1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: The Will and Woody podcast. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: It's Will and Woodies, all. 3 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 3: Right, So analysis from gen Z. 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 4: She's in here to try and try and convince this 5 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 4: that gen Z is relevant now. The reason I was 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 4: laughing just then is because you know, I was saying 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,639 Speaker 4: just before the Woods actually that the problem with gen 8 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 4: Z is that they never really step out of their lane. 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: But cudos to you. 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 4: You tried a bit of a millennial past time a 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 5: I tried riding the bike. Don't recommend guys. 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: Which I don't think in hindsight gen zs can do 14 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 4: and they've lost the skill. The cast on your forearm, 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 4: I think is his testament to that. I don't think. 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 4: I don't think you guys can't swim. I don't think 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 4: you can't. 18 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 5: No, I can swim. Excuse me, I can try can't. 19 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 5: It's all three. 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: Because now mate, you can certainly count. It's not good, Yeah, 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: it's it's not good anyway. 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 4: It's a sad state of it. 23 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 3: Is the bit you've got going on about her cast. 24 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 6: Anyway, Let's throw one at you here anal So again, 25 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 6: this whole bit is do you understand pop culture that 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 6: is relevant right now? Because I think you miss a lot. 27 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 6: So this is a big one and I think everyone 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 6: will know this according to mc hammer, What time is it? 29 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 5: Hammer time? 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: I can't believe it? Sure wow, nice a nice nice? 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 5: That might hurt myself. We went for a fist pump 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 5: and I have a broken mission. I cannot miss pump. 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 7: Okay, I want you to finish the line from this movie. 34 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 7: I'll play the first bit. 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 5: And then you've got to finish the line. 36 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 8: Easy, your chase go along, damn nice catch Cheer? 37 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 3: Sorry, what what just happening? There was he speaking? It 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 3: sounds like he was throwing a ball for someone. 39 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 8: Your chase go along down, Nice catch, che. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 5: Nice catch Cheer. 41 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 4: There's a guy whose name is Cheer. He's just caught 42 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 4: a ball. He's gone along, he's got the ball. The 43 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: guy throwing the ball goes, nice catch Cheero. 44 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 9: Nice throw Steve right, nice throw Steve. 45 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just about who is Steve at this point, 46 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: because I don't know what the bit is like, I 47 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:42,799 Speaker 4: don't know what movie that's from. 48 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: Who is Cheer? 49 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 7: It is a big movie, and we've spoken about the 50 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 7: person who's in it. 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 4: You should if it's Buddy Wears, what's his name is? 52 00:02:51,800 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 3: Anderson. No that that singer guy, No guy from I 53 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: think nice throw Steve. 54 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 10: No my name quarterback? 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 1: Now? 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: What is it a house of pain? We're back in there. 57 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: No. 58 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 7: The response no, not my Name Quarterback is a big 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 7: meme at the moment on the internet, and it's from 60 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 7: the movie The Sidelined Quarterback and. 61 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: Men water and me. 62 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 5: Everyone in their cars? Whose gen z will know? Not 63 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 5: my Name Quarterback? That's how she said it, essentially, do 64 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 5: you guys want to try? Its really good. 65 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 6: If you're not across what happened to an amazing woman 66 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 6: called Chloe Pink, I'll quickly recap it. So Chloe Pink 67 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 6: married Toby Pink, who is a North Melbourne AFL footballer. 68 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 9: I had a secret wedding earlier this year. 69 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 6: A couple of months later, media found out that they 70 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 6: got married secretly and reached out to them and said, hey, 71 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 6: we just love to cover in the news the fact 72 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 6: that you had this secret wedding. 73 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: Chloe and Toby said yes. 74 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 11: So. 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 6: I think a few outlets the Herald Sun I think 76 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 6: they were the first ones to jump on it in Melbourne. 77 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 6: They posted some photos of the wedding, did a story 78 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 6: about the secret wedding. When this story got out, the 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 6: comments that were made on the story online were disgusting 80 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 6: a lot about Chloe's appearance. So we brought Chloe into 81 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 6: the studio and she spoke about that. 82 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 12: Wow, there was a lot of viral comments coming hard 83 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 12: and fast, all about my appearance, all about my weight. 