Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional owners on which this
Speaker 1: episode is being recorded, the combo marry people. We pay
Speaker 1: our respects to elders past, present and emerging, and extend
Speaker 1: that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples.
Speaker 1: Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the
Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer podcast. This is the podcast where we
Speaker 1: ch have mindset, self development and becoming your higher self
Speaker 1: mix soon with a lot of laughs, plus behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of my life running two businesses and being among
Speaker 1: Think of us as the perfect combo of brunch with
Speaker 1: your besties mixed with self development. No matter where you
Speaker 1: are in your journey, we're here to help you be curious,
Speaker 1: pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness. If you're
Speaker 1: ready to get into the driver's seat of your own
Speaker 1: life and stop letting life pass you by, then you're
Speaker 1: in the right place. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the
Speaker 1: Body and Happy Friday. We hope you have been loving
Speaker 1: these her Story episodes because we have part three or
Speaker 1: four today and we'll be talking about Whitney wolf Hurd,
Speaker 1: who is the founder of Bumble So Exciting, Soboty Exciting,
Speaker 1: God she's she is like, I want to be her
Speaker 1: when I grow up. I love it. So, guys, if
Speaker 1: you didn't know in Her Story series, in each episode
Speaker 1: we share stories of iconic women who have made history
Speaker 1: or who are currently making history. So these women are
Speaker 1: trailblazers in their chosen careers. They're doing things differently, and
Speaker 1: what we do is we unpack the aspects and the
Speaker 1: values that they model in everything they do, and we
Speaker 1: really discuss how we can use them as expanders and
Speaker 1: apply it to our own life. But what this series
Speaker 1: is about is I want we really wanted to provoke
Speaker 1: some thoughts of like what are you leaving behind? Like
Speaker 1: what is your legacy? What is the impact you were
Speaker 1: leaving behind, Like could you do things differently? Could you
Speaker 1: think outside the box? And how you can really push
Speaker 1: yourself out of your comfort zone. Because there's such a
Speaker 1: key theme here with the women we chose, and they
Speaker 1: really are stepping outside of their comfort zone. So this
Speaker 1: episode is really really incredible. Whitney's story is whole, Like
Speaker 1: it's just.
Speaker 2: Like I admire her strength and integrity so much.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, her integrity is just yeah incredible, And I
Speaker 1: think you guys are going to listen and like wow,
Speaker 1: like it's no wonder she was the youngest female who
Speaker 1: took bumble public, like she was a self made billionaire,
Speaker 1: and like she did it with a baby on a hip.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: So it's just so inspiring as well soberly inspiring. But
Speaker 1: before we get into the episode, A Tier Weekly recommendation, Oh,
Speaker 1: do you want.
Speaker 3: To go first?
Speaker 1: No, you go first.
Speaker 2: My recommendation is. I feel like I recommended it on
Speaker 2: the podcast last year, but I'm re recommending it because
Speaker 2: I rewatched it recently. It's a movie called Rise on
Speaker 2: Disney Plus. And if you watched the King Richard movie
Speaker 2: before or after listening to her story EP, and you
Speaker 2: enjoyed that movie, you will love this. It's the story
Speaker 2: of a family who's they're basketballers, so it is another
Speaker 2: sport one but these their parents migrated, not migrated, They
Speaker 2: were refugees from Nigeria and lived in Greece. But these
Speaker 2: three brothers ended up becoming NBA players and it's that
Speaker 2: journey and like it I was in tears again at
Speaker 2: the end. It's one of the best movies I've watched.
Speaker 2: And their stories just so inspiring and like it's like
Speaker 2: goosebumps the entire time because of the level of risk
Speaker 2: this family took, and I just it blows my mind
Speaker 2: every time. So that is my recommendation.
