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Speaker 1: Oh we're back, baby beautiful. Episode two of this.

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Speaker 2: It's a couple of deals, a couple of bloody dilves,

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Speaker 2: one a dilf to be, one a dilf. Yeah, you're

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Speaker 2: the dilf, Will, I'm a dilf to be and I am,

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Speaker 2: as you know, will, a massive overthinker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there's a whole bunch of questions and queries that

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Speaker 2: I've got about being a dad that I'm too embarrassed

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Speaker 2: to bring up with my obstetrician, my fiancee, or any

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Speaker 2: health professional for that matter. So we provide this safe

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Speaker 2: space here I'm allowed to just sort of release my

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Speaker 2: rather embarrassing concerns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And there's no judgment from you, is there,

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Speaker 1: a big boy? No, no judgment here.

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Speaker 2: And I should preface because just to save you, you are

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Speaker 2: not an expert. No, but your has given me your

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Speaker 2: thoughts because you know you've got eleven weeks on me.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're both sort of airing what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, bloody eeh, bloody, Just a couple of dils

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Speaker 2: doing a bit of airing.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: So now last week we actually didn't get I didn't

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Speaker 2: get through one question, oh yeah, which had a bit

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Speaker 2: of feedback about it, so you know, I'll try and

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Speaker 2: keep things on track a bit more.

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Speaker 3: That's right, because there's a half hour timer that goes off,

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Speaker 3: isn't there. Yeah, there's a bit of an alarm, right, which.

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Speaker 4: We didn't which which cut us off last time, mercifully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I only got halfway through my first question. So I

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Speaker 2: went to a birthing class on the weekend. Six hours

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Speaker 2: of birth in class.

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Speaker 1: Actually loved it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what sort of birth in class did you do?

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Speaker 1: What do you mean what sort? I don't know. I

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Speaker 1: don't think they will.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's different there's all sorts of different methods and

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Speaker 4: stuff that you can learn.

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Speaker 3: You know, we did a hypno birth in class.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't do that. This was I think

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Speaker 1: if you had to categorize it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there's no standard birth, but standard birth

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Speaker 2: in class which sort of canvassed a lot of options, right, could.

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Speaker 1: Do this, could do this? Right, could try that?

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Speaker 3: Very open?

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Speaker 2: How many heat packs should I bring? Where do I

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Speaker 2: put the heat packs? What positions can you be in?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Lots of questions?

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Speaker 1: What can what can I do to be supporting my partner?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: That's sort of that sort of vibe. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: that's what a birthing class entails.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but you asked me what type it was.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you there was that one. It was a

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Speaker 1: birth in class general.

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Speaker 3: How many and how are you going to do it?

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Speaker 4: Just?

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Speaker 3: Was it just like you get them all out in

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Speaker 1: So hard one session. Won't got another birth in class.

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Speaker 2: But we have regular comms with the middle contact ran

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Speaker 2: it Aaron is her name. She's a weapon, real quick

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Speaker 2: one from birth in class. So we were practicing pelvis

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Speaker 2: figure rates, do a bit of that action so effectively

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Speaker 2: mim So my fiance was on all fours and I

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Speaker 2: had to grab onto her pelvis and do figure rates.

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Speaker 2: And this is to combat against the body's natural a response,

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Speaker 2: expand to get the baby's head through.

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Speaker 1: So we're doing these figure eights with the pelvis anyway,

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Speaker 1: got a direction kidding, So how do you feel about that? Like?

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Speaker 2: Is that is that embarrassing that I It's two part question.

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Speaker 2: Is it embarrassing that I got aroused. I don't think

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Speaker 2: anyone else in the class did. There were five couples.

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Speaker 3: Did mim know, yeah, her botty felt it.

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Speaker 1: Oh she was.

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Speaker 3: It was up against your bum. It was you were

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe.

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Speaker 3: Why did you put that there? Use your hands?

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Speaker 1: Well, no I had to. I was using my hands, but.

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Speaker 3: You were using your hands.

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Speaker 2: But if I'm not up against her, then I'm really

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Speaker 1: I don't think you need Maybe they could have been

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Speaker 3: I don't think you needed to rub you.

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Speaker 1: So maybe I was doing it wrong.