84 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 12: There were comments calling me a fridge, comments saying that 85 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 12: Toby was a AFL player by day, pick hunter by night. Yeah, 86 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 12: there was the comments that genuinely shocked me, not even 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 12: just calling me fat like that was really vile comments. 88 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 12: And they were not just one or two I think, 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 12: yeah it was. It was it's been a hard, hard week, 90 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 12: not just one or two either. There was so so many, 91 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 12: and Harold Sun did what they could, like they were 92 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 12: deleting the comments, and eventually they had to turn off 93 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 12: the comments. But it was I'd never experienced anything like it, 94 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 12: and I guess I it was a bit naive. And 95 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 12: I know that I'm going to get a hate comment. 96 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 12: I know that someone's going to call me fat, but 97 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 12: I didn't expect it to this extent. 98 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: Did you know that? 99 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 4: Sorry just to because he said I knew that I 100 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: was going to get a comment. 101 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 3: Someone's good. So Jackie calls you in the Harold Sun. 102 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 4: Probably a lot of people's dream in the back of 103 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 4: your mind was also a thought where you were like, 104 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 4: I know someone's going to call me fat publicly in 105 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 4: these photos. 106 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I know. 107 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: How did you know that? 108 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 12: Because I've been to another event where my photo's been posted, 109 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 12: I've also received one or two comments about the way 110 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 12: that I look. I can take that, which I shouldn't 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 12: have to, but I did not expect the vile comments 112 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 12: and to the extent and the nature of what was 113 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 12: to come. 114 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 6: So when these comments start coming through, how did you 115 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 6: see them? 116 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 12: So I read the comments and I just spent I 117 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 12: think three days straight crying. Initially, Toby's like, no way, 118 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 12: there's no way. And Toby just sat there in silence 119 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 12: for like a good day, and he's like, I am 120 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 12: so sorry. And it felt like he was apologizing to 121 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 12: me because I was saying, oh, it's just I was 122 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 12: crying and it really hurt. But in the back of 123 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 12: my mind, I kept saying, it's just part of his job. 124 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 12: It's fine, it's just part of his job. But the 125 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 12: more I reflect on that, it's not If I say that, 126 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 12: I'm excusing your behavior, and I go into my TikTok 127 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 12: and I have like hundreds of comments that, yes, ninety 128 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 12: nine percent of my response has been from women, but 129 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 12: only one percent has been from men. Yeah, one percent, 130 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 12: ninety nine percent women. It's up to us men to 131 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 12: call it out. It's not going to stop if the 132 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 12: men are calling it out. 133 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 6: So I want to pick up on what she just 134 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 6: said there at the end of that audio, which is 135 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 6: that only one percent of men were commenting or messaging 136 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 6: her in support. So we posted a video of her 137 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 6: coming to the studio and got a massive response, thousands 138 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 6: of comments apparently. And my wife actually said to me 139 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 6: because she saw the video and was reading the comments, 140 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 6: and she said, what do he not one bloke has 141 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 6: commented on this video? Wow, I for thousands of comments 142 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 6: that have come through it, these are all women. So 143 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 6: I just thought, thirteen one oh sixty five. 144 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: It's the same thing repeating effectively. Yeah, well, well not really. 145 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: It's almost worse than that, isn't it. 146 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: It's like men are only saying something if it's disgusting. 147 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of blokes going I'm not 148 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 6: the one saying the disgusting things. So I'm not the 149 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 6: problem here. But I think again, I think we can 150 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 6: be a bit better here by being a bit proactive 151 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,559 Speaker 6: and actually messaging with support they're doing more so again, 152 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 6: just want to throw it out to the fellas here. 153 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 6: Does anyone want to call right now and just give 154 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 6: a thought or an opinion on this story? Where do 155 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 6: you sit with it? And do you want to publicly 156 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 6: talk about it? 157 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 4: Now? 158 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: All right? Clothes you there? 