Speaker 1: What is yours? Oh my god, incredible. I have to
Speaker 1: put it on my list. Yeah, you definitely do. My
Speaker 1: recommendation this week is, Look, this is kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks Georgy. But it's like it's gonna be like a
Speaker 1: tears recond there's gonna be like a tears recommendation that
Speaker 1: she got out so bad because it was so basic
Speaker 1: that you guys won't hear it. Kind of similar where
Speaker 1: I had a moment this week where like internally and
Speaker 1: in my personal life, sorry, I had a lot going on.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes I'm a routine person. So my
Speaker 1: routines are like, really what I think is such a
Speaker 1: huge catalyst of like my success, because like I can
Speaker 1: be very disciplined and like when I create a routine,
Speaker 1: like that's it and I show Yeah, And I think,
Speaker 1: really what determines you as a person is how you
Speaker 1: show up in the not so great times. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like that really defines you because we're all gonna
Speaker 1: have not so great times, and if in the not
Speaker 1: so great times, you don't stick to routine and you
Speaker 1: don't show up, you're never going to push for and
Speaker 1: so so true my botes no, but it is. And
Speaker 1: it's yeah, something I've been playing with a lot of
Speaker 1: like how you show up in the shit times is
Speaker 1: really the person you are? Like to the core? WHOA
Speaker 1: don't you think? Yeah, Like it's it's all And I've
Speaker 1: said this, like it's all well and good and the
Speaker 1: good times like for example, like the example I always
Speaker 1: go to a gym, but like it's just easy to explain.
Speaker 1: But it's like when you're you've got like they had
Speaker 1: the best sleep and you had the moon milk the
Speaker 1: night before and you got your clothes out and your
Speaker 1: pre workout's ready and your gym buddies waiting at gym.
Speaker 1: Of course it's easy to go to gym, yeah, but
Speaker 1: when you you know, your babies woking up, or you're
Speaker 1: had a broken sleep, or you got cramps you can't
Speaker 1: cramps or different things, it's like in those moments, how
Speaker 1: do you show up? And it's not always going to
Speaker 1: the gym, but it's just like processing how you show
Speaker 1: up anyway. So that's been what I'm diving deep into
Speaker 1: lately and so bit like, I guess the opposite side
Speaker 1: of that is I had a moment during the week
Speaker 1: where I was going through some different stuff personally and
Speaker 1: I was on the way to gym and I thought,
Speaker 1: what I actually need right now is a beach walk.
Speaker 1: And so I literally was in the car halfway to
Speaker 1: gym and I like turned around and I was like,
Speaker 1: I just need some me time. I need to actually
Speaker 1: be with my thoughts and unpack this. So I don't
Speaker 1: go during the day and kind of and I guess
Speaker 1: it's also like you know, when you kind of just
Speaker 1: put your feelings like under the covers, like you don't
Speaker 1: deal with them. Yep. And that's something I notice I do,
Speaker 1: is I don't deal with them, and then it's enough
Speaker 1: time that I just kind of forget or get over it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I've been really trying to unpack when I
Speaker 1: have the feelings and also like honor myself where I'm at.
Speaker 1: So like in that moment, I was like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to go to gym today and just pretend
Speaker 1: it's okay. I'm going to go to the beach process unpack,
Speaker 1: and then I'm going to show up at work and
Speaker 1: that's what I needed to do in that moment because
Speaker 1: I had some serious stuff that I need to shop for,
Speaker 1: work for.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like, do you see like the discernment then
Speaker 1: of it's not always go to gym, it's like the opposite,
Speaker 1: but that's still in integrity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like honoring yourself and prioritizing your inner self.
Speaker 1: And that's going to look different. Sometimes it is, Oh,
Speaker 1: let's just go up and get to gym, and then
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, oh, I actually just need to feel
Speaker 1: my feelings and process this and take some time for myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that, and I just, yeah, I'd never really
Speaker 1: done that before. I'm usually just like, let's go to
Speaker 1: gym and let's hide my feelings and just carry like
Speaker 1: plow forward. Yeah, but I'm really proud of myself for
Speaker 1: doing that. And so I want to with you guys.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's get into the episode.
Speaker 3: You're gonna love this guys.
Speaker 2: All right, So I thought we'd tell the story of
Speaker 2: Whitney wolf Herd, who is the founder of Bumble.
Speaker 1: I fucking love Whitney.
Speaker 2: She's amazing, isn't she.
Speaker 1: She is so amazing. I'm so excited to this app.
Speaker 2: Mean too, I loved researching this.
Speaker 1: Let's get straight into her.
