WEBVTT - The Special | Episode 2 | Delve Deeper Into.. Privilege 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.080 We would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of this 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.680 land that we record this podcast on and pay respects 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.520 to the elders, past, present and emerging. We must always 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:14.840 remember that under the concrete and asphalt that this land is, was, 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:32.919 and always will be Aboriginal Land. Hi, I'm Amanda and 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.680 I'm Rumby. Welcome to It's Lay It the Studio Special Edition. 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.680 We are still geeking over this. Wait, yes, we are 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.239 acting like we never seen nice things ever, not this 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.360 type of nice, not like this call from our little 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:49.240 laptop roomby. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:53.080 Yeah, anytime you want to come roll with me. There 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:54.840 was one call, not long call, never mind. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:01:00.800 Thank you be still singing, So we see on this podcast. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.880 Will love to go into layers. It's layer and I 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:11.160 don't think there's a more layered topic than privilege in. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.880 All its aspects. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.119 Yeah, and I think the rise of like everything happens 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:20.800 with Black Lives Matter and social movements and COVID in 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.200 itself because there was a lot of privilege attached to 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:24.360 a pandemic. 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.360 What is privilege to you. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.840 Yo, Well, immediately when you talk about privilege, I think 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:35.320 of the what's it called when you have Haley Biber, 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:37.920 What would you call white passing No, no, no, no, 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.399 no's nepotism, I think, but. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:49.280 It's not my passing white. I think I was all hathy, housy. 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:52.120 No idea anyway, but like nepotism, but like, she has 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:55.520 a privilege to be who she is because she grew 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.680 up in a successful family. Therefore she has access to 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.720 certain brands and people. So that's a form of privilege. 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.080 And I would define privilege. 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:10.560 As having an advantage over others, often in a way 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.200 that you who is privilege is not aware of or 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:18.799 is not cognizant of, because it's natural, it comes naturally, 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.320 or you're born into it, or it seems natural unless 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.239 you are told otherwise, or make sure you educate yourself otherwise. 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:26.680 Yeah. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:30.160 I think it's almost like an exposure thing, right, you think, oh, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.920 this is my normal, Yes, not realizing your normal steps 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:40.240 above someone else's. Yes, and also how their world operates 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:44.680 without that, Yeah, definitely, without that, whatever the privilege would 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:49.360 be exactly yeah, exactly. So what makes the notion of 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:54.160 privilege tricky to chat about, I think is for the 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.239 longest time, it's been tied to wealth, so people always 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:03.240 thought I'm privileged, and the word privilege meant luxury, wealth, money, 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.960 and then I think all these social movements made it 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.120 like no, no, no, back to every day, Yeah, what 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.840 is privilege? And I think people don't want to seem 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.400 like they are in favor. You know, it's easy to 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.120 play the victim. It's easy to play the one who's 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.680 been wrong done, like you're like, oh my god, like 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:26.520 poor little me. But it's harder to confidently operate in 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.160 that Oh yeah I got privilege and then what So 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.240 I think people always want to be like no, no, no, no, no, 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:34.960 I do struggling. Yeah I'm struggling too. Yeah, like I'm 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:36.920 just the same as you. They don't want to be 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.760 like no actually in that space. 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:45.160 And I think also because the world loves the underdog 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:51.520 story hundred percent, the victor over struggled, the you know, overcoming. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:56.000 We love that storyline, it's really hard to buy into like, oh, 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.960 I was born with privilege and I have even my mouthlage, 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:01.520 and I'm going to have my great grandchildren will be 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:05.640 privileged for the rest, do you understand. Yeah, it's very uncomfortable, 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.680 and as people, we don't want to have uncomfortable conversation. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.720 So that's what makes it really complex. Yeah, And I 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:18.240 think it's also just like being comfortable with being privileged. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.039 Is that hard space to like accept. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.440 Like if someone everyone's like, oh, you know, even you're 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.640 in becoming over We had to apply for a visa, yes, 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:28.599 and Tom wouldn't have had to yes. And even just 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:31.479 that conversation of he's seeing you run around get all 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.760 the papers together and he's just like, I'm literally just 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:35.560 going to rock up at the Emeralds thing and go 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.400 I'm here in Australia and Dundale. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:39.919 You're a tourist. Why would you need to? 