159 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 13: Yes, yes, I'm here. 160 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: Hi. 161 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 6: We've opened the phone lines for guys to call now 162 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 6: and just give their views and thoughts on what happened 163 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 6: to you, Chloe. I think it's really nice actually that 164 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 6: you're here and they can actually say it to you. 165 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: I think that takes it one step further than. 166 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: Just nice, good producing world done guys. Doubletick for you too. 167 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 9: Anyway, Nikki, welcome to the show mate. 168 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 14: Hello, Yeah, hey, you going boys? 169 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 3: Good? You've got Chloe here? Did you want to say 170 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 3: something about what happened to her? 171 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 14: Chloe? You just got to ignore all that horrible and 172 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 14: disgusting behavior. I'm from England and obviously during the last 173 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 14: World Cup we have a guy called Declan Rice who's 174 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 14: a super excellent football player, but because his girlfriend isn't 175 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 14: a size eight like the rest of the team's wife. 176 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 14: She got so much hatred on our English website. It's 177 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 14: just disgusting And if I was you, I would think 178 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 14: to myself, you know what, I'm waking up every day 179 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 14: next to an AFL player who earned plads of money. 180 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: So's us that, Hey, Nikki, are you like I know 181 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: you're britt I reckon the culture there is arguably in 182 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: some instance is worse than it is Australia. Do you 183 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 4: find as a man it's hard to call out other 184 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 4: men who are like this, who are weight shaming and misogynistic, 185 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 4: et cetera. 186 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 14: Yeah, I don't even think it's got anything to do 187 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 14: with that. Obviously, people get so fixated within the teams 188 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 14: that they support that they just bag other people. Do 189 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 14: you know what I mean? 190 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 5: Yeah? 191 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: I don't know. 192 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 4: I think it's a bit more personal than that. But 193 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: thanks for the call on here. I appreciate it. I 194 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: think it's beyond football. I think we can probably all 195 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 4: agree that. Yeah, Chloe, I find it ironic that your 196 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 4: partner Toby plays AFL because I just can't like in 197 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 4: any sports change room I have been in that I 198 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: find that this is such a task to get men 199 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 4: to stop other men behaving in that way. 200 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: What does Toby say about that? 201 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 13: No, I completely agree. 202 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 15: He agrees as well. 203 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 13: I think a good point that I had the other 204 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 13: day is if you're not a part of the solution, 205 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 13: you're still part of the system. 206 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah that's right. 207 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, your silence is correct. 208 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 13: And although it may be uncomfortable, and you'll find this 209 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 13: comfort in calling it out, but that's nothing compared to 210 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 13: what women deal with every day. 211 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 15: So it might feel. 212 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 13: Uncomfortable for you for five minutes, but that had so 213 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 13: much more of an impact, and that discomfort is worth 214 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 13: a lot of value. 215 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 3: Let's go to Ryan, Ryan, we've got more men calling in. 216 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 3: This is this is great? Ryan. How do you feel 217 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 3: about this? 218 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 11: I'm honestly disgusted, to be honest, that no bloke has 219 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 11: really come forward and sharing support. Really because you know, 220 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 11: as I said to the producer before we're going to 221 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 11: meet your old sister, I don't want her jumping on 222 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 11: social media and having that much being body shamed or 223 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 11: hate thrown towards her. So you know, I can't speak 224 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 11: for all all blokes put on my behalf and praying 225 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 11: my brothers and everything you know, if you've got nothing 226 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 11: nice to say, don't say it at all. You know, 227 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 11: there's no point putting other people down. We're trying to 228 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 11: make the world happier place. It's not the right day 229 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 11: and age for it anymore. 230 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: I think there's also beyond the two parts I reckon 231 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 4: to this. First of all, there is definitely a sense 232 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 4: of like if I'm a bigger dickhead, I'm a bigger man. 233 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 4: We both went to private boys schools, Like I know 234 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 4: that for a fact, Like when you're a teenager, that's 235 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 4: basically we're. 236 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 9: Trying to impress other impress other guys. 237 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 3: If you do that, that's the thing that is there. 