Speaker 2: So there's not much really known or covered about her upbringing,
Speaker 2: so I thought we'd just jumped straight to when she
Speaker 2: went to college, which is UNI here yep. So she
Speaker 2: majored in international studies and actually started two businesses while
Speaker 2: she was in college. The first was at the age
Speaker 2: of twenty, where she sold bamboo tote bags to help
Speaker 2: benefit areas that had been affected by the BP oil spill.
Speaker 2: The bags actually received national press after celebrities like Nicole
Speaker 2: Ritchie was seen.
Speaker 1: Wearing them, which blows my mind.
Speaker 2: Like, imagine being twenty and having Nicole Richie, where your
Speaker 2: tote bag that you just started selling at UNI. And
Speaker 2: then soon after that she started a second business with
Speaker 2: a celebrity stylist called Tender Heart. So that was a
Speaker 2: clothing line dedicated to raising awareness around human trafficking and
Speaker 2: fair trade. And after graduating, she traveled to Southeast Asia
Speaker 2: where she worked with orphanages. I know, what a gorgeous
Speaker 2: human being, such a beautiful human and I love that,
Speaker 2: Like helping others was such a central part of.
Speaker 1: And you can see that from her whole story, like continuously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is why we love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now we're gonna jump to twenty twelve, where
Speaker 2: at the age of twenty two, she joined a startup
Speaker 2: called hatch Lapse. So this project didn't actually go to
Speaker 2: plan and ended up being somewhat abandoned, but it is
Speaker 2: where she met Sean rad and Chris Gulsinski. I apologize
Speaker 2: if my pronunciation is not good.
Speaker 1: Who you're around Frances.
Speaker 2: Who later became the development team for Tinder. So the
Speaker 2: initial name of Tinder was actually Matchbox, Inc. And Whitney
Speaker 2: was appointed the vice president of marketing and has now
Speaker 2: been credited for coming up with the name Tinder and
Speaker 2: actually fueling the apps popularity on college campuses and growing
Speaker 2: its use base.
Speaker 1: What is like Tinder?
Speaker 2: Mean, Tinder is like the fire starter, so they call
Speaker 2: it it's like a I don't know if it's dried leaves,
Speaker 2: So it's what fuels a fire and helps it start.
Speaker 1: So smart. Yeah, so clever.
Speaker 2: So I think it went from Matchbox, but they had
Speaker 2: the flame logo. So that's where she got the name
Speaker 2: Tinder from. Okay, which was super clever. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember reading about she had so many interesting
Speaker 1: like marketing techniques that were all around kind of like
Speaker 1: gorilla marketing. Yeah, but it's like all around the campus.
Speaker 1: But she just did things in such a unique way
Speaker 1: that it was such a catalyst to Tinder doing so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's and so she actually ended up being I
Speaker 2: think called a co founder, which was a big deal
Speaker 2: because I don't think she was initially. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: the next part of this story that I will tell
Speaker 2: has been alleged and not confirmed, but I think it's
Speaker 2: important to provide some context as to what could have happened. So,
Speaker 2: she started dating one of her fellow co founders, Justin,
Speaker 2: and after the relationship sort of went a bit sour,
Speaker 2: she ended up filing for sexual harassment against him, and
Speaker 2: her lawsuit alleged that she'd been called a slut and
Speaker 2: a liar after she and Justin had broken up in
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. It also stated that he became verbally controlling
Speaker 2: and abusive in the months following the split, which is
Speaker 2: really intense considering they worked together in such a close proximity.
Speaker 2: So former employees of Tinder told Time magazine that Whitney
Speaker 2: was told to shut up by executives and bring breakfast
Speaker 2: to them and another source told the outlet that she'd
Speaker 2: been supposedly spit at by someone at a party, a
Speaker 2: work party.
Speaker 1: That is so disgusting, It's.
Speaker 2: Literally so gross, and I can't believe like a woman
Speaker 2: was treated that way in such an environment. And obviously,
Speaker 2: so that's the end of the allegations. Everything else after
Speaker 2: this has been confirmed. So what we do definitely know
Speaker 2: is that she left Tinder under questionable circumstances in twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen after filing that sexual harassment lawsuit against the company,
Speaker 2: and while she's legally unable to talk about what she
Speaker 2: went through at Tinder, the lawsuit was settled for over
Speaker 2: a million dollars without an admission of wrongdoing from Tinder's side,
Speaker 2: and Sean rad one of the co founders, then stepped
Speaker 2: down as Tinder CEO, and wolf Hurd did open up
Speaker 2: about the experience in twenty fifteen in an interview with
Speaker 2: Business Insider, saying I don't wish for anyone to go
Speaker 2: through that, especially right as you're turning twenty five.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So she was so incredibly young, when almost my age
Speaker 2: when she entered the environment and left a couple of
Speaker 2: years later when she was twenty five, and I can't
Speaker 2: imagine having to go through that and deal with that.