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:44.480 And I think it's that like uncomfortable nature of it 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.440 of like you, I see you struggling and I don't 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:52.480 have to and I had no say in us being different, yes, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.520 because it's like, well what did Tom do to not 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.960 to have that? What did he himself do to be check? 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.560 And Australia and Europe have a good relationship. You can 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.360 just rock up. What did you do to be Zimbabwean 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.560 and have to apply for a visa and coming to 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:13.200 Australia as a bigger ass? Yeah, we did nothing. We 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:17.080 just existed And then why are we so different? It's 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.839 such a great comfortable right, it's a great example. Can 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:26.800 I ask, though, when did you realize you had some privilege? I? 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.960 Oh, this is whoa take me back? 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.560 Yeah, because you know, obviously you know, we've talked a 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:36.080 lot on this podcast about our lack of privilege in 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.760 a lot of areas, whether it was colonialism, whether it 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:40.680 was you know. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.560 Patriarchy, whatever. But the truth is, we are aware that 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.159 we do have privilege. But do you remember the first 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.560 time you were aware? It probably has to tie back 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:55.400 to our classes. An episode where it's like North versus South. Yes, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.960 you know, when you go to a school with other 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.720 white people in this when you have a friend, if 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:03.560 you yourself don't have a simming pool, they have a 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.440 swimming pool in their backyard. Yeah, you know, it's those 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.599 within family setups. Was gonna we I don't think we 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:12.960 could articulate. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.320 What it was for me. It was when we went 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.440 to Kumusha. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:19.240 Yes, oh my god, yes, and we were young and 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:24.640 you'd see people running after the car and like you've 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.520 never seen a car and then you get there and 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:28.880 everyone's excited to have you there. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.440 And how our parents would have to take a lot 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:35.680 of gifts and things for them and like food and 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:36.040 you have. 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:40.320 All these visitors and within the food electricity, right, so 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.720 your parents wouldn't be buying fresh milk, you would be 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:48.080 long life milks like oh my god, it's it's and how. 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.120 You look at you, like oh your dress or your 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.600 shoes or you know, or then where I think our 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.159 parents talk about an example where my brother asked when 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.760 he was really young and we go Kumusha is like 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.359 rural areas village where my dad came from or comes from, 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.880 and he was like, when are we watching TV? 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.480 Like do you get what I'm saying? And they all 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:11.400 just look at you like. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.080 Like you know, or like where's the bed when we 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:22.160 sleep on the floor? And then they're like, wow, you've 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:23.240 nailed it, because that. 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.240 Is yeah, and we think it's an experience like. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.440 Oh we need to get excited bathing in a dish, Okay, 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:31.480 we can run around. 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.240 The foot, yeah, going to try and fetch water? What 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:35.480 what all that? 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.160 And then that's someone's daily life, your little holiday, which 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.760 is what like with tourism as well, right, people like 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.880 go to these countries and set up like schools or whatever. 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.880 People are like, oh, you're just your tourists shopping for 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.120 like poverty shopping means it seems like it's that someone's 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.640 everyday life exactly, But in a way, we were doing 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.880 that in our own space exactly because for a week 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.200 it's fun to go no bath in the river, but 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.400 hey come week two, I yeah, me, I want my 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:02.760 shower exactly. 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.360 It's crazy, right, whish I never thought of it that way. 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:10.440 And then automatically with that privilege, it's people want to 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.720 be closer to you because there is that I guess, 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:17.120 and we're talking about financial privilege compared to our families, 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.640 like extended families, So people want to be closer to 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.000 people who have more access. So people are friendlier to 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.400 you or nicer to you, or sometimes was the reverse, 0:08:25.480 --> 0:08:28.600 they meaner to you because they you know, you have 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.360 that privilege over them, you know. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.560 Like comfort yourself with your bed, yes, you know, like 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.360 just you know you're fine, we can attack you because 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.200 you actually take it right, Yeah, with grace. 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:41.280 Yes, you know. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.640 I mean if we even listed different types of privilege 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.600 and the layers around them, we're gonna go there because 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.720 that's what we do on this podcast. Even like the 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:51.760 first one that comes to mind is obviously white privilege. 0:08:51.840 --> 0:08:55.120 Yes, what do you think about that? Yeah? 