238 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: But I think there are ways of being a dickhead 239 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 4: that don't involve hurting other people. You can still be 240 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 4: silly and still be American without needing to hurt people. 241 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 4: I'd love to see where you take this, Clothe because 242 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: I think you're onto something, and I think. 243 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: This is a really plausible thing that. 244 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 4: We can actually change if the right steps are taken 245 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 4: in the right place with young boys, in particular, to 246 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 4: start changing the way they talk. I think yeah. 247 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 13: I think a big point as well is women don't 248 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 13: need you to feel guilty. We're not trying to shame you. 249 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 13: We don't need the men to feel guilty. We need 250 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 13: you to just show up like. It's not about shaming men, 251 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 13: it's about we're asking for your help. I'm not trying 252 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 13: to shame you. I'm literally asking for your help to 253 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 13: call it out. 254 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 4: If we just remove the gender thing as well, it's 255 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 4: just people being nice to other people. 256 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Coming on Chloe Pink there. 257 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: If you want to see the original video overseas, so 258 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 4: Will and Woody on Instagram and TikTok. We can get 259 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 4: some men coming out of that video would say, we're asking, 260 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 4: what is the worst fight you've had with your partner 261 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 4: while you've been traveling. 262 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 6: I think it happens to all of us. I don't 263 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 6: know why, but we fight on holiday. It happened with 264 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 6: French president Emanuel Macron. He's been seen, i mean, getting 265 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 6: slapped effectively by his wife as they stepped up a. 266 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 3: Plane delicious wine. 267 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 6: He did mention before that she's his teacher. So maybe 268 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 6: that you told me not to mention. So I don't 269 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 6: know why we're going back she was his teacher. May 270 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 6: that maybe that's just the sort of relationship. Perhaps she 271 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 6: still punishes him like a naughty boy occasionally. 272 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 3: I won't comment on that, but maybe that might. 273 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 4: Be a thing of this, you know, that might be 274 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: that's a happy dynamic for them. 275 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 6: They have said actually interesting to say that that they 276 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 6: were playfighting, so could be some truth to that. I 277 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 6: don't forget. This is Mum and Dad. Dad is against 278 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 6: like taxis when he's overseas, like he's. 279 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 4: More of a great travel He's like, no plans, no taxis. 280 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 6: He's like, we're in this city once in our lives. 281 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 6: Why wouldn't we enjoy the streets. 282 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 9: I go for a walk. 283 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 6: I never forget my mum saying we're pretty far from 284 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 6: the hotel. I think we need some public transport. It's 285 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 6: late Steve and he goes, no, why I'm walking, And 286 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 6: then the rest of the family gets in the cab 287 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 6: and Dad walks. It took him six hours to walk hour. 288 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 6: He was on the other side of the city and 289 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 6: he got lost, knew and he still said, I had 290 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 6: a lovely night going for a fruit of war. 291 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: We're in London. We're in London and he wanted to walk. 292 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 6: All know, you can't walk around London's got to come 293 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 6: in here, come. 294 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 3: This was a recent fight on holiday. 295 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 15: Super recent, like just a week ago. 296 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay fresh one freshman. 297 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 15: Yeah, super fresh. So like the family's still not talking. 298 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 299 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 15: So what happened was we went to South Africa. It 300 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 15: was my brother's wedding and we'd booked with my parents, 301 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 15: my husband, myself, and our toddler to go all over together. 302 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 15: And we were there for a month and the last 303 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 15: forty eight hours, my husband decides that he's had enough 304 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 15: of my dad's controlling behavior and decided to go mia 305 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 15: for forty eight hours. And literally on the day that 306 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 15: we are meant to fly back to city, get a 307 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 15: call to say he's in hospital. He ended up at 308 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 15: a casino, had too many drinks, tripped over something and 309 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 15: needed to turn staples in the back of his head. 310 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 15: And that was the literally hours before we had to 311 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 15: be at the airport make flight. It was disastrous and 312 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 15: then it just kept yeah, and then he met us 313 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 15: at the airport on time, for God, but it just 314 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 15: kept going like the whole flight was like a disaster. 