Speaker 1: How old were you when you started perimedophorse.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I'm not one hundred percent sure. I
Speaker 2: guess I was probably I want to say fifty, but
Speaker 2: it just seems too late. But I it was about
Speaker 2: then that I started getting really sporadic periods.
Speaker 1: So what were like, you're.
Speaker 2: Getting sporadic periods until then.
Speaker 1: So you're in your day to day life, do you notice.
Speaker 3: The symptoms that something in your body's changing or like,
Speaker 3: what did you think was happening?
Speaker 1: What did you feel?
Speaker 2: Well, that was the first sign of it was that
Speaker 2: was my periods were late, and they were then they weren't.
Speaker 2: Then they were you know, early, Then they were heavy,
Speaker 2: then they were they were actually never light, they were
Speaker 2: very heavy because I've always had light periods.
Speaker 1: But that always your periods always.
Speaker 2: Been really light and pretty regular. Yeah, so yeah, it
Speaker 2: was although they were suddenly really heavy, so I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: this is probably the start of it. But to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, that really wasn't happening. And when I
Speaker 2: look back, low was about fifty, So I'm a late bluemer.
Speaker 3: Do you think maybe that has anything to do with
Speaker 3: your gulf and strengthen your regular hormones?
Speaker 1: And things like that.
Speaker 2: I think it could have that part of that. There's
Speaker 2: certainly absolute research to say that women who are moderate
Speaker 2: to high activities will have potentially have lesser symptoms, and
Speaker 2: women who are lower activities potentially will have more higher symptoms.
Speaker 1: Will you getting anything else.
Speaker 2: At that point?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: At that point, no. But then I started getting really
Speaker 2: hot in bed and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I couldn't regulate my temperature. And then I was awake
Speaker 2: a lot at night because of that. Then I was
Speaker 2: just awake a lot at night because of no other
Speaker 2: reason other than just waking up and couldn't get back
Speaker 2: to sleep. And I just really didn't think about menopause
Speaker 2: that much because it just wasn't really top of mind, honestly,
Speaker 2: which I find und astounding, Like I don't know why
Speaker 2: I didn't collate all of that and go, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: this is clearly I'm in menopause.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's cause you feel young still?
Speaker 3: Like, not that you're not young, but do you think
Speaker 3: because I wake up every day I'm maybe thirties, I
Speaker 3: still feel twenty. Do you think it's because you feel like, sure,
Speaker 3: you're not at that point.
Speaker 2: Oh, there might have been a bit of that, you know. Certainly,
Speaker 2: when the periods were going all over the place, I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: this could be the start of the perimenopause. But then
Speaker 2: I kind of just let it go. But then I
Speaker 2: was thinking, oh, I'm not sleeping well. I had a
Speaker 2: lot going on in my private life, so I thought
Speaker 2: maybe that's part of it. Stress, just a bit of stress,
Speaker 2: and just wasn't feeling great within myself. I noticed that
Speaker 2: i'd i'd had a wait, a change in my weight
Speaker 2: and a change in my weight distribution.
Speaker 1: In terms of you put weight on or you'll lose weight.
Speaker 3: I'd put it on and you no reason like feel
Speaker 3: like you're anymore or no.
Speaker 2: But maybe I was, you know, like I look back
Speaker 2: on it all now, and you know, there definitely was
Speaker 2: a bit of a lifestyle change. Wasn't training as much
Speaker 2: as I usually would because I wasn't sleeping well, and
Speaker 2: I just didn't feel like I was a bit flat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And so I went to my doctor about it instead
Speaker 2: of said, oh, you know, not feeling myself, I'm not
Speaker 2: feeling motivated, which is really unlike me.
