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Speaker 1: remember that under the concrete and asphalt that this land is, was,

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Speaker 1: and always will be Aboriginal Land. Hi, I'm Amanda and

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Speaker 1: I'm Rumby. Welcome to It's Lay It the Studio Special Edition.

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Speaker 1: We are still geeking over this. Wait, yes, we are

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Speaker 1: acting like we never seen nice things ever, not this

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Speaker 1: type of nice, not like this call from our little

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Speaker 2: Yeah, anytime you want to come roll with me. There

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Speaker 2: was one call, not long call, never mind.

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Speaker 1: Thank you be still singing, So we see on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Will love to go into layers. It's layer and I

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Speaker 1: don't think there's a more layered topic than privilege in.

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Speaker 2: All its aspects.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think the rise of like everything happens

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Speaker 2: What is privilege to you.

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Speaker 3: Yo, Well, immediately when you talk about privilege, I think

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Speaker 3: of the what's it called when you have Haley Biber,

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Speaker 3: What would you call white passing No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: It's not my passing white. I think I was all hathy, housy.

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Speaker 1: And I would define privilege.

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Speaker 3: As having an advantage over others, often in a way

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Speaker 1: I think it's almost like an exposure thing, right, you think, oh,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the bar is low, so low, So like I

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Speaker 2: And then obviously the world.

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Speaker 2: Even like on a day two pays. Yeah, a lot

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Speaker 1: Even if my my tire punctures, it's okay if I

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Speaker 1: It was like I'll find and even I even have

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Speaker 1: because I'm just like it's playing to this guy's ego. Ego, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, I mean carrying on for that. What

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Speaker 3: Thousand percent, Like you don't have to go to the bathroom.

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Speaker 2: So they refuse. So oh yeah, refuse service. And you're like, why,

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Speaker 2: how is it exact same cake you're making. How's it

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Speaker 3: Tying on to that, it's sister gender. I think I

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Speaker 2: It's like, we don't know what to do with that. Yeah, yeah, kind.

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Speaker 3: I mean money really governs the world. And then we

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Speaker 1: Been mentioning this, watching Succession, and you're seeing this these

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Speaker 2: I think be a human, have a heart, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: humble yourself. Maybe they need to go kumosha as well

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Speaker 1: Yes, you did speak about that, and that probably now

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Speaker 1: I think assholes are taught or nurtured one So just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean really, succession is really bad. That's really

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Speaker 1: I am so ashamed to admit that I never thought

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Speaker 2: Where?

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Speaker 2: And they're like it's all the way in the backs

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Speaker 1: Like it's annoying, especially when you can't find parking, which

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Speaker 1: Just assuming like oh they can make it, make do,

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, think about this.

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Speaker 1: But having said that, do you think he can also

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Speaker 1: No, yes, parole is like ten years is already it's

438
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: been ten years girl.

439
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: No, yeah, up for parole and you know in South

440
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 2: Africa it will be granted like it's not even.

441
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that sounds like I can't be racist because

442
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: you know in this context.

443
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, but wow, I mean, but I gotta know.

444
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: I mean, they're facing so many different things that I

445
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: think it's okay to sometimes play up that card.

446
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure, because in most.

447
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 1: Spaces you're added, yes, when you're not able bodied. So

448
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: and I hate the assumption sometimes when you're disabled physically,

449
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: especially that you are also mentally. Oh yeah, especially in

450
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: our community, you're not to.

451
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: Be seen, you're not the way tucked away. Did you

452
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: pray enough?

453
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: Because if you hadn't prayed, that's why he or she

454
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 1: turned out this way. So it's like it's almost like

455
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: a death sentence. And in a space like zimbabwesh because

456
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know even schools.

457
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah I think there was one.

458
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: I think that new or something I know, but the

459
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: whole of Zimbable goes to this one school.

460
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wilds so true. I must say. In our

461
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 3: family extended family, we have a relative who was wheelchair

462
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: ridden but was always there the family gather that always

463
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: like always there, so that's that's pretty dope.

464
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 2: But about religion, the privilege.

