1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: My name is Lily Madden and I'm a proud Arunda 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: Bunjelung Calcuttin woman from Gadighl Country. The Daily oz acknowledges 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: that this podcast is recorded on the lands of the 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Gadighl people and pays respect to all Aboriginal and Torres 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: Straight Island and nations. We pay our respects to the 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: first peoples of these countries, both past and present. 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It's Wednesday, 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: the ninth of August. I'm Zara Seidler, I'm Sam Kazlowski. 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: An independent inquiry into the handling of the Bruce Lehman 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 2: case was officially handed down on Monday. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: It's a six hundred page report that makes for sobering reading. 12 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: This has been an ongoing news story with lots of 13 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 2: twists and turns. 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: It was an inquiry mister Drumgold called himself, but according 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 3: to the six hundred page report, it was drum Gold 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: who engaged in grossly unethical conduct. 17 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: So what did the inquiry find about the case and 18 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: what does it all mean moving forward? TDA journalist Tom 19 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: Crowley is going to join me in today's deep dive. 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 2: But first Sam, it's making headlines this morning. 21 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 4: The Australian Bureau of Statistics has published new data that 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 4: shows the smallest growth in household spending since February twenty 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: twenty one. Spending in June rows by one point eight 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 4: percent compared to the previous year. This all comes as 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: the Reserve Bank looks to limit inflation via interest rate risers. 26 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 2: Australian and New Zealand police forces have arrested one hundred 27 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: and fifty nine people in a week long crackdown on 28 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: outlawed bikey gangs. Almost seven hundred charges were laid as 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: part of Task Force Morpheus, and about one million dollars 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: in cash was seized. 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 4: Zoom is ordering its workers back to the office. The 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: company became a household name during the pandemic for allowing 33 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 4: employees to connect remotely when face to face work wasn't possible. 34 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 4: They've said that workers within eighty kilometers of an office 35 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: should be working in person at least twice a week. 36 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: And the good news. The Matilda's knockout match against Denmark 37 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: on Monday was the most watched broadcast event of twenty 38 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: twenty three well according to ratings agency oz TAM. The 39 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 2: match attracted almost two point three million viewers across the 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 2: five biggest Australian cities. The Matildas will of course play 41 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: their next match on Saturday in Brisbane. Tom second day 42 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: in a row on the pod. 43 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: Welcome back, Thanks Sarah. Good to be here again. 44 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: So Tom, you're back on here today because we're going 45 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: to be discussing the findings from an independent inquiry into 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: the Bruce Lehman case that was handed down this week. 47 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, it's a very complex story and 48 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: we're going to get into it in a second. But 49 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 2: before we do, I do just want to make a 50 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: bit of a disclaimer. The Daily Ozz editor is Billy FitzSimons, 51 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: who is the daughter of Lisa Wilkinson. Billy had no 52 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: input into tda's coverage of this story. Okay, Tom, So 53 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: now let's turn to the story. Many layers, many characters. 54 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: Where does it begin? Where shall we start? Yeah? 55 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,679 Speaker 3: It is a complicated stories are with quite a few 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: different elements in it. I suppose it's not just about 57 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 3: the allegation of sexual assault, which is at the beginning 58 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: of this story, but I think that that's the best 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 3: place for us to start is back at that allegation. 60 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 3: I think that's the part of this story that most 61 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 3: people will be at least a little bit familiar with, 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: and that is the allegation made by Britney Higgins that 63 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: she was sexually assaulted by Bruce Lemon in twenty twenty 64 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: one in Parliament House when both of them were working 65 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: as staffers in the Morrison government. Now that is an 66 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: allegation that Bruce Lemmon strongly denies. The matter was investigated 67 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: by police in the Act that's the Australian Federal Police, 68 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: and charges were laid against Lehman and a trial was held. 69 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 3: That trial encountered a number of difficulties. It was delayed 70 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: at first, and then when it happened, it was ultimately 71 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: abandoned without a verdict because of an incident of dura misconduct. 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 3: Then after that, a planned retrial was dropped because of 73 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: concerns about the impact on Britney Higgins's mental health, and 74 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: so the case concluded at that point. But the story 75 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 3: has continued. 