Speaker 3: Did you feel like feels like when you say flat,
Speaker 3: did you feel like it was like a bit of depression. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you were worried that you might have depression.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. Never thought I was depressed, but I
Speaker 2: didn't feel my normal self. Yeah, and I just couldn't
Speaker 2: quite figure out why, other than the fact that I
Speaker 2: had stuff going on personally that was challenging. So I
Speaker 2: spoke to her about that. We did all I want
Speaker 2: to do a full test of all my bloods hormones,
Speaker 2: and what came back from that was that I suddenly
Speaker 2: had had had high cholesterol, which was like what you've
Speaker 2: never had, never, but my good cholesterol was superior, like
Speaker 2: superiodically high. It was crazy. She said, what why would
Speaker 2: that be? And I said, well, I can only put
Speaker 2: it down. Do I eat a lot of amigasrees and
Speaker 2: lots of sardines and macrawlin like on the on the
Speaker 2: rig three or four times a week. So she's she
Speaker 2: wasn't too concerned about my cholesterol. She said, look, because
Speaker 2: your good cholesterol is so high, I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, But she said, another strange thing that's
Speaker 2: come back is that your vitamin D deficient. And that's
Speaker 2: probably just because of where we live in the Southern Highlands.
Speaker 2: You're not getting outside as much. So just try to
Speaker 2: get out in the sun. And I was like, that's bizarre. Okay,
Speaker 2: so I started taking a supplement for that. Done really odd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then thought, okay, maybe that's why I have
Speaker 3: no energy.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just efficient.
Speaker 2: And then so she prescribed me a new depressants.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So she didn't even click that it could be perimenopause either.
Speaker 2: We didn't discuss it.
Speaker 1: Straight to antidepressants, which.
Speaker 2: I didn't date, you didn't take I didn't want to.
Speaker 3: Interesting that that is the go to and concerning that,
Speaker 3: that's the go.
Speaker 2: To now that I've done all my research, that's a
Speaker 2: relatively common thing to happen women of your age. Yeah, things,
Speaker 2: you know, she's emotional, so does very common.
Speaker 3: Is so depression is a normal part of perimenopause and menopause.
Speaker 2: It can be yeah, because we've got estrogen receptors in
Speaker 2: our brain, so it can change your mood and change
Speaker 2: your you know, levels of anxiety. But it's just interesting
Speaker 2: that you kind of get put into the bucket of
Speaker 2: middle aged woman depression, highly emotional. Yeah, And like I said,
Speaker 2: it's a common thing to occur and just never the
Speaker 2: discussion around. Let's talk about menopause or let's talk about perimenopause.
Speaker 2: And I just think that there's a lot of well,
Speaker 2: I think that there's a lot of mis information out
Speaker 2: there about it, not a lot of discussion about it.
Speaker 2: And I think when there was the big blow up
Speaker 2: of hormone replacement therapy or menopause replacement therapy in two
Speaker 2: thousand and two two thousand and four, that it has
Speaker 2: potential to cause breast cancer, everyone just put the brakes
Speaker 2: on and just said, we're not using it fair enough.
Speaker 3: So have you been managed have you managed to manage
Speaker 3: your symptoms without antidepressants and medication or have your symptoms
Speaker 3: changed at all?
Speaker 1: Or are they the same?
Speaker 2: So I decided I didn't want to do the antidepressants.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I'm not, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: It just didn't feel right, didn't sit well with me
Speaker 2: because I'm not I didn't think I was depressed, but
Speaker 2: I knew that I was flat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there's also a difference between flat and depression,
Speaker 3: like a down day or down time, you know.
Speaker 1: Like a lull.
Speaker 2: So I just have I guess I got to a
Speaker 2: place where I was living at the time where I
Speaker 2: decided I want to move back to Sydney, and I
Speaker 2: knew that was the best thing for me to sort
Speaker 2: of pull me out of what I felt was a
Speaker 2: bit of a funk. I just couldn't get into my
Speaker 2: groove where I was. Came back to Sydney and I thought, right,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get on top of all of this,
Speaker 2: And menopause was kicking around in the back of my mind,
Speaker 2: around potentially doing a program for it. But I wanted
Speaker 2: to get on top of what was going on for me,
Speaker 2: so I went to a doctor here in Sydney. Over
Speaker 2: there in Sydney and I discussed it all again. So
Speaker 2: we went through the whole process again and again the
Speaker 2: same things came up about the higher cholesterol and the
Speaker 2: vitamin D deficiency. And then when I started doing research
Speaker 2: for the menopause method, what came out of the States,
Speaker 2: what information I was getting from America was that this
Speaker 2: was a common trait amongst menopause or women, that they
Speaker 2: were vitamin D deficient, not not like mildly borderline, but
Speaker 2: deficient and their cholesterol had like shot up for no reason,
Speaker 2: like no changes to their to their diet. So it
Speaker 2: was becoming very clear that this is a correlation direct
Speaker 2: correlation to perimenopause, and I was like, okay, this is
Speaker 2: all starting to fall into place. Now.