465
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 3: And we're seeing the issues just feeling privileged in the

466
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 3: Gaza conflict because it's like one person feels their right

467
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: and I think there's a privilege to being Christian. Yeah,

468
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 3: I feel like there is, you know, a privilege to

469
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 3: being Jewish, like because obviously being very conscious they went

470
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: through a lot, like you know, with Holocaust and all this,

471
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: but there's a handicapped being like Muslim or you know,

472
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: it's because.

473
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: People don't understand your religious like ninety eleven did not

474
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: help Muslims at all, because now Americans and people who

475
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: drive that type of media just think, yes, you know,

476
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: the worst at airport's.

477
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, so they see the distinction, right, and especially

478
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: because their religion is quite visible for women to wear

479
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 3: burkers and you know, so then it's quite in your face,

480
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 3: and I think, if I'm not mistaken, in the Czech Republic,

481
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 3: they banned the wearing of burkers in France as.

482
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: Well something and I was like, so what now, how yeah,

483
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: how like how does that affect you?

484
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: But just so you don't intimidate.

485
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: Or like, you know, and the assumption that Christians have

486
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: that Muslims, especially when comes to women.

487
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: It's tied to oppression.

488
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there's some women who love their religion.

489
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: It's not type to pressure the same way Christians are.

490
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: But it's like yeah, definitely, or if you're atheist, then

491
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 3: you don't believe in anything. And now people are like,

492
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 3: let's pray, like to.

493
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: Whom I got, did I send them a Bible versus yeah.

494
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: Like stop and I've noticed I don't know if you

495
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: have the same thing. We notice a lot with myself.

496
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: When he comes to Zimbabwe especially, I just tell him

497
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: put up with He doesn't have a right to say,

498
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: oh no, I don't want to just sit there like

499
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: a chat, or I'll step outside out of respect to you.

500
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: And if you think about it on like a you know,

501
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: on a basic level, he is meant to say, you know, look,

502
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: this is not because why would he stay in the

503
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: room and pretend to appease you, And yet you don't

504
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: want to do the opposite where it's like, okay, let's

505
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: not pray.

506
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 2: Because it makes him uncomfortable for sure, and you don't

507
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: go to church. You know, they don't understand that.

508
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: They're just like it's like that I don't eat meat.

509
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: Remove the meat guy you have. It's like, I just

510
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 2: not how it works.

511
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 3: I remember when I I had my vegan era and

512
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 3: I'll be like, oh, I'm vegan what and I don't

513
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: eat meat? Oh, so make chicken and I'm like, or

514
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: we'll make eggs.

515
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Well you know then that actually shows that the privilege

516
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: in itself exactly where you can just operate without any

517
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: of these tolerances to food and people respect that they'll

518
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: consider to consider you.

519
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

520
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: We really someone needs to do a movie like with

521
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: just Zimbos and how left field.

522
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they can. There's so many WTF moments like

523
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: being a Zimbable and you're just like yeah, and you

524
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 2: have to roll the person. You can't find any one always,

525
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: you can't fight me up. It's like no, don't just

526
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: take the meat out, like the meat cooked in.

527
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: Like they're like, okay, what about passport privilege?

528
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: And I feel like you can talk on this because shifts.

529
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: I have seen the ship on my own personal journey,

530
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: obviously being Zimbabwe when I came to Australia, then becoming

531
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: an Australian citizen and traveling under both passports is literally

532
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: day and night. Yeah, I have never thought about anything.

533
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: When I'm on Australian one. I'm just like sometimes I

534
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: probably think if someone was going to ask me for

535
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: a visa, I probably rock up with that one and

536
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: go oh oops, because I forgot all about it. I

537
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: think when you go to Brazil or something, you have

538
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: to apply for a visa before, even as an Australian,

539
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: so you have to get like yellow.

540
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: Fever and all these things.

541
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: But that's the only place everywhere else has been like

542
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: just in yeah, yeah, you want to come see our country,

543
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: just walk on the converse, you know. And then Zimbabwe

544
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: is the utter opposite.