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Speaker 3: It's ever happened in an actual birth.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is what I was going to ask you.

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be problematic?

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Speaker 3: If I think so? Do you like when you see

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I almost want to.

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Speaker 1: Chop it off? Bloody hell is?

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Speaker 4: But I never want to end up in these areas ever. Again,

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Speaker 4: May this be the last time we're in this position?

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Speaker 4: Because Quat's it's confronting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I definitely, And I've seen a bit of

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Speaker 1: But still, if I'm doing those pelvis figure eights.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's kind of I mean, like, that's the other

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, again, as we always stress in this podcast,

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Speaker 4: it's horses for courses, right, what works for you?

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Speaker 2: I think it's a pretty weird horse if I'm getting

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Speaker 2: aroused by the birth though, isn't it.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I'm not talking about you know, you get

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Speaker 4: an interaction during a birth and glass.

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Speaker 3: I had to stay on the ground, by the way,

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, how did you manage that?

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Speaker 2: So I was on my knees when I was doing

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Speaker 2: She said, you know, what a good job everyone. Let's

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Speaker 2: move back to a bit of practical. We'll just go

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Speaker 1: And you were just down there. It's like, I just

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Speaker 3: What would you say you were doing?

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Speaker 1: I did know.

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Speaker 2: I just I just stand on my knees for a

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Speaker 1: Nah? But it was it was it was enough for you.

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Speaker 3: You were wearing short you don't wear any jocks as well.

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Speaker 2: Quite often I was wearing underwear, but I was wearing

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm glad I've spoken about it. But that's just

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Speaker 4: Well, it just because when you said, like in the birth, sweet,

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Speaker 3: In classes to one of yours.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you came along to one of ours and we

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Speaker 4: did hypno birthing. And I mean when you hear hit

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Speaker 3: I don't think that they work.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe in them in terms of like if

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Speaker 4: I like it's as you know, it's it's confirmation by it.

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Speaker 4: So if I continue to remind myself of this, when

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Speaker 1: It takes away from the hard work as well, a

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Speaker 2: What's that, well, manifestation takes away from now I actually

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what I mean, I can't.

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Speaker 3: That plays into it a little bit for sure.

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Speaker 4: But what I but obviously hypnosis is effect is effectively

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Speaker 4: So what you're doing is you're kind of like embedding

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Speaker 3: So that stuff so that when the going.

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Speaker 4: those things. Well, she didn't need to think them up.

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Speaker 3: So that's the way that hypno. But that's why he

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Speaker 4: hopefully give you a bit more longevity in terms of

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Speaker 4: the pain that you're going through, so you like, yes,

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Speaker 4: I know, I can feel payment.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that Sam had to a war was.

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Speaker 4: I can do anything for a minute, because contractions would

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Speaker 4: come for a minute, so I can do I can

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Speaker 1: That's when we go to the hospital.

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Speaker 3: I can do one more.

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Speaker 2: Learned that from Oh yeah, when you get a when

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Speaker 3: You had a birth time a time contractions.

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Speaker 1: I don't know there was an app.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was bloody easy either just started get.

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Speaker 1: Good contraction men, really good. We're at forty five.

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Speaker 3: Go on, I sub no he's had an app.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: That's all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just go break it down.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is weird without context, but I was handcuffed

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Speaker 1: She would have told me to get fucked. I've been

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Speaker 2: She was like, right, write a list, and this is

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Speaker 3: You know, you know the things that are canceled.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's nice to be kind of light

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Speaker 3: I'd be like yeah, musically, but you know, do you

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Speaker 4: Know, like I just I'd just be constantly lobbing these

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Speaker 3: Get the hell out of my face.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it was nice to know that

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Speaker 2: Course, but it's good to know, like what to have

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Speaker 1: Where if she gets more anxious if she hears the sound.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, the birth plan that the birth plan is

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Speaker 4: So we have to have that discussion every time. So

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Speaker 4: there's the there's the playlist. Yeah, get with it.

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Speaker 1: Read.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so yours might say, you know, wants to know

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Speaker 3: Yeah, occasionally partner gets erections.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good warning to have. That's a good

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a discreete flag I should give to

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mention it, okay, really okay, Well maybe if.