315 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 15: He chose to sit on a different aisle. It was 316 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 15: just a week ago, just a week ago. 317 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so we packed these bags coming. 318 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 6: Then like, if he's gone straight to the airport after 319 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 6: having a stack at the casino, are his bags still 320 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 6: in South Africa? 321 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 15: No, So I packed everything. I packed everything up and 322 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 15: took it with me and it was like, well, if 323 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 15: he's not there, then I'm going to have to just 324 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 15: leave it because I don't have the extra. 325 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 3: Allow it. 326 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 15: And he was in such a mood. He was like, 327 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 15: I'll just buy a new clothes. It's fine, and I 328 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 15: was just like. 329 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 13: It was awful, and my dad was of course. 330 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: It's a long flight. That's a long flight home. 331 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 15: It was a long fly and it's been a long 332 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 15: week since. 333 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: You still hear that coming and unity voice, and I 334 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 4: feel for you speaking of men being encourageable overseas. Yes, 335 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 4: so I went to a ski resort with my partner 336 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: Sam in Japan. She's a great. 337 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 6: Skier, yes, very good at pants, which is much better 338 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 6: at sports. 339 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: Than me, which is already humiliating. 340 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 4: Yes, I was snowboarding because I'm you know, I'm a 341 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 4: low pant riding cool guy. I'd never snowboarded in powder before. 342 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's ever been in Japan. It's kind 343 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 4: of famous for having this like caster sugar style snow, 344 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 4: which is traditionally very hard to navigate, particularly on a snowboard. 345 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,359 Speaker 3: But again, I'm encourageable. 346 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 4: I'm a man chipping my shoulder about the fact that 347 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: my partner's better at sports than I am. 348 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: I don't need ski school. 349 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 4: I'll get straight out, mate, take me to take me 350 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 4: off piece, as they would say. So we're going down 351 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 4: a standard run. Sam said, I'm going to go off piece. Anyway, 352 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 4: I went down off piece. So what is off peace 353 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 4: means the off the trail, so you just it's just 354 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 4: trees and like caster sugar snow, I take one turn, 355 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 4: I go under. 356 00:16:56,880 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 3: And when I say I go under, I mean like 357 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 3: the snow is over my head. 358 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 4: I cannot reach my bindings and the snow is caving 359 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: into the hole in my face. It is so hectic. 360 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to die here in the snow. 361 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 4: In Japan, has people get buried? 362 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 16: Right? 363 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 10: Yeah? 364 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. So I start screaming. 365 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 4: I'm like Sam, Sam, you know, finally she's heard me. 366 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 4: So she stops getting She walks up the slope and 367 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 4: I'm like, Sam, can you just pass me one of 368 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 4: your poles? You're gonna have to drag me out of here. 369 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 4: I was like, you, no, we might forget the scadoo 370 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 4: up here and drag me out this zetic She reaches 371 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 4: down and then instead of grabbing her pole, grabs her 372 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 4: phone out and takes a photo of me in the snow. 373 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: I've seen the shot. It's a great photo. 374 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 4: We did not talk for the whole day. That was 375 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 4: the first thing in the morning. We skied all day together, 376 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 4: to the point where some of the chairlifts at the 377 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 4: snow resort with a massive so like half an hour 378 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 4: on the chair. Yeah, and we would sit on there 379 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 4: with a stranger and the stranger would only figure out 380 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 4: like twenty minutes into the ruin. 381 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: Oh, you guys actually know each other. You just wouldn't talk. 382 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 3: Bloody hell. 383 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, it is a great I think I'm a pretty 384 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 6: nice guy. I just think I'm a likable person. So 385 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 6: it's strange to me that your almost three year old 386 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 6: daughter hates me. Like I'm not talking out of school here, 387 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 6: like this is a genuine issue, and she has proven 388 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,439 Speaker 6: it multiple times. 389 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, that she hates me. 390 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 6: I mean, if you've missed any of it, have listened 391 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 6: to thiswards. 392 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 4: We have long suspected that my two year old daughter 393 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: hates him? 394 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 3: Why have you suspected? 