transcend

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Speaker 4: So for you, as an employer, what do you look for?

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Speaker 1: I've got three right, Okay, I feel like, all right,

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Speaker 1: is sure, And so we're going to just tackle that

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Speaker 1: I don't care if everybody else in that organization wears skirts.

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Speaker 1: Why us? Like there's lots of reception jobs out there,

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Speaker 1: It is so important because so many times I have

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Speaker 1: you here? Oh? I saw it on sick Okay, Like

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Speaker 1: that doesn't take experience. It doesn't take a genius. It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: These are things that are hygiene they're like hygiene level things.

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Speaker 1: have a read of the first few articles. Know who

435
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Speaker 1: the CEO is. Understand what that means. Because the amount

436
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Speaker 1: of times, and this is historically before Zellern Cheese on

437
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Speaker 1: the Money got the profile that they have, I would

438
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,720
Speaker 1: walk into an interview and they'd be like, oh, so

439
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Speaker 1: do you just recruit for this company?

440
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

441
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: I do, I also own it. And there's nothing more

442
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,359
Speaker 1: disheartening than feeling like other people don't care about your

443
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,639
Speaker 1: business as much as you do. And I'm not saying

444
00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 1: that that's still true when it comes to corporate, but

445
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 1: even in corporate sharing with the recruiter or whoever you're

446
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: meeting with, you really care about the mission of this company.

447
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 1: I really want to work with you because you know

448
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 1: it's a smaller business environment and I feel like I'll

449
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: thrive here. Doesn't have to be super specific. You don't

450
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Speaker 1: have to go well, actually, I know that the CEO's

451
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 1: name is Craig, and Craig likes dogs, and on his

452
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: Instagram it says x y. You don't need that level.

453
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 1: We just need to have base mission, base values. Understand

454
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 1: that they align because as much as you're being interviewed

455
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 1: by them, same situation you had beck, you're interviewing them

456
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Speaker 1: and seeing if it's a right fit for you. True,

457
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Speaker 1: you're going to spend forty hours ish thirty eight forty

458
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Speaker 1: hours a week, every single week with this company and

459
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Speaker 1: these people. Those are more waking hours than the hours

460
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Speaker 1: you'll spend with your partner. Make the right decision, make

461
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Speaker 1: it a company that you actually like going to work with.

462
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Speaker 1: And that's not because I think that your entire work

463
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Speaker 1: life balance should be about making sure that you love

464
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Speaker 1: your job. You don't have to love your job, but

465
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Speaker 1: you do have to be mentally healthy in your job.

466
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Speaker 1: So let's make sure it's a company that you don't

467
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Speaker 1: absolutely hate going to. And obviously having that knowledge is

468
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: going to demonstrate your enthusiasm and actual genuine interest in

469
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Speaker 1: the role and not make the recruiter feel like you

470
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Speaker 1: just went on seek and applied for every single one.

471
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Speaker 1: Even if that's the reality of the situation, I don't

472
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: need to know that. Yep, that's fine. Then showcase your strengths.

473
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 1: There is this misconception that having a high opinion of

474
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Speaker 1: yourself is ego and it's narcissistic. It's not. It's self care.

475
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 1: Having a high opinion of yourself is a good thing.

476
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: Being able to understand your strengths and your weaknesses is power.

477
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Speaker 1: It is not having an ego and being egotistical. It

478
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Speaker 1: is not being narcissistic. It is actually a form of

479
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Speaker 1: self care and self love and putting yourself first and

480
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Speaker 1: actually respecting yourself and your body. Like to me, when

481
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Speaker 1: people are like, oh, no, I'm not very good at much,

482
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Speaker 1: I'm like, that tells me more about your relationship with

483
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Speaker 1: yourself than your capability. I want you to be able

484
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: to see a job interview as an opportunity to without fail,

485
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Speaker 1: go oh, actually I'm really good at this, not so

486
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Speaker 1: good at that. Do you know who had a really

487
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Speaker 1: good interview and they told me they were absolutely terrible

488
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Speaker 1: at a few things. Miss Jessicin No, absolutely, and I

489
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: loved every second of it. So in her job interview,

490
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about this so candidly because she's spoken

491
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: about it publicly on this podcast before, so we're not,

492
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, introducing any new information here in her interview,

493
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: she came along to it and we were talking about

494
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Speaker 1: the role, and you know what she was really good

495
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Speaker 1: at and what she was you know, maybe wondering about.