Speaker 3: Also better to I imagine, it's better to actually just
Speaker 3: have an answer so you can deal with it rather
Speaker 3: than what's going on.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why it's so important to get with a specialist,
Speaker 2: a GP but who specializes in menopause, so that you
Speaker 2: know they've got the information that they consider go yes,
Speaker 2: well this this directly ticks that box, and directly ticks
Speaker 2: that box. It's very different for every woman, Like every
Speaker 2: woman's going to have a different symptom and a different
Speaker 2: severity of that symptom.
Speaker 1: And how long were you've been in periman pause for.
Speaker 2: So in like I said, I think it came. It
Speaker 2: kicked in maybe around forty nine to fifty. And then
Speaker 2: the general rule of thumb is that once you have
Speaker 2: no longer had a period for twelve months, then you
Speaker 2: have moved or transitioned from perimenopause into menopause. So I
Speaker 2: had my last period Easter last year and then figured
Speaker 2: coming into this fig coming into here, I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm there. And then literally within three days of being
Speaker 2: in camp, I got a period. So you got two
Speaker 2: weeks shy of a year which I never had.
Speaker 3: No period for eleven months, came to the eleven and
Speaker 3: a half months came so two weeks shy officially menopause,
Speaker 3: and came yes, which is just.
Speaker 1: The one day I didn't even think that was viron man.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's a new stress on your body
Speaker 3: that you didn't even know.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk to my specialist about it
Speaker 2: because I know that, Oh, I don't know what she's
Speaker 2: going to say. She might go, oh, yeah, but I
Speaker 2: have a feeling she's going to go wow.
Speaker 3: And a bunch of I've always wondered if this was
Speaker 3: real or not. I've always wondered, you know, when women
Speaker 3: are like, oh, we're in sync, Like if your sister's
Speaker 3: getting a period, you get you.
Speaker 1: All your friends. I've always thought that that was like
Speaker 1: a myth.
Speaker 2: But no, it's not like three women. Yeah, there was
Speaker 2: three ladies in you that had their period and then
Speaker 2: suddenly I got my I don't know whether that's part
Speaker 2: of it. I'm dead interested to find out. That's fascinating,
Speaker 2: because I did find that really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So what happens during perimenopause is that your estrogen,
Speaker 2: your progesterone basically start to fall off a cliff and
Speaker 2: these are all the things that keep your you in rhythm.
Speaker 2: There you kind.
Speaker 1: Of blueprint, and so you have to replace those if.
Speaker 2: If you want to go down that option, to explore that,
Speaker 2: whether that's an option for you, you can. And so that's
Speaker 2: what I explored with mine specialist, and we went through
Speaker 2: all my history, my family history, and I took the
Speaker 2: option to have an estrogen patch and a progesterone tablet
Speaker 2: at night because I don't. I'll be straight with you, Britt,
Speaker 2: I don't. I never really have bad symptoms, like not
Speaker 2: like some ladies get. And I think due to the
Speaker 2: research that I've done that's possibly now in my mind,
Speaker 2: due to the fact that I have had a lot
Speaker 2: of activity in my life for all my life, yeah,
Speaker 2: your whole life. So that sort of stood me in goodstead.
Speaker 3: And then what do you notice once you started using
Speaker 3: the patch and taking the tablet that you're symptoms subsided?
Speaker 2: Yes, but it's taken probably three months of being on
Speaker 2: it regularly now, which is unreal. It's a lot. But
Speaker 2: as I was talking to you about estrogen receptors, they're
Speaker 2: in every part of your body, every organ of your body,
Speaker 2: from skin to intestines to brain, like everywhere, which is
Speaker 2: why I was keen if I could to take the
Speaker 2: estrogen and progesterone, because I thought, if I can, and
Speaker 2: I've got no potential history of issues, why wouldn't I,
Speaker 2: You know, why wouldn't I? But I think, and I think,
Speaker 2: we're going back to all of the different organs in
Speaker 2: your body that have estrogen receptors. That's why we get
Speaker 2: so many crazy, whacked out symptoms from all the usual
Speaker 2: culprits of hot flushes and night sweats and sleep disturbances
Speaker 2: and weight distribution around your midline. They're the ones you
Speaker 2: hear about a lot, but they're the ones that you
Speaker 2: don't know about even are the ones such as high
Speaker 2: cholesterol if you haven't had it tested, which can get dangerous.