Speaker 2: And I admire her for really sticking to her guns
Speaker 2: and staying true to herself and going, no, I'm worth
Speaker 2: more than this, you can't treat me this way. I
Speaker 2: also think it's so important to add of like she
Speaker 2: started that sexual harassment so when she was still working there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just think like that is you know,
Speaker 1: so many people may have been like, it's just easier
Speaker 1: if I don't make out like a fuss. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: I don't ruffle any feathers. But sn you know, will
Speaker 1: continue to see in her story she is someone who's like, no,
Speaker 1: this is wrong, and I'm going to make a stand.
Speaker 1: And I just think that is so brave, so brave,
Speaker 1: so brave, and so incredible that she did do that
Speaker 1: knowing that people were going to know and treat her differently,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, sticking to her guns. I love her
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: And so after she left Tinder, she actually started the
Speaker 2: process of developing another app, which centered around women being
Speaker 2: able to compliment each other, because she'd faced so much
Speaker 2: harassment online and at work, and she'd also been unhappy
Speaker 2: with how some women did get treated through Tinder and
Speaker 2: how it easily allowed that to happen, and the app
Speaker 2: was going to be called Mercy, which I think.
Speaker 1: Is really cute. Mercy Yes, so sweet.
Speaker 2: In that process, though, she was approached by Andre Andre,
Speaker 2: an investor in businessman from London, and he suggested that
Speaker 2: she actually start her own dating app, but after her experience,
Speaker 2: she said, I'm really not interested in doing that unless
Speaker 2: women can have complete control.
Speaker 1: Unless it's on my term. Yeah, of how women are
Speaker 1: treated exactly, which I just I love her.
Speaker 2: I know, like imagine leaving Tinder and then having someone
Speaker 2: approach you and being like, hey, like I'll fund a
Speaker 2: dating app, or just being saying back to them, oh,
Speaker 2: like that's so fine, but.
Speaker 1: We're going to do it my way. Yeah, but you're
Speaker 1: giving me buddy, but it's my way, yeah, my way
Speaker 1: in a way.
Speaker 2: So in December twenty fourteen, quite a quick turnaround from
Speaker 2: when she left Tinder, Bumble started being developed. And so
Speaker 2: for anyone who may not know, Bumble is a dating
Speaker 2: app where women get to make the first move, so
Speaker 2: you're able to match with guys, but they can't actually
Speaker 2: message you unless you message them first. So I also
Speaker 2: really love how she almost reframed that narrative around women
Speaker 2: messaging guys first from being needy.
Speaker 1: I love. I love this so much. It's also like,
Speaker 1: not only is she protecting women, because we all know
Speaker 1: the world of men sending inappropriate messages or photos or
Speaker 1: just I know as well, like it's a thing on
Speaker 1: dating apps is like they'll just send a message literally
Speaker 1: to everyone, and the same one and the same one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just to like, you know, see if anyone's barden. Yeah,
Speaker 1: see if there's a nibble. And I love that she
Speaker 1: really created a safe place that's on the internet, which
Speaker 1: is a bit unheard of on the Internet because it's
Speaker 1: like wild West, Like she had so much intentionality around it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. And it's like protecting women and
Speaker 2: empowering them at the same time, yes.
Speaker 1: Which I love.
Speaker 2: And so she'd actually initially planned to call Bumble Moxie,
Speaker 2: but the app had been taken already. The name had
Speaker 2: been taken already.
Speaker 1: What's Moxie mean?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: Why do I not know the meaning of anything this
Speaker 1: whole series? What does it even mean?
Speaker 2: Moxie means force of character, determination or nerve.
Speaker 1: I really love that. Love that she said Moxie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a muxigout what a muxigout, Let's start using that
Speaker 1: on the CUSP.
