1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Jersey and Amanda jam Nation. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Well, no denying the pressures on the Prime Minister. Over 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks, early voting has opened for 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: the Voice. I think it closes at six o'clock tonight, 5 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 2: actually giving us the chance to vote in one of 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: the biggest and most important referendums in our country's history. Also, 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 2: the government's trying to use the biggest cost of living 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: pressure Australian has seen in decades. For updates on both 9 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 2: these things, Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi. 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: Hello, good a good to be with you, Great to 11 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: talk to you again. 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 2: So apparently there's it close at six o'clock tonight, our 13 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: chance to early vote no No. 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: Every day between now and October fourteen, there's early voting. 15 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: People can just log on to the AEC website AC 16 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: dot dot au and there's a little button you can 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 1: press on find your early voting booth and you can 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: press on that, put in your suburb and it'll pop 19 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: up where you can vote. 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 3: We've been on the journey with this with you from 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 3: the get go, and my stance hasn't changed on the 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 3: how I'm voting, and I am voting yes, and I've 23 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: read everything that there is about it. 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 4: I've read the whole every part of read what no 25 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: argument is, what the yes argument is, But still in 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 4: my mind there's no argument. 27 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 3: It's just to me, it feels like it just should 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 3: be yes. 29 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 4: And I did a bit of and I know you've 30 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 4: banged on about this air bit Albo, but since nineteen 31 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 4: seventy three we've had seven advisory boards from various governments, 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 4: from liberal and labor. And each time a new government 33 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 4: gets in, they get rid of the advisory board and 34 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 4: they start all over again. 35 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: That's what the wasted. 36 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 4: And then I'm thinking, well, the hang on in this 37 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 4: constitution which says a voice Aboriginal and Torren's straight island 38 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 4: of voice. This voice may make representations to the Parliament 39 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: on matters relating to Aboriginal and tyres Strait island of 40 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 4: people's may. 41 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 3: It's not will. It's may. 42 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 4: I don't understand why people aren't understanding this may. It 43 00:01:58,800 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: may is not will. 44 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and that's one of the changes that 45 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: were made from the draft wording to make it very 46 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 1: clear that there's no compulsion here. And when you read 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: that together with the next clause that says the Parliament 48 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: shall make laws relating to the Aboriginal tyrestrad is lander voice, 49 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: including that's an important word as well, including composition procedures, etc. 50 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: What that is doing is making it very clear the 51 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: primacy of the parliament, so all the people being asked 52 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: to vote for. Here is two things. One to recognize 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: a fact. It is a fact that there were people 54 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: here before seventeen eighty eight, and that should be a 55 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: source of pride for our nation that we have the 56 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: oldest continuous culture on earth right here that we share 57 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: this continent with. So that's just a fact. And the 58 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 1: second thing is a non binding advisory committee that may 59 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: give advice on matters that effect indigenous people. And why 60 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: would you want to do that because you get better 61 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: outcomes when you listen to people who are actually directly 62 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: affected by it. It's as simple as that, that's all 63 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: it is. It won't change the way that our parliament 64 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: functions or laws are made. That will still be up 65 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: to the government of the day. And that's why this 66 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: is such a gracious and generous request that has come 67 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: from Aboriginal people themselves. Met at Ularu in twenty seventeen 68 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: and said, you know what, the form of advice the 69 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: form of constitutional recognition that we want as one that 70 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: has a bit of substance and something that lasts, which 71 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: is give us a body that may be able to 72 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: give that advice. 73 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 3: And one that's not going to be changed to listen 74 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: to it or not, but. 75 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: Also one that's not going to be changed every four 76 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 4: years when a government changes. 77 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: Well, that that's right, and that's why they want that 78 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: security of enshrinment in the constitution. And at the end 79 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: of the day, both sides of politics are saying they 80 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: support constitutional recognition. Both sides are saying that they want 81 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: a legislated voice. The Liberal Party says that they're going 82 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: to do that. That's the policy that they've adopted for 83 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: a long period of time. The only difference and all 84 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: of the noise that's out there is about whether the 85 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: voice can be abolished or not. And Indigenous people are saying, 86 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: we want the security of not putting in all this 87 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: effort to create a body and to have that continuity 88 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: just to have someone come along and say for whatever reason. 