Speaker 2: Even having more weight around your middle can get dangerous
Speaker 2: for vital organs around your vital organs. And then bone
Speaker 2: density is one that's a mad one. Yeah, like osteoporosis
Speaker 2: or even it's like really opens you up to potential
Speaker 2: injuries in your future, which can be life threatening. Note
Speaker 2: not just stopping you from having independence. They can actually
Speaker 2: be life threatening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and every single woman is going to go through it,
Speaker 3: which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not really spoken about that much. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like I'm.
Speaker 2: Still spoken about because of shame taboo?
Speaker 3: Yes, That's what I wanted to ask you about about
Speaker 3: the feeling of shame, because I think many women and
Speaker 3: women I've spoken to in the past have felt almost embarrassed, yes,
Speaker 3: that they're at that stage of life, because that stage
Speaker 3: of life is associated with a new chapter, and a
Speaker 3: new chapter is associated with getting older and that your
Speaker 3: prime is over.
Speaker 1: Did you feel any of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, we know that that's not true, but so
Speaker 3: many women, once they start having children and getting older,
Speaker 3: they feel like no one sees them anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like they feel invisible. Did you feel like that,
Speaker 1: because that's such.
Speaker 3: A horrible thing for women to feel, and I understand
Speaker 3: why people feel it every year you get older, even
Speaker 3: I feel in my mid thirties, you know, which is crazy,
Speaker 3: but I think.
Speaker 1: That's a societal pressure it is.
Speaker 3: Did you feel like there was any shame attached to
Speaker 3: or did you feel a bit like wow, I mean
Speaker 3: my next chapter.
Speaker 2: I just kind of thought, well, this is that crossroads
Speaker 2: and I'm so freaking not on my watch gon to
Speaker 2: be feeling like I've just been shelved. Yeah, like I've
Speaker 2: got way too much to offer. Well yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I've got I've got so much. I've learned so
Speaker 2: much to be able to pass on.
Speaker 1: And were still fitter than everyone in here.
Speaker 2: You are, what's the alternative? Like you're dead?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Can you understand why people feel bad?
Speaker 2: One hundred? And I work with a lot of women,
Speaker 2: a lot of women in this age category who do
Speaker 2: feel that way, And what happens is, I guess it's
Speaker 2: just a human nature trait is there's a tendency to
Speaker 2: wave the white flag and go all this is just
Speaker 2: where it's at life. And I want to buck that system.
Speaker 2: I want to take menopause and reframe the way we
Speaker 2: think about it, because I think it's been given.
Speaker 3: A bad rat it has one hundred and I think
Speaker 3: even are scared of it.
Speaker 2: Scared of it physic yeah like, And I'm not taking
Speaker 2: it away from ladies symptoms. I know that they can
Speaker 2: be really severe, but I think everything gets nailed on it.
Speaker 2: And I say that because I've now worked with women
Speaker 2: in this category and gone through in a holistic way
Speaker 2: that they've gone to their GP. They've gone and had
Speaker 2: those conversations, They've looked at their options around whether they
Speaker 2: want to go down the hormone replacement therapy or not.
Speaker 2: I've then holistically looked at other things like their lifestyle
Speaker 2: and their lifestyle choices that they're currently making, and whether
Speaker 2: or not they've kind of let their guidelines and parameters
Speaker 2: just slip a little bit on how they take care
Speaker 2: of themselves, which is easy to do when you've got kids,
Speaker 2: older children, older parents, work.
Speaker 1: The husband that.
Speaker 2: Then looked at their nutrition, then looked at their exercise,
Speaker 2: what they're doing, what they're not doing, or how can
Speaker 2: we change it a real holistic way, and they're sleep,
Speaker 2: how they handle their hot flushes if that's what they're having,
Speaker 2: just how they're managing the whole the scope. And I've
Speaker 2: had incredible results firsthand. I've seen it. I've witnessed it.