Speaker 2: So by December twenty fifteen, the app had already reached
Speaker 2: fifteen a million conversations and eighteen million matches, which is
Speaker 2: insane in a year to think it grew that much.
Speaker 2: And in an interview with Time. In an interview with
Speaker 2: Time the night before her IPO so when her company
Speaker 2: went public, Whitney said, honestly, my ambition comes from abusive relationships.
Speaker 2: I've never had this healthy male relationship until I created it.
Speaker 2: I engineered an ecosystem of healthy male relationships in my life.
Speaker 2: Just what a quote. At the time of the IPO
Speaker 2: Bumble was valued at over thirteen billion dollars. Still, the
Speaker 2: money was never the end goal for her. It was
Speaker 2: prioritizing women and their needs, desires, and aspirations. Whitney Wolf
Speaker 2: heard is now the youngest woman to ever take a
Speaker 2: company to IPO on Nastak, which is the American stock exchange,
Speaker 2: and opened it with her one year old son on
Speaker 2: her hip. On Twitter that day, she said, this is
Speaker 2: only possible thanks to more the more than one point
Speaker 2: seven billion first moves made by brave women on our
Speaker 2: app and the pioneering women who paved the way for
Speaker 2: us in the business world. To everyone who made today possible.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh my god, I want to cry full
Speaker 1: body shivers. She's just incredible. She's so incredible.
Speaker 2: And what do you really love about her?
Speaker 1: I think, like, first of all her because I remember
Speaker 1: when I was doing some research too of her saying
Speaker 1: she had really toxic relationships up like her whole early twenties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know her even saying like this was because
Speaker 1: of the abusive relationships. And I just love that she
Speaker 1: turned her mess into her message and it was not
Speaker 1: in spite because I don't want to use that word,
Speaker 1: but she was like, no, this is this happened to me,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to use it as fuel to create
Speaker 1: something better, to create this legacy that like leaves women
Speaker 1: better off because I wasn't treated right, like the bravery
Speaker 1: and just the I want to say audacity, but like
Speaker 1: you know, audacity in a good way. Yeah, the audacity
Speaker 1: to just like be treated like that continuously and still
Speaker 1: show up of No, I'm still going to be a
Speaker 1: good person. Yeah, And I'm actually going to create my
Speaker 1: own boundaries and my own world where I get to
Speaker 1: be treated differently.
Speaker 2: Exactly like that quote, she engineered an ecosystem around her
Speaker 2: of men that treated her right. And I think that
Speaker 2: that's almost such an expander in like, if you have
Speaker 2: shitty people around you, you can change that. You do
Speaker 2: have the power to change that. You just have to
Speaker 2: be comfortable with letting them go in the first place,
Speaker 2: and being uncomfortable, because I guaran I would bet anything
Speaker 2: that when she filed that sexual harassment claim, whils still
Speaker 2: working in that environment. It was not good, It was
Speaker 2: not comfortable, and she needed to get out, but she
Speaker 2: stuck it out so that she got out in the
Speaker 2: best way for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love it too, because sometimes you know, when we're
Speaker 1: treated a certain way and we're conditioned to like get
Speaker 1: treated like that continuously, we accept it. Yeah, And so
Speaker 1: for her to literally be like, no, I'm not accepting
Speaker 1: this and I'm actually going to make sure this doesn't
Speaker 1: happen to other people is so incredible and so powerful,
Speaker 1: so powerful, and exactly what you said, like, if you
Speaker 1: don't like the people you're around, or if you don't
Speaker 1: like how you're being treated, having that kind of I
Speaker 1: get to actually change that, and it might be uncomfortable
Speaker 1: for a bit, but it actually gets to turn out
Speaker 1: amazing and in the long run be so worth it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I'm sure she obviously no one wants to
Speaker 2: go through toxic or abusive relationships, but I'm sure she's
Speaker 2: glad she learned what she did from it. And it's
Speaker 2: almost like what you say where you can't mess it up, Like,
Speaker 2: no matter what you do, you can't mess it up.