496
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Speaker 1: She then said, actually, I've got to be completely transparent.

497
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Speaker 1: In your job description, you said that I would be

498
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Speaker 1: working on spreadsheets and I would be doing this, and

499
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Speaker 1: I'm terrible at spreadsheets. I don't like them. I don't

500
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Speaker 1: actually want to learn anything about them. My entire value

501
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: sits over here, right and you know, if I'm going

502
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Speaker 1: to have to go over there, like, I'll learn the

503
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Speaker 1: bare minimum. But I promise you I'm not engaged. I'm

504
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Speaker 1: not enthusiastic. It is not what I do. I know

505
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Speaker 1: you're really good at it, and I'm happy to, you know,

506
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Speaker 1: learn what I need to to be successful in this role,

507
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Speaker 1: but I think I should be super transparent, Like, if

508
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Speaker 1: that's what you're mainly hiring for, I would not be

509
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Speaker 1: a good fit.

510
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Speaker 2: Wow.

511
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Speaker 1: And I remember being like, what w Like no one's

512
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: ever looked in and said, Hey, so this thing in

513
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: your job aut that you said you were looking for.

514
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm everything else, but I'm not that. She basically got

515
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Speaker 1: the job on the spot. She literally got offered the

516
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Speaker 1: job on the spot by me because I just felt

517
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Speaker 1: like somebody being so transparent and so confident about their

518
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Speaker 1: skills and where their value was and what they valued

519
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: and what they wanted to do. In that moment, I

520
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: knew that that was the type of person I wanted

521
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Speaker 1: on my team. And that other thing, you're never going

522
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Speaker 1: to get the perfect employee. Like, let's be honest, Like

523
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Speaker 1: a job description goes out and it's like a wish list.

524
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Speaker 1: It's like a wish list of here are all the

525
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Speaker 1: things I would love you to have. I want you

526
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Speaker 1: to do ABC And unless you've worked in exactly the

527
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Speaker 1: same role before, it's very unlikely that you're going to

528
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Speaker 1: tick every single box. And that's why we need to

529
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Speaker 1: talk about this stuff more often, because often when you

530
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: apply for a job back, you're applying for one step up,

531
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Speaker 1: and you're applying for a step up, and that doesn't

532
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Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you've got experience in that. It means

533
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Speaker 1: that you need experience in that. And if you're a kind, capable,

534
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: intelligent human being, you can learn on the job, absolutely,

535
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: But if you're super transparent in your interview about a

536
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Speaker 1: particular component of that, you're going to get way more

537
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Speaker 1: respect from somebody than being like, oh, yeah, Na, no,

538
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: I can do that, I can do that, and then

539
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: in the first couple of weeks they realize, oh, they

540
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 1: can't actually do that, Like maybe Beckward so like not

541
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: being as transparent as she could in her job interview.