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Speaker 4: If you're there, m's on all fours and you're there

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Speaker 2: Because I do think it helped too, Like I think

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Speaker 4: I'm sure it did, Sure it did, But I would

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Speaker 2: God, that's a weird that is if I fall aside

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Speaker 4: Did mim mum ask you? Have you had like a

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Speaker 3: And stuff that that'd be a good thing to talk about,

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Speaker 2: I we've we've got we've been seeing the same ob Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh right, yeah, Because the only reason I say that

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Speaker 3: This is dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a beautiful thing.

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Speaker 2: It's like when you go home and you really need

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Speaker 2: Didn't equate that. I equated the oxytocin adrenaline. I was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was a good it was. It was

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Speaker 4: What does SEM need to know? What doesn't SEM need

442
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,520
Speaker 4: to know? And it was nice And you know, Mim

443
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,240
Speaker 4: has the same of trust with you as Semon with me.

444
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:13,280
Speaker 1: It's just old. Listen to get back into figure eights.

445
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 2: I know it's the seventh time he said that he's

446
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,919
Speaker 2: after it. Everyone get out of the room.

447
00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, now let me get to my first question,

448
00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,160
Speaker 4: because we've done it again.

449
00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 1: But this is actually links in beautifully.

450
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 2: So this is that we've talked about birth a bit,

451
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 2: which has been really good, but so straight after.

452
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,879
Speaker 4: The birth, there was a lot I should if we

453
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 4: go on, but I hope, because I hope it's largely

454
00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 4: dad that listen to this, Like.

455
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 1: It's not going to be women.

456
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 2: I think women, if they're wanting to learn something from this,

457
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:50,600
Speaker 2: go to another podcast.

458
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,800
Speaker 4: Yeah stress, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think largely all the

459
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 4: things that you or I will say in here, yeah,

460
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 4: whether you finally entertaining as a woman or not. Hopefully there

461
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,000
Speaker 4: are some dads or young dads or aspiring dads who

462
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 4: are listening to this who can either a empathize or

463
00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 4: be I.

464
00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 2: Don't know, because because all you want to do, if

465
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 2: you're a bloke listening to this right now and all

466
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 2: we want to do now with our current children or

467
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,719
Speaker 2: me with my pregnant partners, be like the best support

468
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 2: person you can be.

469
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 1: But it can be a complicated beast.

470
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get knowing what you definitely do and

471
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 2: what's what's the best thing.

472
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 4: Definitely And I was talking to my psych about this

473
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,119
Speaker 4: the other day, the sense of judgment that you have

474
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,720
Speaker 4: on yourself as as.

475
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 3: Your role, as like what it was your role, and.

476
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 4: Because it's so easy to slip into I mean ultimately,

477
00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 4: and you hear these stories all the time, they're there

478
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 4: as a man.

479
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,320
Speaker 3: Ultimately, if we're really stripping it back, you don't have

480
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 3: to do anything. You can You can go down to

481
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 3: the fucking cafeteria. You can get yourself a coffee and

482
00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 3: you can read the back page of the sport.

483
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: And some do. We've had those calls on this radio.

484
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,840
Speaker 3: Some do, truly, some do. So you've got that option.

485
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 4: But obviously if you you know have if you're in

486
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 4: a relationship with you consider to be a partnership and

487
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 4: you really care for each other. You want your role,

488
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 4: you want to do something. But as you pointed out

489
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 4: just then, it's really hard to find that line where.

490
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,200
Speaker 3: You're actually being useful.

491
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 4: Versus you're being you're overreaching, or you're you're almost being

492
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 4: self serving. You know, it's almost sometimes you can forget

493
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: you know, it's saying we were joking about it before,

494
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 4: I want to try my Robosa massage.

495
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: It's it's not about you. It's like what do they

496
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 3: want and how can I fulfill that role?

497
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: And sometimes it is hard to put because your ego

498
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 2: to an extent away, because you can think that they

499
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,639
Speaker 2: want that yes, because you're like, I've been in the

500
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: classes and I know that this will feel Better's like,

501
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 2: as you said, for suggest it, yeah, I don't want

502
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: to do it.

503
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 1: Just roll with it and move on to what they

504
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 1: really need.

