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Speaker 2: Big?

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Speaker 1: Guess what I've got not just for you, but for

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Speaker 1: the listeners as well, A very big, super special, juicy

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Speaker 1: surprise dropping in your ears right now, right the second

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Speaker 1: to get ready for it? Sit down?

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Speaker 2: What could it possibly be? Matthew?

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Speaker 1: It's a bonus episode? Oh whoa would you would think

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Speaker 1: they would figure that out because they're listening right now.

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Speaker 1: But what did we do? Well? Ash? We recorded a

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Speaker 1: very first ever live show at the Apple Store in

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Speaker 1: Sydney on George Street. And if you weren't there, shame

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Speaker 1: on you. How dare you?

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time hopefully.

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Speaker 1: But for those of you who are outside of Sydney,

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Speaker 1: the good news is we've packaged it up as a beautiful, sexy,

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Speaker 1: delicious bonus episode.

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Speaker 2: I love the way you said that, Madam was a

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Speaker 2: fun that little ride in the Apple Store, such a

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Speaker 1: You know what My favorite part of the show was

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Speaker 1: when we're walking off and you said, my phone has

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Speaker 1: never been so charged.

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Speaker 2: I loved this. I love I love doing the event

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Speaker 1: And it's a shame that won't make it onto the

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Speaker 1: bonus episode, I was like, I've got to put it

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Speaker 2: Somehow. It was a great lit nugget for me. Actually,

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Speaker 1: So please enjoy our today at Apple event. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Two Dating Dads. I am Maddie Jay, and this

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Speaker 1: is a podcast about her and it is good.

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Speaker 2: It is the bad and the relatable.

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Speaker 1: And we don't give advice, but what we do do.

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Speaker 1: Did you see as you shouldn't say to.

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Speaker 2: A parent, Oh gosh, you got your hands full.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's wrong with your kid, but my

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Speaker 2: When you're pregnant, you announced the sex of your child

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Speaker 2: and they respond, will you try for a boy next time?

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Speaker 1: I'm still pregnant. Much to say, April and teen is

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Speaker 1: great to have you here, ashes out of half. Laura's

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Speaker 2: As she always does, and she's pregnant. Everyone be looking

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Speaker 1: I do have to start this podcast and say, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to two Dotting Dads. I am Maddie Jay and

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Speaker 1: I'm Ash. This is a podcast all about parenting. It

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Speaker 1: is the good, it is.

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Speaker 2: The bad, and the relatable.

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Speaker 1: And this will come as a surprise to no one,

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Speaker 1: But today we will not give any type of advice.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not, no way, No, wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Dare is Angie here? Where's Angie? Angie? Thank you? I

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Speaker 1: just want to say thank you for your support. I

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Speaker 1: saw you doing stories before and I was like, and

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Speaker 1: you you reshuffled? I was saying to Ash, I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, did you I love that?

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Speaker 1: Well? And I'll also say, Elizabeth, I was an interpreter.

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Speaker 1: Who has to say everything that I say? I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: does anyone know the story of how Ash and I met? Anyone? Well,

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Speaker 2: We get this question a lot. How did this all start?

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Speaker 1: So it will those two thousand and twenty two?

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Speaker 2: Whoa that went fast?

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Speaker 1: I've actually got who do you think message? Who first?

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Speaker 2: You definitely messaged will you followed me first? Because April

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Speaker 1: No, you said, I wonder if I could sell my

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Speaker 1: And then and then I got married not long after that,

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Speaker 1: But I didn't invite you to the wedding. I invited

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Speaker 1: I wasn't quite sure where I wanted the relationship to go.

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't tell him because there was no one.

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Speaker 2: Up to one hundred and sixty nine episodes. Let's look

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Speaker 2: It's a young man so much ahead of me, but

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Speaker 1: Got it. Got it, thank you. And this is why

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Speaker 1: Well, I like the efficiency and I said, I'm so sorry,

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Speaker 1: In the back. Well, I was just wanting to do

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Speaker 1: But it was a great morning. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: were out and we were going around this part of

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Speaker 1: the and she was really hugging the curb and I

442
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Speaker 1: was worried about not just the children, but the wheels

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Speaker 1: of the car. It was a newish car and I

444
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Speaker 1: didn't want to scratch the wheels.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to bug your manager's car up.

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Speaker 1: But I didn't want to say anything. I didn't want

447
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Speaker 1: to micromanage.

448
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Speaker 2: That's the point you decided to stop micromanaging.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought there's a limit to everything, and I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say anything. I'm going to let

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Speaker 1: her learn on her own accord and as we were

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Speaker 1: going around a corner seconds away from what it felt

453
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Speaker 1: like was scraping the wheel. Someone in front of us

454
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Speaker 1: was very busy morning was running when to overtake someone

455
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Speaker 1: by stepping onto the road as we were approaching, and

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Speaker 1: I thought to myself, if she doesn't slow down, she's

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Speaker 1: going to hit this person. And I didn't say anything.

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Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. I think I thought she was

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Speaker 1: in control. Next thing, this guy hits the bonnet of

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Speaker 1: the car.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: He flies up. The kids are looking at him. He's

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Speaker 1: looking at the kids.

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Speaker 2: He's got a sun roof too.

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Speaker 1: He lands behind us. She puts the brakes on, and

466
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Speaker 1: then everyone as well walking. They stop as well, witnesses.

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Speaker 1: The witnesses Jesus. I was almost gonna say just keep driving,

468
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Speaker 1: but I didn't. I'm not that kind of person that

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Speaker 1: would be illegal. So I hop out. I look at

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Speaker 1: this guy. He's laying on the road, and I don't

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Speaker 1: say anything, and I'm like, I don't know how to

472
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Speaker 1: approach situation. What do you do? Thankfully, he gets up,

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Speaker 1: he dusts himself off, and he says, I'm sorry, what

474
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Speaker 1: did you say? And I said that's okay. He then

475
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Speaker 1: got up and he ran off.

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Speaker 2: She took off what was probably the heart rate guy.

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Speaker 1: I hop back in the hop back in the car.

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Speaker 1: She's crying. I said, I'll drive. It's fine. And I

479
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Speaker 1: didn't have the heart to fire her on day one

480
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Speaker 1: because I'm a nice guy, so I kept it for

481
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Speaker 1: a week until she admitted that she'd never been a

482
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Speaker 1: babysitter in her life, and she quit on me.

483
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Speaker 2: I know she hit you with a car.

484
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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm staring down the barrel of right now.

485
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Speaker 2: Well, we wish you all the luck with the baby.

486
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Speaker 2: If anyone has a baby they want to recommend for Matt,

487
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Speaker 2: please it would really help us all out.

488
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Speaker 1: Anyone here. We do a segment called pair rants.

489
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Speaker 2: It is one of our favorite segments on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: I named it because it's so clever. It had to

491
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Speaker 2: be me.

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Speaker 1: We don't have the intro song.

493
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Speaker 2: We're not allowed to play the interest song.

494
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Speaker 1: We will sing it. Sing it right now, But a

495
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Speaker 1: pair rant is essentially it's a safe place where parents

496
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Speaker 1: can just vent about all the terrible parts of parenting.

497
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Speaker 2: It's amazing because there's so many terrible parts.

498
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Speaker 1: We all love our kids. We do love our kids, absolutely,

499
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Speaker 1: no question about it. Conditional love.

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Speaker 2: But God keep saying things like that. God, it makes

501
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Speaker 2: it sound worse.

502
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Speaker 1: Is there anyone here is not a parent?

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Speaker 2: Ah?

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Speaker 1: Gosh, it must be nice.

505
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Speaker 2: Do you want a couple of kids?

506
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Speaker 1: But we ask people to submit their pair rants, and

507
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Speaker 1: we've got a couple here that we've Yes, we do.

508
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Speaker 1: I did say they'd be anonymous, but let's read the

509
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Speaker 1: names there.

510
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta get names of shamed here. Okay, I'm

511
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Speaker 2: gonna go first here. And I love it when someone

512
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Speaker 2: sends one in that they're midway through the argument with

513
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Speaker 2: themselves already, and they're like, this is from Libby, and

514
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Speaker 2: she says, try working at a daycare in the baby's room,

515
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Speaker 2: navigating everyone's new routines because of daylight savings.

516
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Speaker 1: I think that was off the back of us slagging

517
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Speaker 1: off daycare or early educated. Sorry, so.

518
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

519
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Speaker 1: This one is from Taylor. She says, is anyone else

520
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: in a narcissistic relationship with the almost four year old?

521
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: We could be having the most loving moment and then

522
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: he'll hurl abuse at me for saying no to a

523
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Speaker 1: third biscuit before dinner because somehow I'm the bad guy.

524
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 2: You are in their mind you're always the bad guy.

525
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 1: This morning, I took Lola riding a bike at the

526
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Speaker 1: park for hours. We were then we got We've got

527
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Speaker 1: Baby Chino's. We got home and she said, can I

528
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: watch TV? I said, not just yet.

529
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Speaker 2: She goes, I hate you, dad, that's fair you show. Actually,

530
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Speaker 2: Matt showed me a video of her riding a bike

531
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Speaker 2: this morning, and she can't ride and talk at the

532
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Speaker 2: same time, so she will talk, ride talk.

533
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Speaker 1: It's exhausting. Its exhausting.

534
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Speaker 2: A long day for you, my friend. This one's from Brody.

535
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 2: My kids are treating my car like a rubbish bin.

536
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Speaker 2: No matter how many times I say, my car.

537
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Speaker 1: Is not a rubbish bin.

538
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 2: According to children, everywhere is a rubbish Everything is a

539
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Speaker 2: rubbish bin.

540
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Speaker 1: Everywhere I know.

541
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Speaker 2: I catch oscar all the time stepping over an old

542
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Speaker 2: yogurt that's on the carpet, and I'm like, wait, pick

543
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: it up, like you get it?

544
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: What is wrong with you? But again, love our kids.

545
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Speaker 1: They are beautiful, the reason we're here. Cherish every moment.

546
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: This is from Melanie. When you order something off the

547
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,959
Speaker 1: kids menu at a restaurant and it comes to the table,

548
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: it's placed in front of the child and it is

549
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: hotter than lava. You then have to sit there for

550
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Speaker 1: the next half an hour with them throwing a tantrill

551
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: because I don't understand why they can't eat their food

552
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: to restaurants do better.

553
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: Excuse me. It's funny because when they put a hot

554
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: plate in front of an adult like that, don't touch

555
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,479
Speaker 2: the plate, and we touch it. What do you think

556
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: of toddler's gonna do? And then they cry.

557
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Speaker 1: It's a whole scene when you get baby Gino's just make.

558
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Speaker 2: All their food lukewarm, lukewarm.

559
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: They don't get it.

560
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Speaker 2: They should. They should pre prepare the kids meals before

561
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Speaker 2: their shifts start and then they'll be ready.

562
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Speaker 1: Just serve its stone cold. Who are we kidding?

563
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: They leave it till it's stone cold anyway.

564
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Speaker 1: But should we do lies?

565
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Speaker 2: We should do some lies. That's an old segment. We

566
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Speaker 2: bring it back here and there. It's got a great

567
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: song too. We sung that one as well.

568
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Speaker 1: I really wish we could see it.

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Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of money for the production,

570
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Speaker 2: but we won't.

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Speaker 1: We won't. A lot of people talk to me and

572
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: say I will never lie to my children.

573
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: That's garbage, idiots. Yeah, we don't mean like big lies,

574
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: like things that are going to impact them that much.

575
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: We're talking about things like the parks closed. Yeah it's not,

576
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 2: but they.

577
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: Just simple, harmless, victimless white lies. Every now and then

578
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: we get to lie like the fire alarms are actually

579
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: Santa Claus watching you, or yeah, and I'm like.

580
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: Oh, this ice cream is spicy.

581
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: That's like a little bit Boiderlin. But most of the time,

582
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Speaker 1: it's just about trying to make sure that our kids.

583
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: We mitigate a meltdown, a tantrum, we try and get

584
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Speaker 1: them to behave And what we do is we share

585
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: these lies with our audience because we're all about helping

586
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: each other build up an arsenal of parenting tips. Yeah

587
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Speaker 1: I know.

588
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: I was like, I went in with a few lies

589
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 2: for this podcast, and now I've got a book full

590
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 2: of them. Oh yeah, And I love the variations from

591
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 2: like the food spicy to like it, oh it's boiling hot,

592
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 2: like anything like that, any variation to throw a kid off.

593
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Speaker 1: I'm all about, I believe anything. This is from Juanna.

594
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: I'll go the first one here. She says, whenever I'm

595
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: eating something and I don't want to share, I tell

596
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: my kids that it's medicine. Unfortunately, these are medicine donuts,

597
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: and the doctor made the medicine in the doughnuts just

598
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: so wul taste it not as bad.

599
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: Genius. I love that the only problem is April and

600
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: I told our kids that the medicine's lolly water, so

601
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: it's sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place. There.

602
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: Give us some of that medicine water again.

603
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm sick. That's a good one. See, food

604
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: variations are great. I love that this is from Daisy.

605
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: This is good. Uh, put your kids show on in

606
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 2: Mandarin and convince them they don't understand the words because

607
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 2: they're too tired. Oscar. The other day, my eldest, he's six,

608
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: he put his favorite show on and he accidentally put

609
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: it on Mandarin and he was like, what the hell

610
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: is going on? Can you understand them? And I was like,

611
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: it must be died.

612
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: This one is from Amy and she says, we put

613
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Speaker 1: his clock forward an hour so he thinks it's later.