Speaker 2: Another thing about her that I just admire so much
Speaker 2: is how integral she was throughout everything she did, and
Speaker 2: her value on supporting and protecting and empowering women was
Speaker 2: just a constant theme. And if what she was doing
Speaker 2: didn't fit that she left or she put her foot down,
Speaker 2: like to that investment and she's like, sure, i'll do
Speaker 2: a dating app with you, but it's going to be
Speaker 2: on my terms. And my terms is that the females
Speaker 2: are put first, the women are put first. And that
Speaker 2: takes a lot of guts when she's quote unquote at
Speaker 2: her lowest staff to leaving Tinder and doing a different
Speaker 2: kind of startup that's maybe not working out, but to
Speaker 2: still be so true to who you are and not
Speaker 2: worry about the money and not worry about what society
Speaker 2: is going to think of you, but she very much
Speaker 2: prioritizes what she thinks of herself over what anyone else did.
Speaker 1: I love that this has come up too, because that's
Speaker 1: even something that I've been playing with a lot right now,
Speaker 1: of the integrity of does your internal integrity match your
Speaker 1: external reality? So does how you you know, want to
Speaker 1: have boundaries or how you want to treat yourself and
Speaker 1: how you want to treat others? Does that actually get
Speaker 1: you know, is that actually a portrayal of what your
Speaker 1: life is like?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: If that makes sense, because I think sometimes we think
Speaker 1: we have these values, and we think we have these priorities,
Speaker 1: and we think we you know, want life in a
Speaker 1: certain way, and we really believe in something, but when
Speaker 1: we actually look at our life, and I know I've
Speaker 1: been saying this a lot and podcasts of like how
Speaker 1: you do one thing is how you do everything? Being
Speaker 1: really is what I'm wanting inside actually matching my reality
Speaker 1: and how I'm doing life. And I love that, Like
Speaker 1: integrity is such a huge theme in her story because
Speaker 1: you can see she has used that as a compass
Speaker 1: for every step and it's obviously hugely paid off, just
Speaker 1: so beautiful because it didn't always like seem bright or
Speaker 1: it didn't always look at like the right decision to
Speaker 1: make outwardly, but she's like locked into her integrity, her
Speaker 1: intuition and going, no, I need to do this for me,
Speaker 1: and in the long run, obviously it's worked out fucking incredible.
Speaker 3: Really really well.
Speaker 1: I love that so much because I think so many
Speaker 1: of us we can have this view of who we
Speaker 1: are and how we see the world and how we
Speaker 1: interact with people and just how we do life. But
Speaker 1: it's like, if you got really honest, are you acting
Speaker 1: in integrity?
Speaker 2: I think where a lot of people might trip up
Speaker 2: on that is you'll have these values that mean so
Speaker 2: much to you, but it's not reflected in one your
Speaker 2: external world, but also the people you surround yourself with,
Speaker 2: because I noticed that, Like, you'll have friends or some
Speaker 2: of my friends' friends, they'll be like, oh, I'm like this,
Speaker 2: and I'm like that, But then they'll be friends with
Speaker 2: maybe someone who's like politics is just a really easy
Speaker 2: way to explain it, where they're like very eco conscious
Speaker 2: and that sort of stuff, but they're friends with someone
Speaker 2: who's maybe very right wing, who doesn't really care about
Speaker 2: climate change, And this is just a very base example,
Speaker 2: but they're like, oh, don't worry about them, like they're
Speaker 2: still okay, Like it's fine, and I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: you can't be friends with that person, but it's almost
Speaker 2: just like how true to your values are you if
Speaker 2: you're surrounding yourself or mixing in circles or maybe working
Speaker 2: at a p place that doesn't value your values.