545
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 3: Of like when I was applying for my visa here,

546
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 3: and I think I also had a level of privilege

547
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: a because of where I now live, yeah, and b

548
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: because of who I'm married to. But like, for instance,

549
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 3: his visa that he applied in solidarity with me, he went.

550
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: The same as me. He gotta love Tom solidarity.

551
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 3: He went the same route with me for the application,

552
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: and his visa came out before mine. Child, don't you

553
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,479
Speaker 3: read the yeah exactly the fact it was quick fus

554
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: like literally we applied the same same information, same time,

555
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: sent the same time. His came out maybe two three

556
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: weeks prior to mine, and for me, it was like

557
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: I think they were like, girl, just remember which passed.

558
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 3: You just sweared out a little a little bit longer,

559
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: just a little And if you think about opportunities missed, yes,

560
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, I couldn't get a visa, Yes, you know,

561
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: and they say, okay, the next person. If it's for

562
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: a job or whatever, they're not gonna wait. If it's

563
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 3: something that needs to be done, they're around for you.

564
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: And even then I had privilege of having traveled before

565
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: we get into that. Yeah, because then, I mean, part

566
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: of the visa application is like proof of travel, proof

567
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: of visa. I don't know how many million stamps I

568
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: was just putting in the thing to show, to show

569
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: that I actually have seen parts of the world and

570
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: photos too, right, like you know, like that's literally someone.

571
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: Has to really, Yes, you show them your whole life, your.

572
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: Whole life, where if someone's never had that, you are

573
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: already step back.

574
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: I remember when applying for my cousin to come, and

575
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 1: obviously this was when I just given birth and I

576
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: wanted to support and I remember it was like, okay,

577
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: now we've never traveled anywhere, and I had to play

578
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: that my mom's dead card, like you know, I had

579
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: to be like I need support card, mental health card,

580
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, like, and I'm sure the person reading this

581
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: was like, this is a risk. And even then they

582
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: only gave them a single entry three months to the

583
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: bare minimum, like we're chancing it, yeah, you know, and

584
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: even then they first denied it before.

585
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: As you know.

586
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: So it's like after all that, if you've never been anywhere,

587
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: when when you're gonna get the opportunity to go anywhere?

588
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: If you can't.

589
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: And here's the kicker though, is I know Zimbabweans that

590
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 3: are way more traveled than people I've met in the

591
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 3: so called first world country, and we love to travel.

592
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: It's not for lack of I think obviously because of circumstances.

593
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: We are just more.

594
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 3: But even for pleasure and leisure, we like to travel

595
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: or we're curious. And I'm like, we still manage to

596
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: do it, holding the green bomba make it work, make

597
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 3: it work, so willing to be willing to suffer for that?

598
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: I mean carrying on from that obviously birthplace then becomes

599
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: a privilege something you don't even decide, yes, like your parents.

600
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Just when I'm bammed somewhere and your mom was like,

601
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: I'll just give birth here and then that decides the

602
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: rest of your life. People do those travel passport tourism, Yes,

603
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: what is it tourism pregnancies? Yes, where they go to

604
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: countries when they know if I give birth to this country,

605
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: my child will be a citizen, you know in some

606
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: place like Switzerland, I think, where it doesn't matter if

607
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: you're one here, you'll never be never be like also

608
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: the yeah, yeah, so isn't that just crazy? Yeah, it's

609
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: insane because you don't choose. That's why saying is.

610
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: Lack of the draw where you're born, Like, you don't

611
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 3: choose who your family is, even if you dial it

612
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 3: down on a micro levelism, you don't choose if you're

613
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 3: born north of Samura or.

614
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: South of like you weren't like birth me here.

615
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 3: That's just and yeah exactly so definitely a lot of

616
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: privilege there.

617
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 2: So what about location privilege? I guess what I mean,

618
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 2: like that.

619
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: Same as like north or south, or like being born

620
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: in as opposed to a smaller town.

621
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, also where you live, like now like you're living

622
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 3: here in Melbourne, yes, living, I don't know somewhere else,

623
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: you know, the.