542
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Speaker 1: As an employer, I don't care. I hire, and I

543
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: mean this is not the truth for everybody, but I

544
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 1: hire based on cultural fit. I mean, you have to

545
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: have some level of base competency, let's be honest, but

546
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: I would prefer to train you for technical skill then

547
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: hire somebody that's not the right cultural fit, because like

548
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, when the MIC's are off,

549
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: it's you, it's me, it's Jess, it's Analysa, it's Gabby,

550
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: it's Maddie. It's like the rest of my team hanging

551
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: out and trying to work out what happens next. And

552
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: we need to get along. We don't just need to

553
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: get along. It is so important that you and I

554
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: understand each other on a deeper line so that when

555
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: we are doing the work that we do, it makes

556
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: sense totally. Your technical capability can be taught. You don't

557
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: know how to do it, I'll teach you. But if

558
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: you never want to learn, you also need to communicate

559
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: that too, because that could be a stumbling block in

560
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: the role. Sure, So I think showcasing your strengths and

561
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: understanding having a low opinion of yourself Beck from my perspective,

562
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: is not being humble. It is destructive. It is not sexy.

563
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: It's a big call kind of I guess it is

564
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 1: a big cult. But having a low opinion of yourself

565
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: it's actually just self destruction. And I don't think that

566
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: that is very sexy at all. And I think that

567
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: we all should kind of step a bit more into

568
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: our confidence and if you can't do something cool, be

569
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: confident about it be like I don't really know how

570
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, but do you know what I

571
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: do know is that I'm tenacious, and I am smart,

572
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 1: and I am willing and I am so excited to learn.

573
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: That's what I want to hear. I love that, do

574
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, go, Beck, can you

575
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Speaker 1: do that? And you go, oh no, I don't think

576
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: so sorry, I haven't got experience in that. Is that

577
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: a right? Okay? But like flip that? Oh, Beck, I'm

578
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: so sorry I can't do that. But that sounds so interesting.

579
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: And this business is something that I'm really passionate about,

580
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: and from what you've explained, I feel like I do

581
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: have the skills to learn that quite quickly, So I

582
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: don't think that should be an issue at all. Yeah,

583
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how good is that? In comparison? I

584
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: just think that reframing as well just so so important.

585
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: But what do you think? What do you reckon? We

586
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: need in our arsenal to nail a job interview? Beck?

587
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 4: Look, the I think those things are definitely important, But

588
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 4: I also think it's important to remember that each interview

589
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,239
Speaker 4: is like a learning experience, regardless of the outcome, So

590
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 4: whether you get it or not, or whether you've gone

591
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 4: in there and you're not confident, or you've gone in

592
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 4: there and you've done something wrong or forgotten to put

593
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: yous on or something weird like that, you will always

594
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: learn something at the end of it. So it's yeah,

595
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 4: it's always a learning curve.

596
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: Do you know what? It's very funny. My mum has

597
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: this saying that I think helps me a lot in

598
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: the world, and it's nothing is ever like fruitless. Everything

599
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: in your life will either be a blessing or a lesson.

600
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 4: Oh so she's good.

601
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 1: We'll either like you know, get the job and it'll

602
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: be a blessing it'll be so great, or it'll be

603
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: a lesson and you've learned something from it. And if

604
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: you haven't learned something from it, you probably haven't sat

605
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: down long enough to think about what that learning was.

606
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: Or sometimes you're not able to see that learning and

607
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: you're like really upset about it and you really really

608
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: wanted that and you're just like this is devastating, and

609
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: then sixty months down the track, you're like looking at

610
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: the current role you have and you're like, oh, I'm

611
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 1: so glad I didn't get that because even though I

612
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: was super upset about it. I'm now super stoked because

613
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: now I have my actual dream job, or this actual

614
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: circumstance happens. It's like when you break up with a

615
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: partner and you're like heartbroken and you're like, I'm never

616
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: going to love again, and it's like the worst thing ever.

617
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: And then you find new love and you're like, I

618
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: know exactly why it didn't work out with anybody else. Like,

619
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I think it's so important because in that circumstance it

620
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: was a blessing. You just couldn't see that it was

621
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: a blessing yet totally. So I think that's kind of cool.

622
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: And just knowing yourself and your strengths and what makes

623
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: you a good candidate is just really really important. And

624
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: you're so right, like you can learn something from everything

625
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: and sometimes not getting the job it's in the best

626
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: interest of everybody.