395 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 4: This was vaguely confirmed on the show yesterday. 396 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 3: Hello Max, Well I got home last night. I asked 397 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: her point blank, what are your friend? Do you like winning? 398 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 3: It's been tough? 399 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I'm just going on with my life. 400 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: I see, I'm not. I don't need this. 401 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 9: I don't need to love of everybody coming to contact with. 402 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: What are you talking about? I don't play that noise again, 403 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 3: It's actually harmful. So I do need this. 404 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 6: So yesterday on the show I kind of commenteered the 405 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 6: radio show and just said, can we call your daughter 406 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 6: again just so I can, you know, tell her how 407 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 6: amazing I am. 408 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 3: And it went terribly. Put me on speaker immediately. Can 409 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 3: you hear me? 410 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: Max? 411 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 3: She's running, she says, she's running, Run. 412 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 4: After her, run after it. 413 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 6: Okay, so she's now running away from my presence over 414 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 6: the phone. 415 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 3: So I've now taken it upon myself. It did get 416 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 3: a bit pushed last time. I feel she was distressed 417 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: by the end of that. 418 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 9: Well I get that. 419 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 3: But if she just said the nigg you do get it. 420 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 6: No, But what I'm trying to say is if she 421 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 6: just says I like you then I'll back it off 422 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 6: a little bit. If she continues to put up this 423 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 6: wall of hate, then I am going to push harder 424 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 6: and harder. And part of pushing harder is the fact 425 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 6: that I keep coming to your house in the morning now, 426 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 6: which I'm sure is incredibly annoying for you and your family. 427 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: But you've come in two mornings this week, and both 428 00:19:55,760 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 4: times I've been having a shower, and if in yeah, yeah, 429 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 4: I was playing. 430 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 3: With your dog for a while this morning. 431 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 4: But morement that I knew that you were in the 432 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: house today is because I got out of the shower 433 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 4: and the first thing I heard was my dog's name 434 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 4: is Stevie. The only thing I heard was Stevie, where's 435 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 4: mummy or daddy or match? 436 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 3: Good Chad, it's a good chat. Stevie had no idea anyway. 437 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 6: I had hot cross buns though, because I was like 438 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 6: all kids like hot cross buns. I just want to 439 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 6: get some face to FaceTime with Mags and deliver the 440 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 6: hot cross buns. Now, my question to you is she 441 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 6: wasn't there no at that time? Have you delivered the merchandise? 442 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 6: Yes to her and explains to her in no uncertain 443 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 6: terms that wood he paid for that with his own money. 444 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 4: Well, I don't think money is a concept that you know, 445 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 4: she can quite grock at this age, which is not 446 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 4: quite across. 447 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 3: Which you should get across that it's important. 448 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 6: But well, did she make it clear that what you 449 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 6: spent time going to get these and he's given them 450 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 6: to you as a gift? 451 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, idea has come out of his way to come again. 452 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 4: You laboring it like you just need to chill out 453 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: a little bit. 454 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like nothing. 455 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 4: There's nothing less attractive than desperation, and. 456 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 3: You you exuded at the current moment. Well I'll wear 457 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: her down. I don't it's two years old. 458 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 9: But anyway, did you get the hot Cross buns or not? 459 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 9: I'm sorry I did. 460 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: I gave you. 461 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 4: You're right, she loves the hot Cross buns, but well 462 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,239 Speaker 4: no she I think she was quite gracious in how 463 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 4: she responded. Actually, these hot Coss buns they're from Woody Friend. 464 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 5: Did you say came to from Woody bag? 465 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: I said, thanks to? Would you like me to say 466 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 3: thanks to? Do you like Woodie? 