Speaker 2: I've witnessed it with myself, but I've witnessed it in
Speaker 2: my colleagues. One of my ladies that's been working for
Speaker 2: me within twelve WBT for over ten years, we did
Speaker 2: it with her boom great results. I've now seen it
Speaker 2: on the program, so I think it's great for ladies
Speaker 2: to see that there's still so much potential.
Speaker 3: And there's also something that none of us, literally none
Speaker 3: of us can avoid it, like we are every woman.
Speaker 1: If you are lucky enough to make it to that.
Speaker 2: S if you're lucky enough, if you are lucky enough.
Speaker 3: To get there, it's a right, it's a privilege.
Speaker 1: It's a privilege.
Speaker 3: And I think you're a prime example of a trying
Speaker 3: to take the shame away from it because you're talking
Speaker 3: about it so openly, which is amazing.
Speaker 1: And b it doesn't have to slow you down. Look
Speaker 1: at you find fit in the jungle. Yeah, like fitter
Speaker 1: than anyone else in here.
Speaker 2: So it's I just wanted to like change the lens
Speaker 2: on this time in your life. Yeah, and take it.
Speaker 2: Let's just look at it differently from just a minute, think, okay,
Speaker 2: what about if we put it presented it like, this
Speaker 2: is a crossroads that you're at. This is really a
Speaker 2: great opportunity for you and most women at this age.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm a little bit different because I've got
Speaker 2: a younger son. I started a bit late, but most
Speaker 2: ladies have their kids pretty much grown up sixteen and above.
Speaker 3: Well, how have you found that that's a that's another thing.
Speaker 3: You've got an eight year old, do it change. It's
Speaker 3: the way you're able to be there for him when
Speaker 3: you started feeling those symptoms in terms of, you know,
Speaker 3: because you're a single mother as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was definitely in the back of my mind,
Speaker 2: is that I've got this young son who I want
Speaker 2: to be there for in a vibrant, energetic way. So
Speaker 2: that certainly was a incentive for me to sort of
Speaker 2: get on top of it and understand exactly what's going on.
Speaker 2: But just with regards to to you know, ladies in
Speaker 2: this crossroads or at this crossroads, they've got an opportunity
Speaker 2: to kind of like do a full CEO of their life.
Speaker 2: Many women are, because of menopause, are being taken out
Speaker 2: of the taking themselves out of the workforce. Many women
Speaker 2: because of this are taking themselves out of education. We're
Speaker 2: losing these incredibly talented skill women because of this. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily have to be that way, you know,
Speaker 2: getting down to being the CEO of your own life.
Speaker 2: What's going on. No one's going to do it for you.
Speaker 2: You're going to be the one that has to do
Speaker 2: it for yourself. But again, going back to that holistic approach.
Speaker 2: This is it's an opportunity. Yeah, it's an opportunity.
Speaker 3: And I mean even just the conversation we have the
Speaker 3: other day where you were saying, you know, you feel
Speaker 3: ready to maybe go back in the dating world and
Speaker 3: get back into that world.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But that's a prime example of not changing anything, or
Speaker 3: you're not letting it change anything. You're not letting it
Speaker 3: slow you down, You're not letting it What.
Speaker 2: This thing is like when you get to this age too,
Speaker 2: there's a few Like one of the things is you
Speaker 2: just don't give a shit as much like you. And
Speaker 2: I've heard women in interviews when I was in my thirties,
Speaker 2: I was your age. I'd hear women my age being
Speaker 2: interviewed and they would say stuff like they just really
Speaker 2: don't care what other people think. I mean, obviously they care,
Speaker 2: but they don't care about what others think. And I
Speaker 2: would listen to that and go.
Speaker 3: Really, oh, yeah, so wonderful when actually true.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you. The other thing is you've got so
Speaker 2: much more wisdom. You've been around the block, you've had
Speaker 2: your heart broken a hundred times, You've you've learned the
Speaker 2: l many many, many lessons you've you've got maybe you've
Speaker 2: got some regrets, maybe you've got some things that you'd
Speaker 2: like to change. Like you you've lived alive. So with
Speaker 2: all of that in your back pocket, how cool would
Speaker 2: it be to be a woman with that much maturity
Speaker 2: and still have your as best health as you possibly
Speaker 2: can and some of your best years still and some
Speaker 2: of your best years to come. Yeah, that's why I
Speaker 2: find it really freaking exciting, Like it's sort of moving
Speaker 2: out of ego. M those all those chapters where ego
Speaker 2: is a big driver in your twenties and thirties and
Speaker 2: maybe even a little in your forties when you're the hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle,
Speaker 2: which is what we do. But into this next kind
Speaker 2: of chapter of it's more about internal. It's less about
Speaker 2: external and ego, but more about who you are as
Speaker 2: a person and how you can grow. Yeah, I find
Speaker 2: it very exciting.