627
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's.

628
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: Not good to be extended a job that you wouldn't

629
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: thrive in. And hopefully that person that was interviewing you

630
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: is being super pragmatic and you know, really thinking about

631
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: whether this is the best fit for you and the

632
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: best fit for the company. And sometimes a no is

633
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: actually a good thing for you because it wouldn't have

634
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: been a good fit. Absolutely, and I would much prefer

635
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: you to not get the job at the start, then

636
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: struggle through probation and trying to make it happen, and

637
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: then not making it and then knocking your confidence even more,

638
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Like how awful would that situation be? Them saying no,

639
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: no worries. I think sometimes just you know, knowing your worth,

640
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: knowing who you are and what you're looking for, is

641
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: really really important, because we forget so often that when

642
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: we are putting our best foot forward, we're not just

643
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: doing it for that company. We're doing it for ourselves

644
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: as well. Absolutely, like you are doing it for yourself

645
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: so that you turn up and you get the job

646
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: that gives you the things that you're looking for, and

647
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: you're interviewing them as much as they're interviewing you, even

648
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: though that power dynamic in that moment feels like they're

649
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: the ones super in control. You can say no, that's

650
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: so true. You can say no. You can ask them

651
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: a million questions, Like if they don't give you the

652
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: opportunity to ask questions to me, that's a bit of

653
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: a red flag, like them not giving you the opportunity

654
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: to say, oh, well, what about this, this or this?

655
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 4: What are they hiding?

656
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: Well, no, not just what they're hiding, but like, well,

657
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: why aren't they giving you an opportunity to ask them

658
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: questions because they should know that this is a two

659
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: way straight Sure, I think this is the perfect time

660
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: to go to a quick break. Couldn't agree more.

661
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: My friend on the other side, we will deep dive more.

662
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: I love it.

663
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 4: Let's do it. Okay, V we are back and we're

664
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: talking about interviews, very scary subject.

665
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: How do we reframe that from scary into exciting?

666
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 4: Yes, I think by the end of this episode people

667
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 4: will be excited.

668
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Did you know that the chemicals released in your body

669
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: when you are scared of something are the identical chemicals

670
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: that are released when you're excited about something that's just

671
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: about perception. Wow, that's how your body interprets it. So

672
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: you actually, when you're really scared or feeling nervous or anxious,

673
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: and you know you have that deep sense of anxiety

674
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: that you sometimes get, you could reframe it and go,

675
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, a're out, like you could go down

676
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: and rob a whole bit. So anxious, I'm so scared,

677
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: Like my hands are sweaty, like I feel sick. This

678
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: is the worst. You could reframe that and go, oh

679
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: my gosh, I am so excited. Look at me, like,

680
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: I can't stop like being anxious about this. Do you

681
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: know how good that is? Like you can just reframe

682
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: it into I'm excited in dead of anxious.

683
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to try that.

684
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a hard pill to swallow when you're

685
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: genuinely being anxious. Yes, but I also think that understanding

686
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: that that's the same chemical and you can channel it

687
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: into a different thing, like I'm so excited, And do

688
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: you know what that means? That means you care? How

689
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: good is it that you are going to an interview

690
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: and you care so much about that role? That's good

691
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: for you, that's good for the organization. Like being a

692
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: little bit nervous is good to me. Another red flag

693
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: beck when people come in and don't give two shits

694
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: about the role. Yeah, oh you're not anxious, you're not nervous,

695
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: you're not worried in any way, shape or form. Okay,

696
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: so you don't care that much? Yeah, okay, I like

697
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: the idea that you might care. I don't want anyone

698
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: to be anxious around me. I don't want anyone to

699
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: be scared or afraid or any of those things. But like,

700
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: I think reframing this like pre interview anxiety as actually

701
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: care a lot about this, and that's a really good thing.