624
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: Middle of nowhere.

625
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, regional areas obviously getting less or more expensive

626
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: stuff because it's taken so much to get it there.

627
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.

628
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, so much like every decision actually think

629
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: about it is like okay, privilege, but how are you

630
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna live with this go around apologics? Yeah, geographical is

631
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: the same. I mean, there's no reason why we were

632
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: born in Southern Africa as opposed to like South Sudan

633
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: and the civil war you know what this daily exactly.

634
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: That's a good point to remember because I remember so

635
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: many times in my life I was like, why was

636
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: I born Zimbabwean from this little country with all these

637
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: issues and this freaking passport and you can go on.

638
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 3: But it's also a good reminder that others have it

639
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: worse and they also didn't even choose.

640
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, I.

641
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: Can't imagine fleeing from my country literally from having to like,

642
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: I think the most for me modern day seeing that

643
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: happen was obviously Ukraine. Yes, that was a wake up

644
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: call for me because I'd never really seen like people fleeing,

645
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: people fleeing and people talk of it, but I think

646
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: maybe the documentation obviously of Ukraine was on a much

647
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: different scale to other countries, which is another situation in itself. Yes,

648
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: but seeing like all these people just uprooted and Russia

649
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: is coming, and it's like.

650
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: Imagine, can you imagine?

651
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, people are moving back, moving back home.

652
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: They're like we done with y'all and being like discriminated against.

653
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: So yeah, what about the ooh the privilege of non immigration?

654
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: Oh tell us girl.

655
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: Do we even need to go into as someone who's

656
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: obviously not celebrating Christmas anywhere near my family?

657
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: Like you imagine that? Yeah, just dad is down the road.

658
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: And it's WoT to me to think you can exist

659
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: in a world where your siblings, your parents, you live

660
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: in the same friends, your workmates.

661
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: And that's your life everything. It does not exist. My

662
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: brain cannot cogniate when you.

663
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: Travel somewhere it's for traveling for pleasure or business, not

664
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: because that's your home away from home.

665
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 2: That's wild. Your home is your home.

666
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: Imagine like us having grown up in sin gone to

667
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: the schools you went to, and then stayed there for university,

668
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: for university work, our family. I feel like I'll be

669
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: a different person you would be even just hearing that,

670
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, would even recognize myself because.

671
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 2: How would you operate. Yeah, you wouldn't even think.

672
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: Because our parents when they grew up, like they were

673
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: quick for us to return back to Oh yeah, like

674
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: they were like they went outside for education, Like okay,

675
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: if that if the scholarships or whatever they were given.

676
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 3: A lot of them were on scholarships had been granted

677
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 3: within the homeland, they would have just you know, if

678
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: it wasn't like, oh, come to Oxford or comege whatever,

679
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: they would have just stayed.

680
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I still did stay. They graduated and

681
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 2: packed up and moved back.

682
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: Because I think my parents like graduated university and immediately

683
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: like moved back, bought a house, got married.

684
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

685
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: I was just like, and nothing irks me more than

686
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: when our parents don't understand that it's different for us, Yes,

687
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: because it's like, no, I don't have to balance always thinking. Oh,

688
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: like when you wake up there's a thousand calls on

689
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: your phone and you're like, if I was just home,

690
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: I would just pop on over. Yes, that's like it's

691
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: completely different ball game, or when you have to have

692
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: a holiday away from your holiday because when you go

693
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: home for two weeks, stress, stress, working, slaving, Oh, we're

694
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: going to have a barbecue for you, but you're slavy.

695
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Give us that money and making in Australia will check

696
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: Republic and you're like that's crazy, yeah, yeah, yeah.

697
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: What about like transportation, like this is such a you

698
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: talked about going Musha and yeah, not having access obviously

699
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: to a car, yes, or like we have the comfort

700
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: of that, you know, even for example, my grandma who's

701
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: passed away now, she lived in rural Zimbabwe and she

702
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: was ill and they had to get a car to

703
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: transport her from the village to the city when she

704
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: passed away.

