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Speaker 1: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional owners on which this

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Speaker 1: Today I'm your host, Georgie Stevenson, and this is the

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Speaker 1: Rise and Conquer podcast. This is the podcast where we

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Speaker 1: ch have mindset, self development and becoming your higher self

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Speaker 1: scenes of my life running two businesses and being among

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Speaker 1: Think of us as the perfect combo of brunch with

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Speaker 1: your besties mixed with self development. No matter where you

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Speaker 1: are in your journey, we're here to help you be curious,

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Speaker 1: pull yourself out, and embrace radical self awareness. If you're

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Speaker 1: in the right place. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 1: Body and Happy Friday. We hope you have been loving

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Speaker 1: these her Story episodes because we have part three or

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Speaker 1: four today and we'll be talking about Whitney wolf Hurd,

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Speaker 1: who is the founder of Bumble So Exciting, Soboty Exciting,

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Speaker 1: God she's she is like, I want to be her

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Speaker 1: when I grow up. I love it. So, guys, if

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Speaker 1: you didn't know in Her Story series, in each episode

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Speaker 1: we share stories of iconic women who have made history

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Speaker 1: trailblazers in their chosen careers. They're doing things differently, and

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Speaker 1: episode is really really incredible. Whitney's story is whole, Like

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Speaker 2: Like I admire her strength and integrity so much.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, her integrity is just yeah incredible, And I

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Speaker 1: like it's no wonder she was the youngest female who

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Speaker 1: So it's just so inspiring as well soberly inspiring. But

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Speaker 1: before we get into the episode, A Tier Weekly recommendation, Oh,

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Speaker 2: My recommendation is. I feel like I recommended it on

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Speaker 2: All right, So I thought we'd tell the story of

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Speaker 2: Whitney wolf Herd, who is the founder of Bumble.

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Speaker 1: I fucking love Whitney.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh my god, I want to cry full

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Speaker 2: Exactly like that quote, she engineered an ecosystem around her

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Speaker 1: If that makes sense, because I think sometimes we think

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Speaker 2: of my friends' friends, they'll be like, oh, I'm like this,

439
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Speaker 2: and I'm like that, But then they'll be friends with

440
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Speaker 2: maybe someone who's like politics is just a really easy

441
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Speaker 2: way to explain it, where they're like very eco conscious

442
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Speaker 2: and that sort of stuff, but they're friends with someone

443
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Speaker 2: who's maybe very right wing, who doesn't really care about

444
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Speaker 2: climate change, And this is just a very base example,

445
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: but they're like, oh, don't worry about them, like they're

446
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: still okay, Like it's fine, and I'm not saying that

447
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 2: you can't be friends with that person, but it's almost

448
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: just like how true to your values are you if

449
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Speaker 2: you're surrounding yourself or mixing in circles or maybe working

450
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Speaker 2: at a p place that doesn't value your values.

451
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Speaker 1: That is so powerful And that's so a lot of

452
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: people will be listening and being like, oh, it's uncomfortable,

453
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: it's just throw and shame. No. I love that, And

454
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 1: that's a really powerful question. And I think guys, like

455
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: in these episodes, we are asking you really strong questions,

456
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: and I really I don't want anyone to just notice

457
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: yourself if you're getting like defensive or you're arcing up,

458
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: because it's just about being curious. Yeah, I mean curious

459
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: curious about this. In the office, we do this thing

460
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Speaker 1: because my coach has been telling me, like, the best

461
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: frequency you can shift into is curiosity rather than you know,

462
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: shame or doubt or guilt. So like, anytime I got

463
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Speaker 1: because I tend to go to shame straight away. Anytime

464
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Speaker 1: I'm like about shame myself or think I'm wrong or

465
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 1: this and that, or think they're wrong. I go into

466
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: curiosity and I'm like, that's so interesting. What is this

467
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: bringing up inside me? So anything we say during you know,

468
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Speaker 1: this series especially, these are literally thought provoking episodes for

469
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: you guys to think, this is so interesting, Like is

470
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Speaker 1: there something here that comes up? So I love that

471
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Speaker 1: you said that a Tia, yeah, because even I was like, hmm,

472
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: it's so interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think like there'll always be an excuse