Speaker 1: That is so powerful And that's so a lot of
Speaker 1: people will be listening and being like, oh, it's uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: it's just throw and shame. No. I love that, And
Speaker 1: that's a really powerful question. And I think guys, like
Speaker 1: in these episodes, we are asking you really strong questions,
Speaker 1: and I really I don't want anyone to just notice
Speaker 1: yourself if you're getting like defensive or you're arcing up,
Speaker 1: because it's just about being curious. Yeah, I mean curious
Speaker 1: curious about this. In the office, we do this thing
Speaker 1: because my coach has been telling me, like, the best
Speaker 1: frequency you can shift into is curiosity rather than you know,
Speaker 1: shame or doubt or guilt. So like, anytime I got
Speaker 1: because I tend to go to shame straight away. Anytime
Speaker 1: I'm like about shame myself or think I'm wrong or
Speaker 1: this and that, or think they're wrong. I go into
Speaker 1: curiosity and I'm like, that's so interesting. What is this
Speaker 1: bringing up inside me? So anything we say during you know,
Speaker 1: this series especially, these are literally thought provoking episodes for
Speaker 1: you guys to think, this is so interesting, Like is
Speaker 1: there something here that comes up? So I love that
Speaker 1: you said that a Tia, yeah, because even I was like, hmm,
Speaker 1: it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think like there'll always be an excuse
Speaker 2: as to why you can't because you might have a
Speaker 2: family member that disagrees with you, or a friend, or
Speaker 2: you're working in a place where the values that you
Speaker 2: hold true to yourself aren't really amplified in your workplace,
Speaker 2: and it's uncomfortable to bring that up. And it's uncomfortable
Speaker 2: to say to someone or something or anything that hey, like,
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna have to remove myself because I'm my
Speaker 2: values are not being honored here, yeah, or I'm not
Speaker 2: acting in integrity, and it's very uncomfortable to tell someone like, hey, like,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have to keep my distance because like
Speaker 2: your political beliefs really just don't align with what I believe,
Speaker 2: or you're the way you treat others even though you're
Speaker 2: nice to me. Everyone has that friend that's that's nice
Speaker 2: to them but mean to other people. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it's just like, do you really like even though
Speaker 2: they're nice to you, that's great, But do you want
Speaker 2: that energy, that frequency, that person in your space if
Speaker 2: they amplify that to others because it's always a reflection
Speaker 2: of you in the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's so incredible, And that's such a
Speaker 1: good you know, it's such a good question to ask
Speaker 1: yourself and just sit with and just be like, this
Speaker 1: is so interesting of am I actually being integral with
Speaker 1: the things I do or do? I pick and choose
Speaker 1: what's easiest and more comfortable for me and then call
Speaker 1: myself integral. I feel like we're all guilty up there,
Speaker 1: like I need to go under an off. So integrity
Speaker 1: is just that. Yeah, it's amazing. I Also, my favorite
Speaker 1: thing in Whitney's story is just the pushing back on
Speaker 1: society norms, because even when she was in college and
Speaker 1: like you know, first started Tinder and then you know,
Speaker 1: with bumble and stuff. I even remember hearing about bumble
Speaker 1: and obviously you know, this was what ten norm so
Speaker 1: years ago and hearing about it and thinking so so
Speaker 1: interesting because all I had heard about dating apps was
Speaker 1: just like gross things.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I even remember thinking, oh my god, that's so interesting,
Speaker 1: that's so different. I do admire and love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I just love that she literally did something that
Speaker 1: was so opposite to what was happening at the moment,
Speaker 1: and even like I very much resonate with Naked Harvest
Speaker 1: and bringing like supplements to the industry that were female focus. Yes,
Speaker 1: because you know, like when we started Naked Haus, like
Speaker 1: females just weren't a theme. Like it was either supplements
Speaker 1: that were for juicy males who you know, had the
Speaker 1: muscles and the lightning bolts and the five hundred tubs
Speaker 1: with red then five hundred meg of caffeine that would
Speaker 1: like fuck you up, or it was the natural supplements,
Speaker 1: but they were like so boring looking and they tasted
Speaker 1: like dirt.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember thinking what is happening right now and seeing
Speaker 1: such a gap in the market of No, I want
Speaker 1: supplements that taste good. I want them to be natural,
Speaker 1: I want them to be clean, and I also fucking
Speaker 1: want them to be pretty. Yeah, and I want them
Speaker 1: to be for a female because I'm so sick of
Speaker 1: having to take half serves because you haven't thought about me.
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh, so true.
Speaker 1: And I remember having that thought, and then you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Naked Harvest has been able to carve a spot
Speaker 1: in the industry, and I truly believe that has so
Speaker 1: much to do with how we've been able to grow fast.
Speaker 1: So it's like even thinking about, you know, in your
Speaker 1: life or your business, of like where are you just
Speaker 1: following the grain and it doesn't actually serve you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And this I've had a huge journey with this and
Speaker 1: being a working mum and being really confused about how
Speaker 1: I should do life, how I should feel. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't until I took my power back and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: I actually get to decide what my norm is and
Speaker 1: what my narrative is going to be.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes we give that away and we think, sure,
Speaker 1: oh no, but everyone does it this way, so I
Speaker 1: have to do it this way. But I'm fucking really
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: And it's so true.