702
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 4: Totally. I really like that. So what are your tips

703
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: for reframing that and kind of getting more excited rather

704
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 4: than anxious.

705
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: I think it's important, But also you can't do that

706
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: without practice. Practice practice makes perfect. Absolutely doesn't make perfect.

707
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: It actually just makes me feel more confident when I

708
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: do deliver it. And I mean, one thing that I

709
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: said before is not overly practicing your responses. So when

710
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: I said, oh, practice, practice, practice, that's important. But what

711
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: we're not going to do is script our responses because

712
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: so many times if you're scripting your response, you're not

713
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: actually listening in that interview. You're waiting to hear trigger

714
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: word to trigger that response that you're going to go

715
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: off on a tangent. And then me, if I'm interviewing you,

716
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to look at you and be like that

717
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: half addresses what I was talking to. But I don't

718
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: think you were listening, and that sounds like a prescripted response.

719
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: What I would actually prefer in an interview situation is

720
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: for you to stop and think about the question that

721
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: I've just asked you. I'm not judge you on your

722
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: response time. Like, something that is really powerful in an

723
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: interview situation is silence. Silence is golden. Yeah, if I

724
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: ask you a question and you take a second to

725
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: think about it, great, you're making considered responses. I think

726
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people in interview circumstances are scared of

727
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: silence and they just feel like, oh my gosh, Beck

728
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: asked me the question, so now I really needed to

729
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: respond really quickly. Otherwise they're going to think I'm silly. No,

730
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna think you're silly if you waffle on and

731
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: on and on. But if you took a moment and

732
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: then had a relatively well articulated response that hit the

733
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: nail on the head to the question you were asked, cool,

734
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: she's a smart individual doing cool things. Silence can be golden.

735
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if it's one or two or three seconds.

736
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: Do you know what's even more powerful? Give me a second.

737
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about that question before. Oh well,

738
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: actually share your thought processes, and I promise, one you'll

739
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: be more confident, but two you'll be able to come

740
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: up with a better res And that does not mean

741
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't think you should practice. I do think you

742
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: should practice. Obviously, rehearsing common interview questions and how to

743
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: respond to them best, that makes you feel confident is

744
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: going to be good. Do it in front of a friend.

745
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: If you don't want to do it in front of

746
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: a friend, do it in front of a mirror, because

747
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: I promise there's nothing more confronting as somebody who does

748
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: a lot of public speaking is listening to yourself and

749
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: practicing in the mirror. Oh my lord, I do not

750
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: like doing that, but I promise it helps get me

751
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: to a point where if I'm then on stage, I'm

752
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: really confident with what I'm delivering because I've seen the

753
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: way my body is acting, I've seen how I'm presenting it.

754
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: And if I'm like hunched over a little bit, I'm

755
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: super aware and I like put my my shoulders back

756
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: and I kind of keep myself in check. But practice

757
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: because it's going to help you clearly articulate your thoughts

758
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: and clearly build confidence in your responses. But I think

759
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: that instead of just being a robot who like flies

760
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: off the handle with a really well articulated response, giving

761
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: it a few seconds. I'm really thinking about the question

762
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: because I promise the question is going to be asked

763
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: in a very different way than what you've practiced. So

764
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: they might say, you know, what are you most passionate about?

765
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: But they'll say it in a different way, and you

766
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: haven't practiced that, and making sure that you're really incorporating

767
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: the question is really important. Something else when it's like

768
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: just psychology, tip I suppose is to reframe the question

769
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: while you're answering that question. So you might go, Hey, Victoria,

770
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: how's your day? And I could respond good, oh, actually, Beck,

771
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: my day has been and kind of respond using the questions.

772
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 1: So one you're reiterating to the interviewer that you heard

773
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: the question correctly. But two, it makes your response sound

774
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot more well round it. It makes you seem

775
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: like you absorbed that question, you took it in, you

776
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: reframed it, and you spat it back out and answered it.