Speaker 3: Europe to Yeah, I think a lot of women will
Speaker 3: take a lot from seeing you in here and talking
Speaker 3: about it so openly, because people really aren't.
Speaker 1: So hats off to you. Thanks, yeah, thanks for sharing.
Speaker 2: That's but I had had a chance to talk to
Speaker 2: my thirty something year old self, I would say keep
Speaker 2: up your weight training, yeah, because that will future proof
Speaker 2: you keep your muscle and strengthen your bones. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: like if the foundation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I've been trying to convince my mum to
Speaker 3: do weight training for so like she's in menopause, but she's.
Speaker 1: Like this cute little stick figure.
Speaker 3: She's always been so small, but she's never had to
Speaker 3: work for it.
Speaker 1: She's never done weights.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, she's its sixty four, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you really need to start. It's not too She's like,
Speaker 3: that's too late, Like it's not pick up some hand weights.
Speaker 2: And even those those physiques that have always remained slender,
Speaker 2: doesn't doesn't osteoporosis and arthritis and and all the things
Speaker 2: that could be can be life threatening. Like, oh, there's
Speaker 2: some mad stats about ladies who have an osteoporetic hip
Speaker 2: fracture if unoperated on. Oh there's a percentage that will
Speaker 2: die in the first year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, it's wild, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Old.
Speaker 1: No, there's no such thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, keeping up my weights, I would definitely say, like,
Speaker 2: train not to be skinny, trained to be strong. Yea
Speaker 2: minimalize your processed foods, take them down as much as
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 1: Do you only eat organic?
Speaker 2: No, because it's expensive.
Speaker 1: It's hard, it's too expensive, and.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not convenient, like I'm in the supermarket and
Speaker 2: there is no more organic chicken, or the organic chicken
Speaker 2: is ridiculously expensive or whatever. Yeah, so I don't only
Speaker 2: eat organic, but I do my best. Do you eat
Speaker 2: as little process, minimal process? So I barely would. I
Speaker 2: can't remember. I haven't driven through a drive through in
Speaker 2: I've never driven through a drive through.
Speaker 1: Really you walk through, get those steps up.
Speaker 2: I remember when I was a kid being in the backseat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, you won't. I sort of stay away from
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 3: And so do you have to start again now because
Speaker 3: you've got your period on twelve on the twelfth month,
Speaker 3: you have to start again another month?
Speaker 1: Like, are you expecting to get it again next month?
Speaker 2: I have no clue what to expect. I'm in uncharted
Speaker 2: territory here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be horrible.
Speaker 2: But this thing also too, with very menopause, and like,
Speaker 2: you don't you don't off the hook when you get
Speaker 2: to menopause. You'll still you still will have.
Speaker 1: I think from what I've heard the symptoms get worse.
Speaker 2: They can do yeah or not. If you are attacking
Speaker 2: this in a holistic mannering wave the white flag.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't give on.
Speaker 2: No, you can actually definitely support those symptoms, alleviate many
Speaker 2: of those symptoms if you are prepared to kind of
Speaker 2: take a good holistic approach and be the CEO of
Speaker 2: your own life. It's worth it. And like, I know
Speaker 2: many women who are perimenopause or menopausal who would bite
Speaker 2: the head off a chicken if they thought it would help.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So any woman that's sort of books approaching, like if whatever,
Speaker 2: most women will do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like what we're doing here, would do anything
Speaker 3: for some.
Speaker 2: Food exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I would almost buy the head off a chicken.
Speaker 2: It's true, me too, Thanks lady, Thank you. Don't stop
Speaker 2: your weight training, keep eat your protein.
Speaker 3: Eat protein. Don't be scared to try some treatments.
Speaker 2: Don't go straight to go find yourself a good GP
Speaker 2: that specializes in menopause, and not all of them do.