Speaker 1: And even like we're just conditioned, like there would be
Speaker 1: things that you haven't even thought about doing differently because
Speaker 1: you're just so conditioned that that's the way we do
Speaker 1: things so true.
Speaker 2: I think for me that was definitely like you go
Speaker 2: to school, you go to UNI, you.
Speaker 1: Get a job, Yeah, that's your life, yeap.
Speaker 2: And like working where I've worked is just sort of
Speaker 2: opened my mind to like that's not your life, Like
Speaker 2: that doesn't have to be your life if it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel right. And people just being more open to following
Speaker 2: their intuition over what society tells them, and just getting
Speaker 2: really clear on like your big life, your goals, your priorities,
Speaker 2: and that's something that Whitney really was so clear on
Speaker 2: from such a young age, which blows my mind. I
Speaker 2: love it and it just has not faulted. And she's
Speaker 2: used that as like you said, the measuring stick the
Speaker 2: compass for where she wants to go, and that's what
Speaker 2: propelled her so fast. And I think for me, like
Speaker 2: I really got clear on that and I'll do it
Speaker 2: for you if you just love of course in Jaen, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I know so many other people did, and like
Speaker 2: getting into that practice of like constantly auditing and checking
Speaker 2: and checking in with your values, with who you are,
Speaker 2: with your buckets, your priorities. Are you happy where you
Speaker 2: are or do you need to make a shift and
Speaker 2: not just waiting for like a new week or a
Speaker 2: new year or anything like that. Like it's you can
Speaker 2: do it at any time and it's important and the
Speaker 2: earlier you do.
Speaker 1: It the better. I love that so much. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's even something like just going back to the working
Speaker 1: month thing. Ps. I fucking love that she had her
Speaker 1: one year old, I know, and she was just like,
Speaker 1: I'm a bossan. Yeah, that was so iconic. Literally, I
Speaker 1: hope that we'll obviously put that in the trailer because
Speaker 1: that was so iconic. That's even something I've thought about
Speaker 1: because in these episodes, we really want you guys to
Speaker 1: think about like what legacy are you leaving behind? And
Speaker 1: obviously the women we're talking about like they're literally leaving
Speaker 1: a legacy that people are talking about globally, but even
Speaker 1: just like, for example, something I think about is with
Speaker 1: my legacy of what's Ivy going to talk about to
Speaker 1: her friends about her mum? Do you mean your legacy
Speaker 1: doesn't mean how you're going to make a news or
Speaker 1: impact the most amount of people, but just even the
Speaker 1: people in your life. It can just be your immediate
Speaker 1: family or your intimate family, and it's like, what are
Speaker 1: they going to say about you and how you led
Speaker 1: your life. Did you just do what everyone else is
Speaker 1: doing or did you go against the grain because you
Speaker 1: listen to your intuition and you trusted your intuition and
Speaker 1: led with integrity. Yeah, because you can like you can
Speaker 1: feel that, everyone around you can feel that, and it's
Speaker 1: like it's not necessarily always about doing the big thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's about the small things, but how impactful they
Speaker 1: actually are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my gosh, I love that so much. I
Speaker 2: think we might need to give the listeners of this
Speaker 2: episode a little do It for your Future Self course.
Speaker 2: Of course. I think we should, just because I think
Speaker 2: that course really helped me to get clear on that.
Speaker 1: And it's so happy that you literally work for R
Speaker 1: and C and you do like that was life changing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: No, I loved it so much too. And okay, like,
Speaker 1: do you want to just do a random Let's okay, guys,
Speaker 1: use the code Bumble and we'll give you an amazing
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Speaker 1: you do want to get clear.
Speaker 2: That's such a good idea and I think just ps,
Speaker 2: this episode was not sponsored by Bumble.
Speaker 1: But please come and sponsor a series. That would be amazing.
Speaker 2: We'd love to.
Speaker 1: Hi love it well, this episode was amazing to chat
Speaker 1: about it. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much to Tear for researching and telling us all
Speaker 1: about the amazing Whitney. This was superb Bye everybody, Thank
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