777
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: So instead of me responding yeah, I'm good, you're responding, oh, well,

778
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: actually my day has been really good. And then you can,

779
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: I guess expand on that. It's you're reframing and it's

780
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: literally just a psychology. Do you want to call it

781
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: a technique or just concept reframing? Google it. But it's

782
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: this idea that when you reframe a question that's being

783
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: asked of you, it immediately makes the person that asked

784
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: it of you feel like they are more hurt and

785
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: they are being listened to. Really easy, doesn't take any

786
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: type of intelligence or skill like, but if you reframe it,

787
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: you can make them feel like they're really heard, and

788
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: that's something that requires practice. And you were talking before

789
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: you did an interview where it was role played in

790
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: my degree when I did psychology, or in both of them,

791
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: roleplay it was such a big part of it, and

792
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: it used to make me so uncomfortable, like role play

793
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: with one of my other fellow students, like a counseling situation.

794
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: I hated it. By the end of it, I was

795
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: really really confident with it. But like we did whole

796
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: semester where our job was basically to reframe a question

797
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: right so hard. It sounds really simple, but when you're

798
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: in a situation that is relatively under pressure, like we

799
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 1: could role play a few now, but in the moment,

800
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my gosh, how do I reframe that?

801
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: So it's open ended. How do I reframe that so

802
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: that they feel like their own feelings are being reflected

803
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: while being respectful right, Like can be challenging and that's

804
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: why practice makes perfect, my friend.

805
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. And also just like be yourself

806
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 4: because I feel like a lot of people go in

807
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: there and they are quite maybe like for lack of

808
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: a better term, robotic, and they think that they have

809
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 4: to hide their I don't know their own little quirks

810
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 4: and little things that they do so they can fit

811
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 4: this like cookie cutter mold that they've created in their

812
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 4: own head. But really, just be yourself. Like as you say,

813
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of places do like to

814
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 4: hire for cultural reasons, like they want someone who fits

815
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: their cultural vibe. So being yourself kind of helps them

816
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 4: know you. It helps you know them the way they

817
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 4: respond to you. Like, let's dive deeper into that. I

818
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 4: have ADHD. I have a lot of friends who are

819
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: on the autism spectrum. Like being transparent about that to

820
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 4: begin with, I think is really important. And I think

821
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 4: a lot of the time, having had conversations with my friends,

822
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 4: we hide those things and in reality, those things can

823
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 4: actually be our superpower. Like if there's something you struggle with,

824
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 4: or if there's something that you know, you might be

825
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: on the spicy spectrum. And that's good, same babe, Like

826
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: it's actually one of those things that makes you more you,

827
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 4: but also adds so much value to the culture, to

828
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 4: the business, to having a different perspective, Like that is

829
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: something that I value so highly, and I know lots

830
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 4: of other people do.

831
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you get into super corporate, you know,

832
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too many people offside. They

833
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: might actually want a cookie cutter. And you know what,

834
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: if you pretend to be that cookie cutter, your emotional

835
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: energy going to work every single day is going to

836
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: be so high. You're going to be so burnt out.

837
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: You're not going to enjoy that job at all because

838
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: you're pretending to be somebody you are not. Yes, that's

839
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: not hot, that's not good. That's not good for long

840
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: term career success. Being yourself is so genuinely important, and

841
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean, understand social norms is really important in these circumstances,

842
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: but also being transparent and explaining hey, like you know,

843
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: one of my girlfriends, she's not good at visual cues

844
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: and not good at body language, Like she doesn't read

845
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: body language very well, and sometimes I have to be like, ah, yeah,

846
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: that's bad and she's like oh really. And I think

847
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: explaining something like that at the start and being like, hey,

848
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: this is something I really struggle with. So if I

849
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: seem a little bit like distant or a little bit

850
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: this or a little bit that, like that could be it.