505
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 3: And and and the other.

506
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,440
Speaker 4: Well, the other really tricky part is and this is

507
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 4: when you're you know, at the thin ende of the wedge,

508
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 4: when you're in the in the in the birthing suite

509
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 4: and it's all happening. Is when you feel as if

510
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 4: they're the thing that they want most mm hmm, they

511
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 4: can't have anymore, and you're you're You've got to read

512
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 4: it and go, at what point do I am? I?

513
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,719
Speaker 4: Because it's you, You're the only person that can do it,

514
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 4: And at what point am.

515
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 1: I going to go?

516
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 3: I can handle that to the doctor.

517
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 4: You can try, But I know Sam would defer to

518
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 4: me in that situation, She'd go, what do you think?

519
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 4: And you you need to have a conversation where you go,

520
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 4: I know how bad you wanted this beforehand, and whether

521
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 4: that is did you want to have a home birth?

522
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 4: Did you not want to do drugs? Did you want

523
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 4: to avoid an epidural? Did you not want to have

524
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 4: a cesarean? Whatever that is? Did you did you want

525
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 4: to avoid induction? All of those different things that women

526
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 4: can want in a plan before birth, or that you

527
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 4: can want as a partnership before birth. You have to

528
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 4: be open to the fact that any one of those

529
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 4: things can happen. It's a birth, like anything can happen.

530
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 4: So at what point do you have to let the

531
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 4: other person down?

532
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 3: And and like how how you go about that?

533
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: Is it's a hard I mean, ultimately, the safety of

534
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,719
Speaker 4: the baby will always come first, so that kind of

535
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 4: smashes through it. Yeah, but it is a it's a

536
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 4: it's a tricky it's a tricky conversation. Yeah, you constantly.

537
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 4: I feel like I was constantly negotiating in birth class.

538
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 4: Oh we didn't get that, and as you know, I'm

539
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 4: just not allowed to talk about what happened in our birth.

540
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 4: It was very it was very traumatic, put it that way.

541
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 4: And we went for a long time and ended up

542
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 4: in exactly the opposite that we wanted it to end

543
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 4: up in. But I felt like I was just negotiating

544
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 4: the whole time. As Keanu Reeves says in The Replacements,

545
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 4: So quicksand.

546
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: You know, ah, yeah, one.

547
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 4: Thing goes wrong and then the other thing goes wrong

548
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 4: or I don't I'm wrong. It just didn't go the

549
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 4: way expect. Didn't go to the way expect didn't expect.

550
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 4: And you're constantly just like you're in quicksand you're just

551
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 4: constantly fighting, but you're sinking.

552
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and.

553
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 4: That that you know, that can have a nice first

554
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 4: so but you've got to play that role where you're

555
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: kind of the support but also the person to let

556
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 4: her down, which is a shocking place to be.

557
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: But I think what I'm taking from that though, is

558
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 2: I want to have that chat with Mim though, so

559
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: if this happens, we.

560
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: Can war game it.

561
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you wore game it.

562
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah it happens. How do we want to do?

563
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 3: Flow chart?

564
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: If this happens, how do you want to do?

565
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you do it on the spot. I found

566
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: like the clock really helpful as well. I'd be like,

567
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: you know what if we're still in the.

568
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 4: Same situation now, yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have another chat

569
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: about it then.

570
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

571
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 3: If not, let's get those figure outs going.

572
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: Baby, what do you keep saying?

573
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 2: They work a real treat? You mentioned shower before. This

574
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 2: isn't my question, but I have thought this before. So

575
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: something that Mim and I have talked about is she

576
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: was like, if I because she loves being the shower

577
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,160
Speaker 2: when she's really hungover, she.

578
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: Lies down in the shower.

579
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's shocking for water wastage, but that's just

580
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: what she needs.

581
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: She needs to lie down in the shower.

582
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so she it's a winner.

583
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: She suspects that she's going to spend a long time

584
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: in the shower during the birth.

585
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, have you got a bath?

586
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: Have you got you've got a bath in the suite.

587
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: If they've got an option, I don't know. She's not

588
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: so much a bath person.

589
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: She actually had a bath two nights ago, which she

590
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 2: said was really good, but generally speaking she doesn't like baths.