Speaker 2: Austulasian Menopause Society websites and you can find a register
Speaker 2: of gps who specialize in them. The number one number one.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm afraid of it. It's not.
Speaker 2: And we've been trained by our four sisters to be
Speaker 2: four mothers, to be scared and it's terrible and it's
Speaker 2: a jails and life's over, it's over, and it's bullshit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so young.
Speaker 3: I actually had a friend that went through menopause in
Speaker 3: their late twenties.
Speaker 1: Very early.
Speaker 2: Jesus, that's very Yeah, that it can happen. It can
Speaker 2: also happen due to illness such as cancer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that's rare, but it can happen.
Speaker 2: So your age bracket for menopauses forty five to fifty five,
Speaker 2: and perimenopause can happen from seven between seven to ten
Speaker 2: years prior to that age, so from thirty five from
Speaker 2: potentially potentially could be beginning.
Speaker 1: Which is scary when.
Speaker 3: You're in a position where you haven't had kids yet
Speaker 3: and you think you could be going into perimenopause.
Speaker 1: That's a scary thought. Man, women deal with so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do, but it's knowledge is power. Stick in
Speaker 2: your head in the sand is not going to help.
Speaker 3: Also, why I throw so many eggs and embryos for thatopause.
Speaker 1: I have those.
Speaker 3: You're on the fore foot, I am for sure, no guarantee,
Speaker 3: not a guarantee, but it's like, at least education's power.
Speaker 2: You're not going to let yourself get to that place
Speaker 2: and go, oh what now.
Speaker 3: I just never wanted the choice taken away from me,
Speaker 3: from our bodies, from our biological clocks, because we don't
Speaker 3: have control over it. So, and that's what I say
Speaker 3: to people when they say, oh, should I freeze my
Speaker 3: eggs or should I do embryos? I say, look, it's
Speaker 3: so important. You know, it's not a guarantee. Eggs and
Speaker 3: embryos don't equate to life births. They can and they
Speaker 3: can help you, but it's not a guarantee. But I
Speaker 3: would rather have the option than have no option.
Speaker 2: I use that same statement. I love that you said that.
Speaker 2: Use that same statement with health. Do it while you've
Speaker 2: got the choice, before the choice is removed from you
Speaker 2: and you have no choice. Yeah, like you're now a
Speaker 2: type two diapetic, or you're now going to be on
Speaker 2: high cholesterol tablets. Like, make the choice before it gets
Speaker 2: removed from you. Yeah, so you've still got freedom of choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's a scary thought.
Speaker 3: But like you said before, no one's going to do
Speaker 3: it for you.
Speaker 1: No, you've got to go and do it. I've actually
Speaker 1: encouraged so many.
Speaker 3: Friends in there in you know, all in their thirties,
Speaker 3: to go and freeze their eggs. And it's funny because
Speaker 3: a lot of them say, I don't, I don't. I say,
Speaker 3: just go and get your blood tests and check.
Speaker 1: Your egg county, just to start.
Speaker 3: And I can't believe how many of their responses were
Speaker 3: it's easier not to know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to. I'm not ready to face it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that is the silliest answer you can say,
Speaker 3: because whether you're ready or not, it's coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
Speaker 3: You want to wait another year until you're ready to
Speaker 3: face it might be too late. Yeah, it's hard and
Speaker 3: it's confronting and it's expensive, but yeah, we don't have
Speaker 3: a choice as women.
Speaker 1: Why not? Meanwhile, men firing off that spot like seventies.
Speaker 2: This is interesting. I can imagine if you said to
Speaker 2: a fella, because this is basically what happens with menopause.
Speaker 2: You know, once you hit that, your your overreason no
Speaker 2: longer rolling out that hormonal genetic blueprint. If we said
Speaker 2: to the fella's, look, you know, by that the age
Speaker 2: of fifty one, fifty two, your testicles will pretty much
Speaker 2: shrivel up and stop functioning, and you know you're not
Speaker 2: going to feel like sex and like one, and you'll
Speaker 2: probably have lots of erectile dysfunction issues. But look, don't worry.
Speaker 2: This is just a time of life ten years. Maybe
Speaker 2: go through it gracefully. Just move through it with grace.
Speaker 1: Don't complain, just get it done. Yeah. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: could you imagine that all.