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.559 That's a very very layered topic. 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:00.000 I think. 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.760 It's in everything right, because it's quite interesting. I have 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:09.679 this conversation with my husband and we talk about I'll 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:11.240 ask him sometimes like would you ever want to be 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:14.280 black like me, you know, like a black woman like 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:20.959 And he's like exactly, He's like no, I think now 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.840 because he's seen what we go through and he is 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.199 a way that he's operated with that privilege. And I 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:32.959 think it's in everything right. Like, Oh, for example, the 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.040 other day, I was talking about how we dress, and 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:36.960 I was like, black people, we're very conscious of how 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:38.960 we look. You don't want to look like you're homeless 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.120 because if you look homeless, people are afraid of you. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.520 They think you're going to rob them, attack them or 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.840 something like that. Whereas our white counterparts can just move 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:51.560 around looking like a hobos and it's fine. And it's 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:54.560 like that's a form of white privilege, right, Yeah. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:56.560 I mean even in the workspaces, like we talked about 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.280 this other day. If I rock up to a meeting 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.319 just looking jeans and a tea and this is like 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:05.040 a corporate meetings like anyone else. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:06.120 Like, oh yeah, it's casual Friday. 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:08.760 For me, It's like Okay, what's wrong, you know, or 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.000 the undermine my intelligence because I must look like so 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.360 I have to always look good. Yes, put on put together, 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.000 you know, even the days of people laughing, you know, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.600 working from home, you can wear sweatsh yeah, you know. 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:24.920 And I've mentioned, I think I've mentioned before on the 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:28.000 podcast about living in the Czech Republic. How as soon 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.440 as you step out the door, I'm very conscious of 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:34.120 who I am and my skin and being aware of 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:38.679 not being threatening, being polite, smiling, but also. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:40.840 In the background you not too you know. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.640 So things like that where you have to think about 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:50.120 how you are perceived constantly is a privilege? Is an 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:53.360 what's the opposite of privilege? It's a handicap that I 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.439 have compared to yeah, someone. 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.200 Yeah, but you can go in what about and this 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:03.240 is a good one white passing. Oh not that I'm 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.600 white passing. So I'm just gonna talk as if. But 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:10.160 isn't that handy because you can, like you can go 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:13.040 both sides. Yes, you know, you can, you know, can 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:16.280 invite it to the cookout, but you also can be 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.760 people don't even realize. Yes, and you know in Australia, 0:11:20.120 --> 0:11:23.280 I mean similar to African American experience. We've got first 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.400 nations people and some of them are white passing, and 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:29.480 there is privileged people are like, oh your first nation, 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.079 like people don't even like and there's a take back. 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:34.679 Like oh yeah. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:35.920 And that even that us like why does it make 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.679 a difference? But it does, right, that's why you're acknowledging. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:41.199 In South Africa and you know in a part day 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.800 they used to the and I think also in America 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.040 during slavery they use the pencil. 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.559 Yes, or like a brown paper bag. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:52.920 How if the pencil fell through your hair, got more privilege? 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.880 Yeah, it sounds so stupid, like yeah, well brown paper 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.560 bag comparing you how life you are compared or dark 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:02.960 you are compared. Yeah, there is privilege with it because obviously, yeah, 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.160 you can tow the line. And like I'll have to say, 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.600 even Jerome now being a biracial child so far, he 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.360 looks white passing. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.240 Sometimes his hair is coming through the Thank God for 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.520 the afro. His hair is giving him away. 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.920 It's like oh yeah, but like it's sometimes I see 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.160 him in daycare, when I see my around other kids, 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:26.000 it's like, oh okay, I get it. And even when 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:29.160 I pick him up, the educators that don't know me 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.840 will like point me to the black kid and I'm like, oh, no, no, no, I'm. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.079 Here for that one. That one's mine. 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:39.000 You know, they're like, oh, and I think when I'm 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.880 traveling with him, am I gonna look like the help? Yeah? 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:43.920 Exactly when I'm with this, And then you have to 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.280 think about also how you look being presentable? 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.439 Lord? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about male privilege? 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.280 Oh I can go in man's plaining, Oh my god, 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:59.560 and I hate men's plainings, brou but yeah, tied to patriarchy, yeah, 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.400 to you know, just like the respect they get. I 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:07.320 think watching the Bobby Movie again again, you know, our 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:10.520 last season was very much Bobby era, very influenced by that. 