705
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: But just that having to mission to get that, or

706
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 3: even things like ambulance like in zim Gary I've forgotten

707
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 3: his surname of Zimbabwean artists passed. My parents who passed away,

708
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: he couldn't get to a hospital in time. He could

709
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: have survived, but because of that lack of access to

710
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: medical transportation lost his life. That I think that's a

711
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: clear black and white of like access to how can

712
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,280
Speaker 3: it can be such a make such a major difference.

713
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 3: And on the converse, I think I've seen it save

714
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: the life of my father in law because he was

715
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 3: able to get immediate access to the ambulance yea, and

716
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: get immediately served like in the in the hospital and operated.

717
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: On even when we were attual for your hairdresser, she's like, oh,

718
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: I have to leave here by this time if I

719
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: don't go, yes, And it's like okay, obviously certain areas

720
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: have more public transport than other areas and we have

721
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: to be cognizant of that, like oh wow, okay, yeah,

722
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 1: we have to get you home.

723
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least drop you somewhere yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

724
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: Whereas some people would never think that you just jump

725
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: in your car, but we need to go, or you

726
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: do have public transport, yeah, Like I remember my like

727
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: parent now she's always complaining about how Australia's public transports

728
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: st compared to Europe, where it's like you know, no,

729
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 1: you don't actually look at you like a lot of time.

730
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, in Europe Czech Republic, where they're like, oh you

731
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: have a car, like it's actually like not a necessity

732
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: because of that, but like yeah, definitely.

733
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you're is this this thing be deep? This?

734
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: I like this one because I think I saw TikTok

735
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: recently talking about it. Okay, beauty and the privilege, pretty yeah,

736
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: I saw TikTok about use your pretty privilege?

737
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? Well, I think I

738
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 2: talked about it.

739
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: We're talking about males female and I said, sometimes I've had.

740
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: To like flatter, flick the hair. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

741
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 2: I don't know.

742
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: I guess I've never really had to use it when

743
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: it's in the monst like it's always with males. I

744
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: suppose I've never had to really, I don't think it

745
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: really works with I don't know with other females, women's,

746
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: women's even women I hate us. Yeah we are we

747
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: like you think cute, Yeah exactly, but like with men, Yeah.

748
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes I tap into it.

749
00:39:51,960 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: Man confession, Yeah, story time, you have to because it's

750
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: like to your disposal, like it's like an arsenal, you know.

751
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: But having said that, it's annoying when you see someone

752
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: else is pretty at yeah, or like it ties in

753
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: or white privilege or blonde bobby girl time.

754
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: There's someone who's more privileged in that. But I think also.

755
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: Beauty privilege could tie into what we're talking about being presentable.

756
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and how you present yourself, how you look

757
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: compared to someone else, can create opportunities for you. Obviously,

758
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: we know you can like pretty privilege. Literally you people

759
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: have careers off that yeah, of course, but people be like,

760
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 3: she must have slept with you. Yes, But like beyond that,

761
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 3: I think even just being able to conduct yourself in

762
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 3: a certain way. Put you can do your makeup, you

763
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 3: can look clean and put together like that, people are like, Okay,

764
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 3: you deserve this or treat you this way.

765
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: Yes, you know.

766
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: And then there's like labels as well, even in our dressing.

767
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: And obviously say this as a stylist, but like the

768
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: way we dress, people would judge, h she wears those

769
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: label she must be this person.

770
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

771
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Like if I come in you're stepping up in a

772
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: chinchilla I mean coat or whatever, y'all will be like

773
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: she's that type.

774
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: Of person, you know, Yes, definitely, And it's like it's

775
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 3: absolutely a lie. The whole notion of don't judge a

776
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: book by its cover when it comes to people, I

777
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 3: think we want people to judge for who we are.

778
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but I.

779
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,720
Speaker 3: On thousand percent think it's not possible, especially a fear

780
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: for certain you.

781
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Why do you think? Though?

782
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 3: What we talked about, it's like, oh, can I trust you?