Speaker 2: Of the funding for all of our submarines would be
Speaker 2: suddenly sunk into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no more, no more costs for the political policies, whatever.
Speaker 3: Everything's money going to testical research, from cancer research to
Speaker 3: testical research.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it would be.
Speaker 2: Just moved through that time of life with grace and humility.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's funny because I was about shut the
Speaker 1: hell up.
Speaker 3: I was even talking to Steven and I just the
Speaker 3: conversation was so fascinating. But the conversation for me was
Speaker 3: so different because I'm like, oh, yes, I'm thirty five,
Speaker 3: thirty No, at thirty three, I was like, at thirty three,
Speaker 3: I was freezing my eggs because my fertility is so
Speaker 3: low and I'm on the end of it.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, He's sixty and he's like, oh, I'm thinking of
Speaker 1: having a baby with my own sperm.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man, I'm like, we're so because.
Speaker 3: He can exactly and I was like, just it's so unfair.
Speaker 1: But we can't do anything about it.
Speaker 2: No, there's absolutely nothing. Yeah, we can do about it,
Speaker 2: but we can change our views as a society, and
Speaker 2: that is only going to happen through conversation. That's only
Speaker 2: going to happen through things that surround us, like things
Speaker 2: that we can never stop, like marketing, and you know,
Speaker 2: like now we're seeing ladies with gray hair and looking
Speaker 2: beautiful or in full blown marketing campaigns, which just sort
Speaker 2: of opening the board, opening it a lot to you know,
Speaker 2: if we're still a part of society and we've got
Speaker 2: a lot to offer.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the other thing is that you don't
Speaker 3: really think about. But it's not just important to be
Speaker 3: having these conversations. So other women hear it, but it's
Speaker 3: so men hear it as well. Oh, because then men
Speaker 3: can have a better understanding of what you're actually going through.
Speaker 1: Because then they can help support you.
Speaker 3: If they don't know, they never have any idea what's
Speaker 3: going on in our bodies and the effect ladies.
Speaker 2: If ladies have as minimal information about perimenopause and menopause
Speaker 2: as they do, what do you think men know? And
Speaker 2: yet for a large majority, they're in a relationship with
Speaker 2: a woman who's going to go through it at some point.
Speaker 3: And how many times do you think a man has said,
Speaker 3: stop overreacting, stop being so emotional, stop you're being crazy.
Speaker 2: So was there, Yeah, said a black mama. So when
Speaker 2: we did the menopause method, and I've got all these
Speaker 2: specialists in and interviewed them, like, I learned so much
Speaker 2: it was mind blowing. But I could see those videos
Speaker 2: being watched by my ladies, but also then pulling their
Speaker 2: significant partner in and saying, sit down and watch this
Speaker 2: with me, just so that you can appreciate what's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Even it's the same thing just
Speaker 1: with periods.
Speaker 3: With like even I did three hormone treatments for my
Speaker 3: IVF stuff alone, and then I did one with Ben.
Speaker 3: Ben was there, and even the difference from him actually
Speaker 3: seeing what I was going through and seeing being present
Speaker 3: for the hormonal changes made such a difference because previously
Speaker 3: he wasn't there, so over the phone I'd be talking
Speaker 3: about it or complaining.
Speaker 1: Or whatever if you didn't get it.
Speaker 3: But then once I explained it to him and he
Speaker 3: was injecting, I mean he's physically seeing it.
Speaker 1: He was so good because he was like, Wow, I.
Speaker 3: Can't believe what you have to go through for us
Speaker 3: or for you know that choice isn't even yours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so education is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so paramount. So yeah, I'm not. I'm very
Speaker 2: loud and proud about it because there's just so many,
Speaker 2: so many ladies that are in it. Oh, I wish
Speaker 2: I had the stats on me, but there's like we're
Speaker 2: in if you went global, it's like in the billions.
Speaker 1: Of course people watching right now.
Speaker 3: So many women will be in it right now, especially
Speaker 3: because it goes for so many years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good on you, mischi be. Yeah, it's authentic. When
Speaker 2: I put program together, I thought, well, at least ourt's real.
Speaker 2: It's happening to me, so I might as well get
Speaker 2: it out there.
Speaker 1: And who better to talk about it than someone is actually.
Speaker 2: It's actually going through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah,