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Speaker 1: in the Northern Territory, Alex Bruce. Good morning, Good Katie. Alex.

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Speaker 1: You and I have spoken about this on a few occasions. Now, mate,

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Speaker 2: I look this week, every other state or territory except

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Speaker 2: You know, twelve and November you had to have your

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Speaker 2: You know, let them say whether eighteenth or January is

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Speaker 2: Look, more results rolling in, but the stats changing that much.

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Speaker 2: Alex, I do want you go sorry, We've still got

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Speaker 2: But we think that there are other challenges that are

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Speaker 2: going unmet.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a big call. It is a you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a big call to say that. You know that

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Speaker 1: they are sort of trying to get their hands on

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Speaker 1: ice and that it's not actually alcohol that's the endgame

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Speaker 1: for them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you look at the black market price for

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Speaker 2: fly grog and you can see why it's a viable

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Speaker 2: commodity to trade.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, certainly something for us to try and have

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Speaker 1: a bit further look into. I reckon Alex Bruce, the

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Speaker 1: CEO of Hospitality here in the territory, always appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,