783
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 3: There's an element of like trust and whatever, And I

784
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: think it's a form of an icebreaker.

785
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's kind of.

786
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: And I say this not to say that you must

787
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: all be about image and how you do. I say

788
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: this like, set yourself up for success by being a

789
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: bit more cognizant of how you present yourself because then

790
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: you have a little less work to do in terms

791
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 3: of breaking certain barriers, which is sad, but it's the

792
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: reality the world.

793
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy that that's from a Western view as well?

794
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: Like I remember when I was a kid, if my

795
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: mom have addressed in traditional African way, I'd be like,

796
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: we are not yes anyway, looking like yes.

797
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: Then you then get.

798
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: Pride in your own as you grow older, as you

799
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 1: grow older, like what that's my identity? Like it's okay,

800
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: yeah for sure, you know for sure. So it's such

801
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: a weird thing from whose gays.

802
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,439
Speaker 2: Is this coming from? Okay? Definitely? What do you think

803
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: about age?

804
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: Well, for example, the music industry, the younger you are,

805
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: the more successful you'll be. The music industry is willing

806
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: to put money behind you and say, okay, you're worth funding.

807
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 2: And if you're older, oh no, one's gonna want to

808
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: buy albums from you.

809
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 3: Im like houseway, Yeah, like maybe I have more life

810
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: to tell my music.

811
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's such a weird one as well, because

812
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,439
Speaker 1: that one can work both ways because in zim our

813
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: parents did have the privilege that they were born in

814
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,240
Speaker 1: that certain era of you know, the Renaissance of Zim

815
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: black empowerment, and then like there were loans and all

816
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: these things they were given.

817
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 2: And then now they're like buy a house. You're like

818
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: from what with what money?

819
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: You know, I have the handicap of being born now

820
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: after like financial crisis. So or even if you put

821
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: it in a Western way, like a lot of people

822
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: will say, like my rent is more than what my parents'

823
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: mortgage was, and then they'll be like, oh, buy a house,

824
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: because in the seventies or sixties they could, you know,

825
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: they could for like much less than what we're buying

826
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: houses for now.

827
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: So it's like it works both ways.

828
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: It can be an aging thing, but it'll also be

829
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: like you're lucky you were born in that era where

830
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: you did have Like I think a friend of the podcast, Christine,

831
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: she said to me, were discussing how she was like

832
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: with the first generation, I think that's not going to

833
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: be more successful than materialistic wise than our parents. Yeah,

834
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: because it was always like from the fifties the sixties,

835
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: everyone's improving, improving, the moving we got.

836
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: Then the shitty end of the stick to be.

837
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, we by friend and our parents peaked and there

838
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,959
Speaker 1: Now we're not going.

839
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: To suggest Yeah, that's true. I was going to say too.

840
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 3: In terms of age, I think of my mom at

841
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: the time she got married. She said she it was

842
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: not possible for her to get alone from the bank

843
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: because she was a woman, and like now it's like.

844
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: Who you know things like that.

845
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like for example, before women couldn't vote and

846
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: now we can vote.

847
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 1: So there's also that kind of privilege with age and time.

848
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: I guess over time things have changed.

849
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean there's so many types. You can

850
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: sit here all day.

851
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: All day and not at all every but how do

852
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: we acknowledge our own privilege? So you're you're in this space,

853
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: someone's pointed out something to you, Oh that's just because

854
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: you're heterosexual, Well that's because you're whatever. How do you

855
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: acknowledge and move with that with knowing your knowing your

856
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: privilege or maybe giving a space for those without that

857
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: specific place. Yeah, I think it ties into our episode

858
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: on Allyship, which is being just listen and be more

859
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: supportive and don't come with the energy of all lives

860
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: matter we spoke about, don't come with.

861
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 2: That, you know.

862
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: I think it's also saying it's okay to acknowledge your

863
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: privilege because you're also disadvantaged in some aspects.

864
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're not all.