474
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Speaker 2: as to why you can't because you might have a

475
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Speaker 2: family member that disagrees with you, or a friend, or

476
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Speaker 2: you're working in a place where the values that you

477
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Speaker 2: hold true to yourself aren't really amplified in your workplace,

478
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Speaker 2: and it's uncomfortable to bring that up. And it's uncomfortable

479
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: to say to someone or something or anything that hey, like,

480
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Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna have to remove myself because I'm my

481
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: values are not being honored here, yeah, or I'm not

482
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Speaker 2: acting in integrity, and it's very uncomfortable to tell someone like, hey, like,

483
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna have to keep my distance because like

484
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: your political beliefs really just don't align with what I believe,

485
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Speaker 2: or you're the way you treat others even though you're

486
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: nice to me. Everyone has that friend that's that's nice

487
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: to them but mean to other people. Oh my god. Yeah,

488
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: And it's just like, do you really like even though

489
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: they're nice to you, that's great, But do you want

490
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Speaker 2: that energy, that frequency, that person in your space if

491
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: they amplify that to others because it's always a reflection

492
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Speaker 2: of you in the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's so incredible, And that's such a

494
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Speaker 1: good you know, it's such a good question to ask

495
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: yourself and just sit with and just be like, this

496
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 1: is so interesting of am I actually being integral with

497
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: the things I do or do? I pick and choose

498
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: what's easiest and more comfortable for me and then call

499
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Speaker 1: myself integral. I feel like we're all guilty up there,

500
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: like I need to go under an off. So integrity

501
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 1: is just that. Yeah, it's amazing. I Also, my favorite

502
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: thing in Whitney's story is just the pushing back on

503
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Speaker 1: society norms, because even when she was in college and

504
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: like you know, first started Tinder and then you know,

505
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Speaker 1: with bumble and stuff. I even remember hearing about bumble

506
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: and obviously you know, this was what ten norm so

507
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: years ago and hearing about it and thinking so so

508
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: interesting because all I had heard about dating apps was

509
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: just like gross things.

510
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

511
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Speaker 1: So I even remember thinking, oh my god, that's so interesting,

512
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: that's so different. I do admire and love that. Yeah,

513
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: And I just love that she literally did something that

514
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: was so opposite to what was happening at the moment,

515
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: and even like I very much resonate with Naked Harvest

516
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: and bringing like supplements to the industry that were female focus. Yes,

517
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: because you know, like when we started Naked Haus, like

518
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: females just weren't a theme. Like it was either supplements

519
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: that were for juicy males who you know, had the

520
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Speaker 1: muscles and the lightning bolts and the five hundred tubs

521
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: with red then five hundred meg of caffeine that would

522
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: like fuck you up, or it was the natural supplements,

523
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: but they were like so boring looking and they tasted

524
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Speaker 1: like dirt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember thinking what is happening right now and seeing

527
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Speaker 1: such a gap in the market of No, I want

528
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Speaker 1: supplements that taste good. I want them to be natural,

529
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Speaker 1: I want them to be clean, and I also fucking

530
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Speaker 1: want them to be pretty. Yeah, and I want them

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Speaker 1: to be for a female because I'm so sick of

532
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: having to take half serves because you haven't thought about me.

533
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: Yes, Oh my gosh, so true.

534
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Speaker 1: And I remember having that thought, and then you know,

535
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: obviously Naked Harvest has been able to carve a spot

536
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Speaker 1: in the industry, and I truly believe that has so

537
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: much to do with how we've been able to grow fast.

538
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Speaker 1: So it's like even thinking about, you know, in your

539
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: life or your business, of like where are you just

540
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: following the grain and it doesn't actually serve you. Yeah,

541
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Speaker 1: And this I've had a huge journey with this and

542
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Speaker 1: being a working mum and being really confused about how

543
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I should do life, how I should feel. And it

544
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: wasn't until I took my power back and I was like, wait,

545
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 1: I actually get to decide what my norm is and

546
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: what my narrative is going to be.

547
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And I think sometimes we give that away and we think, sure,

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Speaker 1: oh no, but everyone does it this way, so I

550
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: have to do it this way. But I'm fucking really

551
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: about it.

552
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: And it's so true.

