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Speaker 1: In some locations, voting has already commenced and the Australian

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Speaker 1: Electoral Commission has begun remote voting across Australia. Now there's

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Speaker 1: going to be sixty teams as I understand, it's set

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Speaker 1: to visit more than seven hundred and fifty locations over

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Speaker 1: the next three weeks. Dozens of voters cast their ballots.

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Speaker 1: Well yesterday in war Im a younger as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: and joining me on the line right now is the member,

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Speaker 1: the federal Member fa Lingari, Marion Scrimjaw, who was there

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Speaker 1: yesterday for the early voting. Good morning to you, Marion.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. How are you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really well? Are you still at whar I'm a younger.

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Speaker 2: Today, I'm I'm I'm still and warm younger. So we'll

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Speaker 2: stay here. So the booth is here for the next

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Speaker 2: three days. It was a bit slow. We had about

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Speaker 2: three twenty three twenty five people come through yesterday. There

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Speaker 2: was a lot of sorry business in the community for

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Speaker 2: you know, because there's been some really tragic deaths over

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Speaker 2: the last couple of days. So that that sort of

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Speaker 1: Marian, are you expecting that things are going to pick

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Speaker 1: up a bit over the next couple of days or

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Speaker 1: do you think everybody realizes that they can turn.

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Speaker 2: Out now to ye, people are coming in. We're seeing

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Speaker 2: a steady stream today, which is what I expected that

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Speaker 2: Yesterday it was slow because they've been a body had

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Speaker 2: been flown out of the island, so there was people

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Speaker 2: a steady stream come through this morning, Katie. And you know,

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Speaker 2: there's about one than one hundred people on the of

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Speaker 2: you know, the enrollment what do you call it, the role. Yes,

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Speaker 2: we're a younger and so three twenties come through. We'll

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Speaker 2: see some this morning. I'd say we've probably had close

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Speaker 2: to one hundred people coming this morning to vote. And

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Speaker 2: I think people will come all day. The polls open

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Speaker 2: up until four o'clock every day, so people are coming.

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Speaker 2: You know, we get that big hit in the morning

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Speaker 2: But in the afternoon people come, particularly a lot of

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Speaker 2: the workers around the community come in the afternoon afterword, Marion.

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Speaker 1: How do you think this is all going to go?

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Speaker 1: Do you think that it's going to get up?

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Speaker 2: Look, Katie, yesterday and again today, there's real optimism and

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Speaker 2: hope in the community and in my home community of

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Speaker 2: we're younger, a lot of people are saying, yes, we've

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Speaker 2: got to make a change. Everyone's saying and we can't

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Speaker 2: keep doing the same, you know, thing over and over

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Speaker 2: and over and expecting a different outcome because it's just

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Speaker 2: not working. You know, there are some people who are

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Speaker 2: saying no as well, because you know they're a bit confused,

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Speaker 2: and that's okay, you know, we're not we're not pushing that.

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Speaker 2: But the majority, I would say nearly eighty percent of

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Speaker 2: about one hundred and ninety five booths across Lingiari and

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get to as many as I can Marion.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think that everybody is hoping that beyond

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Speaker 1: the referendum, things do change, and you know, whether it

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Speaker 1: shines a light on some of the issues that we've

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Speaker 1: got around well, right around Australia, but particularly here in

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen for remote communities beyond the referendum.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think, I think Katie, and I've said this

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Speaker 2: I'm hoping that it will be yes. But regardless of

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Speaker 2: what that vote is, we cannot continue the status quoes.

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Speaker 2: We cannot go back to more of the same of

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Speaker 2: lot of that has to change, Katie. We can't keep

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And look, I think you'd be hard pressed to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Katie, we need to make sure and you know,

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Speaker 2: We've seen this with Lydia Thorpe recently going into you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we all get a big bloody sick

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Speaker 2: we're going to change this by getting our leaders to

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Speaker 1: Has the Prime Minister got a plan if this doesn't

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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things that we've said that no

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Speaker 2: I know that, you know central Australia. When I put

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's got to be some change.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's like it's ordinated.

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Speaker 2: Like Darwin. Well, places like Darlas are under siege and

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Speaker 1: Well, this is the thing you know up here in

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Speaker 2: Yep. And look, I think that you know, the Chief

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Speaker 2: And that's dabbing last week like that was just that's

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Speaker 1: So do you recomman that we need to that we

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Speaker 1: need to have those restrictions where maybe you kin'd of

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Speaker 1: here in Darwin.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that we need to have a lot

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Speaker 2: look at some of the Aboriginal people that don't have

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Speaker 2: a home address like what we do in Alice Springs.

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Speaker 2: If they don't have a home address and they don't

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Speaker 2: have a residency, then they shouldn't have access to alcohol.

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Speaker 2: They I think people have to show where their residency

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Speaker 2: is I think sometimes you've got to be You've got

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Speaker 2: to be tough to be able to start dealing with this. Katie.

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Speaker 2: You know, we can't keep avoiding that alcohol is still

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Speaker 2: the number one issue that is causing the problems on

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Speaker 1: So just so from your perspective, like, how would how

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Speaker 1: would that sort of look? So if you if you're

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Speaker 1: then you can't buy it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that there's got to be a broader discussion,

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Speaker 2: Katie ye with everybody. Like always, I've put this on

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Speaker 2: generate that discussion and the debate because a people will

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Speaker 2: agree it is a major issue and it has to

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Speaker 2: be looked at. We can't ignore it anymore. You know.

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Speaker 2: I know that there was some pain for the Alice

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Speaker 2: to all of the residents of Alice Springs. People have

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Speaker 2: worked with that and the restrictions have then provided respite

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Speaker 2: for the very people who need it now. Ambos, you know,

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Speaker 2: the paramedics that have to deal with this stuff all

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Speaker 2: A and E is under siege, and our plates, some

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Speaker 2: of those flea cells are being used as a sobering upshelter. Like,

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Speaker 2: you know, like we've got to start dealing with this

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Speaker 2: issue in a better way. And it's not about being

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Speaker 2: a racist or you know, like this is, oh, you're

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Speaker 2: only going to target original people. Well, the majority of

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Speaker 2: the problems on the street, unfortunately, are our countrymens. So

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Speaker 2: we've got to deal with it. We can't keep avoiding

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're spot on, Marian. I think you

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent spot on. We can't keep avoiding the issue.

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Speaker 1: And I think that very often what happens is, you know,

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Speaker 1: is we've got some really serious issues that we've got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but most people won't be affected because they've got

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Speaker 2: a house, and people work and they you know, they

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Speaker 2: have a lifestyle. Most people won't be affected by restrictions, Katie.

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Speaker 2: But we've got to make some hard decisions in terms

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Speaker 2: of bumbomb that are creating the problems on the street

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Speaker 2: of Darwin, and we've got to self avoiding this conversation

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Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marian Scrimjaw, I always appreciate your time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for having a chat with us this morning,

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Speaker 1: and no doubt we'll talk to you again, so no

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Speaker 2: Worries, Katie, thank you, thank you,