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Speaker 1: Now plenty of you have heard.

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Speaker 2: Over the last couple of weeks we've been speaking quite

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Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albanezi, which is hopefully going to see one

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Speaker 2: point two million homes well new homes built in the

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Speaker 2: space of five years as part of this plan which

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Speaker 2: was agreed to a national cabinet aimed at tackling the

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Speaker 2: nation's housing crisis. We spoke to Natasha Files on Thursday

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Speaker 2: last week and she'd confirmed that the plan was to

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Speaker 2: see eleven thousand homes in the Northern Territory over five years.

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Speaker 2: She did agree that that target was ambitious. Now joining

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Speaker 2: to about the housing situation on so many occasions. It

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Speaker 2: is Peter McMillan, the CEO of NT Shelter. Good morning

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Speaker 2: to you, Peter. Really well now, Peter, this announcement it

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Speaker 2: sounds like a fantastic one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Alban Eazy are saying.

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Speaker 2: One point two million new homes in the space of

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Speaker 2: five years, the Northern Territory Chief Minister saying eleven thousand

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Speaker 1: On the face of it. It seems like a great move.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, that's right, I mean, yay, I mean finally

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Speaker 3: they're talking national cabinet about housing and I think all

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Speaker 3: the states and territories and the Commerce government have realized

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Speaker 3: And we've spoken many times Cady about the rental crisis

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Speaker 3: we need in Australia that first of all, I had

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Speaker 3: an ambitious target or sorry, an aspirational target of one

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Speaker 3: what they're saying is ambitious target a one point two millions.

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Speaker 3: So every time they meet the numbers going up, I

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Speaker 3: think that really just underlies how much or a priority

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Speaker 3: We know, with an ambitious growth plan of a forty

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Speaker 3: the chief ministers and state premiers have agreed to this target.

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Speaker 3: It's an aspirational or ambitious target. Call what you will,

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Speaker 3: but it's great to have our Chief Minister part of

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Speaker 1: The right is eleven thousand enough.

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Speaker 3: Well, when we look at the areas we talk mostly about,

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Speaker 3: which is social and affordable housing, we need in that

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Speaker 3: space around a twelve thousand alone right. That includes remote

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Speaker 3: we're probably looking about six thousand homes. One of the

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Speaker 3: really encouraging things out of this announcement has been a

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Speaker 3: That's important. It's very important here in an ordern territory

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Speaker 3: It's basically recognizing that out of all the new housing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is spot on because we're not just talking

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Speaker 3: And there's enough housing in there that we can meet

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Speaker 3: million or one point two million homes, let's just say

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Speaker 3: it's fifteen thousand under that agreement, under that accord, that

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Speaker 3: will certainly go quite some way to alleviating a lot

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Speaker 3: of our current housing shortlist. It won't fix it all,

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Speaker 2: That it was the consultation with the NT Shelter about the needs.

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Speaker 2: And you know, the Chief Minster said on the show

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Speaker 3: Well, certainly that numbers, know that numbers not foreign to

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Speaker 3: They can't do it alone, Kadie. There's no way the

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Speaker 2: And the hard part's going to be is making sure

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Speaker 3: Well, that's absolutely right, So let's just maybe think about

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Speaker 1: You spot on because you know so often the government,

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Speaker 3: It will be. So a lot of the language it's

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Speaker 2: Of urgency to it as well, because we can't afford

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Speaker 2: so high, so we're putting the rent up.

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Speaker 1: So it's a real sort of catch twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Completely get it, you know, And a lot of people say, look,

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Speaker 3: it's not my fault. That's not my problem to solve.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: If I've got my investment property and the market price

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Speaker 3: is this, I understand that. And for pete, for landlords

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Speaker 3: that are doing it tough, they should also look at

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Speaker 3: how they can get the assistants they need as well,

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Speaker 3: financial assistants to make their situation work. We don't want

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Speaker 3: them in affordability stress either, right, But it's still an

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Speaker 3: issue where a house. What's different about this is we're

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Speaker 3: not talking about luxury goods. We're talking about essential goods.

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Speaker 3: Housing is essential. And if we get to the point

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Speaker 3: where all of a sudden, pretty much overnight, with as

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Speaker 3: little as two weeks, notice you're being told that you

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Speaker 3: know in two weeks your rent's going to go up

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Speaker 3: by one hundred dollars a week or more, and that's

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Speaker 3: going to put you out on Struggle Street. That's an

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Speaker 3: issue to law of us have to really face up to.

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Speaker 2: Peter McMillan, the CEO of MT. Shelter, We always appreciate

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Speaker 2: your time. Thanks so much for joining us this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Cody,