865
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 3: Yes, and it's okay to acknowledge it and maybe try

866
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: to use your privilege for good to help someone, yeah,

867
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: have it a little bit better, and to support someone consideration,

868
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: because I think the world tries to sell us this

869
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: notion of like for me to succeed and someone needs

870
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: to suffer. But I'm like, imagine how progressive the world

871
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: gets if we all uplift each other, Like everyone's life

872
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: can get a little bit better.

873
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's not going to kill you, and you

874
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: can acknowledge your privilege.

875
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 2: Yes, it's okay too.

876
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's what you do after you've acknowledged it. That exactly,

877
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: because the acknowledgement is obvious. My guy, like a white male,

878
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: we don't have to be asking you nil you feel

879
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: it or not?

880
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 2: We know, but like then what And I think it's

881
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: a stigma.

882
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 3: I guess people feel like because immediately, for example, using

883
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 3: the Kardashians, who I love to watch.

884
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: My guilty pleasure.

885
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: You know, we were kind of happy to watch them

886
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: when they started off because they were successful but not

887
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: too successful, right.

888
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but now for example, like dealists with people, but

889
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: now I mean people on them about for example, Kim's

890
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: Christmas decorations, like the amount of money they spend and

891
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing.

892
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: So people typically try to tear.

893
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 1: Down people who have really visible privilege. Yeah, you know,

894
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: even even flying private jets trouble for me exactly. So

895
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: I think that's why it's so hard to admit your privilege,

896
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: but then also use your platform like Kim uses it

897
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: for her legal stuff or whatever. Whether or not people

898
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: buy into it, that's that's your whatever. I don't even

899
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: think I buy into it, to be fair, But at

900
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: least she's trying to do something.

901
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: It's better than just being privileged like and actually zooms

902
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: libs are terrible for this. They'll be like, ooh, I'm

903
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 3: so privileged, I have this, how's it down there something?

904
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, look at what I have. At least she's

905
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: even trying to be like, let me get you out

906
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: of jail.

907
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, definitely, because then you'd hope, in her scenario,

908
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 1: should have a good team behind.

909
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: So she's the face of that.

910
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: There's people were actually, yeah, properly looking Okay, it's this

911
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: person worthy of exactly zonerating, whereas in the ZIM situations

912
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: like okay, who's this helping you?

913
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: Showing off your boken.

914
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, but it's so unrelatable ziom syllibs.

915
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 2: Do better, do better.

916
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,760
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's such a great topic, I think because

917
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: we don't think about it's nice talk about we suffer,

918
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 3: but it's also good to be like, I also have

919
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 3: some benefits, and you know, and I think we are

920
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 3: quite open about our privilege in certain aspects. Yeah, yeah,

921
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 3: I think when we dropped that CLASSESM episode, yeah, people

922
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: were like, okay, these girls are not hiding behind you know. Yeah,

923
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 3: and it's sad that the world operates like that, but yeah,

924
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: we have to take a moment to acknowledge that even

925
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: to do this podcasts trying to represent there was a

926
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 3: privilege to tied to it's financial privilege, travel privilege.

927
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all sorts access access, because.

928
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: That's why we also like always talk about like even

929
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: on YouTube, making sure we always have our episodes up

930
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, because we're like, we know it's very

931
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: easily accessible for U Zimbabwe and not everyone can Spotify

932
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: hey having a credit card, so you really like, do

933
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: you even have the app?

934
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: Yes? For a while. Wasn't it bailable in South Africa?

935
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: Remember for a long time actually, so that's why people

936
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: just go with Apple Music yes as well.

937
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah, we hope you enjoyed this. You know

938
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: us we can dealt forever.

939
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: But yeah, send us your comments, your thoughts are the

940
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 3: other privileges we didn't even touch on that. We didn't

941
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 3: maybe hear privilege and we can go on.

942
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 2: Yeah girl, it's everywhere. But yeah, thanks so much. Yeah,

943
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: so good to have you and me.

944
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: This has been crazy recording with you right across. It's

945
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: so used to it being like a screen, definitely.

946
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: And now she's heavy, here's pinched me moments.

947
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening and we'll catch you on the

948
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Speaker 1: next episode. Bye guys. To t