614
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: He spent the last twelve months thinking he was going

615
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: to sleep at eight thirty, but really it was just

616
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: seven thirty.

617
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: The time between them getting back from any daycare or

618
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 2: any supervision between then and when they go to bed,

619
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: time stops still. It's like you know when you drive

620
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: on the freeway and there's the servos. Yeah, the time

621
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: just doesn't exist. Yeah, it's the same thing. So putting

622
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: it forward and then also you sort of combating daylight

623
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Speaker 2: savings there genius ever changed the clocks? We use a

624
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 2: bottle of moisturizer as magical cream. Where am I for

625
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: every bump and scratch? Saving is tons on band aids?

626
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: Genius at the moment because Lola, any little bump, regardless

627
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: of whether there's any mark, there's blood, there's anything, She's like, yep,

628
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: another one. And she only wants to have a band

629
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: aid for one day. So after a day she rips

630
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: them off and goes, yep, bring another.

631
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Speaker 2: Band She's making the day with it.

632
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm chaining through band aids right now.

633
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: The stock's going up.

634
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Oh my god, write these down all.

635
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: I don't see anyone writing these days. They're all up here.

636
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: This last one it is from Sam and she says

637
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: the rides at the shopping center only work when it's

638
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: your birthday. So if there are kids writing them, obviously

639
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: it's their birthday.

640
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: I love seeing a parent put their kid on her

641
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: and pay for it, and there's two extra seats and

642
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: they just see me running with my two kids. Quick

643
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: hold on, yeah, but I pay it back. I pay

644
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: for it, I tap it when and then let other

645
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: kids get on. I just send their parents an invoice.

646
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: You're part of the problem. Just collectively agree that those

647
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: rides will never get paid for.

648
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: And the thing is they put a tap on it now. Okay,

649
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 2: they put a tap on it now, So it's like,

650
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: oh sorry, but I don't have any money. It's like

651
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: give us your phone, give you give us.

652
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: If you would like to submit a parenting lie or

653
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: a pair rount, you can of course do that at Hello,

654
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 1: at two doting dance dot com, dot.

655
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: Are you you can, or in our socials you can

656
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: dm us. That'd be great. We love them, we keep them,

657
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: we collect them, and any variation of a lie is great.

658
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Speaker 2: So we love it.

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Speaker 1: But also, if you enjoyed this episode, we would love

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Speaker 1: it because we are actually going to package this up,

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Speaker 1: put it on Apple podcasts.

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Speaker 2: You're all going to be not on it. How does

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Speaker 2: that feel?

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Speaker 1: What are the stars? But if you've enjoyed it, we

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Speaker 1: would love a reviewer. I think we're at seven hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty one. Who's counting. I'd love to get to

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Speaker 1: a thousands. So if there's anyone here who hasn't reviewed,

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Speaker 1: I would love it if you would.

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Speaker 2: April, have you reviewed a good Angie?

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Speaker 1: Have you reviewed Oh My get Out? You've come to

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Speaker 1: our live show before you've done a review.

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Speaker 2: Were you basing your review off this live show? One

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: It's a fuel that keeps us going, it is, for sure.

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Speaker 1: But to anyone here who has been following us for

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Speaker 1: a while, we want to say thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for coming to our first live show. We do record

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Speaker 1: it on the dining room table, and it's just this

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Speaker 1: is weird, and it's weird having people here. Ash I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this idea is just popped in my head.

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Speaker 1: Should we do more than just the one off live show?

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Speaker 1: Is this going to be okay? At Little Mini Tour?

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Speaker 1: Is that TBC okay? So I'm going to carry it away.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: I think I did say buzzing off the live show.

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Speaker 2: Someone asked us that question live and I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know what I'm pulling rank here? Yes, you look

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Speaker 2: at me like.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Don't listen to him, guys, So we

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this episode. A huge thanks to Apple

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Speaker 1: for having us once again, and we would love it

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Speaker 1: if you guys would give us a review on Apple

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Speaker 1: Podcasts of course, just a couple of comments, a couple

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Speaker 1: of stars. We got one actually from the live show.

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Speaker 1: Oh beautiful.

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Speaker 2: What did it say?

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Speaker 1: If you want to know what it says, go read

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Speaker 1: it and then leave a comment.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I'll go and do it right now, and

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Speaker 2: we'll see you guys next week. See you, bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Two Doting Dads podcast acknowledges the traditional custodians of country

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Speaker 1: throughout Australia and the connections to land, see and community.

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Speaker 2: We pay our respects to their elders past and present

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Speaker 2: and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torrestraight Islander

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Speaker 2: peoples today