89 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: People like Pauline Hanson of course, would want it abolished 90 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: at any time, and we want that security. It can 91 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: be changed, its composition and what it does but there 92 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: has to be an advisory body. It's just a recognition 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: of Indigenous Australians. Other countries have had indigenous seats. There 94 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,720 Speaker 1: are seats reserved for Maury's in New Zealand. So this 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: is a really modest request. That's why I sincerely hope 96 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: that in the last eleven days that we have to go, 97 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: people have a read of the question and decide, you 98 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: know what, this is the right thing to do. I'm 99 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: going to vote yes. 100 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: Nathan Cleary, straight up to winning the Grand Final released 101 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: a clip that said no voice, no choice, Come on Australia, 102 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: vote yes. What impact do you think that might have? 103 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think if you look at Nathan Cleary, all 104 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: of the sporting codes have all been endorsed. Yes, but 105 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: the NRL, the AFL, Basketball Australia, Netball, Football Australia, Rugby union, 106 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: Tennis Australia. Why they know that. The way that those 107 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: codes have worked is that they've got better relations when 108 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: they've actually spoken to Indigenous people. So we've seen the 109 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: rise of things like the All Stars Game at the 110 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: beginning of a season. It's fantastic. So whether it's people 111 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: like Nathan Cleary who has put out such a strong statement, 112 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: whether it be Indigenous athletes like Latrell Mitchell and Cody 113 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: Walker and Jonathan Thurston, and in AFL people like Eddie 114 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: Betts and Adam Goods greg Inglis have all come out 115 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: and very strongly supported the S campaign. And I just 116 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: hope that people, particularly one of the things we're seeing 117 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: with people like Nathan as well is that younger people 118 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: are really motified by this. And I know that lots 119 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: of people of Spokan said while we're having a I 120 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: didn't realize that we didn't recognize Indigenous people in our constitution, 121 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: which of course is something it should have happened in 122 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: nine and oh one. But at that time, of course, 123 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: we had some pretty bad policies towards Aboriginal Australians and 124 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: that's why this is really a catch up. Every other 125 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,239 Speaker 1: country in the world has recognized its first people's except 126 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: for Australia. 127 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 4: And you know me, I'm not a labor guy. I'm 128 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 4: not a labor voter, I'm not a Wokie, I'm not 129 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 4: a lefty, I'm not an elite. I'm an Aussie. The 130 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 4: ones a fair go. 131 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 3: I get it. 132 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 4: I totally get this, and I just don't. And the 133 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: word may it's not real. It's may, it's not And. 134 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: If you're a white Australian, I just say this, if 135 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: you're a white Australian, you're losing nothing. 136 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 3: You're losing nothing, you know exactly. 137 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: There's everything to gain here. It's like before the marriage 138 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: equality vote, there was a view from some saying, oh, 139 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I would ruin existing marriages. You know, people will be 140 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: married marrying harbor bridges and all this to it just 141 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: gave a group of people right they didn't have and 142 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: didn't impact others except that we feel better about ourselves 143 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: when we're more inclusive. So yes, this is about respect 144 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: for Indigenous Australians, but we'll also just feel better about 145 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: ourselves as a country. And as a country we've always 146 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: got to look at enlarging ourselves. We can't shrink in 147 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: on ourselves. And that's what a no vote will be. 148 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: A no vote leads us nowhere, it's more of the same. 149 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: We're living in no right now. There's an eight year 150 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: life expectancy gap. 151 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and also a no victory it just sounds hollow 152 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: you kind of and celebrate a no victory. 153 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: Well, it's such easier, it's such a kick to our 154 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: psycho Australia. 155 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: If you know it up, it's well know is now 156 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: we're living in no and having an advisory group. Never 157 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: heard anyone there is as in the downside, and the 158 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: only power we'll have, of course, there's a power of 159 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: its ideas. If it has a good idea, it'll be 160 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: atop to by government. 161 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 3: Yep. 162 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: If it doesn't, well it won't ye. 163 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 3: So for example, I want to marry the harbor breach. 164 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: I want to marry the harbor breed. 165 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 3: Notice lately it's been looking at me, so obviously that's 166 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: not a good idea. 167 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 2: Winking eye on the top. 168 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 3: It's always always winking at me. Prime Minister always had 169 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: the Alban easy. Thank you for joining us. 170 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for having us on the program, and have a 171 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: wonderful day. 172 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Thank you your listeners.