553
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: And even like we're just conditioned, like there would be

554
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: things that you haven't even thought about doing differently because

555
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: you're just so conditioned that that's the way we do

556
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: things so true.

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Speaker 2: I think for me that was definitely like you go

558
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: to school, you go to UNI, you.

559
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: Get a job, Yeah, that's your life, yeap.

560
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: And like working where I've worked is just sort of

561
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: opened my mind to like that's not your life, Like

562
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't have to be your life if it doesn't

563
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Speaker 2: feel right. And people just being more open to following

564
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 2: their intuition over what society tells them, and just getting

565
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Speaker 2: really clear on like your big life, your goals, your priorities,

566
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Speaker 2: and that's something that Whitney really was so clear on

567
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Speaker 2: from such a young age, which blows my mind. I

568
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: love it and it just has not faulted. And she's

569
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Speaker 2: used that as like you said, the measuring stick the

570
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: compass for where she wants to go, and that's what

571
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 2: propelled her so fast. And I think for me, like

572
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: I really got clear on that and I'll do it

573
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: for you if you just love of course in Jaen, Yeah,

574
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Speaker 2: and I know so many other people did, and like

575
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: getting into that practice of like constantly auditing and checking

576
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: and checking in with your values, with who you are,

577
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: with your buckets, your priorities. Are you happy where you

578
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 2: are or do you need to make a shift and

579
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: not just waiting for like a new week or a

580
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: new year or anything like that. Like it's you can

581
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: do it at any time and it's important and the

582
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: earlier you do.

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Speaker 1: It the better. I love that so much. Yeah, and

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00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: that's even something like just going back to the working

585
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Speaker 1: month thing. Ps. I fucking love that she had her

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Speaker 1: one year old, I know, and she was just like,

587
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 1: I'm a bossan. Yeah, that was so iconic. Literally, I

588
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: hope that we'll obviously put that in the trailer because

589
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: that was so iconic. That's even something I've thought about

590
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Speaker 1: because in these episodes, we really want you guys to

591
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Speaker 1: think about like what legacy are you leaving behind? And

592
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: obviously the women we're talking about like they're literally leaving

593
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Speaker 1: a legacy that people are talking about globally, but even

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Speaker 1: just like, for example, something I think about is with

595
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Speaker 1: my legacy of what's Ivy going to talk about to

596
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: her friends about her mum? Do you mean your legacy

597
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: doesn't mean how you're going to make a news or

598
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Speaker 1: impact the most amount of people, but just even the

599
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: people in your life. It can just be your immediate

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Speaker 1: family or your intimate family, and it's like, what are

601
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Speaker 1: they going to say about you and how you led

602
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: your life. Did you just do what everyone else is

603
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: doing or did you go against the grain because you

604
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: listen to your intuition and you trusted your intuition and

605
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 1: led with integrity. Yeah, because you can like you can

606
00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: feel that, everyone around you can feel that, and it's

607
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: like it's not necessarily always about doing the big thing.

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00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's about the small things, but how impactful they

609
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Speaker 1: actually are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh my gosh, I love that so much. I

611
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: think we might need to give the listeners of this

612
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 2: episode a little do It for your Future Self course.

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00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: Of course. I think we should, just because I think

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Speaker 2: that course really helped me to get clear on that.

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Speaker 1: And it's so happy that you literally work for R

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Speaker 1: and C and you do like that was life changing.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: No, I loved it so much too. And okay, like,

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Speaker 1: do you want to just do a random Let's okay, guys,

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Speaker 1: use the code Bumble and we'll give you an amazing

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Speaker 1: discount on the do it for your future self if

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00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: you do want to get clear.

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Speaker 2: That's such a good idea and I think just ps,

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Speaker 2: this episode was not sponsored by Bumble.

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Speaker 1: But please come and sponsor a series. That would be amazing.

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Speaker 2: We'd love to.

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Speaker 1: Hi love it well, this episode was amazing to chat

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Speaker 1: about it. I hope you guys enjoyed it. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much to Tear for researching and telling us all

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Speaker 1: about the amazing Whitney. This was superb Bye everybody, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of the

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Speaker 1: Rise and Conker Podcast. If you enjoyed it and want more,

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