851
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: I promise you I'm really excited to be here. Yea,

852
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: everyone's on the same page. How friggin great.

853
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, the I absolutely love that obviously, you know, asking

854
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: considered questions and being a little bit aware of your

855
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 4: nonverbal communication, like your body language. As you said before,

856
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: V what would you follow up with? What's your last

857
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: tip of the.

858
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: Day again, Fluffy? But I think it matters gratitude. Follow

859
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: up with gratitude both ways, thank yourself for putting your

860
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: best foot forward, and go I did a really good job.

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Speaker 1: And even if you didn't do a good job and

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Speaker 1: you walked out and you're like, oh I ruined that interview,

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00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: you'd be like, I am so glad I showed up

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Speaker 1: for myself. I'm so glad I did that. I learned

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Speaker 1: something today and it was to do that nought again. Like,

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Speaker 1: and I get that because do you know what. We're

867
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Speaker 1: going to have circumstances in life where that happens. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to pretend it's all sunshine and roses,

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Speaker 1: but being gracious and being kind to ourselves is so important.

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Speaker 1: But also after the interview, send a thank you note

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Speaker 1: or an email that expresses your appreciation for the opportunity. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I think just it demonstrates that you're a professional and

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Speaker 1: it leaves a really positive impression. Regardless of how you

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00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: thought the interview went. You think it flunked, thank them

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00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: for the opportunity, you think it went really well, Thank

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Speaker 1: them for the opportunity, you're not sure how it went.

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Speaker 1: Thank them for the opportunity.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, regardless of the outcome, whether you get it or not,

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Speaker 4: thank them for the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's crazy how many people don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Then you're like it's radio silence, Like I get that

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Speaker 1: you're waiting for next steps from the employer, And I mean,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't follow up every single day and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I really grateful for that interview, just wondering what the

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Speaker 1: outcome is. Like, that's not it like sending a really

886
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Speaker 1: nice email following the script of hi Beck, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for taking the time to interview me today.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciated it. Loved getting to know more about your

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Speaker 1: company and to give you the opportunity to learn more

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Speaker 1: about you. Can't wait until we next connect. Yeah, Victoria

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Speaker 1: like something that doesn't And I mean, you're probably not

892
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Speaker 1: going to get a response from this, and I wouldn't

893
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Speaker 1: expect one because if you expect one, you're probably expecting

894
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Speaker 1: a bit too much. Recruiters are really really busy. But

895
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Speaker 1: I promise they'll see that and go, what a breath

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Speaker 1: of fresh air. They're not following up asking for feedback immediately,

897
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Speaker 1: they're not asking for anything. They're just saying, hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: for that. Really appreciated that you took the time to

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Speaker 1: spend it with me. Yeah, because at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, I think a lot of times we walk

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Speaker 1: away from interviews and you know you said it before,

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Speaker 1: you like it was not the right fit for me.

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Speaker 1: It was awful. I don't even know I was there,

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Speaker 1: because you definitely ticked their boxes enough for them to

905
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Speaker 1: want to get to know you. And like, that's a

906
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Speaker 1: really positive step in the right direction. Totally, So even

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't a positive outcome, we are so grateful

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Speaker 1: for the opportunity, because that's going to either be, as

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Speaker 1: my mum would say, a blessing or a lesson.

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Speaker 4: Perfect thing to end on. I love that fee. All right,

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Speaker 4: good luck everyone out there. If you're going to an interview,

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Speaker 4: if you just had one, tell me about that one.

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Speaker 1: Too, Tell me about them in my DM, tell us

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Speaker 1: it's my favorite. Like I love knowing about you guys,

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Speaker 1: I love being part of the community. But then also

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Speaker 1: like I'm your high woman, I promise I've got your.

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Speaker 4: Back me too also, And good luck and go forward

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Speaker 4: with these very wise words.

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Speaker 1: Have a good week, my friends. We will see you

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Speaker 1: on Friday.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

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