76 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 2: It has and I mean I feel like it is 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: in the news most weeks at the moment. What's happened 78 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: since the retrial was dropped, So. 79 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: Quite a few different narrative threads. Firstly, a lot of 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: the people who were either directly or indirectly involved in 81 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: this case are now involved in various forms of legal action, 82 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: including defamation lawsuits. There's also been more publicity surrounding this case, 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 3: including high profile public interviews. So there are a number 84 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: of different ways that this story has continued. But one 85 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 3: of the key ways that we're here to talk about 86 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: today was an inquiry into how the case was run, 87 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 3: and I guess this began in the aftermath of the case. 88 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: There started to be a lot of media reporting that 89 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: suggested that there was tension between different parts of the 90 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: justice system in the Act where this case was and 91 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: particularly tension between two groups the police who were investigating 92 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: and Shane Drumgold, who was the prosecutor. So he's the 93 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: Act's Director of Public Prosecutions. He has a role in 94 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: the investigation, but then when it comes to trial, he's 95 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 3: the one who, on behalf of the Act government leads 96 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 3: the prosecution. So in a sense he's leading the case 97 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 3: in this trial against Bruce Lemon, but as a government official, 98 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 3: he faces a number of requirements to carry about his 99 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 3: job in an objective way. The prosecutor is a really 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: important person, just like the police are in ensuring a 101 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 3: fair process is followed and a fair trial is ultimately held. 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: And what the media reports started to suggest basically was 103 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: that Prosecutor drum Gold and the police each had concerns 104 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: that the other had mishandled the investigation and the trial. 105 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: And once these things started to be aired in the media, 106 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: the Act government announced that they would hold an inquiry 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: to look across the act criminal justice system at how 108 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 3: all of the different key actors had carried out their duties. 109 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: And so the reason that we're talking about this story 110 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: today is because this week we got the findings of 111 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: that inquiry. 112 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, so maybe it's important if I just first, Sarah 113 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: stepped through a little bit how this inquiry worked, please 114 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: do so. The way these sorts of inquiries normally work 115 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 3: is that the government will appoint some independent eminent legal 116 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 3: expert to oversee the inquiry. In this case, it was 117 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: a man called Walter Soffronoff. He's a retired judge from 118 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 3: Queensland and Walter Soffronoff was basically tasked with a pretty 119 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: broad remit to just look through how Prosecutor drum Gold, 120 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 3: the Police and all of the key officials involved in 121 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: this case carried out their jobs. He held hearings for 122 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: several weeks. He questioned the police, he questioned drum Gold, 123 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: he questioned a whole bunch of different people involved in 124 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: the case and started to build a bit of a picture. 125 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 3: And ultimately his job was to compile a report with 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 3: his findings about what hadn't worked. And those are the 127 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: findings that we've gotten. 128 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: In the last week. 129 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: Okay, and I mean there was a lot there, So 130 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: let's take it part by part. Can you first start 131 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: with Shane Drumgolds, because the inquiry did make several findings 132 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: against him. 133 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so a significant part of the sofign Off Inquiry's 134 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 3: final report focused on Shane Drumgold and it made a 135 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: number of adverse findings against him. Now, I guess to 136 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 3: go back to what I said before, just to be 137 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 3: clear about exactly what drum Gold's job is as the prosecutor. 138 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: It's a bit of a confusing one, I think, because 139 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: he kind of wears a couple of hats, so he 140 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: is the one who is, in a sense leading the 141 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 3: case against Bruce Lehman. But despite that, as a public official, 142 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 3: he's required at all times to act in an impartial way. 143 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: And is a really important person in determining that a 144 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 3: fair trial is held. And what the inquiry concluded was 145 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: that he did not act in an impartial way. There 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 3: were three main instances of misconduct that the inquiry focused on. 147 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: The first was an action that he took which disadvantaged 148 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: the defense, and that was a failure to disclose a 149 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: key document which he should have disclosed and which the 150 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: inquiry described as a deliberate active deception. The second related 151 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 3: to the delay of the trial. So I mentioned earlier 152 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: that the trial was initially delayed. That was following a 153 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: speech delivered at the Logies by ten journalist Lisa Wilkinson 154 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: which referenced the trial, and at the time Drumgold had 155 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: told the trial judge that he had warned Wilkinson against 156 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: giving that speech. The inquiry determined that he had lied 157 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: to the judge when he said that. Thirdly, Drumgold had 158 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: made a number of allegations that suggested that the police 159 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: were conspiring with members of the Morrison government, and in 160 