591
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: She prefers shower. Yeah.

592
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: Well, as we always says horses of course. Yeah, but

593
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 4: the water things is amazing how that works. I still

594
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 4: remember Seem got in the shower and she was like,

595
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: oh yeah, she took the tens machine off.

596
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: She was like she don't even know.

597
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 4: Oh wow, the only two natural remedies to birth pain

598
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 4: and movement and water.

599
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: Did you buy the tens machineer?

600
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 3: Did you high waied it?

601
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: So I can't borrow yours? I got the legs around

602
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: the back.

603
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 3: Tens Australia.

604
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so that was that was pretty good

605
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: quoal Yeah, it was good because I was just worried

606
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: about you know, when you say you have a scratch

607
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 2: on the d v D and you'd be like, I

608
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: didn't rewind.

609
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: It, like I don't want to get to the berth

610
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: and go.

611
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: Were saying that a couple of fresh fresh strips.

612
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 4: If for those listening you don't know what it is there,

613
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: it's a it's like it's a they're like pads that

614
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 4: you put on your on your body and then there

615
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: on your lower back, either side of your spine, and

616
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 4: then they emit an electric pulse through your back that

617
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 4: you press down men of the contraction.

618
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: And it confuses the neural pathway, does it really? It

619
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: makes it wobbly? Oh right, so pain is just a

620
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: neural path Yeah right, it just confuses it.

621
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: So every dural blocks it, yep, literally doesn't get through

622
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 2: tens machine makes it wobbling. Right, It's like a bit

623
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: confused as to what is being sentered.

624
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: I that's I.

625
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 4: I would recommend putting trying one. Trying to put one

626
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: on before because I was in a lot of pain

627
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 4: and I was like, all right, what are we thinking?

628
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 4: She was like tense machine and I was like, beautiful,

629
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 4: open the box and I was like.

630
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, there's a lot going on here. She was

631
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: like what's going on?

632
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know.

633
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: And you've got these like strips that you're trying to

634
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 4: pull back. But you'll be fine because you've got a

635
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: sexual tension lover, and that it's exactly set up exactly

636
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 4: the same.

637
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: Way, and there's the alarm. Actually might be one thing

638
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm quite good at.

639
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 2: Alrighty Once again I did not get to my first question,

640
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: but really good one on birth. I'd say, if we

641
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: had to retrospectively explain the theme, what did you just

642
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: pull out your fans.

643
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 3: As a dog shit bagh?

644
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: Your life, your life, it's either a nappy or a

645
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: dog shit bag if there was, If I could retrospectively,

646
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 2: so what the theme was?

647
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: I think it was birth.

648
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: So if you're, as you said before, if you're a

649
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 2: partner going into a berth, that'd be a good listen.

650
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe who knows.

651
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 4: Again, I can only relay my experience and you can

652
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: only you can only bring.

653
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: To the for your fears.

654
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, which today was like an erection of the birthday.

655
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 3: That was the whole bit.

656
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 4: Rewinded back to its inception.

657
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, sorry real cook before we finished, did you

658
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: get naked in the shower with Sam when.

659
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: She was okay?

660
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: I just left her alone.

661
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: You didn't get in the shower at all. No, I

662
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: just left her alone because men brought up she wants

663
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: me in there?

664
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you could definitely do it.

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Speaker 4: I mean you can, you can if I obviously offered,

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Speaker 4: but she wanted to. Yeah, I mean we're going with

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Speaker 4: the podcast over mate, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Because because I know, because the midwife also was running

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Speaker 2: the birth in class. We're talking about nudity in the room.

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Speaker 1: You because you're in the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, Look, midwives aren't expecting to walk in

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Speaker 2: the room.

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Speaker 1: And see ye speed I think speedos is probably a

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Speaker 1: good idea.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't be nerdy this year.

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Speaker 1: I just thought to be really.

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Speaker 2: Nice though, to be naked to get I don't make

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Speaker 2: her feel more comfortable if I'm naked as well.

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Speaker 1: That was going on in my head.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, air in the midwife was just like the

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Speaker 2: midwives don't anything seen. They're trying to get fair enough,

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Speaker 2: fair enough packed some speedos good