467 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: Now? What is going like? 468 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 3: Do you like? 469 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 6: She fully understood the fact that I gave because she 470 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 6: thanked me. 471 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 3: Can you thank me? And then still say I'm not 472 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: friends with you. 473 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: Okay, this I just flighted perfectly as much as I 474 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: couldn't be prouder of it. 475 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: She's almost like she knew it was a bit, and 476 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 4: she was gracious as well. She was polite, didn't forget 477 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 4: her manners. Said thank you, make sure you say thank you. 478 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 4: But I still like that guy. I felt a lot 479 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 4: of proud pride for my child over over there last 480 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 4: you know, two and a half, three years. I'm sure 481 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 4: you never swelled with more pride than I did. I'm 482 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 4: sure I'm sure you're loving. I almost think that she 483 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 4: knows it's a bit now. I couldn't be proud of her. 484 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 3: It feels too real. 485 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 6: She's two and a half. She can't know it's a 486 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 6: bit what you said. She doesn't grow money, she doesn't 487 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 6: grock bits. 488 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: Mate. 489 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 6: Anyway, I just need to know from other people. Thirteen 490 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 6: one oh sixty five is our number. Yeah, does your 491 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 6: kid hate someone for like no reason? 492 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: Is it? Like? 493 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 6: Is this actually a thing that young children just assigned, 494 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 6: that they hate someone? 495 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 9: I think so, because right now I feel very alone. 496 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel very skill. You're the only only adult 497 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 3: that's hated by. 498 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 6: A toddler, So they're out there thirteen one oh sixty five. 499 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 6: Does your kid just did that? Has decide to hate 500 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 6: someone for no real reason? And then I guess the 501 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 6: secondary question is did they ever get through it? 502 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 4: You're fresh to the show, you should know that my 503 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,920 Speaker 4: two and a half year old daughter has now kindgorically 504 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 4: confirmed on four different occasions that she hates Woody Well 505 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 4: hates a strong word. 506 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 3: She doesn't like you. 507 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 4: She doesn't see I actually wouldn't ask you if she 508 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 4: hates anything, but she doesn't see you as a friend, 509 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 4: which arguably hurts more. 510 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 3: It does. 511 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 4: I think I'd prefer the hate weird be more simple 512 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: to hate, isn't it. It's like it's clearly a childish response. 513 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 4: Total I don't want him as my friend? Is that's calculated. 514 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 6: She's thought about it absolutely, despite the fact that I 515 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 6: am coming over to your house regularly now and I 516 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 6: will continue to do this and interrupt your beautiful warnings 517 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 6: and deliver gifts to your daughter until she says, I 518 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 6: am her friend? 519 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: Who are you doing that? For? The small child. 520 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 6: Inside of me? And that small childs inside of everyone. 521 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 6: We all know it's there. Sometimes you have to nurture 522 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 6: them so I'm just wondering now, though thirteen one O 523 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 6: six five is our number, does your kid just hate 524 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 6: someone for no reason? Because right now it does feel 525 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 6: like I'm the only adult out there who just has 526 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 6: the not the hate of a child, but the lack 527 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 6: of love from a chin that is that? Because I 528 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 6: just thought kids liked everyone. Remy loves everyone. Yeah, it 529 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,239 Speaker 6: doesn't matter who you are. 530 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: She's like, I trust you, you're in Yeah, so that's nice. 531 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 6: Let's go to Shannon here, despite me trying to drip 532 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 6: like awful. 533 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: Things about you to her because I kind of want mind. 534 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: Oh, you've been feeding her poison to throw. 535 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 6: Around things like will is a cheap ass like I've 536 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 6: just mentioned that, but it's not really sinking in yet. 537 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 6: Shannon Boys, Hello, mate, You've got a niece who has 538 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 6: a dislike of someone. 539 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 16: I do. I do. She's about six years old and 540 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 16: no age of her she ever liked me? 541 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 9: So how young did it start? 542 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: Shannon? 543 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 16: From the get go? 544 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: I think it's the bead. 545 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 16: I've got a bed and I don't know if it's 546 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 16: but she wouldn't they say hello to me functions and 547 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 16: give me nothing? 548 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 6: And have you tried to push through that, Shannon, because 549 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 6: I'm with your mate, I'm right there next to you. 550 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 3: Will's daughter does not like me. 551 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 6: So what have you done to try and win back 552 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 6: the love of the of your bribery? 553 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: That So that's that's what I'm trying to replain here, Shannon, 554 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 4: is that you need to ease up. 555 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 3: But what if I just ignore her? Nothing's going to happen, right, 556 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: I agree? Disagree? 557 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 4: Actually actually like like I agree, Shannon had six years 558 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 4: Are you on speaking terms with your niece now? 559 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: Shannon? 560 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 7: No? 561 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 4: So she's six years old and she's like, never said 562 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 4: what's what's the most she's said to you? 563 00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: Ah? 564 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 3: Hello, that's it. That's all you get it? 565 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:00,239 Speaker 2: Hell? 566 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 3: Can you see it often enough? 567 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 16: Her brother's right? 568 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 3: Have you asked her parents? 569 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 16: Yeah, there's become a running joke in the family now. 570 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, it does get like that. 571 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 4: It's definitely a running joke in my householding with my 572 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 4: familys col Shannon. 573 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 3: It's not funny at all to me. 574 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 4: I think he's hitting on something there, you know. I 575 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: do think it's a good message to heat. The harder 576 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 4: you push, the more she's going to run away. But 577 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 4: what does that actually look like? Practically? 578 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 6: Like what I come over with the hot cross buns 579 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 6: and go no, it means not coming over. 580 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 4: Don't come over, Maddie the way coming under, Maddie, Maddie, Maddie, 581 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 4: this is your daughter irrationally hates someone. 582 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 10: Yes, he hates my brother. 583 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 3: In law, and so is there Has there ever been 584 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 3: a reason that you can pin that to? 585 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 10: And looks he scared her once, but from then on, 586 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 10: every time she sees him, she just screams, has a meltdown, 587 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 10: doesn't want to buy of him, just the whole work, 588 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 10: oh my lord. 589 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 6: So and has he done anything to try and like 590 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 6: mend the bridge every time we go over here? 591 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 10: Will I try and give her like a cardle or 592 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 10: I take her off my sister? But then she just 593 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 10: loses it? 594 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: How old is she? Did you say? 595 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 15: Maddie is ten months? 596 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: Okay, super young. 597 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 4: That's still that's when it does. I think that's when 598 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 4: it started with you as well. And then we learned 599 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: this the first time Max said I came into the studio. 600 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 4: She calls the studio the glassroom, and she said, wood, 601 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 4: he laughed at you in the glassroom. So ultimately she's 602 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: protecting me. 603 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 6: So she just remembered one moment from our radio show 604 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,719 Speaker 6: where obviously you were the butt of the drug and 605 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 6: since that day she has hated She's black. Marn't you forgiveness, mate? 606 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 3: I think for you? 607 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 4: Are you just thinking about that in reverse? 608 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 3: Maybe you need to be doing great things for me 609 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: in front of. 610 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 4: Her or yeah, yeah, I think that's actually it. Now 611 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 4: I hate that you're at it flipped that so I 612 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 4: need is where we're at all of a sudden. 613 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 3: If I save your life, I just start with a 614 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: nice bottle of wine. 615 00:27:53,200 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 4: Jamie's called on first, start by buying me a drink. Jamie. 616 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 6: Are you another one who was hated by a child 617 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 6: for no reason? 618 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 16: Yeah? So my cousin, she had two daughters, and every 619 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 16: time I would walk in the room, they just would 620 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 16: squill and yell and scream. I put it down to 621 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 16: the fact that I had dreadlock. 622 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 623 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 16: The worst part was their father had dreadlocks. So maybe 624 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 16: it wasn't the dreadlock. 625 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 3: I don't think it's the dreadlocks. 626 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 13: Jamie. 627 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 9: Have you managed to have you managed to push through? 628 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 3: Have you have you done? 629 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 16: They're older now they like me. 630 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 3: Now, how did you do it? Jamie? Teach me? 631 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 16: How did I do it? I just stayed away. 632 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: It's gone. So you've got two options here. 633 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 4: Would either you stay away or you buy me dinner 634 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: at least three nights a week. 635 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 3: I think I prefer to stay away.