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 3: particular Senator Linda Reynolds, to interfere in the case for 161 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: political reasons. The inquiry determined that those suggestions made by 162 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 3: drum Gold were with an out rational basis and should 163 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 3: never have been made. So three key adverse findings there 164 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 3: against Shane Drumgold, And it was the inquiry's view that 165 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: Drumgold's misconduct was so serious that if the trial had 166 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: reached a guilty verdict, of course there was no verdict 167 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 3: in the trial. If a guilty verdict had been reached, 168 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: it was Soffronov's view that that verdict would have had 169 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: to be thrown out because of drum Gold's misconduct. That's 170 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 3: how seriously he viewed it. 171 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 2: I thought that was remarkable to read. Yeah, and drum 172 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 2: Gold's then announced last Friday, I believe it was that 173 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: he was retiring. 174 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: Right he has, so he rejected the findings against him, 175 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 3: but on account of what he described as the publicity 176 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 3: following him, he decided to retire, effective on the first 177 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: of September. He also made a criticism of the inquiry 178 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: for focusing on him. He said it should have focused 179 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 3: more on broader questions of institutional resp bonsors to sexual 180 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: assault allegations. 181 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: So Shane Drumgold, who's now retired, was obviously a big 182 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 2: part of what the inquiry was looking at. But there 183 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 2: were also some findings that didn't relate to Shane Drumgolds 184 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: and related to police and other stakeholders involved. 185 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's right. So I mentioned earlier that the 186 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: police were the other key party really here for the 187 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: inquiry to focus on, and there weren't as many findings 188 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,559 Speaker 3: about the police. So the inquiry concluded that the police 189 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 3: had made mistakes and to quote Walter Soffronoff, that those 190 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 3: mistakes had caused unnecessary pain to Britney Higgins. But Soffronoff 191 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 3: ultimately concluded he did not believe that those prejudiced the 192 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: investigation or the trial, that the investigation was thorough and fair, 193 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: and that the charges that were laid ultimately against Lehman 194 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: were appropriate. 195 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 2: So Tom, obviously the heart of this story is about 196 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 2: what the findings of this inquiry actually were and what 197 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: it said about how the process unfolded. So another part 198 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: of this story that we haven't spoken about yet is 199 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: the nature of how this information and how the inquiry 200 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: was actually made published. 201 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was another twist in the last week 202 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 3: or so, is that the inquiry itself has become a 203 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: news story now in the past week, just to add 204 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 3: another layer to this. So the reason for that is 205 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 3: that the findings of the inquiry were reported in the 206 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 3: media before the government had officially released them. So Walter 207 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 3: Sofronoff holts his hearings, he goes away, he prepares his 208 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 3: report just as this report is being handed to the 209 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: government and before it has been made public. We now 210 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: know that he gives it to two journalists, one at 211 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 3: The Australian and one at the ABC. He believes it 212 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 3: is on the understanding that they won't publish it. But 213 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 3: it does get published, and so last week it appears 214 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 3: first in The Australian and subsequently in multiple media outlets 215 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 3: extensive details of Sofronov's findings. And this happens crucially before 216 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 3: most of the key people who are the subject of 217 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: the inquiry have been given the findings. So we believe 218 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: that Britney Higgins lawyer was given a copy at a 219 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,839 Speaker 3: similar time, but nobody else was. And so we talk 220 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: about Shane Drumgold's resignation. He was saying for days I 221 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: reject what I have seen reported, but I haven't actually 222 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 3: seen what Sofronoff found about me. And that was the case. 223 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: The AFP said the same thing. Luhrmann's lawyers said the 224 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 3: same thing, So that itself became part of the story, 225 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: and when the Acat government Chief Minister Andrew Barr released 226 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 3: officially the findings this week, it's fair to say that 227 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 3: Barr was furious. 228 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 4: He breached his good faith to me by releasing that 229 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 4: report ahead of giving it to who was meant to 230 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: under the legislature. 231 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 3: He said he was extremely disappointed that this had happened, 232 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: that it had compromised due process, and that the Acat 233 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: government would be looking into how it had happened. So 234 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: I guess another dimension in the last few days that 235 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: has added even more complexity to this story. 236 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 2: Tom, thanks for joining us today. 237 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: Thank you Sarah. 238 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 4: That is all we've got time for today, on the 239 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 4: day we ours have a fantastic day.