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:14.800 And how can leaving the Bobby world went into the 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.760 real world and saw the amount of privilege that men 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.240 had so enticed by that, I think that was a 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:26.440 great depiction of like male privilege. You know, like you 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:31.160 can just anything goes, You're respected, you don't have to 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.960 you can be arrogant and it's confident. Absolutely, you can 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:36.959 be a dick and it's like, oh he gets the 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.280 job done. Exactly On a farther level, if you just 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.560 told your child people are like. 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:45.280 You're such a great ya. Oh wow, you changed that piece. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:45.600 Whoa. 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.160 Yeah, the bar is low, so low, So like I 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.680 would consider being a male just for that privilege. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.439 Yeah right, you don't have to show up really and. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.120 Also even if you think about on a health perspective, Yeah, 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.720 they were talking about hormones and like how men wake 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:03.040 up with tosterone and it's pretty much on the same 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.160 keen level and women we go through the I think 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:09.720 in one week where it's like things are good, yeah, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.480 and the rest of the time we're finding some sort 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:11.920 of struggle. 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.000 My sister was telling me. 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.000 That population what is a luteal phases and all you 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.520 can go deep into a child in the biology book 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.040 and you'll see yeah, like and you're like, okay, so 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.800 we are actually governed by our hormones and men are like. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.520 Oh, you guys are being difficult because they never have that. 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:28.240 I have that. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.680 My sister explains, I don't know what it's called, guys, 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.520 I'm very bad with terminology, but how men go through 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:37.120 a certain phases, like a cycle, like maybe. 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:40.480 Our whole cycle luteo whatever. Men like they do it 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.360 in the space of a day. So that's why they 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:43.080 can be consistent. 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.600 They can consistently wake up, go to the gym with 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.000 know like, oh do I feel like it? Or so emotional, 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:51.520 but women like it's a different ball game. 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:53.840 And then obviously the world. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.760 Is made easy for men. 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:59.520 It's all, you know, constructed, so men can thrive and 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.480 we're as women trying to fit into that. 0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:06.120 Right, that's sad, so sad. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:11.600 What about gender, I think having said that about males 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.760 quite funny because sometimes there is a bit of gender 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.400 privilege being a female. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:16.920 Like even if you think about. 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:20.720 Ukraine or Gaza, people are like the women and the children. Yeah, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.640 the men have to stay back and find Yes, it's 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:24.600 like I've never. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.960 Had a gun before. I'm sure some guys are like 0:15:27.480 --> 0:15:29.280 I don't want to, I don't want to do it. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.040 Yeah, so there is a bit of obviously we're more protected, 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.040 I guess, and there's in a patriarchal society, society with 0:15:36.160 --> 0:15:39.160 damsels in distress, but it has its privileges. 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:42.840 Even like on a day two pays. Yeah, a lot 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:43.720 of men or. 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.880 Even if my my tire punctures, it's okay if I 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.040 look helpless it it was a male I wish. I'm 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.800 sure you're like to even like my husband finds it 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:55.040 so hard to ask for help. Yes, even in a store, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.960 he will like go come back, and I didn't find it. 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.080 I looked and did you ask? 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.680 Yeah, asking because it's I can't look helpless. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:07.120 Yes, yeah, where's women? 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.840 It was like I'll find and even I even have 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.400 purpose is sometimes acted dumb to get what I need 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:17.560 because I'm just like it's playing to this guy's ego. Ego, Yes, 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:19.720 and they will need to get what we need and 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:20.240 move on. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:25.040 Yeah, so true. So this nice to be a woman. Yeah, 0:16:25.080 --> 0:16:29.000 you're like carrying stuff. Don't carry that, you're so gentle, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:30.760 just please my nails. 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.280 Yeah, exactly exactly, I mean carrying on for that. What 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.280 about heterosexual privilege, oh. 0:16:36.720 --> 0:16:41.040 Thousand percent, Like you don't have to go to the bathroom. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.320 You just don't even think twice, like you're like, oh, 0:16:43.360 --> 0:16:46.560 of course, like I go here and you go there, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.680 or like just the way marriage is set up for 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.240 the longest time. You know a lot of people are 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.800 not still to this day able to be married or 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.800 together because of laws and restrictions. I mean we come 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.680 from a country where it's a legal yeah, which is 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:06.000 like wild illegal like proper, Yeah. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:07.600 And then this appears like you gander where they're mandating 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.840 that you can just do whatever you want. If you're 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:13.159 someone who's not hereterosexual, we can just beat you up. Yeah, 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.840 And it's like in the world twenty four is still 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.760 arguing over this, like what does my love life have 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.640 to do with anybody else? 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:27.080 Yeah, So definitely, I think there's privilege in just being 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:30.119 able to just we heard stories. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.320 Of ok, people making cakes for weddings and not realizing 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.600 it's like a gay couple or something, and then once 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:37.200 they do, like you know in the South, like in America, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:38.720 and once they do, they don't want to put like 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:40.920 two males on the you know, the topper. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:44.960 So they refuse. So oh yeah, refuse service. And you're like, why, 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.720 how is it exact same cake you're making. How's it 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.880 affecting you're paying you? Yeah, how's it affecting anyway? Which 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:52.320 is there's definitely publiged in that space. 0:17:52.359 --> 0:17:54.000 Tying on to that, it's sister gender. I think I 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:55.840 mentioned it with the with the toilet thing. 0:17:56.040 --> 0:18:00.639 Yeah, yeah, or even like how how does it feel 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.880 to be comfortable knowing you are who you are? 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:05.720 And then someone who doesn't We need. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.679 To allow space for that yeah, like I don't know 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.000 how it feel to think, Okay, I'm born female, but 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.360 I don't feel yeah, and then how do I now operate? 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:20.000 And then it all filters a young age, right, like 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.200 how they define you when you're born, right. 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.399 Like you have a baby, healthy baby boy and for 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:29.440 the rest of your life and toys you get, toy 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:34.520 cars you get and it's just like, really all society 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.960 is molded in this like male female, and this is 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.800 who you are and anything in between. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.840 It's like, we don't know what to do with that. Yeah, yeah, kind. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:46.439 Of, I mean moving off that, and I mean we 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:48.480 touched this a bit about this with Zimbabwe, but what 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:54.240 about socio economic privilege like money. 0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:59.199 I mean money really governs the world. And then we 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.040 can go in and we've talked about obviously classism in 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:07.840 our previous episodes in Zimbabwetha rives all this and it's 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.679 the level of respect some people get just because you 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.560 look like you are well to do so you deserve 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:18.320 more respect, which is if anyone I was watching Succession 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:19.440 on the plane, I've been talking. 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:20.800 I've been I think every day I've. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.640 Been mentioning this, watching Succession, and you're seeing this these 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.119 hyper privileged people, and I'm like, who, what, Why the 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.720 hell do they deserve any respect from anybody? Like they 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.480 have no conscience, They're just so selfish and you know, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.720 but the world we live in will give them many 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.879 many chances to be misogynists and whatnot and what not 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.840 because of their socio economic standing as compared to someone 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.640 who isn't well. They also treat you like your disposal boy, yes, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.880 because in some ways to them. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.040 You are Yeah, I can buy you, I can. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.359 But do you think opposite thinking, especially like now in 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.520 terms of inheritance and things like that, Like obviously always 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:06.440 thinking about how to improve each generation and generational wealth. 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:08.320 Is a thing. Yeah, you talked about that as well. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.080 Do you think there's a way to operate when you 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:15.520 are more well to do financially like without how do 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:16.440 you help that? 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.280 I think be a human, have a heart, I don't know, 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:23.760 humble yourself. Maybe they need to go kumosha as well 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:24.480 once in a while. 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.240 Yes, you did speak about that, and that probably now 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.880 I look back on and yeah, those are probably humbling experiences. 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.280 You get back home and switching on. 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.639 That light like you're like a Charlie, I'm glad I 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.440 have electricity exactly. And I think even like you can 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.960 teach people to be good humans, bright like you, because 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:46.760 I think assholes are taught or nurtured one So just 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.640 teach people to have some level of consideration. Tying into 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.680 pet peeves about not making, you know, raising your child 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:55.840 like you don't you can't move around them better than 0:20:55.920 --> 0:20:58.639 you because X Y Z, And just like respect for 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.280 people and understand of where people come from doesn't mean 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.560 you have to like everyone. Doesn't mean you have to 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:08.040 sit and take everything from everyone, but at least not 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:08.840